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     anon_e_mus New member Username: anon_e_mus Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.188.5.150 |
Boy, this is awkward for me. I haven't started a post in a while, but here goes. I want to say that I've gotten involved in discussions and debates here that I've had little or no business involving myself in, between you and some former members. Firstly, I jumped in without really knowing them or you personally, and I have taken sides. I realize that you had been standing by your friends out of love, some of whom had been attacked on this board. I have played the accuser. I confronted you with law regarding what Jesus instructed about marriage. Legally, what I confronted you with was absolutely correct, but it lacked love and grace and was presented with an attitude of accusation. I'm sorry if I hurt you. I don't know you. I haven't walked a mile in your shoes. I know nothing about your previous marriage and am certainly in no position to judge you. I'm truly sorry and can only ask your forgiveness. I hope you will forgive me as, after hanging around here for over a year and observing people and their patterns, I am convicted and convinced that I did the wrong thing with the right motives or perhaps, more accurately with mixed motives, as I have my own concerns about the Twelve Tribes. | ||
| davidderush New member Username: davidderush Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 70.181.222.24 |
Hello, Anon. I forgive you. I appreciate you being open to reevaluating things as you see reason to. That's admirable. Hey, you should come and visit us sometime, out here in Vista. My bet is you would love it...and you might never leave, by your own free choice...and to your eternal benefit. It would be nice to be true friends...that love at all times, and never divide. That can actually be found here, amazingly. We could wash dishes together! It is incredible how much fun we have together, washing dishes here. No kidding. Sincerely, David | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
-with a blank expression on his face he looks at the ground as he slowly shakes his head...  | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 14 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.141 |
Two people reconciling their differences and maybe becoming friends , is bad ha nab ? Lets keep those fires burning ha ? | ||
| beenthereonehat New member Username: beenthereonehat Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 137.118.152.104 |
The same old "doing dishes" story hasn't changed. Only now it is used to prostelize. I remember the story of the true disciple does his dish and someone elses. The rightouse does his own dish and the hypocrit leaves his dish for someone else. Funny thing is there was maybe 1 in 100 tters that actually did the first with a smile and was consistant. | ||
| soul1958 Junior Member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 27 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.8.180 |
Derush - (with reference to here and, on the other thread, to your other posting critcizing others' approach to posting ...) One posting at Factnet must really learn to choose his/her words carefully. Anyone can take a phrase or two and twist them into anything they want to attack or embrace, and turn a blind eye to the rest of the posting and to the intent of the communication - the message trying to be conveyed. That is what most everyone does on these boards - but... I'm not bothered by your slant on the Christian doctrines - you can have any belief you want. I am just very confused by the Christian behavior I see practiced from TTs here. So, I have more questions: Can you explain to me why you are appreciative of one's "being open to re-evaluating things" when they want to apologize, but not when they want to re-evaluate things and arrive at the same rejection of the TT? Shouldn't one be as appreciative of "open to re-evaluating," regardless of the conclusions? Or does the end only justify the means? And another phrase you used that caught my curiosity: "and you might never leave, by your own free choice..." Does that imply that one might leave the TT - other than by their own free choice? Does TT eject members? And on what basis would one be ejected? One other thing: "true friends...that love at all times, and never divide." You should know that David Pike and I ARE true friends like that. And "never divide" - meaning NOT that we don't disagree at times, but that we respect each other's differences and love each other despite them, maybe more because of them. I was hoping maybe: -- that you could overlook the kneejerks of disgruntled ex-tts, and that I could ignore kneejerks of browbeating TT apologists - because they get so worked up over things. -- And that you could actually spend your time answering honest simple questions that do NOT attack your doctrines? And I won't even hold you personally guilty for calling me, sight unseen, a Bablylonian Harlot -( I'm sure that was just some grouchy old man whose ego was at stake for losing a member back to the general society, and he was trying every fear-mongering tactic he could come up with - and it was a good one, because it really upset David like you wouldn't believe!) Now, it's back to loading the dishwasher for me.  | ||
| daddysgirl New member Username: daddysgirl Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 71.49.198.243 |
I am not trying to be accusing, but I am making an observation. Anon sincerely apologized which required grace and a humble heart. Mr. Derush responded with warmth and openness. Why do others have to "evaluate" their sincerity. If we ask for forgiveness or accept apologies, it shows honor and class and a movement of the Father's Love. I know some are cynical of Mr. Derush (I have read many posts here), but may I say that I do respect his willingness to take a stand in what he believes. Though I have not met him personally, my father has and before he became ill, met several times with David and his wife and visited Vista and one other place. My father has always been a very good judge of character, and he holds them in high regard. Misti | ||
| nabashalam Intermediate Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 133 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 24.183.100.216 |
Misti, Does your father realize that Derush believes that your father is not saved and does not know God and never has nor has he known the Holy Spirit and the Jesus he believes in is a demon and that your father serves Satan? How could he hold someone like that in high regard? | ||
| truth_seeker New member Username: truth_seeker Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 74.140.182.9 |
Hello there daddysgirl, Misti! How is your daddy? I like the saying, "to err is human, to forgive is devine" Grace, love, humility, and forgiveness are devine in their very nature it seems! Your dad is a truly amazing example of these characteristics in the way he has been able to forgive others in the things he has shared here. David Derush is an amazing example of Yahshua's love, don't you think? A love that surrenders everything for God's will to be done and forgiveness granted. People criticize him for leaving his old life behind, buried in the ground, but didn't Yahshua set it up so that such was necessary in order to be his dicsiple? It's a hard teaching, but for the joy set before him, Yahshua endured the cross, and we know what high regard he received from his father as it is recorded, he then sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Care, truth_seeker | ||
| nabashalam Intermediate Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 134 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 24.183.100.216 |
http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/getting_started_pocm.html http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ | ||
| daddysgirl New member Username: daddysgirl Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 71.49.198.243 |
To Nabashalam. I seldom come here because the negativity of many people here is something I would arther not subject myself to. I realize you feel you have reasons for your feelings and I promise to pray for you that the Father will give you peace in whatever you search for. I am not doubting your word nor things Mr. Derush may say unless I know for sure. I feel if Mr. Derush does feel my father is a servant of satan that he will tell me so and I will then end any and all communications with anyone who would speak that way of my father. I don't know how Anyone who has ever met my father or talked to him can say he serves satan. That to me would be the gretest insult to a loving and caring man. The only reason I came on here after so long an absense is because a friend noticed this thread and she and I have discussed my fathers visits and impressions of the Twelve Tribes and she didnt understand the animosity toward Mr. Derush. I will be leaving this site for I have a desire to concentrate on a loving family more than debate. My prayers go out to you Nabashalam and Truth seeker. With all my love Misti | ||
| truth_seeker New member Username: truth_seeker Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 74.140.182.9 |
Thanks for the prayers, Misti! We can never have too many prayers for going out for us! I think about your dad sometimes and wonder about your family. So, I guess you could say that my prayers go out for you all too! with love in return, truth_seeker | ||
| unknownunsure New member Username: unknownunsure Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.49.198.243 |
Why is David Derush the only Twelve Tribe member you see on here? Are the other members not allow to comment? I have been reading some of his posts and would like some day to be able to sit down and talk to him and find out more about their beliefs. I think he sounds sometimes caring and sincere but sometimes too defensive and harsh. I detect what seems to be hatred toward him. That doesn't seem right somehow. If Yoneq is their leader, why does he not talk on here to explain peoples concerns? Mr. Nabashalam, aren't you being harsh referring to daddysgirl's father as serving satan? I've never heard of someone being so callous especially if they don't know him. What has daddysgirl's father done for the TT to consider him to be working for satan? | ||
| nabashalam Intermediate Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 138 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 24.183.100.216 |
You are mistaken! I did not say this! Its the common belief of all TT members that anyone who claims to be serving "Jesus" that are not a part of them are serving Satan! I know! I used to think that! Or rather I was taught to believe it! | ||
| soul1958 Junior Member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 47 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.9.66 |
Other TT members not being allowed to comment here IS NOT a restriction coming from FACTnet! It would have be coming from the TT side. (I have found, however, that none of them like to answer questions about themselves.) | ||
| unknownunsure New member Username: unknownunsure Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.49.198.243 |
Im sorry Nabashalam. I misunderstood. Why would they believe that if people dont join them they work for satan? | ||
| nabashalam Intermediate Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 139 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 24.183.100.216 |
Because they believe they are the only ones who actually serve "Yahshua" by giving up there lives completely, in community,to serve God. And that the "spirit" that works in ALL of the other "churches" is the spirit of the "Evil One". Funny thing is, there are many "communities" that do the same thing, live like the churches of Acts 2&4 that live the "common purse" way of life but thats not good enough for Yoneq to swallow. They have to be under HIS(Yoneq) rules and LAWS!!!! |
