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     zadieboy New member Username: zadieboy Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.134.216.5 |
Another lawsuit was recently filed in Indianapolis, Indiana and the Every Nation Cult and it's former pastor, Dave Jamerson are two of the defendants. I know someone who has been seriously harmed by the actions of this cult and it's leadership.}}} | ||
| lc_20 New member Username: lc_20 Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.71 |
zadieboy, Sorry to hear this. Your friend is in my prayers. | ||
| ulyankee Junior Member Username: ulyankee Post Number: 50 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 74.234.123.130 |
zadieboy, can you say where it was filed? Local, state, or federal court? | ||
| ginger1 Member Username: ginger1 Post Number: 68 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.36.209.170 |
Hmm this would be interesting, Geez and this place is closing down. | ||
| zadieboy New member Username: zadieboy Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.134.216.5 |
Yes, it was filed in federal court in Indianapolis. You can view it at truthinternationalinc.com I think. More will be revealed. | ||
| zadieboy New member Username: zadieboy Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.134.216.5 |
Suggestion...... I don't think this F.A.C.T.net site should close. I believe that soon it may be one of the informational posts where people can find helpful information about places like the Every Nation Cult. I'm all for Jesus and saved but He didn't say I needed to be a professional athlete to be saved. My experience with this cult is that if God's people are to be light to a dying world, it might be just about time we took a stand for HIs truth, His light, His way. The first time I attended an Every Nation Church my spirit was uncomfortable. God wins. All the time.... | ||
| ulyankee Member Username: ulyankee Post Number: 51 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 74.234.123.130 |
OK, thanks so much. I have a PACER account and will see if I can access case files that way. Ginger, if FACTNet goes down I'll keep in touch off list or over on the new forum. | ||
| coppertree Member Username: coppertree Post Number: 56 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 172.166.38.44 |
Hi All Ul what is the new forum ?} | ||
| j2theperson Member Username: j2theperson Post Number: 61 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.27.68.96 |
Coppertree, you can check out the new forum here. | ||
| zadieboy New member Username: zadieboy Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.134.216.5 |
The plaintiff who filed that lawsuit is on a mission. We each should have one. I think it's personal with this plaintiff. I know he appreciates the prayers too. The cult seems to have forgotten, "Unto the least of these...." He in me> he in world | ||
| ulyankee Member Username: ulyankee Post Number: 52 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 74.234.123.130 |
http://thecuckoosnest.free-forums.org BTW, I found the case info: DURHAM v. EVERY NATIONS CHURCH et al, filed in Indiana Southern District Court on May 25 of this year. Named defendants include both corporate entities (EN) and individuals (Jamerson, Murrell). | ||
| zadieboy New member Username: zadieboy Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.134.216.5 |
As I understand it there is a website being built right now. The lawsuit was filed pro se I noted. I understand the Plaintiff to be seeking counsel. Anyone harmed by the Every Nation Cult might want to pay attention. I understand Fox news has made inquiries as there are several Colts football players attending the Indy location. Sadly, a world class football team like the Colts have even been invaded by Every Nation. | ||
| ulyankee Member Username: ulyankee Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 74.234.123.130 |
The complaint can be found here. | ||
| ulyankee Member Username: ulyankee Post Number: 54 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 74.234.123.130 |
zadieboy, thanks so much for the info. Yes, I would strongly advise seeking counsel. That's also an awful lot of personal information posted on that website, esp. attached to the complaint alone. I know it's technically public record but otherwise the only way someone could get a hold of that information is by requesting it directly from the court or through PACER. Is your friend aware of the lawsuit in Nashville, which was eventually settled out of court and the case files sealed? I would be cautious. But I also recognize things in the complaint that others have discussed going back to Maranatha days, including where pastors become the arbiter of who marries and who doesn't (what was once known as the "no dating revelation"), "inner healing and deliverance," and of course all the financial issues. The plaintiff essentially makes the same assertion I have made about why EN targets pro athletes... they are/were key to its funding strategy. | ||
| ginger1 Member Username: ginger1 Post Number: 69 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.36.209.170 |
well zafieboy, this is my email address. Anniegrey@msn.com . also do visit the new forum , and post it there too. I am very interested that Murrell is one of the defendants. | ||
| coppertree Member Username: coppertree Post Number: 57 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 172.166.38.44 |
Hi Zadie boy, Thank you for this day , last hello to us, we needed to know that we were making a difference, you and your friend will also. Hopefully some here will se and pray fro you, others have been successful, hopefully your friend will not be pro se, for long .We will pray, let us know. Perhaps by your web site. Thank you for posting.} | ||
| 40days40years Intermediate Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 307 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.54.154.113 |
I don't know I think this guy might be SOL. Nobody forced him to spend all this money on his fiance. Most of him wanting his money back falls under civil junk not dealing with EN. I guess the guy could say that EN caused alienation of affections by the use of faulty marrigage counseling practices and revealing private stuff ? The ex fiance may have had a protective father who was an ex cop who was on the Highway patrol board it appears but I am lousy at reading legalese. It sounds like they are alledging he may have connections into the court system but that is speculation on my part just reading this junk. This guys best bet is to go after the entire Highway Patrol and Court system for abuse of authority under the color of law. I bet EN gets off the hook on this one. | ||
| zadieboy New member Username: zadieboy Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.134.216.5 |
Every Nation is in part responsible and liable due to the actions of one Dave Jamerson. he was listed as a witness for the prosecution. Apparently he never testified as the local Indy cult chapter spent money preventing him from doing so. He couldn't testify to much except that he said, "God was in this" during the pre-marital counseling. I bet the guy's grateful he didn't marry that one. Sounds troubled. Sadly, Every Nation may still be under some illusion it's doing the work of the Lord. Last I checked, "God was love." The best thing that has happened to the legal profession in some time was Mike Nifong being disbarred. Sounds like Carl Brizzi is another Mike Nifong to me. Equally important are the many others harmed by cult's like Every Nation. | ||
| zadieboy New member Username: zadieboy Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.134.216.5 |
It is not an easy thing to embrace ugliness with the sole motive of hope that in some way a transformation might occur thereby. But the myth of kissed frogs turning into princes remains. Yet how does kissing the frog turn it into a prince? How does the methodology of love work? How does it heal? I don't know exactly. I don't know because love can work in many ways, and none of them are predictable. I know that the first task of love is self-purification. When one has purified oneself, by the grace of God, to the point at which one can truly love one's enemies, a beautiful thing happens. It is as if the boundaries of the soul become so clean as to be transparent, and a unique light shines forth from the individual. The effect of this light varies. Some on their way toward holiness will move swiftly by its encouragement. Others, on their way toward evil, when encountering this light will be moved to change their direction. The bearer of the light (who is but a vehicle for it; is the light of God) most often will be unaware of these effects. Finally, those who hate the light will attack it. Yet, it is as if their evil actions are taken into the light and consumed. The malignant energy is thereby wasted, contained and neutralized. The process may be painful to the bearer of the light, occasionally even fatal. This does not, however, signify the success of evil. Rather it backfires. " It was evil that raised Christ to the cross, thereby enabling us to see Him from afar." "There are dozens of ways to deal with evil and several ways to conquer it. All of them are facets of the truth that the only way to conquer evil is to let it be smothered within a willing, living human being. When it is absorbed like blood in a sponge or a spear into one's heart, it loses its power and goes no further. " The healing of evil-scientifically or otherwise-can be accomplished only by the love of individuals. A willing sacrifice is required. The individual healer must allow his or her own soul to become the battleground. He or she must sacrificially absorb the evil. Then what prevents the destruction of that soul? If one takes the evil into one's heart, like a spear, how can one's goodness still survive? Even if the evil is vanquished thereby, will not the good be also? What will have been achieved beyond some meaningless trade-off? I cannot answer this in a language other than mystical. I can say only that there is a mysterious alchemy whereby the victim becomes the victor. As C.S. Lewis wrote: " When a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards." I do not know how this occurs. But I know that it does. I know that good people can deliberately allow themselves to be pierced by the evil of others- to be broken thereby yet somehow not broken- to even be killed in some sense and yet still survive and not succumb. Whenever this happens there is a slight shift in the balance of power in the world... Trust God} | ||
| ginger1 Member Username: ginger1 Post Number: 72 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.36.209.170 |
I agree with Zadieboy, all of this would not have happened till Jamerson step in and meddle. As a pastor he should not have said anything to the girl. The man is not a pervert nor a sexual predator nor came from prison. I have met people who are young christian, struggles with masturbation. Men and Women. Its a common problem and it should not have cause on any alarm. I have counseled a few people about this. Usually this thing goes away once they got married. But there are a few who even are already married are having problems, then thats when the alarm should go off. But when single, thats a normal problem. It look like Jamerson has a "religious" problem . Good thing Durham did not marry her though, now knowing she is a religious freak like Jamerson. | ||
| osakadan Junior Member Username: osakadan Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 58.188.184.251 |
Lets be blunt...for men at least, wet dreams are a part of a mans life. They have even happened to me in my forties. With that in mind I don't believe that maasturbation per se is the worst thing in the world. It is a natural release along the line of wet dreams. Saying that, I do believe excessive masturbation can be a problem and overrun a person:s life...Not a christian here but have yet to be convinced that unless it is excessive that you will go blind. | ||
| zadieboy New member Username: zadieboy Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.134.216.5 |
Plaintiff Durham had no problem with masturbation or lust as I read the lawsuit. Sounds like he was there for the pre-marital counseling. Sounded to me like Jamerson volunteered the extra information about his own life. Too much information I think. I know someone who has been through this kind of malicious prosecution. Very Nifongish I think. Nifongish; new word for Wickapedia. This Every Nation Cult is an organization where professional athletes contribute their six figure salaries to the benefit of the leaders and unfortunately, many times, to the detriment of the litttle folks who are under the illusion they wil somehow have an experience with God. Doesn't sound like a message I would want to go to every nation with. | ||
| ginger1 Member Username: ginger1 Post Number: 73 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.36.209.170 |
well, that is true that Durham did lose a lot of money. It is a common knowledge that EN practice is to suck the preson dry financially. But why sue the church ? I would understand if he sued the girl , I heard this type of case before where the girl would back off at the last minute and the judge did has always awarded it to the Plaintiff , for all the money he spend. What happened to the ring though ? I know the judge would rule either give the girl the ring and have her pay the $16,000 or give the ring back to the plaintiff. Durham has to prove that everything he did for the girl is a loan and not a gift. Because when it is a gift, he loses. But if this is because she promised to marry him thats why all the gift, then it can go both ways. Sometimes the Plaintiff loses or the Defendant loses. Does Durham have proof that Jamerson has any malicous intent during marriage counseling ? | ||
| maranatha1984 Junior Member Username: maranatha1984 Post Number: 31 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 12.96.65.83 |
Zadie:He didn't say I needed to be a professional athlete to be saved Tikie: Here Here Zadie- nor did He say you had to be a "Champ" or Good looking, or a "Mighty Man of God", nor does He say one must give MONEY (check out the widows might)- nor does He call on His followers to live an ostentatious lifestyle on the back of the poor people sending money in... | ||
| maranatha1984 Junior Member Username: maranatha1984 Post Number: 32 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 12.96.65.83 |
Well...having read the lawsuit- I don't think there is case against EN though the charge be true...I will say this that the charges against EN read EXACTLY how I would frame my feelings in 1983 about MCM though- it is amazing how what this guy went through was so different yet so similar to my own experience some 23 years ago | ||
| robert_unknown Intermediate Member Username: robert_unknown Post Number: 165 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 80.109.163.152 |
nearly EVERY man has a "problem" with lust. why? because its in our DNA: men start to get hot when they see beatifull girls! its as simply as this! and we do live in a world that uses the mechanics of male lust to reach its goals (ie: commercials, advertizing, etc...) if a man tells me that he "has overcome lust 100%", then i do not believe him. lust is mans nature. to controle lust is one of a mans highest tasks. the problem with groups like EN is, that they do KNOW that nearly everyon christian male is concerned about "the beast within" and wants to overcome this... therefore they offer "victory weekends" and other things (disciple groups) where they adress this issue. BUT: a short prayer will not help to overcome. nor will a hootah session help. we need to overcome the flesh daily. their are no shortcuts. instead of helping a meeting that goes down to this level of intimacy (where people "confess" their lust "problems") opens the door for manipulation and abuse. often these confessions are used against people like it has obviosly been in this case (if it all is true). i can only say one thing: PEOPLE - do NOT trust pastors, cellgroup leaders, ministers with this issue. why? because they CANNOT help you! some of them have the same or worse problems! some have NO solution (beside a short prayer or hootah)! some will use it against you! i felt always VERY uncomfortable (as a pastor) when people started sharing these things with me (because i knew that i cannot really help them). good thing: if you have a good christian friend, then you can perhaps ask for accountability in this sort of things. the best is also to talk honest with your wife (if you are married). | ||
| robert_unknown Intermediate Member Username: robert_unknown Post Number: 166 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 80.109.163.152 |
all this confession and hootah crap often only creates ungood and ungodly soulish boundaries to the descipler/ minister/ counselour. rather confess your problems to your wife or to a good christian brother, than to "Mr.I-will-define-YoU"! | ||
| philiprosenthal Junior Member Username: philiprosenthal Post Number: 40 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 196.25.255.250 |
I don't understand the case. Can someone (preferably Mark Durham) explain it to me. The web site link doesn't explain it well. If I understand correctly, Mark Durham says he was falsely accused by an EN member of some offence. Now then my question is why is the EN organisation at fault and not just this individual member? If I understand correctly, Murrell is named as a respondent. Why? When an organisation has tens of thousands of members, some of those members are likely to wrong other people, but why is the organisation being held responsible for the actions of the member? | ||
| maranatha1984 Member Username: maranatha1984 Post Number: 92 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 12.96.65.83 |
Phil- well- this is one that IMHO EN will slough off in about 30 seconds. This fellow is going to waste an lot of time and effort- and if his Lawyer is on contingency fee- his lawyers time and money. What happened is terrible- but I can see no reason why EN should be held accountable for this one... | ||
| sameo Intermediate Member Username: sameo Post Number: 116 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.140.253.49 |
Yeh Robert! I heard this old tv preacher once say from the pulpit...he had been in a church once and the preacher was preachin' away and he started telling the congregation how he was so 'set free from lust' that he could be in a roomful of ten BEAUTIFUL non-clothed women and still have no problem with lust! Upon hearing this, the ol' preacher telling the story said "I got up out of that church as fast as I could, and RAN out the door and never came back, because I KNEW this man was a LIAR!!! HE then said, "Brothers and sisters, I wouldn't trust myself with ten UGLY women!! HAHA I thought that said it all! HE's right. Don't trust a preacher who says he is above 'falling into temptation with lust!' And this wise ol' preacher(telling the story)KNEW to always be on guard....because even 10 UGly women are a temptation....let alone ten beautiful!! | ||
| robert_unknown Intermediate Member Username: robert_unknown Post Number: 256 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 80.109.163.152 |
well said, sameo ;) the problem is not mainly with lust, but with selfcontrole. lust is part of human nature, and there is nothing wrong with it in the environement God has created for it, namely marriage. of course in a marriage there shall also be selfcontrole, and of course responsability. |
