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     davidderush New member Username: davidderush Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 70.181.222.24 |
Just in case someone on the Twelve Tribes board would like to know something about the Twelve Tribes (imagine that!)....here is what is currently going on with us, from one simple disciple's perspective: I see that we are growing, planting new communities constantly. I see that we are also growing in our passion to give all to love one another, just as our Master Yahshua gave all to love His disciples. I also see people being saved in ever increasing numbers. I am very glad to say that the four signs of those who truly follow the Lamb continue to be evident among us; 1. We love each other, living for one another daily rather than for ourselves, as our Master Yahshua commanded in John 13:34,35 and John 15:9-16. 2. We are learning to live with one mind and heart, just as our Master prayed in John 17:21-23. 3. We live in community as our Master Yahshua did with His disciples and as the early believers did in Acts 2:40-45 and Acts 4:32-35. 4. People continue to speak all manner of evil against us falsely, just as our Master Yahshua promised they would do of any who truly follow Him. (Matt. 5:11,12 and John 15:18-22) The glory of our Father can be clearly seen in the wonders of His creation... The glory of our Father and our Master Yahshua and of the Gospel can be clearly seen in a people who live together in the love of John 13:34,35 and the unity of John 17:21-23...those who are unwilling to see, deserve the darkness that comes upon them. Only fools say in their hearts, "there is no God". They will have an eternity of torment in which to regret their folly. I came to this life four and a half years ago, because I saw what my heart had yearned for for many years: I saw a people with good authority guiding them, loving each other and living together as one, as they strove together to give all to follow the One who gave all for us, and who truly deserves nothing less from us. I gave up everything to follow our Master Yahshua with this People; and for sure, I am so glad that I did. It was the best thing I ever did. Here, for those who are here with their whole heart, there is truly "joy unspeakable and full of glory". Here, all the promises of God are becoming "yes and amen" in my life and in the lives of my wonderful friends I share this life with. I am privileged to live with the most amazing people on earth...people for whom love matters more than anything else. I invite anyone who cares to know the truth about us to simply come and be with us. We would welcome you gladly! Feel free to email me at david@parchmentpress.net or just come and visit us at any of our communities. Here is the link to where we are: http://www.twelvetribes.com/whereweare/ We have come out with some very wonderful freepapers recently...for Christians, I plead with you, read and study, "The Stirring of the Heart; Where Did the Gospel Come From?" It is amazing. Here is the link to our latest freepapers in easily downloadable PDF format. http://www.twelvetribes.com/publications/-freepaper-archive.html Much love to all who truly desire to follow the Lamb in Spirit and in Truth. We yearn for you to be with us! Sincerely, David Derush | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 71 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
Now for the other point of view. "I plead with you!" and not just Christians! Please, for one moment, do not let the word "atheist" prejudicially close your mind and automatically cover your eyes. Read this and let me know your thoughts.... http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Sam_Harris/Atheist_Manifesto.html | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.120 |
That was a good post David , thanks . It would be great if you posted more often , there is a lot of negativity and misplaced pinned up anger on this message-board . Nabashalam , the atheist that wrote that manifesto wants God to eradicate suffering from the world . Nonetheless , “No pain , no gain “ . That is a fact of life that this atheist overlooked . Everything worth something is attained through a certain degree of suffering and pain . If this life is not all there is , then whatever suffering we experience here is simply a means to a wonderful end . The fire that tempers steel , tempers my soul for glory ( that’s the idea , and it makes more sense than what atheists are offering ) . Atheists reduce themselves to a meaningless accident , the result of a cosmic hiccup fourteen billion years ago . Life is inherently pointless and irrelevant , nothing more than random chemical reactions . It takes more faith to believe that , than to believe in a God , any day . Juan Bilbao | ||
| soul1958 New member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.8.180 |
I probably wouldn't be welcomed. But... Would you please elaborate with a few more specific details/facts of those things you "see" - growing in number, growing in passion, growing in size? [There are here some who demand evidence, otherwise, it's all just opinion to them.] signed "the Babylonian Harlot" | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.149 |
What type of evidence would meet your “demands” ? David was simply stating what he sees , and invites you to come and “see” for yourself . | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 74 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
I still think they havent grown past 3000 folks for years... I'd like to know the number that have left in their 30 year history... But they better be growing! They have less then 50 years to produce/propogate 144,000 virgin males! And how do they keep them virgins if they want to pump out these boys in 50 years? But facts, mathematics and reason are thrown out the door when you consider that "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." You gotta love that "Catch 22". | ||
| soul1958 New member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 19 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.8.180 |
One CEO of PR, "seeing" with rose-colored glasses, does not convince wise stockholders to invest. | ||
| soul1958 New member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 20 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.8.180 |
I don't see one statement to backup his observations. And I see nothing in the new Freepaper to help. (It's pretty much the same-old, same-old message that I read years ago. It's funny, but it didn't convince me when I was seriously seeking and David Pike was seriously proselytizing, either.) But hey, I'll take the bullet and spend my "eternity in torment," if TT can make their plan happen. (and I'm not a betting person!) signed the "Bablylonian Harlot" | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 75 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
"If I have been wrong in my agnosticism, when I die I'll walk up to God in a manly way and say, "Sir, I made an honest mistake." -Henry Louis Mencken | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.95 |
Regarding your appeal to “facts” . What facts are those ? I ask because , your comments about the "144,000 virgin males " aren't facts at all . Maybe within the next 50 years , they will implement a new , more intense evangelistic effort increasing their membership by 500 , even 5000 % (+ birth rate , easily 144,000 in half a century ) . A lot can happened in 50 years . They might also just re-interpret that passage differently in the future . The 1st century church believed Yeshua was going to return in their generation and he didn’t .( that doesn’t mean he never will ) . Believers can be wrong about many things , nevertheless it doesn’t necessarily imply that they are entirely off the mark on what is most important . God might not really care if they have mis-interpreted a certain passage in the Bible , provided that it doesn’t undermine their love and commitment for Yeshua and eachother . You also mentioned "math and reason" ……… It stands to reason that the wall in front of you is completely solid , and devoid of emptiness . Right ? But it’s not . According to modern physics the wall is mostly empty space : “One of the strangest things modern atomic theory has shown us is that what we commonly take to be the world of solid objects is for the most part empty space. That's right. Even something as reliable as a table, a brick, a baseball, even your body, is by and large just empty space. Why is that? It's because you, the baseball, and everything else is made up of atoms. And atoms themselves are mostly empty space.” From : http://amos.indiana.edu/library/scripts/space.html That seems pretty irrational , it's an accepted theory nonetheless.No one has ever seen this under a microscope or perceived it beyond mathematical equations , which are based on theories which are also based on other theories ( speculation ). That hard solid wall you see there in front of you , is virtually nothing more than empty space . ( what else have we not discovered , that may seem unreasonable to us now , but someday will be conidered a scientific fact ? Other dimensions ? God ? ) There might be aspects of reality that are imperceptible to our five senses , without the proper instrumentation , orientation and knowledge . Reason based on insufficient data can lead us down a rabbit trail of false suppositions, hence “reason” isn’t necessarily the sine qua non for reaching an accurate reading and picture of reality . We might need something else than our precious "reason" .... | ||
| julieanne New member Username: julieanne Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 81.179.242.184 |
Wrong? Mis-interpreted? The anointing NEVER makes mistakes. | ||
| julieanne New member Username: julieanne Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 81.179.242.184 |
That's a "fact" by the way. | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 76 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
OK Bilbo. Ive never heard so much hookie in my life! So its ok for them to make prophecies and claim that they are the only ones, the only way, the only ones in possession of the Holy Spirit and when they find out they are wrong they'll just say, "Oh! Sorry, we misinterpreted that and we want to change our stance now that we have all the facts...oh and by the way, the ones we "sent away" can come back now... all is forgiven. Oh, by the way, we were completely wrong about everything we've said. Sorry if we destroyed your whole life" And I am not wrong about their claim that they will raise up 144,00 male virgins to speak the Gospel one more time and then all be killed. Who are you anyway? Where do you get your "facts"? | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 77 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
Here are "Yoneqs" own words... "God is going to bring forth a male child ,144,000 virgin males, with absolutely no deceit in them. There will not be one lie in them. They will be just like Messiah. They will be so pure that fire comes out of their mouth and they will be righteously indignant." | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 78 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
This is from a unbiased educational website from the University of Virginia on new religious movements... "In preparing for the Millennial Kingdom, the communities define themselves as the lost and scattered tribes of the ancient Jews undergoing restoration in preparation for eternal life. They believe their communities are undergoing a process of purification which will take three generations to be ready for the Second Coming. In order to do this, they are increasing their numbers through conversions and childbearing (Palmer:334-335). The communities undergo two restoration processes that help them prepare for the "Messianic millennium." The first is a physical and cultural restoration, which is demonstrated by the physical and artistic culture that is symbolic of the first century Messianic Jews in the 20th century terms. Examples include geographic divisions into "tribes" based on location, music based on Israeli folk songs, and the adoption of some of the Jewish practices such as keeping the Sabbath, men growing beards, and adopting Hebrew names The second part of the restoration is the restoration of proper relationships. This restoration is found in two of Christ's statements: One must love God with all one's heart, soul, mind, and strength; and one must love one's neighbor as oneself. One should be willing to lay one's own life down for one's friends. this restoration is shown in their morning services called "sacrifices" in which they tell one another that they will let go of their own desires and aspirations and be concerned with the needs of others (Bozeman and Palmer:5-6). The structure of the group is set up with each local community being covered by a council of male elders from each household, with decisions being made based on hearing from both the brothers and sisters, consulting the Bible, and group prayer. Below the elders is an informal hierarchy of teachers, deacons,, deaconesses, and shepherds. In church, meetings, or gatherings, women wear scarves on their head to show their submission to their husbands and the male elders, who are under the "Master" (Palmer:335). Children also play an essential role in the group's beliefs for the future of their group. The community interprets the " the sins of the fathers will also be borne until third and fourth generations," as meaning that those living in the community, who do not willfully and flagrantly enter into sin will be effectively sanctified after three or four generations. So in about 50 to 70 years, the community will be able to send out 144,000 pure virgin males to preach during the final gathering of souls before the second coming of the Messiah (Bozeman and Palmer:6)." http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/tribes_arch.html | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.95 |
Soul : I don't see one statement to backup his observations. Jab : Again , what would constitute “backup” or meet your demands for evidence ? Mind you , he wasn’t writing a thesis or scientific paper . Personal statements expressing one’s personal perspective ( David wrote : “ here is what is currently going on with us, from one simple disciple's perspective “ ) don’t necessarily require “backup” . He invites readers to visit a community and see for themselves , come to their own conclusions . Soul : And I see nothing in the new Freepaper to help. (It's pretty much the same-old, same-old message that I read years ago. It's funny, but it didn't convince me when I was seriously seeking and David Pike was seriously proselytizing, either.) Jab : You need “help” soul ( we all do , to a certain extent ) ? What type of message did you expect , from the twelve tribes “Freepaper “ ? Zen Buddhism ? The latest news on Iraq ? ……Of course it’s the “same-old” message , so ? Is everything “ old” bad ? When you add the word “old” it becomes a bad message ha ? , only “ new “ messages are good ? Did you expect a new message Soul ? Why ? If it didn’t convince you when you were seriously seeking , then why even waist your precious time reading it now when you’re no longer seeking ? Or “seriously” seeking ? Soul : But hey, I'll take the bullet and spend my "eternity in torment," if TT can make their plan happen. (and I'm not a betting person!) Jab : I might end up there with you soul but don’t worry , I’ll bring the BarBQ sauce and onion rings . | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.95 |
If the TT way of life isn’t for you , then it’s not for you ? It might be for somebody else . I spent a month with them as a guest , lived and worked with them . I consider it a positive experience , and hold no serious gripes . No human community is perfect . Anyone expecting perfection is setting themselves up for a serious disappointment . I’ve lived in Hindu Ashrams in India , a Buddhist monastery in Nepal , Jewish Kibbutz in Israel , Sufi village in Egypt ……. The Twelve Tribes actually stand out from the rest , in as far as fellowship and hospitality . I like their Sabbath services , and their daily sharing sessions , something I didn’t experience in any other community . I now live alone and go to school . I realized after living in many different communities that a male’s happiness and emotional stability within such an environment is highly dependent on what useful skills he knows . How useful is he ? The more useful he is , the better his experience will probably be . This is true for all males , across the board , in all communities ( women are judged by a whole different set of standards ….”is she single , is she pretty , does she like children , is she good with children , can she teach .etc” ) Did he go to a community at the age of 35 or 40 , without a trade or skill , without any useful assets ? Then he will probably end up washing dishes for the rest of his life . The community will most probably invest most of it’s resources on the younger folks . You learning a skill , that will give you a bit more leverage , security , respect .etc will depend on whether others consider you worth the investment ( so don’t hold your breath ) . So , being promoted from being a dish washer to an electricist is highly unlikely . There are plenty of young men in the community , who will be considered for such training before you . If you have no useful skills then trimming trees , cutting grass , cleaning toilets , washing dishes , all of those wonderful jobs are yours . While the other guy , who might of just entered the community a week ago , who has 10 years computer programming experience , flash website designer , a computer engineering degree .etc Ends up with his own computer workstation , in an air-conditioned office ! That’s Life . This is true in ALL communities that I’ve been in . It’s human and it’s normal . I suspect that there are a lot of Mr Know-Nothings on this forum , who went to the TT thinking they were going to have a cake-walk fairy tail life , and rather ended up pealing potatoes for 4 years at a TT restaurant . They got there broke , no assets , no skills , no talent , then they complain , “ brother so and so has a cell phone , he spends the whole day in an air-conditioned office in front of a computer … He travels a lot …he has a lap top … He drives a lot …he got married before I did …” Well that’s Life . Can you all stop whining about the TT already . Juan Bilbao | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.95 |
If the TT way of life isn’t for you , then it’s not for you ? It might be for somebody else . I spent a month with them as a guest , lived and worked with them . I consider it a positive experience , and hold no serious gripes . No human community is perfect . Anyone expecting perfection is setting themselves up for a serious disappointment . I’ve lived in Hindu Ashrams in India , a Buddhist monastery in Nepal , Jewish Kibbutz in Israel , Sufi village in Egypt ……. The Twelve Tribes actually stand out from the rest , in as far as fellowship and hospitality . I like their Sabbath services , and their daily sharing sessions , something I didn’t experience in any other community . I now live alone and go to school . I realized after living in many different communities that a male’s happiness and emotional stability within such an environment is highly dependent on what useful skills he knows . How useful is he ? The more useful he is , the better his experience will probably be . This is true for all males , across the board , in all communities ( women are judged by a whole different set of standards ….”is she single , is she pretty , does she like children , is she good with children , can she teach .etc” ) Did he go to a community at the age of 35 or 40 , without a trade or skill , without any useful assets ? Then he will probably end up washing dishes for the rest of his life . The community will most probably invest most of it’s resources on the younger folks . You learning a skill , that will give you a bit more leverage , security , respect .etc will depend on whether others consider you worth the investment ( so don’t hold your breath ) . So , being promoted from being a dish washer to an electricist is highly unlikely . There are plenty of young men in the community , who will be considered for such training before you . If you have no useful skills then trimming trees , cutting grass , cleaning toilets , washing dishes , all of those wonderful jobs are yours . While the other guy , who might of just entered the community a week ago , who has 10 years computer programming experience , flash website designer , a computer engineering degree .etc Ends up with his own computer workstation , in an air-conditioned office ! That’s Life . This is true in ALL communities that I’ve been in . It’s human and it’s normal . I suspect that there are a lot of Mr Know-Nothings on this forum , who went to the TT thinking they were going to have a cake-walk fairy tail life , and rather ended up pealing potatoes for 4 years at a TT restaurant . They got there broke , no assets , no skills , no talent , then they complain , “ brother so and so has a cell phone , he spends the whole day in an air-conditioned office in front of a computer … He travels a lot …he has a lap top … He drives a lot …he got married before I did …” Well that’s Life . Can you all stop whining about the TT already . Juan Bilbao | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.95 |
That’s Bilbao not Bilbo . Even the 12 apostles weren’t always right . So , if half a century from now they decide to re-interpret , to adopt a new understanding , that’s fine . There is so much more to their way of life , and beliefs , than one passage in the book of revelations . If you can’t see that , then keep grinding your “ I hate TT “ axe all you want . More , the above assumes they will not meet the deadline of 50 years . As I pointed out earlier , they might very well fulfill that prophecy to the letter . So your whole critique is groundless. | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 79 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
All I just read is true. Fine and dandy...IF it were just a secular community. Why did you leave out the coercive tactics and religious blackmail of fear and guilt? "You join use or you burn! You leave us you burn!" What you described happens in everyday life and not just in communities! But these folks tout "all things in common"! In a pigs eye! And you Mr. High and Mighty sound like you were born with a silver spoon in your but and could come and go as you pleased. And I see you didn't stick around for long with the nice tribesmen! Ruin our manicure in the dishwater did we? The damage this group does goes far beyond physical discomfort... And if you were so educated on what really goes on there like you think you are and realized the mental, spiritual and emotional injuries that must be healed after breaking the bonds of total control these people wield over you, then you wouldn't be shooting your mouth off like some communal know it all or some hack that writes campsite reviews for triple A. Do you even know what a destructive high control group is? or what it can do to a human life? So pick up a few courses and read a few books on mind control and put your daddys money to good use... Better yet! Save his money and go to the home page here at FACTNet and learn something for free! | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 80 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
Sorry Mr Baggins... "they might very well fulfill that prophecy to the letter" The aliens who built the pyramids in Egypt and South America might very well return and make us breeding stock for their main source of protein! Yoneq has made many false prophecies already and should have been stoned years ago, and not for the false prophecies but for the families he has torn apart and destroyed. | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 8 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.95 |
I don’t blame you for getting personal , that’s all you have left . You blame the TTs for your own stupidity , then get angry when others point that out to you . You’ve made some rather silly remarks about me being born with a silver spoon in my butt . and living off of “daddys” money ( probably a self projection of yours ) . I was born to a poor immigrant family in the worse neighborhood in town . Everything I have today , financially is thanks to my own efforts . Since I don’t know you from a hole in the wall , nor do I care to , I will stop there . Didn’t you apologize to the TT , in a long drawn out post here about a year ago ? When you tried to return , and they denied you , you reverted by to your pathetic whining and hatemongering . That’s you . | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.95 |
jabilbao <---- takes out the violen "....Yoneq has made many false prophecies already and should have been stoned years ago, and not for the false prophecies but for the families he has torn apart and destroyed" Stop whining and move on ........ | ||
| sabbathkeeper New member Username: sabbathkeeper Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 64.24.146.163 |
 Shalom! I sense we ALL need true peace that only "comes" from the Father!! I have been taught by a teacher of the Kabbalah for the last 12 months or so and yes there truly can be be mistakes in our walk and more then one understanding of Torah! We all NEED to forgive and be patient with each other!! Yes "cults", Famlies and whatever have harmed, hurt and "destroyed" others through out history and it's WRONG!! But it's reality!! This forum can help each other or we need to leave! Mr. DD does know how to start a "thead" Thomas P. Quinn Shalom Shalom Which means perfect peace | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 81 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
JB, For all anyone knows, everything that has come out of your mouth is fiction and you sure havent proven anything here. Do you realize what this website is here for? It seems you've mistaken it for a Cult Apologetics Board. Do you even know what FACTNet stands for? Your blatant act of ignoring facts is glaring and only shines a light on your pathetic ignorance of the truth. Thats the only point that I see you making here. Yes I take it personally when someone talks about something they know nothing of, and belittles those who are actually suffering from the damage that these groups cause. nabashalam-----takes out his 2x4 | ||
| davidderush New member Username: davidderush Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 70.181.222.24 |
It seems as if David Pike (Nabashalam) is resorting to bullying and "coercive tactics" once again....on the "Fight AGAINST Coercive Tactics" board....in an attempt to bully and coerce anyone from speaking any truth here that doesn't happen to fit in with his own personal views. It is what everyone who comes here expects to find, thanks to him and others like him...and why so few come here anymore. Here were David Pike's pleading words a short while ago on this board...under the heading, "Hello? Please come back!!!!": Posted (by Nabashalam [David Pike]) on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 7:28 pm: (Nabashalam writes)... I was looking at the past several weeks of posts here, rather the lack of posts and it showed that I was always the one with the final word. That and the fact that my good friend Annie Nonomous had been absent for a long time and came back to state that I had most likely taken away all the credibility here with my antics, rude comments and behavior. And some stuff that should have never went public. Never! This has reminded me of how my life turned into when I was an alcoholic. I had alienated all my friends and even lost my career, wife and children. Then I met the tribes! I want to apologize to everyone here... I dont want to be that "mean old man" that scares all the kids from playing around his house. For one thing this is not my house!... I have demonstrated the exact symptoms of a "dry drunk" here and I no longer want to do that. I pray that Yall can turn this around and make this into a house of caring and healing once again. I know I cant... Everyone, Please forgive me... (end of David Pike's (Nabashalam's) apparently meaningless and insincere apology) ----------------------- This is David Derush again. I personally know Juan Bilbao...and know for a fact he has visited and lived with us for a month. I communicated with him myself, via phone and email, a number of times starting about four years ago. He has posted on this board off and on for just as long... He certainly has just as much right to state his opinion about the Twelve Tribes, as anyone...and more authority to speak than many here who throw around their opinions even though they have never spent any significant amount of time with us at all. And since he is not a covenant breaker...he has no incentive to demonize those he broke covenant with, in order to justify himself...as those who have made covenant and broken it tend to do. He can be objective. I am thankful that words only have weight if you live them. Our Master Yahshua lived His words even unto death, and that is why His words are the weightiest ever spoken...and why we love Him. We want to be like that...we want our words to line up with His words...and we want our life to match His words as much as His did. The truth is, there is clear coercion and manipulation going on right here on this board all the time....but in the wonderful life that I share with my friends in the Twelve Tribes every day, I never see such bullying and manipulation. I see people loving each other daily at great cost and caring for the weak, and listening to one another with a sincerity that causes them to submit to one another in love...things I don't see on this board at all. Truth is truth....and will stand, come what may, no matter what anyone says against it. Sincerely, David Derush | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.182 |
Nab : JB, For all anyone knows, everything that has come out of your mouth is fiction and you sure havent proven anything here. Jab : Well , as far as I know , nothing has come out of my mouth . I’m using this here keyboard I bought at Radioshack not to long ago . You can check my IP address location . that may give you an indication if I’m telling you the truth about traveling the world to visit different communities . Just a mere indication of course . Hey , I might not even be a real person at all . I’m an interactive software program , created by Yoneq , to come after you on this forum . Yep . More …. Likewise , for all anyone knows , everything that has come out of your keyboard , is nothing more than “fiction” . Nab : Do you realize what this website is here for? Jab : Let’s see , let me guess……Twelve Tribes Bashing ? A place for disgruntled EX-TT members , who feel sorry for themselves , to find each-other and feel sorry for themselves collectively ? “ Poohoo , TT is so bad , bad bad TT . I’m so depressed , TTs , destroyed my life , TTs , singing and dancing in circles , playing flutes , I can’t get them out of my head , TTs , ETs , yeah , I’ve been abducted by the TTs , I live amongst heaping stacks of old TT Freepapers , can’t get rid of them even when I try , they’ve taken control of my mind , they’ve entered my consciousness in little wooden boats ….can’t take a shower , no hot water , little TTs in my pipes , I have little TTs in my pipes ( sing along folks ) …” Please … Do they have that much power over you ? (((((((“they’ve destroyed my life” !!!!!!! ))))))))) Give it a break . Nab : It seems you've mistaken it for a Cult Apologetics Board. Do you even know what FACTNet stands for? Jab : I havn’t mistaken it for anything . People are in here spewing a bunch of trite garbage , nonsense about TT and about David . I don’t like it , so I’m here to shake it up . Oh yeah . Nab : Your blatant act of ignoring facts Jab : “ blatant act of ignoring facts “ … Well , it’s not good when “facts” are being ignored ? Ha ? Yeah , those “facts “ . Nab : …..is glaring and only shines a light on your pathetic ignorance of the truth. Jab : Enlighten me as to what this “truth” is , that I so pathetically ignore ? I sincerely doubt it will amount to anything more than the usual vacuous exaggerations and trumped-up-stories about the “nefarious TTs” and how they : “ destroyed , annihilated , vaporized the lives , families , whole worlds and galaxies have been obliterated ………“ . Even you , under your nick “ Ex-Yathed “ , confessed to the TTs in that long , well written ( very revealing ) apology , that you were being deceitful and dishonest . You now want to blame them for all your problems because they didn’t accept you back . Move on and let it go mr . Nab : Thats the only point that I see you making here. Jab : You have the right to see as you wish …….. Nab : Yes I take it personally when someone talks about something they know nothing of, and belittles those who are actually suffering from the damage that these groups cause. Jab : “These groups “ ? Twelve tribes is one group . Your pity party polemic against the Twelve Tribes belittles the many people who are happy and content living in the tribes and have done nothing to anyone . Nab : nabashalam-----takes out his 2x4 Jab : Jabilbao ------ make my day . | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.182 |
Maybe Nab isn’t Ex-Yathed ? If he isn’t then , we have two TT bashers that have admitted they are wrong ! Even better . | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 82 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
So your in Cairo, Egypt. Am I suppose to be impressed? It just strengthens my silver spoon theory. Now I see your in Derushs' camp. Oh! Even though you didnt make and break a "covenant" with them, do you realise that they believe that after you heard from a "sent one" (David Derush) and did not believe what he said and didnt "give up your life" to them (guess you couldnt give up your jet-setting lifestyle) that you are now condemned to burn eternally? I guess Derush forgot to tell you that little fact. He must still have hope that you will come to your spiritual senses and surrender all those "hard earned" finances to their coffers and peel potatoes for them, unless of course you have computer skills or the gift of gab that he does and you get the "perks" of the bourgeoisie. At least I had the gumption to "give my all" for many years to something I thought was "Gods will" for me. My letter of apology and repentance from 2 1/2 years ago is the living proof that people suffer from the "battered spouse syndrome" after leaving. Some long to return to a relationship even though they know is unhealthy but can't help themselves because they love the people. Speaking of broken covenants, ask Derush about the one he made to his ex-wife who followed him from community to community for years. All communities he claimed "this is the one!". She finally said "enough is enough" and refused to follow him into another "we are the only way" groups. Ah! But alas, all covenants made before meeting the "only ones" were null and void! Yes, I admit I can be a bully here but its not for meanness sake or "whining" as you so like to put it. Its to shake some sense into people who are considering joining this seemingly innocuous group whose underside is insidiously toxic. I would like to invite all those who read these rantings of mine to come from out of the shadows for a moment and be an eye witness for the case against the Tribes and testify to the damage they have seen in the Tribes. The families, the husbands, the wifes, the children, the infirm and even the healthy. Also the families and friends left behind. You know its almost funny but a friend of mine (yeah I still got a few left and they are the unconditional type and I love them to death) told me they notice that when I start to post without bringing my bitterness to the table and start making good and sound points, the apologists and current TT gurus get nervous and show up for damage control! So my fellow ex-members, we have them here now, I think I've gottem on the ropes, so please jump in and help me pin them down. Im out numbered! | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.141 |
Part 1 Nab : So your in Cairo, Egypt. Am I suppose to be impressed? Jab : You’re suppose to …?? You can do or think whatever you want , for all I care . Nab : …It just strengthens my silver spoon theory. Jab : Yeah , you got it . Nab : Now I see your in Derushs' camp. Oh! Jab : And you’re in the whiner’s hate mongering camp ? Nab : Even though you didnt make and break a "covenant" with them, do you realise that they believe that after you heard from a "sent one" (David Derush) and did not believe what he said and didnt "give up your life “ to them…… Jab : Yeah …………..??? Nab : (guess you couldnt give up your jet-setting lifestyle) Jab : That’s right , I just couldn’t give up all of that fun in the sun . Me , Mr Jet-Set , Oh yeah ;o) ……….. Nab : that you are now condemned to burn eternally? I guess Derush forgot to tell you that little fact. Jab : David Derush has a God given , constitutional right to believe whatever he wants . God Bless America . Nab : He must still have hope that you will come to your spiritual senses and surrender all those "hard earned" finances to their coffers and peel potatoes for them….. Jab : Yep . Point ? Nab : unless of course you have computer skills or the gift of gab that he does and you get the "perks" of the bourgeoisie. Jab : A computer programmer would need a computer to do his job , a diesel mechanic might need an expensive set of tools and a well equipped shop , someone with the “gift of gab” might be placed in a sales and marketing position , which requires traveling , a cell phone , maybe even a laptop .etc . Nothing wrong with that ( you can define that as “perks” if you want .. ) Nab : At least I had the gumption to "give my all" for many years to something I thought was "Gods will" for me. Jab : Oh yeah at least you did that . Good for you . | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.141 |
Part 2 Nab : My letter of apology and repentance from 2 1/2 years ago is the living proof that people suffer from the "battered spouse syndrome" after leaving. Some long to return to a relationship even though they know is unhealthy but can't help themselves because they love the people. Jab : “My letter of apology and repentance from 2 ½ years ago is the living proof “ that you can’t be trusted . Dave Pike , the poor little victim , coming up with more lame excuses for his crummy inconsistent behavior . Hey , who’s to say whether or not what you are telling us now isn’t another product of your psychosis ? Maybe you’re the problem , not the TTs ( ever considered that ? Oh yes , you have ! …and it’s expressed in your letter ) . Nab Speaking of broken covenants, ask Derush about the one he made to his ex-wife who followed him from community to community for years. All communities he claimed "this is the one!". She finally said "enough is enough" and refused to follow him into another "we are the only way" groups. Ah! But alas, all covenants made before meeting the "only ones" were null and void! Jab : Oh OK , is that how it happened Nab ? I’m sure you know ;o) . Nab : Yes, I admit I can be a bully here but its not for meanness sake or "whining" as you so like to put it. Jab : Nab you’re a “bully” that’s right , a stinking bully . No one is obligated to put up with your bullish “dry drunk antics “ . Nab : Its to shake some sense into people Jab : Shake some sense into yourself first . Nab : who are considering joining this seemingly innocuous group whose underside is insidiously toxic . Jab : ……“insidiously toxic “ , I couldn’t describe you better . Nab : I would like to invite all those who read these rantings of mine…… to come from out of the shadows .for a moment and be an eye witness for the case against the Tribes and testify to the damage they have seen in the Tribes. The families, the husbands, the wifes, the children, the infirm and even the healthy. Jab : Inviting everyone down into the shadows of your own psychosis , nab ? You offer this forum nothing more than a bunch of mellow dramatic nonsense . Nab : Also the families and friends left behind. Jab : A lot of “families and friends” need to come to terms with the fact that their love ones and friends have chosen the TTs as their way of life . That would probably resolve a lot of conflict , for everybody . Nab : You know its almost funny but a friend of mine (yeah I still got a few left and they are the unconditional type and I love them to death) Jab : It’s “Almost funny” ..that’s right . Nab : told me they notice that when I start to post without bringing my bitterness to the table and start making good and sound points the apologists and current TT gurus get nervous and show up for damage control! Jab : “Good and sound points” , would be most appreciated . Nab : So my fellow ex-members, we have them here now, I think I've gottem on the ropes, Jab : He’s just not a bully , he’s delusional bully … Nab : so please jump in and help me pin them down. Im out numbered … Jab : WWF cage match ? | ||
| jabilbao New member Username: jabilbao Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 196.205.35.206 |
Nab , I’m going to do something else now , much more interesting and enjoyable than going back and forth with you (... you can now go ahead reach your own twisted , incoherent , silly conclusions , without me . ) . You’re going to have the last word ! How about that buddy ? You win ! | ||
| beenthereonehat New member Username: beenthereonehat Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 137.118.152.104 |
Just a couple corrections and suggestions here. 1. The 50 year prophecy was given several years ago. It is amazing how many times Gene has been off and I have yet to here him admit it. 2. I believe they are less than 3000 significantly. 3. jabilbao cannot make a serious conclusion in only one month as those of us know who have lived among them many years and have successfuly moved on and have atained a healthy balanced well being can attest to the deep disfunction of the majority of followers and the severe psychosis of the leaders and those who are carefully placed in authority. 4. I would challenge people like jabilbao who seem to be of an open yet of strong mind to take them upon their word. Move in, be one with them in all things, give yourself 1000% and see what happens. 5. Most outsiders believers and non-believers alike seem to agree that the tt is a tree bareing mostly bad fruit. 6. It is almost sad how clear and simple the measures that the leadership need to take to get on the right track and repent. They have to long embraced the proverbial angel of light to see the darkness within. | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
Thanks one hat. Here is a "free paper" full of documented historic facts... http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 85 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
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| sabbathkeeper New member Username: sabbathkeeper Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 64.24.149.177 |
 My goodness! DANGEROUS!!! EVERY and I mean EVERY group of ANY kind can be dangerous!! The Romanists' killed millions in the name of religion; Communists' killed millions; and of coarse other religions and poltical groups have done similiar "evil" doings! Yes Naba and others have gone through "hell" in their lives because of religion,( but people have been "raped" mentally and spiritually since the "Beginning" by Family,religionists', or any group ) but I hope that true PEACE from the Eternal One and of coarse through other humans will continue in your life!You probably think I'm a nut case or maybe a TTer, but I'm not, just another human trying to live our time out on earth and hopefully loving a few others along "the Way". TQ | ||
| nabashalam Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 86 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
Its not just the "extremists" we need to worry about, its the moderates that scare me! http://www.beliefnet.com/story/153/story_15332_1.html | ||
| soul1958 New member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 21 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.8.180 |
Well, I noticed that “magic” has kept my question from getting answered: Would you please elaborate with a few more specific details/facts of those things you "see" - growing in number, growing in passion, growing in size? You know how magic works, folks. Grab your audience’s attention -> over here! And they don’t see what you’re doing <- over there. I asked a simple question -> over here, and a puppet pops up and creates a commotion <- over there. I STILL haven’t seen any answer to my question <-over> over there, and a distraction in the form of a lesson in Physical Science -> -> WAY over there. And then, from there...well, as you can see... the Pied Piper shut the door and left most of you talking amongst yourselves about.... NOT TT.... <- over here. SO I ask DURUSH again: VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV -> -> -> Will you please elaborate with a few more specific details/facts of those things you "see" - growing in number, growing in passion, growing in size? <- <- <- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tell me, how many babies have been born to TT members in the last, say, 30 years? Or, how about, how many baptisms have taken place in the last... 15 years? And how many of those people are still in the TT? Or, how many Social Security Numbers you have on record? And why not include the year-by-year numbers of baptisms, so we can see the “ever increasing” numbers? Or, the year-by-year numbers of new communities being planted, so we can see how “constant” those plantings are? (I’m not going to ask you show the love and passion you see, as those are about as hard and solid as a wall, and as difficult to explain as, say, modern atomic theory.) And BTW, I’m not one who is whining about the TT did or didn’t do to/for/in/with my life – b/c I never let them near my life. | ||
| formerly_taom New member Username: formerly_taom Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 96.224.56.216 |
This is Ta'om I lived in the TT for almost 5 years maybe more I met david derush at the event in DC I can attest that the edah is growing in number families, friends, I cant wait to see when the whole world is filled with prophets from the TT they are the only group on the face of the earth who practice what they preach. I love and miss you all. And to all the haters out there your questions will always go unanswered because you dont have the ears to hear (could be) :P | ||
| soul1958 New member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.8.180 |
more smoke and mirrors!? Sending in more clowns!? Answer the questions! We hear empirical data. Numbers speak for themselves. Let a child answer - | ||
| soul1958 New member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.8.180 |
Ta'om, How old were you when you joined TT and why did you leave? Did you drop out of school to join them? What are you doing now? Have you finished your eduction? Why don't you go back to the TT? | ||
| soul1958 New member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 75.100.8.180 |
DERUSH (sorry, I just noticed I have been mis-spelling your name. ) But don't overlook the questions ABOVE that obviously are directed to you. | ||
| beenthereonehat New member Username: beenthereonehat Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 137.118.225.46 |
"This is Ta'om I lived in the TT for almost 5 years maybe more I met david derush at the event in DC I can attest that the edah is growing in number families, friends," Hello Taom, I appreciate your response, however, can you also attest to the many who leave?? To the many famlies and friends who are broken down and broken up?? And let us be very honest and real about the friends you have in the edah.. how close did you get and how long did it last?? "I cant wait to see when the whole world is filled with prophets from the TT they are the only group on the face of the earth who practice what they preach." This is simply not true dear one. Maybe you are young or uneducated or perhaps have not traveled enough to know. "I love and miss you all." Then why are you not with them?? "And to all the haters out there your questions will always go unanswered because you dont have the ears to hear (could be) :P" You have clearly learned well how to judge those you know not. As far as I am able to understand the only judgment allowed in truth, is to judge ourselves. | ||
| truth_seeker New member Username: truth_seeker Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 74.140.188.26 |
McSteve, Actually, David Derush posted this update of life in the twelve tribes precisely 6 months after your prophesy. Yoneq's supposive heart attack was just recently, well after 6 months from the time you spoke of... |
