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cult_fighter
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 40.0.40.10
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 5:58 pm: | 
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It's out there, folks! Subscribers to Indianapolis Monthly, a reputable magazine with a circulation of 48,000, have now received in their mail boxes the July, 2007 edition. Right there on the COVER of this magazine is a lead-in for the story: "Church or Cult? Inside Indy's Scariest Group". This 11-page article was written by respected journalist, Tony Rehagen. (Tony can now expect his credibility to be severely challenged by Mike Peters and his "scary" followers -- even though he clearly AVOIDED an interview with Tony, as described in the story.) PLEASE, if you are not a subscriber, go to your Indianapolis newstand, or to the magazine's website and buy this issue!! Let's hope and PRAY that this story generates much more media attention for Mike. He should be happy -- now he's "famous"! By the way, the story is featured on pages 115-121 and continued on pages 129-132. It contains some fascinating information about Mike and his cult group -- many things that I never knew before. In addition, there are some GREAT PICTURES, including five nice photos of Mike in action, one of his palacial house, and a picture of the UNFRIENDLY sign the Peterites put up in their neighborhood to keep all of us "pagans" away. (Note: the above mentioned unfriendly sign has now been taken down! I guess they knew it would be in the article.)
All I can say is What an answer to PRAYER this article is!! Thank you, Tony, for exposing this cult! God bless you!!
A final note: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Mike! According to the article, Mike Peters just turned 50 last week (on June 10th). |
threeseas
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Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 68.22.242.235
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 7:26 pm: |
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I read the article today. I pray the truth continues to be revealed....and that Mike and his sargents dont go off the deepend, but be pulled back to reality.
I will make sure to email everyone I can to make sure they read it |
danrepent
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 65.60.228.88
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 9:14 pm: |
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I am glad about the article, I wonder how many local papers will pick up on this.
Just in case this site shuts down. There is a new forum...
http://www.indianapoliscult.com/allatmikesfeet/forum/ |
graceisenough
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Username: graceisenough
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 71.101.52.170
| | Posted on Friday, June 22, 2007 - 9:20 pm: |
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This is a sad situation and yet I have seen some of the hurt being healed for many over time. God loves to make beauty from ashes. One of the hardest things for alot of us is that we know that those still involved are totally convinced they are doing the right thing. I loved God when I was in this cult and yet I was so deceived. I hurt people that I loved too. God is merciful.
To Lyn,
I just wanted to say thanks to you specifically for speaking out.
elizabeth |
baxter
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 128.241.47.175
| | Posted on Friday, June 22, 2007 - 10:37 pm: |
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It is interesting that they took the sign down! That's creepy. You know, it's rare to witness Mike talking with people who still have their critical thinking skills intact. He is good at being the one doling out the rebukes, criticism, authority, "superior" knowledge because he is in his "element" with people who fear him. But when it comes to someone who doesn't see him as this intimidating authority figure and with whom he has no psychological control over, he seems to change the subject, attack, or avoid them altogether. |
joythruchrist
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.127.144.7
| | Posted on Friday, June 22, 2007 - 11:26 pm: |
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Welcome, Lyn. I echo your hope that they will be set free. I take no pleasure in this article whatsoever, but I do hope that it has a useful impact on this situation.
Bax, that's an excellent observation. I found that Mike didn't seem to want to email me for very long, perhaps because I didn't cower at his rebukes and accusations, but challenged him with truth? I would imagine that since he would be unable to control Tony Rehagen and what he wrote in the article, that's why he opted not to be interviewed. Just a guess.
~jen
joythruChrist@gmail.com |
first_truth
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 68.83.11.33
| | Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 12:02 am: |
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Hi Lyn,
Long time no here! Good to here from you! If you like, send me an email so we can talk off line.
I know you and your husband S*** Owen. I was a part of the group for many years, been to the meetings at the Zionsville Lions club, Indianapolis Zoo conference center, and other places.
Sorry got to stay anonymous here. Hope you understand.
First Truth
then_freedom@yahoo.com |
cult_fighter
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 40.0.40.10
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 10:00 am: |
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A summary of Factnet's current status: Within the next 9 days, they need to raise at least $6,000 to keep the board going for another 3 months. They are more than halfway to this goal. If you haven't yet given a small donation to Factnet, please think and pray about it! The cultists (like Mike) are hoping against hope that Factnet dies. Let's NOT let that happen!
One interesting tidbit on Factnet's update: They said, "Only about 2% of the responders thought we should shut down the discussion forums and Factnet as a whole. Some of these emails were filled with obscenities and speaking strongly in favor of the destructive cults discussed on our boards."
>> I wonder if Chris or Mike sent one of the Obscenity-filled messages to FactNet! While I've always heard the Peterites are opposed to using obscene language -- I've also thought they were opposed to outright LYING. Mike openly lied about me and my family -- and he hasn't denied this. If they can compromise on lying, why wouldn't they compromise on obscene language?? |
graceisenough
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Username: graceisenough
Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 71.101.52.170
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 11:21 am: |
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Hello! I am not so sure we should go there. I don't want to assume what they do or do not do. We have all seen enough of Mike lying and using Chris to smear us to prove that he is unfit as a shepherd/leader. We have all seen and experienced the abuse and control. I just hate to get caught up in conjecture. No offense Cult-fighter...I too wondered if they would be fighting for factnet to shut down. I really don't want to see that happen but I have decided that it is in God's hands. What may look like bad timing to us, with the article coming out, may be something good that we just can't see. Again, I hope it doesn't shut down because I feel that many people will be checking here to learn more and needing to speak out about their experience.
I am also concerned that many won't have the chance due to the problems some are having with posting here lately.
If anyone out there is new to factnet and wants to post on a forum there is one on www.indianapoliscult.com |
joythruchrist
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Username: joythruchrist
Post Number: 15
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.127.144.7
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 3:25 pm: |
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Elizabeth, I agree. There's been a little too much supposition on these boards already. I'm confident that God is sovereign and all this is safe in His very capable hands. All is going according to the Divine plan. We can rest in that.
~jen
joythruChrist@gmail.com |
baxter
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Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 128.241.41.0
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 4:18 pm: |
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Ladies, I agree! The timing of the possibility of factnet closing on the heals of the magazine hitting the news stand seems peculiar. How many times has God surprised his people with deliverance in a way they didn't expect. As Mordecai said to Esther, "For if you remain silent at this time [or factnet closes down], relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews [or those caught in Mike's mind control and manipulation] from another place..."
Christ.myrighteousness@gmail.com |
cult_fighter
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 40.0.40.10
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 4:21 pm: |
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All I'm suggesting is that since Mike has openly LIED about my family -- why should we doubt that anything is beyond him.
Mike has my email address. If he wants to write me and apologize for LYING about my family (people he knows NOTHING about), I would forgive him -- and I would think a little more highly of him. Of course I'd be utterly SHOCKED if Mike ever showed such humility. As documented by many who have known him, Mike Peters doesn't have a humble bone in his body! |
joythruchrist
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.127.144.7
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 4:26 pm: |
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They've lied --and continue to lie-- about all of us. I'm assuming you know not to hold your breath for an apology, CF. 
But hey, we can always hope.
(Message edited by joythruchrist on June 25, 2007) |
danrepent
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 65.60.228.88
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 9:15 pm: |
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There are too many lies that were told. If he admits one, he has to admit them all. His little world would fall apart and many of his followers would be in total disarray. That is why I pray that people would leave this group before he takes them down with him. |
lauramarie
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 75.177.94.213
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 9:26 pm: |
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told my brother in law about the article. I think he might read it. Praying for his and his family's deliverance. |
threeseas
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Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 68.72.58.208
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 9:59 pm: |
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A friend of ours who was forced to leave CII and leave his wife and children there 18 months ago will be visiting us next week. We plan to share the article with him. Please be praying for direction and biblical restoration of his family...and for his wifes eyes to be open to the truth. |
baxter
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 128.241.41.0
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 11:53 pm: |
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That's great, Laura! If Mike puts a ban on it, that ought to be a red flag.
I'll be praying threeseas! |
graceisenough
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Username: graceisenough
Post Number: 7
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 71.101.52.170
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 12:42 am: |
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Threeseas~
I am so sorry to hear about your friend. Everytime I hear a new story of marriages and families torn apart it breaks my heart. I know the pain they feel. Even the spouse that is still in the group is in great pain eventhough they can't see the damage they've done. When the two that became one in marriage is ripped apart that tearing apart is something I wish on no one! I will pray, too. Also for Lauramarie and her families' deliverance. |
openbook
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Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 204.72.144.1
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 9:32 am: |
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Can anyone scan or otherwise make the article on the Indianapolis Cult from the July edition available electronically? Hard to get a copy for those outside the local area. Thanks. |
cult_fighter
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Posted From: 40.0.40.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 9:46 am: |
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Openbook:
I believe there are legal implications to openly sending out a scan. Mr. Rehagen and his magazine deserve a financial benefit from writing this EXCELLENT article.
I would advise you to contact Indianapolis Monthly through any of the following:
1-888-403-9005 (subscription hotline)
1-317-237-9288 (local Indianapolis number)
Or write them at:
Indianapolis Monthly
1 Emmis Plaza
40 Monument Circle
Suite 100
Indianapolis, IN 46204 |
graceisenough
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Posted From: 71.101.52.170
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 11:13 am: |
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I might be redundant here but I was wondering if the article will be featured on the Indianapolis Monthly website. Does anyone know if it will be available online to be read in it's entirety or excerpted? |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.47.228
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 3:44 pm: |
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Open book, that article will be available at their website probably the beginning of July after they have had a chance to sell the July issue of the magazine. Here is the link: http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/monthly/thisMonth.asp
At some point if we get permission to post the article, you can be sure we will be doing so. Keep checking www.indianapoliscult.com for information.
Christ.myrighteousness@gmail.com |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.45.241
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 4:13 pm: |
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Couple of thoughts:
1. You know, I find this sadly amusing. This is a quote from Indy's infamous defender, ChrisO, "Stuff "they" aren't going to tell you or highlight [especially since, again, the main accusers have absolutely NO real first-hand knowledge of these things -- NONE, ZILCH, NADA -- in spite of what they falsely "claim."] " It's interesting his protests against many on factnet whom he declares has "NO real first hand knowledge". With that said, do you see the ridiculousness of this comment, "He's been in a rage ever since, again regardless here of how he "paints" it. The only surprise to me was that it took 15 years. All the while he was being left alone by others, he was privately seething (and you with him)." That is ChrisO referring to Den and Jen E. How would ChrisO know that when HE has NO firsthand knowledge of their lives? He has never even met Jen. "PRIVATELY seething (and you with him)"? Can anyone out there with any "sense" or "wisdom" tell me how this is possible? 1 Cor 2:11 For who among men knows the {thoughts} of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
2. Following is a quote from Mike Peters' letter to the Indianapolis Monthly (posted here, http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3/30328):
"Most would claim this is a country of "religious tolerance" and "liberty," wouldn't you agree? We pride ourselves on that, from the "founding fathers" on. But YOU just try doing something different than what culture, habit, tradition, and superstition dictate -- in the workplace or religion or politics -- and see what happens to you."
I just want to make something clear. This is NOT about doing something different. I think what Indy started HAD great potential of being a blessing to many people. As you read testimonies and letters at www.indianapoliscult.com and comments on www.factnet.org, there is belief that it began with good intentions. Even Tim S.'s comments (featured in the Indianapolis Monthly Magazine, July issue) stated how things were in the beginning. Doing something different is NOT the issue, it's how it has digressed into a brain-washing, controlling, spiritually abusive, godlessly authoritative group, with an un-accountable leader, Mike Peters. He wouldn't even submit to an interview with the reporter, Tony Rehagen. Since they live as a reclusive, isolated group, it is difficult to even shine the light on Mike Peters so that his followers can make an informed decision. He controls what they can and cannot read and do. They only get what HE tells them. They are so fearful and intimidated by him that even if they COULD, out of fear of rejection, they would deny their fears and doubts. People there have been day after day after day subjected to Mike's thoughts, teachings, and abuses. They have witnessed what happens to anyone who doesn't agree or questions his practices. And since they associate leaving the group as leaving God, they will endure control rather than heed that "still small voice".
Christ.myrighteousness@gmail.com |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.45.241
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 4:17 pm: |
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I guess the "city set on a hill" isn't as easy to spot as you would think.
Christ.myrighteousness@gmail.com
(Message edited by baxter on June 27, 2007) |
cult_fighter
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Posted From: 40.0.40.10
| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 8:24 am: |
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The bottom line, Baxter, is that Mike, ChrisO, and their clones are SCARED! They are scared of anything they can't control. That's the reason Mike wouldn't do an interview with Rehagen -- he couldn't CONTROL it. Same with Chris, now, and his fear of responding to this well-written, thoroughly research article -- he's scared!
Amazing thing is: The article says it is the Peterites who are "Indy's Scariest Group". Thankfully, 48,000 Indianapolis citizens are now learning all about this scary group -- and they can even see what Mike looks like as a warning. |
lauramarie
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Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 75.177.94.213
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has anyone had any feedback on the article and the "group"? just wondering if they had access to the article, if they were allowed to read it, hear about how it is all "lies and can't be taken seriously", but if it has started to open any eyes? I'm not sure how you would even find that out? Those of you that have been on the inside might know more.
Does anyone know if there are places in Indy where someone who is questioning could go? I guess since they're not allowed to go out alone it might be difficult. I just wonder where people who are starting to wake up could go, who they could talk to if that is even possible. A safe place to go and talk? Just thinking that if I lived in Indy, I couldn't leave the city at first. If they are sending spies out to the churches, can't the churches have strategically placed people available to help? Guess my mind is always trying to think of a safe escape. |
word1948
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Posted From: 68.58.127.165
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I drove down 71st Street the other day and saw a building that said "Church in Indiana" on a sign in front and had those words stenciled on their garbage cans. The Indy Monthly article stated that the CII did note own a building. What is this building, if not a meeting place? If it is a meeting place, do they have weekly services there? |
gottapost2
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Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 192.108.114.19
| | Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 12:57 pm: |
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The *Factnet list* ( http://www.indianapoliscult.com/allatmikesfeet/FactnetList_about_Indianapolis.html ) should answer many of your questions.
But real quickly, no. They have no sign, no building, no weekly services. They meet spontaneously when meetings are announced by approved leaders. Meeting places vary for "corporate gatherings" (whole-church gatherings) to parks, Zoo, hotels, lions clubs. Any place that can hold a few hundred people.
Meetings are by invitation only. |
gottapost2
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Posted From: 66.199.184.254
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lauramarie, if my name was Jill, and I wanted to meet you for 2 hours at a local restaurant, I could do that. But then I would be harangued by other members about where I was for that time? Secrets are evil and I have no privacy. Even for those people on who are not part of the "daily life" but are locked-in the group because of their families, the inquisition or increased "withholding affection" punishments will be doled out.
In reality, that person would be called a Jesus-hater or a traitor to meet with you or me and they would be given the Tim Sz treatment. |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.46.29
| | Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2007 - 5:11 pm: |
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word1948, following is a quote and link from the factnet list found at www.indianapoliscult.com. I believe it addresses what you saw.
"This religious group (suggested to be a cult) is sometimes called "The Church in Indianapolis" (which we will call CII). There exists another group in Indianapolis who call themselves the "Church In Indianapolis", who clearly identify themselves with names and addresses. This document is not about them."
http://indianapoliscult.com/AllatMikesfeet/FactnetList_about_Indianapolis.pdf
Christ.myrighteousness@gmail.com |
cult_fighter
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Posted From: 40.0.40.10
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Lauramarie:
If someone from within the Peterite cult wants some help -- or even just a non-cult voice to listen, they can call contact Families Against Cults of Indiana. This wonderful ministry has RESCUED many past cult members, including many Peterites!
On the internet, they can be found at:
http://www.familiesagainstcults.org/about.php
Or they can be called at: (317) 219-6080 |
lauramarie
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Posted From: 75.177.94.213
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thank you! I called them. |
joythruchrist
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Posted From: 64.127.144.7
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:03 am: |
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The first few paragraphs only of the article are now available on the Indianapolis Monthly website.
http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/monthly/article.asp?articleID=15 |
baxter
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Posted From: 198.172.201.11
| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 10:20 pm: |
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I was thinking about some things Mike said in his letter to Tony Rehagen and wondered what this has to do with anything?
"good citizens and professionals, PhD's and engineers and nurses and tradesmen and children and wives and grandparents?"
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/30328.html?1182569563
Acts 4:13 ¶ Now as they observed the confidence of Peter and John and understood that they were uneducated and untrained men, they were amazed, and {began} to recognize them as having been with Jesus.
1 Cor 1:26 ¶ For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;
And for you art lovers...
http://drawger.com/marcart/?section=comments&article_id=3742 |
graceisenough
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Posted From: 71.100.193.229
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 3:54 pm: |
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--sorry for the double post--I meant to post to this thread!.................
I received a copy of Indianapolis Monthly a few days back and wanted to congratulate Tony Rehagen on his writing and the integrity he showed us in his interviews. May this help open the eyes of people who read it and encourage all who have lost a loved one to this cult. I have heard too many accounts of someone not seeing a family member for years because of this group for me to ignore. I can't in good conscience sit back and do nothing for those in pain. I do not need to be understood or accepted by those I care about who are still trapped inside.
"If someone is in a cult would they know it?" -- quote from a member of CII
No, they don't know it, they are deceived. But the signs are always there, glaring.
enelson8735@yahoo.com |
graceisenough
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Posted From: 71.100.193.229
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This is something I wrote with a specific person who I used to know very well in mind. BUT, it may apply to anyone.
You have to make a choice to lose most things temporal to leave this cult. Including the spiritual approval of the leaders, your home, your friends (who you consider your family), maybe even your children. But you will not lose GOD!!! This group is not GOD! It may be your god, your idol. You need to see that God and this group are not one and the same. Pray for God to show you this, He is the only one that is able to unbend your mind. I too pray that you will have the courage to trust in Him alone and not Mike Peters and his teachings. He is a falible human and way off the mark. You know this, you've seen things that you know are not from God in this group. So, I beg you to ask yourself why do you stay??? Golfcourse community? Safety for your children? Education for your children? Do you really think this is THE sole expression of God's kingdom? Remember it is not a here or there kingdom, but He chose to set His kingdom in our hearts. Not in some exclusive group. Exclusivism is one of the major warning signs for a cult. I know you may be afraid to be treated in the same way you've seen others treated who left or disagreed. I also realize that you may dearly love the people who are in this group with you, who you've known for years. Is it better to serve God or man?
God will not leave you, nor will He forsake you. You are not leaving God if you leave this group!!! If you think that then it proves that this group has become your god. Have courage. God's grace and peace be with you.
I love you and care about you-- whoever I may be speaking to.
enelson8735@yahoo.com |
cult_fighter
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Posted From: 40.0.40.10
| | Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 10:02 am: |
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I just returned from a big trip and I find ....
FACTNET IS STILL HERE!!!!
Praise God! Our prayers are answered.
You have to know that Mike is now scrambling to explain to his clones why God didn't answer THEIR prayers. Surely, just as it's been testified that Mike once had the group praying together to take the "Bob & Tom" show off the air, they certainly were all praying for the demise of FactNet (or "PornNet", as Mike childishly calls it.)
Hey, maybe if they'd start praying to the REAL loving, merciful, forgiving God, maybe then they'd see some of their prayers answered. Then again, love, mercy, and forgiveness don't fit in well with Mike's gospel of an ANGRY God -- so angry that He's ultra-ticked at Christmas carolers singing "Silent Night". |
baxter
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 128.241.45.235
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I happened to find this Question and Answer at a blogspot I visited. As I read it, I couldn’t help but think of Mike Peters and his leadership style. I think you can draw your own analogy…
QUESTION:
14. If the husband is to treat his wife as Christ does the church, does that mean he
should govern all the details of her life and that she should clear all her actions with him?
ANSWER:
No. We may not press the analogy between Christ and the husband that far. Unlike Christ, all husbands sin. They are finite and fallible in their wisdom. Not only that, but also, unlike Christ, a husband is not preparing a bride merely for himself, but also for another, namely, Christ. He does not merely act as Christ, he also acts for Christ. At this point he must not be Christ to his wife, lest he be a traitor to Christ. He must lead in such a way that his wife is encouraged to depend on Christ and not on himself. Practically, that rules out belittling supervision and fastidious oversight. Even when acting as Christ, the husband must remember that Christ does not lead the church as His daughter, but as His wife. He is preparing her to be a “fellow-heir,” not a servant girl (Romans 8:17). Any kind of leadership that, in the name of Christlike headship, tends to foster in a wife personal immaturity or spiritual weakness or insecurity through excessive control, picky supervision, or oppressive domination has missed the
point of the analogy in Ephesians 5. Christ does not create that kind of wife.
From a book entitled: Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood |
danrepent
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Posted From: 65.60.228.88
| | Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 11:48 am: |
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We might want to be on the lookout for new email and internet address for this group. I could see them abandoning their allathisfeet.com for something new. The news article has exposed their websites, email, and Indianapolis Neighborhood. |
baxter
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 168.143.123.98
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I was reading over Anaxibius' posts over at http://www.indianapoliscult.com/allatmikesfeet/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=0.733333333333333&TOPIC_ID=9Ĕ and he mentioned "logic". I recall a time of confusion and question about something in the group (one of many, but can't remember the detail). I had asked Mike a question. He gave an answer and then used the words "it's just common sense". I became so bewildered at that point because I realized when he said that that the "common sense" that I possessed had been zapped because of the mind games and control and manipulation that is exercised in the group. It was the same thing when I realized my critical thinking skills were affected as well. The "canned" responses that people have is also what I witnessed because I gave the same "canned" responses. Everyone learned through fear, conditioning, intimidation to speak the same thing and the same way. And you do have a "veil" over your head and you can't see until that veil is lifted. Right now all those people walking around in Mike's kingdom are walking Zombies with no thoughts of their own, none of their own convictions, they have "emptied" themselves and took on the form of the one they follow and it is NOT CHRIST.
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cult_fighter
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Posted From: 40.0.40.10
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OK, now that the excellent Indianapolis Monthly article is available online:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general943.html
Let's ask some basic questions from the story:
(1) Why does a neutral reporter, with no axe to grind, come to the conclusion that Mike's group is "Indy's Scariest Group"?
(2) Why is a group that CLAIMS to be following Jesus so UNwelcoming of anyone coming into their neighborhood? (including the reporter)
(3) Why did Mike claim to be a "high-paying executive" at Rand McNally when their records show he was merely a printing press room supervisor?
(4) Why did Gene Fredette say, "When you confess <sins> to <mike>, you're signing your death warrant?"
(5) Why did Mike "set himself apart" by buying a house when no one else in the group owned one?
(6) Why have Mike, Chris Olive, and his own betraying brother described Tim Szazinkski as such an evil, abusive man -- yet this neutral reporter found Tim to be normal, believable, and sympathetic?
(7) Why does Mike and his group describe "anyone outside the group, including self-proclaiming Christians, as 'pagans'"?
(8) Why did Mike Peters think he had any right to arrange the marriage for Janis Gaines? How cultic is THAT???
(9) Why did Mike clearly IDENTIFY WITH cult leader David Koresh, showing sympathy for him and his group, after the Waco tragedy? Was Mike making it clear that he and Koresh are similar?
(10) In the story, Lisa M is quotes as saying "If you weren't part of the church, you were going to hell." Does Mike (and his group) deny this?
(11) Why, when Tim Szazinski would question the beliefs of Mike Peters, did his wife and children "literally plug their ears with their fingers" and called 911 to claim "he was verbally abusing" them? What IS "verbal abuse" and why does it merit calling the authorities?
(12) Why can Mike Peters NEVER answer his critics without name-calling? In the article, he calls his "detractors" -- "psychotic and wife-abusive handful of people".
(13) Why did Mike "demand" a spreadsheet with the names of "sources" who were making accusations against him? What did he plan to do with that spreadsheet? How would he harm the people on that spreadsheet?
(14) Why did Mike Peters, the man who spends hours on golf courses, clearly DUCK an interview with this neutral reporter? WHAT was he afraid of?
(15) By ducking the reporter's interview, does Mike realize that he missed his chance to have real pictures taken for the article? Does he realize how PATHETIC he looks in the pictures in the article? Does Mike Peters really look that bad? Yikes!
(16) Why were the "gray-haired man" and the "tall, lanky dark-haired man with crooked teeth" so UNFRIENDLY to this reporter? Why do they claim they are "protecting their families" by turning away this neutral reporter?
(17) Why does almost everything in this article sound like the Jim Jones story -- just a few years before Jonestown? |
guemaj8h
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Posted From: 87.230.11.166
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http://www.glamour.com/news/articles/2007/06/polygamy?printable=true¤tPage=all
This article "Escape from polygamy" in the FLDS reminds me of my experience with Mike Peters' Indianapolis. Take away the polygamy and the story could have been written about the lives of a person or two from Indianapolis.
From the article:
<b>the children are "trapped in a repressive lifestyle they did not choose. It is agonizing not to be able to give them help or hope. FLDS [or Indianapolis Church] members are taught to regard criticisms like mine as ramblings and lies from the devil.</b>
(Message edited by guemaj8h on August 02, 2007) |
cult_fighter
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Posted From: 40.0.40.10
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EVERYTHING in the Indianapolis Monthly article STANDS AS TRUTH until Mike or one of his allies answers the charges. I've posted 17 questions they could answer, if they're NOT AFRAID. But I think they are.
But here's something to think about: Everything in the 1994 Indianapolis News article is 100% believable, and Mike's, Dan's, and Chris's arguments against it are totally hollow. Why?? Because they waited TWELVE YEARS to dispute it! So Mike, are you going to wait 12 years before you try to answer the Indy Monthly article? If so, your defense will be just as hollow! Answer now, or accept the verdict! |
baxter
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Posted From: 207.195.247.132
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Thanks for sharing that, guemaj8h. I read the whole article and can completely relate to what she is decribing and can see the mind control tactics as they are employed. It's the same spirit at work in Indy.
The following is a letter (not in its entirety) that I received from a brother in Christ that was helping me to wade through the mire that is associated with Mike Peters’ and his satanic slant on the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Dear (person),
We are feeling pain over the struggle you are experiencing. …
…but I wanted to make sure that you knew that all you had to do with the Father is freely receive what He offers you, complete forgiveness and cleansing of ALL unrighteousness.
You have been greatly abused. The battering you have experienced will take some time to heal. We are prepared to watch your progress be gradual. What they have done to you is still rather fresh to you----but God is able to heal. …I hope you can re-accept God’s grace and learn to relax in Him. That’s a very scriptural thing to do, rest and enjoy Him. This is true especially now as you are in the process of recovery.
… I drew a very firm conclusion that the entire enterprise in the Indy group is driven by a demon (or group of demons). It is too sinister and clever for mere man to operate without demonic assistance.
…I want you to know that when we first attempted to extract ourselves from the Indy group (Mike, in particular), it was very difficult. Guilt, fear, doubt flourished in me. But now that we have come through it the Lord has made us much stronger and wiser, much more insightful about Satan’s ways and tactics, more on the alert for this kind of evil, more equipped to help people trapped in webs of deception, the Lord has used it to build us up. I am VERY confident that He is doing that with you. Although it is difficult for you to believe that at this moment, He is going to make you much stronger. You will be much wiser. You will be able to help others with more clarity and insight. You will also find that He will cause your love for Him to not only return, but to grow. So please be patient. God is at work in you even if you don’t feel it. His love for you is eternal. What Satan has meant for evil----God means for good. That’s what Joseph said toward the end of his life after experiencing unjust abuse from his own brothers and from Potiphars wife (imprisonment). God is currently at work, weaving in your life a thread which is painful at this time, but when seen (in the future) will appear as a most artistic and beautiful work of his. You are His workmanship. He is working ALL things together for good, for you, because He loves you and you are called according to His purpose.
(person)
Christ.myrighteousness.gmail.com |
baxter
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Posted From: 207.195.247.132
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Mike, if you can no longer receive correction (although testimonies show that perhaps you have never been able to receive correction), then you are a tool in Satan’s tool box, (like Judas Iscariot), and I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes. I know that you believe and want your followers to believe that you are being “persecuted for righteousness sake”. But, do you realize that any of the Pharisees could claim the same? That didn’t make it true. The fruit coming from the results of your instruction is rotten and the effects, grievous. How rebellious is it that you set yourself up as God himself and the mediator for Him (1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, {and} one mediator also between God and men, {the} man Christ Jesus,). You are usurping the throne given to Jesus and have taken it for yourself. Your followers do NOT go to God, they go to you and those you have trained to be like you. When they say, “I’ll pray about that.” They may get on their knees, but they already know in their minds that they are going to go to you, Kevin, Nick, Molly, Donna, and whomever else has climbed the tier closest to your throne. And together you will write a letter, or tell them how to act or what to do or what to say. The fruit of your kingdom is not…Gal 5:22-23 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” This is not the fruit seen in your kingdom. And the words that you have spoken against others will return on you, Matt 7:2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.”
You have taken a scripture
Eph 4:11 And He gave some {as} apostles, and some {as} prophets, and some {as} evangelists, and some {as} pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.)
and turned it into a law. Your people come to you and cannot think for themselves because you have abused them with these verses and conditioned them to feel inadequate as a believer and in their relationship with Christ. So they find comfort in having a reason to "seek equipping", because you have made them to feel sinful if they aren't "seeking equipping". (Is "seek equipping" even a command in the Bible? hmmm) But it's all designed to keep a tight reign and control on what is happening and to protect YOUR empire. If they could think and reason for themselves and rely on their relationship with Jesus, you would most definitely lose.
Matt 7:15-23 ¶ "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn {bushes} nor figs from thistles, are they?
"So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
"A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
"So then, you will know them by their fruits.
¶ "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven {will enter.}
"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' |
cult_fighter
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Posted From: 40.0.40.10
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Chris Olive (and by extension, Mike and the whole group) KNOW that we are asking questions. I've emailed Chris, asking him to respond. They won't. They are afraid. Afraid of the truth.
Actually, by their pattern, they WILL respond. As they did with the 1994 Indy News article, sometime in the year 2019 (12 years from now), Mike will be out there, saying that Tony Rehagen is a lousy journalist, and (hoping they're not paying attention), he'll say Tim Szazinski, Gene Fredette, Janis Gaines, and Lisa M are all liars -- just as he did with Dennis Elslager, 12 years after the 1994 article.
But just in case any of these cowards want to challenge the credentials of Tony Rehagen (the writer of the Indianapolis Monthly article), well challenge this:
Tony Rehagen is an AWARD-WINNING JOURNALIST! He won the 2005 "Best Personality Profile" award from the Indiana Society of Professional Journalists. Sounds like Tony is well-qualified to profile the evil personality of Mike Peters! Which is why they're afraid to respond! |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.109.55
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I have been going over some messages in my possession and I came across this message that I think is fundamental as to the destructive practices that come from Mike Peters and his followers. When I came to the knowledge of Christ and His salvation, one of the things that caused me to worship was the fact that he was infinitely patient and kind and loving. I sat under preaching or teaching and I read the scriptures or heard them read. Sometimes God by His Spirit would convict me of something or I would, by His Spirit, receive "enlightenment". The problem with Mike and his group was THEY decided when that should happen. When it didn't they, rebuked you or chastized you or shunned you or whatever and then FORCED God's work on you. They didn't just proclaim truth and the principles of God and allow the Holy Spirit to transform lives...as Mike said in his "Catalyst for change", they needed to "HURRY up" the process. Well I know from experience that God doesn't work that way. I worshipped Him one day as I beheld how patient and kind and loving He was that He did not overwhelm me with correction as he transformed my life into His. I think Mike prophesied one day (as Caiaphas did in John 11:49-51 "But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all, nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation not perish." Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation,") when he said that if you try to bring someone to a place that God isn't bringing them to, you can actually do some damage. Well even though he said this, he still tried to do that and so did his disciples and the result was and indeed still is...DAMAGE. With that said, I think what I am about to share is an excellent message that I hope will enlighten us to the destructive force at work in Mike Peters and his PRACTICES. |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.109.55
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Dear friend:
It has seemed good to me, some friends, and the Holy Spirit to send this letter to a number of people with whom I have had contact over the past several years. I recent times I have had opportunity to gain fresh insight into what some have called "a spirit of religion." In this study I have benefited from the writings of Rick Joyner and Jack Deere. I am sending this letter out of a sense of urgency because I have personally had an unfortunate series of encounters with groups and individuals who I believe are under the deceptive influence of the religious spirit in one form or another. Out of a desire to be helpful to them this letter is being sent. May this letter bring light where light is needed; encouragement where discouragement has set in; and deliverance where darkness has wrapped its deceitful chains around innocent victims.
Jesus warned His disciples to be on guard against "the leaven of the Pharisees." This leaven was essentially spiritual pride which produced certain characteristics in the lives and teachings of the Pharisees. When leaven gets into the bread it is most difficult to get it out. Pride, by its very nature, is the most difficult stronghold to correct or to remove. Religious pride causes people to assume that they thoroughly understand God's opinion and that their lives are pleasing to God. Such a person believes that rebukes, corrections and admonitions are mostly for other people, not themselves. one of the primary characteristics of the Pharisees was their tendency to see what was wrong in other people, while not being able to see their own faults. Religious prides makes a person more prone to seeing what is wrong with others than seeing the need for his own correction. In essence it is a spirit of faultfinding.
Religious pride tends to lead to great zeal. Indeed, such a person is often admired for their tireless and seemingly selfless labor for God. Also in one way or another, this person wants you to know about their efforts. Religious pride is quick to proclaim its own works and the depths of its sacrifice. It is difficult for them to keep their diligence, their giving, fasting, long hours, late nights of ministry, service to others, and so forth for the Lord a secret. Nobody fasted, prayed or worked harder than the Pharisees. Nobody quoted the Bible more. Nobody spoke about the Messiah or had more hope in him than them. Nobody exhibited more external passion than them. Saul of Tarsus was motivated by zeal to persecute the Church----all in the notion of loving the truth. Spiritual pride invariably leads to IDEALISM. Idealism is one of the most deceptive and destructive disguises of spiritual pride. Idealism is of human origin and is a form of humanism. It has the appearance of seeking only the highest standards and the preservation of God's truth and glory. However, idealism is possibly the most deadly enemy of true revelation and true grace. It is deadly because it does not allow for growing up into grace and wisdom, but attacks and destroys the foundation of those who are in pursuit of God's glory, but are not there yet. |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.109.55
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Idealism tries to impose standards on others that is beyond what God has required or has given grace for. A man with this attitude will condemn as unspiritual anyone who is not living at his (supposed) level of spiritual accomplishment. A person with this attitude is usually one with a great deal of personal discipline. Hence, such a person is able to accomplish much due to their natural temperament----however, watch out! People around such a one will almost never be able to quite measure up----no matter how hard they try----there will always be more to accomplish---more to be and do. Spiritual pride expressing itself through idealism will always be seeking to find or create the "perfect Church" and will refuse to be a part of anything less. People who truly love God's Church will have prayers and hopes for such a Church but will still lower themselves t fellowship and serve among brethren who are still quite far from the ideal.
This idealism inevitably leads to perfectionism wherein everything is either black or white. This develops in extremes as it requires that everyone and every teaching be judged as either 100% right or 100% wrong. only Jesus can meet this standard. True agape (love) imparts truth that sets people free and then leads them down the path of righteousness and higher levels of spiritual maturity.
Perfectionism causes one to point to problems with careful accuracy. When the perfectionist offers his solution it is mostly in the realm of the ideal. his observations and solutions will even have a noble sounding ring to them as Scriptures are quoted and "principles" are stated. The unfortunate consequence of this approach is that more is torn down in the long run than actually built up. Those who do not share the zeal of the idealist may often become discouraged and dismayed with the resulting mentality; "If I cannot shoot for and reach the stars, why should I shoot at all?" On the contrary, God's grace will eventually lead us "to the stars"----but only step by step and at a pace which He determines for each of His children. The Lord does not condemn us because we trip a few times along the way. He graciously picks us up and encourages us that we can make it. He wants us to keep shooting for the stars But not condemning ourselves or others because we or they haven't made it yet. Perfect obedience and even the perfect Church should always be our goal----but "we all stumble in many ways" (James) and therefore we must extend grace to each other.
Our understanding of biblical truth and doctrine must be mixed with equal portions of humility. During our time on the earth we understand truth at best "through a glass darkly"----"we know in part and prophecy in part" (I Cor 13). We should quickly admit, and live out this truth with others, that we might not have all things together yet----or understand everything yet.
Jesus blessed Peter and turned the keys of the Kingdom over to him just before He had to rebuke him and call him "Satan" (MT 16:23). Right after this greatest of blessings the enemy deceived him, yet the Lord did not take the keys away from Peter. Jesus knew that when He gave the keys to Peter that he would soon even deny that he knew Him. Many years after Peter used the keys to open the door of faith for both the Jews and the Gentiles, the youngest of the apostles had to rebuke him publicly because of his hypocrisy. Even so, Peter was promised to sit on one of the twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. The Lord has provided a Kingdom in which His disciples could make mistakes and learn from them. Correction is absolutely necessary for growth in all of life and certainly in the Church----but it must be correction that encourages and frees, not one that condemns and crushes initiative. |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.109.55
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Religious pride has a subtle counterpart: FEAR. Fear and pride are results of the Fall. Deliverance from them is usually a long process. That is why the Lord gave Jezebel "time to repent." (Rev. 2:20,21). Fear and pride will often tend to work together in idealists and their remorse and anguish over their failures, resulting in a repentance that is simply self-abasement; then leading to more sacrifices in order to please the Lord. Then they will flip to the other extreme where they become convinced that they are superior to other Christians, other groups, movements, etc. and become unteachable and unable to receive correction.
A counterpart of this attitude is suspicion. people with this form of pride are generally suspicious of other peoples motives. they think they are able to tell what lies behind other peoples words and actions. The consider themselves to have a gift of discernment. It is, of course, true that we are called to be a people of discernment; "the spiritual man is able to appraise all things" (I Cor 2). Unfortunately, pride clouds the gift. True discernment is given to people by the Holy Spirit for the purpose of building up the Body of Christ; not for the sake of exposing and humiliating people. Jesus' ministry was characterized by the fact that He never "crushed a broken reed or blew out a smoldering wick." The counterfeit gift tends to see what is wrong with others rather than seeing what God is doing to help a person along. The fruit: division, strife and separation will outweigh healing and reconciliation. True agape love "keeps no record of wrongs" (I Cor 13). But counterfeit discernment will keep a record of wrongs on file and ready to use.
When spiritual pride has moved to a level of un-teachabilitity it is almost impossible to confront. Its first reaction is self-defense. If on confronts the pride, the fears and insecurities will rise up to attract sympathy. If the fear is confronted it wil become arrogant and masquerade as faith and devotion.
As religious pride looks first to see what is wrong with someone else; it will usually do so under the guise of "protecting the sheep" or "upholding the truth" or "building up the Body" or "a little leaven leavens the whole lump", etc. What must be looked for is the actual fruit of such a person's life and ministry. Religious pride and perfectionism finally leads to the "martyr syndrome." This is the most deadly delusion of them all. To be a true martyr for the name of Jesus is one of the greatest honors that could be experienced by anyone. When this is perverted it is a tragic form of deception. When religious pride is combined with the martyr syndrome it is almost impossible for that person to be delivered from his deception. At that point any rejection or correction is perceived as the price he must pay to "stand for the truth." This will actually drive him further from the truth and any possibility of correction.
To sum up, none of us is beyond deception. Having done this study on spiritual pride and now having written about it I conclude that I must regularly check the condition of my soul before the Lord. It is His grace alone that keeps me from falling. It is the revelation of His word and the correction of His Holy Spirit that keeps my life fresh before Him. If the true fruit of joy and peace seems to be slipping away and replaced by a sense of religious duty in my relationship with the Lord, then my guard must be up and I must turn afresh to Him in confession of sin and repentance in order that times of refreshing may return (Acts 3). |
baxter
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Posted From: 128.241.109.55
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I offer this in the hope that the Kingdom of Jesus will advance wherever the truth of the contents of this letter are needed. May it be so to His glory and may He receive increasing honor and praise as He uses this letter for His purposes. |
skeza2505
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So...I just wanted to make a quick post to say...disregard my last post. I don't know for a fact that Know_Won is Mike Peters. I think he sounds an awful lot like him, and it is something he would stoop to. But I don't want to open a can of worms here. That's why I haven't posted in a long time...because the moment I started reading this stuff, my mind is clouded with anger and all I want to do is lash out at the Indy people. I don't have a problem with offending them and telling them all exactly what I think about them...but a lot of people in here do have a problem with it. So, I try to refrain. I just get sick of all the double talk. These Indy people talk and talk and talk....and they never say ANYTHING!! It's so frustrating and Know_Won is very good at it. It's like, don't you know that everyone knows what you're doing? Don't you know you look like a fool??
Ok. There I go again. My blood just gets so heated in here!! My point is....I don't know it's Mike. I know it's someone who was/is involved with Mike Peters...no doubt about that. But, I don't KNOW that it's Mike. I do reserve my right to be suspicious though.
Anyway, Know_Won, just wanted to clear that up. DO NOT jump down my throat, I've had enough attacks in here to last me a life time. Thanks!
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