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missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 59
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 9:28 pm: | 
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Most people have asked me not to publish their letters and if I do not to use their name so I will do my best to be very careful so I will not betray trust.
I promise to help these people in any way I can. I am not afraid of HH because too many people know the REAL truth.
some have written me that they are still reaching for their families and friends there so they must not let their name be known.
The day before this forum shuts down I plan to have bits and peices of cries for help I have in my possesion together for you to read.
Not only do I have letters I know many of the names of the writers...and I know their stories are true...Their names will not appear...neither anything that would identify them but you will weep...and weep...and weep. |
hooiamdzntmttr
New member
Username: hooiamdzntmttr
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 167.127.179.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 11:44 am: |
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If a person has sent you any written correspondence, and asked you to keep it private, you have neither the moral or legal right to publish said material. To do so would seriously call into question your validity as a person of ministry. If people sent you "private" correspondence, you best keep it private. That my two cents, but I am legally correct. |
hooiamdzntmttr
New member
Username: hooiamdzntmttr
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 167.127.179.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 1:00 pm: |
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1. Historically, ministerial confidentiality is held sacred by the courts in the USA. If something was shared with you in confidence, with the understanding that you are in ministry, do not violate your obligations by exploiting those facts or correspondence for another agenda, whether the agenda is just or not.
2. Private conversations are legally protected unless the consent of the other party is given to release or publish said facts. A violation of this is morally repugnant, and quite possibly, a serious legal infraction. ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE SHARED IN "PRIVACY".
Be careful. You are walking a very slippery slope. |
wise_as_a_serpent
New member
Username: wise_as_a_serpent
Post Number: 18
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 1:23 pm: |
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"Most people have asked me not to publish their letters...."
Then respect their wishes and don't.
"...to be very careful so I will not betray trust."
You will if you do. |
missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 70
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 2:24 pm: |
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I will betay them if I do publish what has been asked NOT for me to tell...that I will not publish...it will come out anyway but not by me.
Whatever I put here was NOT asked to be kept secret in fact I just talked to one of the parties and they oked it IF I feel to write here.
I will not betry trust... |
missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 71
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:27 pm: |
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I am a missionary I personally know enough to fill pages here without even having to put anything from the letters and e mails...
Since posting here (not my last post) I have been asked to wait due to a certain circumstance. Please be assured I would never harm the wounded but I am NOT in favor of protecting the guilty just because they are kin folks or friends.
Truth will soon come out but it will not be by my hand it will be by who the Lord chooses. I will see what later today holds. |
hooiamdzntmttr
New member
Username: hooiamdzntmttr
Post Number: 3
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 167.127.179.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:09 pm: |
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Long as you keep private what has been sent as "private", then fine. A person who works in "ministry" should never violate anything shared in private. |
missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 72
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:29 pm: |
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I just recieved a call asking was the poster above trying to scare me.I do not know. I am not afraid. I have talked to my lawyer and a FD. I have done nothing wrong. I feel like by writing here I have helped people. That is what I live for... |
saygoodnightgracie
Intermediate Member
Username: saygoodnightgracie
Post Number: 103
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.64.222.11
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:32 pm: |
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"I have talked to my lawyer and a FD."
I am glad that you talked to a Fire Department, that was a good idea. Those guys ALWAYS know the right thing to do... |
missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 73
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:38 pm: |
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That is true...HH found out about that a little late didnīt they? |
saygoodnightgracie
Intermediate Member
Username: saygoodnightgracie
Post Number: 104
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.64.222.11
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:42 pm: |
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"HH found out about that a little late"..
Hubert Humphrey, Howard Hughes? Who are we talking about? |
saygoodnightgracie
Intermediate Member
Username: saygoodnightgracie
Post Number: 105
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.64.222.11
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:44 pm: |
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I sometimes find "bits and peices of letters" and other stuff in the dryer if I wash a pair of pants and forget to empty the pockets...
That's confirmation right there baby. |
missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 75
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:45 pm: |
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ever heard of federal deputy... |
saygoodnightgracie
Intermediate Member
Username: saygoodnightgracie
Post Number: 106
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.64.222.11
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:50 pm: |
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Yes! I've heard of him. Roscoe P. Coltrane for instance...
Have you tried to take all of the bits and peices and put them back together? You might be able to read the message. It's probably a puzzle, like in "The Christmas Story".. "Drink Your Ovaltine!" |
saygoodnightgracie
Intermediate Member
Username: saygoodnightgracie
Post Number: 107
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.64.222.11
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:52 pm: |
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PS Barney Fife was a Deputy but that didn't stop people from going around arresting people themselves, yelling "Citizen's Arrest, Citizen's Arrest!".. Right? So, was he Federal or what? |
saygoodnightgracie
Intermediate Member
Username: saygoodnightgracie
Post Number: 108
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.64.222.11
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:53 pm: |
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Who do you missionize and such? |
praxaluh
Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 62
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 4:06 am: |
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Hi Folks,
Thank you, hooiamdzntmttr. You are especially right about the responsibilities of a person in ministry. Mrs. Alvear is compromising her own position by continually referring to private conversations. If they are private, the integrity course is not to allude to them at all. One could conceive of very exceptional circumstances but that is the proper way. As you point out Mrs. Alveawr is walking a very slippery slope, continually alluding to private conversations. If they cannot be revealed they simply should not be mentioned. Nobody knows what they are, nothing can be checked, she is simply not walking in an ethical and integrity way.
Folks request privacy for a number of reasons. I rarely do so, nor do I like to receive private information that is not to be shared. If someone says "can I tell you something in absolute confidence, not to be shared anywhere else" my answer is generally "I would prefer not" with a further explanation. Granted, a person in ministry may have a different responsibility and focus.
One reason for requesting privacy is simple and has not been mentioned - the person is not really sure that they have the full picture, or know all the facts, in a matter. So as not want to start a rumor or false accusation based on limited information, it can be requested to hold on speaking about something.
Personally, those are the situations where I speak something to somebody with a request not to 'telephone' it around. My facts could be wrong, perhaps the person themselves knows a bit and can correct this for me, as I would prefer it not to be true, not to think ill about this and that.
Overall, I think anybody using Mrs. Alvear in this manner that she indicates is making a bad mistake. The track record of Mrs. Alvear vis a vis HH is very poor, abysmal, as anybody can see by reading her hundreds of repetitive unsubstantive posts on this forum. She did eventually forego some previous sick comments but never once apologized, and still blithely occasionally sticks in a sick Jim Jones type reference.
We saw how she misrepresented the letter from her friend in HH. We saw how she was totally giving a distorted picture on certain issues that she had had with HH (where she posted here dozens of times and never once spoke to them). Although in a sense those are minor compared to the ability to accuse HH of being like a murderous cult in a public forum. This is truly the sickness of core oppos.
For all these reasons I really do not trust her sharings about HH as being at all grounded in fairness and charity. And she should be the last person for confidential discussions if you expect to receive a good, balanced, fair response.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
foreverhis
Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 76
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.54.69
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 9:10 am: |
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"One reason for requesting privacy is simple and has not been mentioned - the person is not really sure that they have the full picture, or know all the facts, in a matter."
Prax, we have been over this ump-teen times and you know it.
When it concerns Homestead Heritage, there are much better reasons. Most cases the person has shared with me personal experiences that they know all the details about. It is because of the threat of Homestead Heritage that people choose not to be known to have spoken up. When it is a current member their very "salvation" [sic} is at stake and discipline is sure to follow and including the possibility of public rebuke and character defamation. When it is a family member or dear friend of a member of Homestead Heritage, shunning in likely to happen.
People are living in fear of telling the truth because somebody has too much power.
FH |
missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 78
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 11:22 am: |
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my track record very bad? Oh come on Prax who are you fooling? I have been a steady missionary 40 years. I am torn on HH whether to go and do what higher authorities have told me to or wait on something else that is in the making. I have friends that are lawyers, Federal Marshall and people I know that are interested BUT I am not interested in hurting more innocent people.
I have more sense than you think!
I hear the cries and pleas of letters and e mails sent to me and I know what I know YOU do not know so I really pity you when you find out what is truth.
If you really knew the truth of the matter you would not be on this board or any other board defending a place that turns people into living robots, a place that strips people of decisions, a place that beats children till blood runs down their backs, a place that puts diapers on teenagers for rebellion and not submitting, a place where children are sent to their room not for days for weeks and even months to learn obedience. A place where mothers have committed crimes (?) however God looks at it...a place where people are driven to obedience through fear and "prophecies" a place where even a dead boyīs funeral was used to expose sex and scare others. Donīt tell me it is a quite little peace loving God fearing breath of fresh air.
Maybe you were never talked too like we were screamed at by JS like my husband was. Maybe you were never asked using the name of God to kill your burden for them and their desires and ambitions.
Maybe you were not boldly lied to about the Crow family like we were and Real truth was. Have you forgotten IT IS A SIN TO LIE? Or do you believe like the JW and HH it is ok to lie if... I have dozens of people phoning me every day for decisions others e mailing me. If I was what you say how did I come to Brazil barely 18 with just a tiny suitcase and today have a work that is worth millions of dollars?
I do know what I am doing. I am a God called missionary. I will not hid HH evil deeds and lies.
Those that know me KNOW what kind of person I am. Type Janice Alvear into search and my whole life you or anyone else can look into.
We all might not see scripture eye to eye but you will NEVER find any families we have divided, mistreated or brainwashed...
more later... |
missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 79
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 2:55 pm: |
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Jesus was filled with righteous anger when he saw people being taken advantaged of and I too feel righteous anger reading letters and knowing how people have been treated and lied on using Godīs name in their ego pursuit. They may have cleaned the outside of the cup but on the inside they are full of dead menīs bones...(go learn what that meanth) Prax doesnīt seem to know. |