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be_happy
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Username: be_happy
Post Number: 2
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 168.158.181.143
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 6:28 pm: | 
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Hi there everyone. Some time ago there was discussion about Carman and a lawsuit. In the legal documents filed, there was information that Feed The Children Organization gave Carman Ministries one million dollars for one of the "tours". I am just wondering what would people think of that.
I can't help but think that when I see starving children (or adult children of God) and am moved to donate that I want my money to go directly to the cause of feeding those people.
When I hear of money being used elsewhere other than the intended(and I'm not even arguing the value of where it it being placed, just that it is not where I would have wanted my money to go.), I can't help but wonder if other people would feel betrayed if they knew.
There was a part in the lawsuit that said that this contribution was to be confidential but that it had been leaked by one or the other of the parties.
When I hear of things like this going on and being kept quiet intentionally, it shakes my faith in those organizations and what am I supposed to think.
I'd hate to give my hard earned money to an organization in the expectation that children are being fed and have it go to pay a man's road expenses while he tries to further his career.
Anyone got any more facts? |
wingsaglow
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Username: wingsaglow
Post Number: 14
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.213.146.27
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 6:47 pm: |
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Why you want to hear gossip? Why don't you ask him yourself instead of bringing your questions here?
I will however say this to you. How many free concerts have you gone to? Is a man worthy of his hire?
I do know those answers do you?
So next time take your hard earned money right over there yourself. All organizations tell you where the money goes, and it may surprize you just how many do you think really does anything for free?
As for major concerts yeah I do know the answers to that and it's that he does all concerts for free, and if you want to get in earlier then pay up your meager $10 dollars.
As for shaking faith why not ask all of those other organizations where the money really goes, and you might hake right off your stoole.
A man is worthy of his hire so if you have issues take it up with him, and not here.
You're just trying to stir up more dung and it stinks take a hike.
Sorry everyone, but it's people like this that come to my site everyday trying to get any new info for their burning ears. I'm tired of it and people like this that are always trying to get more gossip started. So get lost, and be_happy with what you still got left of your hard earned money Please!
As for me I'll still feed the hungry everytime I see them right in my own back yard right on the streets. If you don't like the way it was speant then don't give it what ever. |
be_happy
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Username: be_happy
Post Number: 3
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 168.158.181.143
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 8:18 pm: |
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Well, angry isn't she! Kind of interesting watching wingsaglow getting her exercise ----JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.
I did ask Carman Ministries to explain. Guess what I got, ABSOLUTELY NO REPLY.
Perhaps, I should have asked Larry Jones and Feed The Children Organization. That may be the next step, since Carman Ministries didn't respond.
I am glad wingsaglow knows all the answers.
I just wonder how many people out there know where that money really is going?
Thank God for free speach in this country. I decideded to take this issue up anywhere there are people who might want to know or might want to explain.
You all know pretty well how far it will get you to go straight to CM. If they won't talk about it, maybe we should!!!!
Wingsaglow, how about if you report back to us about where all that money (the hundreds of millions of dollars)that Feed The Children takes in goes. Since, you know, it should be an easy report for you.
By the way, did Carman ever tell you about the outcome of the legal proceedings against him? I know.
Maybe that will be the next topic. Stay tuned. Oh, by the way, I'm a patient person, my last post previous to today's was more than two years ago. So don't get too excited. Oh, by the way, it's all public record.
Have a great day! |
abouttime
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Username: abouttime
Post Number: 5
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 68.114.156.82
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 9:01 am: |
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Be_Happy,
I have looked into this myself not just with this ministry but others I have given to in the past including feed the children and Carman Ministries. In a way wings is right we don't know what the ministries or organizations do with the money but in all cases if we give for the right reason we have done what we where called to do if the funds are misused or abused then the ones doing the abusing will be head accountable sooner or later and in many cases it is coming very soon as more and more question and God reveals what he sees. Feed the Children are continously on TV therefore a lot of money goes in that direction- if at Carman's concerts they collected food, distributed food- and Carman did the info spots he was hired to do what he did- if he needed the funds to do concerts then it was a wise decision the money is still in the body of Christ- reaching people as it was intented. The lawsuit I believe came from a portion of the funds being in the wrong hands or maybe the right.
Of course where part of it probably came from was the selling of a list of addresses- they have said many times they got over a million in the data base- so a million names to people who go to free concerts and give 10 or 15 or 600 dollars- it's a wise investment for FT Children. |
wingsaglow
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Username: wingsaglow
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.213.146.27
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:06 am: |
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Oh man that was said so much better than mine thank U for saying what I meant to say. Abouttime, U said exactly what I mean.
I also said if anyone oesn't like the idea of where their hard earned money went. Then take your hard earned money and go right into your own back yard where hungry people, and hurting people will be found every where that U look. Unless You live way out in the mountains where no other souls live (+:
Again thank U abouttime for saying it the right way.
God bless U
Wingsy |
hope_faith_and_love
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Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.207.189.16
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 1:52 pm: |
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I believe the law suit was by someone who wanted the money donated by the Christian organization Feed the Children for himself. But, the money donated was used to help pay for Carman Ministries evangelistic outreach. Unlike the person who brought the lawsuit who wanted the money for himself, Carman did not benefit personally from this money. Feed the Children gave as freely as they have been given. This sounds like one of the few charities that has maintained a heart for people and a heart for Jesus Christ. How many charities began with a heart for Jesus Christ but believed they could get more money if they left Jesus out? As Christians more than ever we should support Feed the Children, not just with our finances but also with our gratitude for their faithfulness and desire in helping to spread the Gospel. How many Christian charities, hospitals and colleges began with the utmost desire to use what God had entrusted them to do over time forgot Jesus Christ and God? As Christians we must recognize what behappy wants to do by this post. When I sat down to write this I was afraid that if I posted this I would only cause more trouble for Feed the Children if I pointed out they were a Christian affiliated charity. It is this "fear" of controversy that has made many people and organizations deny Christ. Encourage one another in Christ, what behappy is doing reveals why this is so critical. Many believers even now believe that their faith in Christ should be kept to themselves ... They will do good but no longer acknowledge Jesus Christ... They believe that keeping Christ out isn't that big a deal as long as they keep doing the good that they first began. They believe that the "good" is all that pleases God even over the spread of the Gospel... This is what many Christians on factnet believe. |
be_happy
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Username: be_happy
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 168.158.181.143
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 9:13 pm: |
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Hope faith and love wrote: Unlike the person who brought the lawsuit who wanted the money for himself, Carman did not benefit personally from this money.
This is an untrue statement.
You are uninformed about Carman's motives and misinformed and /or totally uninformed about the lawsuit and the facts. Do you even know the name of the Plaintiff? When I have more time, I will post important aspects from the pleadings. You state only your misguided opinions in blind defense of someone when you know nothing at all about the situation; nor do you even care to know. How unfortunate for you.
The issue isn't whether or not it was good business for Feed The Children to give ONE MILLION DOLLARS to Carman Ministry, the issue was one of truth and trust. Why was this transaction supposed to be kept confidential? Would the donators feel BETRAYED if they gave their money for food for starving people and had it go to Carman for his own use? |
abouttime
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Username: abouttime
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 68.114.156.82
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 6:08 pm: |
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Rendy, Carman, Feed the Children 250,000.00. There is a lawsuit now going on in Florida with 2 of the three. Was it meant to be confidential it should have been confidential- did they give money to feed staving children- did they take up food at the concerts- I know they did at some- what is the cost of a info commerical- was Carman paid to do the Feed the Children segments if so what does it cost to have a major entertainer like the Oak Ridge Boys do the same or did they donate the time. Did feed the children sponsor some of it or all of it- this is all business details.
If it went to Rendy it wasn't going to Feed Children. Does all the money going to St Jude go for research no they have other cost but they help many children everyday with research done- the same with Feed the children--I know I see the Feed the Children trucks around -they are at every major national emergency and there is no larger or more of a major emergency than where our youth and young people are headed. If Carman can help with that then more power to them.
Wings is right if you want to know for sure the where the money you give goes- look in your neighborhood or church- there are hungry everywhere if however you can't do that and you have to trust- then you have to trust your own heart and believe if Larry Jones has integrity then he would not give money where it is not going to be used for it's purpose. And if it wasn't used for what it was suppose to you have to believe God will expose that and when it does if Larry, Rendy or Carman is wrong then he will reveal it- in his time and I assure you many will soon vindicated-- including Carman Ministries. |
wingsaglow
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Username: wingsaglow
Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.213.146.27
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 7:39 pm: |
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God bless U abouttime, and that's what I mean if they don't like it. If they don't like it then don't give it. Go outside your own back yard like I o and feed the homeless. I also do this all the time so here's another thought.
When I have been in a fast food line up and I look behind me at the people there. I can always tell who is having it hard, and I'll buy their meal. Now there's a blessing to pass along, and in return it's a wonderful feeling to bless others.
May God bless U abouttime
Love
Wingsy |
revelation
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Username: revelation
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 70.125.82.110
| | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 10:21 am: |
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ummm just maybe "GOD" told Larry Jones where to give his money..now lets try to be like God and fi this out. |
hope_faith_and_love
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Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 5
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.207.189.16
| | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 4:44 pm: |
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The money given to Carman Ministries from Feed the Children was only from money which was taken up during the concerts that people put in the envelopes for Feed the Children. These envelopes remained closed until handed over to Feed the Children. How much was received only those from Feed the Children would know. Feed the Children was a "sponsor" and they only paid for a portion of the cost of printing the programs that was placed on every seat in an auditorium at each one of the tour venues. Feed the Children understands that Carman's concerts are evangelistic outreaches and take up love offerings. So they paid for whatever "added" expense having one of their envelopes placed in the programs cost. But the majority of the money received from these envelopes was theres. This was the only reason to do it this way so that Feed the Children could raise money! As for Feed the Children paying Carman to shoot spots for them is wrong. Carman, like all other celebrities give of their time freely to help Feed the Children. If Feed the Children should ever pay for the traveling and accommodation expenses for anyone who helps them it would strictly be because they know the conditions they face to help those in need and what it takes to get there. Carman Ministries gives to Feed the Children and when his ministry could give Feed the Children an opportunity to reach a nightly audience with a plea to to help them to provide for the needs of others by placing a separate donation in the Feed the Children envelope, Carman did so.
It is those like behappy who really does not care about others. Behappy feeling "betrayed" is nothing but an excuse to stir up trouble. |
abouttime
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Username: abouttime
Post Number: 7
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 68.114.156.82
| | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 8:43 pm: |
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Feed the Children is not the issue-they have open accountability which most ministries do not. You can see what they do. I believe the reason this is even a issue is because of the lawsuit. HFL I don't think it's possible for the money from the envelopes only stayed closed, then opened by feed the children and then feed the children gave the money back to Carman ministries-if that is the case then this is more of a concern because two offerings where taken up one intented for CM and one to feed children so maybe Behappy does have a concern.
FTC may not have paid Carman for the spots directly but the two may have teamed up- which is perfectly ok- because ministry required funds and years upon years they have worked together- you do this for me and I will do this for you. It's done in business all the time.
Ministry intergity is what this is about-- I'm sorry but Carman Ministries over and over have said they needed funds to do certain projects and then those projects where not done. I and they promised things would be sent to people if they gave but the items where not sent- so how do you trust where the funds are going. There are concerts and for the most part free but that was the case years ago when the ministry had intrigity wrote all over it. It almost seems when the ministry moved from Tulsa the office staff didn't look out for the ministry like they should have and Carman ultimately has paid the price for that.
Good luck everyone God Bless
See you in heaven |
not_alone
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Username: not_alone
Post Number: 12
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 66.16.124.240
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 10:53 pm: |
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when carman was involved with nest he tried to demand that they give him like 500,000 for something. they were talking about it in an upset manner and said something very close to, if he thinks he is getting that much, he is crazy. he called them and was avoided at the time because they knew what he was trying to do. he was pressuring them and they are an important ministry.
he has used his concerts arrogantly and with distinct domination. no wonder he likes the sopranos. and he really really shouldn't. he definitely should not have them on a Christian myspace it isn't the least bit humorous.
yes it's true that he has a reputation in various places of ministry and industry for being controlling demanding and even greedy.
soon the chorus will begin to sing, he is the most generous person who ever lived. he has never done or said anything even remotely greedy or controlling. O.....K!
why does he fly first class only? it's nicer true, but it's 4x more expensive. if he is using DONATED money in a way that pleasures him or is vain and also inappropriately then God is going to convict, then correct and then expose or chasten him. he will always justify his goals, "his way" of doing things and sanctify the need for more and more money. some things are not really wrong at all and some might be.
he will hate and resent this post and his followers will think it's wrong. not that he has ever done wrong or has wrong in his life.
if he was in fact flying to south america and hanging out beaches saying it was a prayer walk, or if he collected monies for events he promised to put on and never did it and then redirected funds for traveling or as stated "hiring a stylist" in beverly hills then he is at fault for sure. he does not need a stylist. it's a part of a role he plays in acting like a celeb. not everything people have said on this discussion about him is wrong.
steve green was on his board of advisors and thought carman could do no wrong financially, but if you are honest and look at some outcomes and attitudes and purchases, steve wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. carman is very charming and he can blind people with his good natured charm and smooth talk. he does that self depricating thing that makes him look more vulnerable and needy than he is by a long shot.
rendy wasn't trustworthy and who knows what he was promised. carmab was in a "star" fantasy like so many of you have spoken of. that's why he could be tricked. that star stuff really has it's highs but it also has it's very real lows. |
not_alone
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Username: not_alone
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 66.16.124.240
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 10:58 pm: |
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if carman is right in this particular situation and completely moral, then he should win and be vindicated.
if you are going to live by the Bible, truly live by it before God then Christians are not to take other Christians to court. we are even supposed to give something to the one who is stealing from us. of course the thief when caught is supposed to give back seven times. when does "that scripture" ever become full filled in the 21st century?
living that Biblical way, that makes things harder in one way and later down the road more open to the miraculous.
it is God's actual will though.
feed the children seems cool and sincere for the most part. but there are real accounts of larry setting up scenes and situations to look more desperate to garner more donations. not that he doesn't help desperate people and the poor are very poor even here in the appalachians.
when you get a level of success and trust it's easy to manipulate things and then say it's for a good cause.
paul talked about it, God had it put in the Bible for us to have as a life reference. "should we sin so that God may be glorified, absolutely not".
okay we all sin, everyone lies and we all try to get our way. but to use money given for ministry and for something that we did not intend it to be or thought it would be used for, is irresponsible and dishonest.
they almost every one will never apologize or admit to such things, because their donations would drop significantly.
fantasies, are never cool unless you doing an animation story for kids that teaches them good morals or spiritual principles.
God calls us to walk in truth. |
carle
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Username: carle
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 172.193.50.36
| | Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 7:56 pm: |
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be_happy
Why can't you leave C alone? He is having financial troubles and has had them for some time. That's why he removed V from his staff. The man has to make some money somewhere. So what, if he has to take some money from a few children to keep himself going. What's wrong with that?
I am tired of people always trying to hurt him. The man has a right to pick up some money from different places. He has helped me more than any other person I know and I will continue to support him no matter what he does.
Carle |
giulia
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Username: giulia
Post Number: 22
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 59.101.149.213
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 6:52 pm: |
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"The man has to make some money somewhere. So what, if he has to take some money from a few children to keep himself going. What's wrong with that? "
Carle, I know you mean well, but that sounds bad. I really don't know the ins and outs of what happened, neither do I have much interest in finding out. I am sure it is more involved than anyone on here knows.
Whatever happened, I am sure it has been dealt with anyway. I think there is a whole lot of assumption going on here and when you assume you make an ••• out of u and me, please forgive the thrashed out cliche', however it seemed quite appropriate for this topic.
(Message edited by Giulia on June 15, 2007) |
revelation
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Username: revelation
Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 65.32.90.210
| | Posted on Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 1:27 pm: |
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seriously why don't you all go get a life. |
giulia
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Username: giulia
Post Number: 2
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 61.68.161.43
| | Posted on Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 11:52 pm: |
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geeee revelation it was so kind of you to take time off your busy schedule on the Isle of Patmos to come and bring to the poor no-lifers some revelatory encouragement from the kindness of your heart.
Big of you! |