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hurt (hurt)
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 63.252.26.93
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LHTBM will be having a meeting tomorrow night in Cuba City. Ron will be attending (against my wishes). He was not able to make it two weeks because he was out of town - so he believes that he MUST go tomorrow night.
I know that the LHTBM members believe that all this publicity will end soon and they will continue to grow. Please everyone lets keep this in the media until we get everyone's family members out of it safely.
I miss Ashley more than ever and I want/need to see her.
I continue everyday to reason with Ron - I have attempted everything I can imagine to get him to understand how wrong LHTBM is - he just refuses to listen. I am begging him to get Ashley out and himself - he simply states he needs to follow his beliefs and that Ashley needs to follow hers. I want him so much to be able to see that they have done nothing good for our family and other families. Catholic organizations do not take loved ones from their families. Families do not equal the devil.... I do not know where to go from here especially since I have not even made any head way with him since Ashley was taken. I continue to love him however, it is getting harder and harder since I believe he is really causing everyone so much pain.
Donna,
I would be interested in that seminar and I would share some of the cost.
Tamee Fahey |
sadfriend (sadfriend)
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Posted From: 209.206.210.67
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I go day by day thinking of ashley and thinking of how is she doing? I just keep reading the papers and on the internet and I pray to god she comes home soon. Ashley if you can see this i miss you and hope you are home soon!!! |
suehue (suehue)
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Posted From: 69.66.142.87
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My heart goes out to those whose lives have been shattered by all this. I know it is hard to imagine the pain.
The one thing you have to all realize is that the church has finally taken a stand, and declared LHTBM to be no part of it - and so they probably will not do anymore. They have no control over LHTBM anymore.
All of you with family involved, seek out lawyers who are willing to do pro bono work and sue the hell out of the "leaders" of this group. Sue them for alienation of affections, false advertising, slander, libel, anything - just keep them in the spotlight and busy or else they will go underground and be lost.
Every day that there is no action taken is one more day that they can brainwash these people. You cannot depend on the church or news organizations to sustain interest - that is just not the way the world goes.
So please, I implore you, look into any legal actions that can be taken. Even if the lawsuits are frivolous, it will still take their time, resources and energies. Trust me, I would have had my lawyer on the phone the day my daughter disappeared.
God love you all, and remember, with God, all things are possible. Susan |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Where in Cuba City is the meeting at? Maybe at Bill and Linda's. I know it can't be in the
Catholic Church. |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Where in Cuba City is the meeting at? Maybe at Bill and Linda's. I know it can't be in the
Catholic Church. |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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I wonder what the other two seniors that attended the retreat and unity mass are thinking about Ashley's situation. One of them was going to go to college in Dbq. There two first names are said when you go on www.birach.com. at 4pm on Sundays. I will pray for them also. Children are so vulnerable. |
realcatholic (realcatholic)
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Post Number: 10
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Posted From: 152.163.101.12
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crt
"'when they kicked me out of the group, they told me that I was a "failure" as a Catholic and to STOP going to Church. '
Did they kick you out or did you leave on your own? Why would they kick you out?"
I was kicked out by someone who said he was acting for Fr. Len and Kyo. I tried to communicate with Fr. Len for years after that to confirm that, and he never answered.
I have a complicated medical condition and really appreciate prayers from people at different times. Cardinal Bernardin even INSISTED once that I write to him about my experiences, and he wrote, "The Gift of Peace" which answered a lot of my questions.
People in LHTBM kept insisting that I ask to be "cured" and that isn't my prayer. I pray for strength for people because I know that Jesus answers those prayers. Praying for a "cure" seems childish to me.
Since I wasn't "cured", they kicked me out. I had talked to Fr. Len about that many times and he always insisted that LHTBM wasn't about "cures" so it didn't make sense.
Over the past four years, there have been times that the memory of that afternoon have been almost too much to handle. I am convinced that if Cardinal Bernardin were still alive, I would have called him and he would have ended LHTBM four years ago.
I saw another woman get kicked out before me, and she had done a lot for the group and it really shocked me and I told Fr. Len.
Fr. Len, Kyo and John Prus started LHTBM and should be held responsible for all the pain they have caused. The Archdiocese of Chicago knows the details of my story now, since Fr. Len never responded to anything I wrote over the past four years.
Sometimes I still can't believe all the harm that they have caused...I pray they wake up to it soon before it is too late for them. Jesus said we are supposed to LOVE one another, NOT judge one another! |
killcat (killcat)
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.66.96.63
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Just heard on the 10:00 news that channel 7 will be airing a story on the LHTBM Cult Thurs. and Fri. - I did not catch the time. That is the Waterloo station. Also, friends in West Union emailed me that the paper there did a story on this bunch. It is so difficult to understand how these good people could have been taken in by the likes of Mrs. McDonald (who likes to be called Kyo) and the renegade priest. How can intelligent people be so gullible? How can they follow a group that has lied to them and still claim they are Catholic? I can understand that the cult has offered them something they did not find in their church - but where do they draw the line when the leaders are dishonest and set themselves up as holy when in fact, they are sadly lacking. Let's hope that Ashley uses those smarts that got her the scholarships and soon sees these people for what they are and decides to leave them. Lots of pats on the back for all of you have brought this out in the open for people to see and realize the danger of this group. |
saddad (saddad)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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As you read this posting, many of you are going to ask yourselves why I would be posting such a message on factnet. I could simply go into the next room, look my wife into the eyes and say what I have to say. What many of you don’t understand is how such an event as our daughter leaving the family and joining a group such as LHTBM can do to a family. We don’t communicate much anymore because we are all consumed in finding meaning to what happened. We blame ourselves and wonder what we could have done differently or better so that the outcome would have been distinctively more positive to the family life as we have known it. We don’t blame each other, but we wonder. We wonder what power people possess over each other that could cause a daughter to disassociate herself with her one true best friend in the world which in this case, happens to be her own mother and her family.
My wife reads these posting everyday. It’s like she is looking for a cure for cancer. I believe LHTBM is like a cancer, but I don’t think the cure lies within. Therefore, I am going to use this outlet to send a message to my wife which I love and adore! I think she will listen to me just this once!
Lora, (Faith_Mom) you are a great mother! You did nothing wrong! You raised a beautiful daughter who could easily light up any room she walked into. You have spent many years carefully and meticulously wrapping such a perfect gift as if it were an offering to the world. You could have done nothing better than what you did to raise Ashley.
There are many evil people in this world who prey on the innocents of young minds such as Ashley. They are the Dick Vogt and Kyo McDonalds of the world who are nothing more than predators waiting in the shadows to steal something that doesn’t belong to them and corrupt their way of thinking. They have nothing of their own so they must take what doesn’t belong to them and mold it to fit within the world of which they belong but does not exist. Ashley is a very smart young lady and she will soon figure it out. It may not be today or tomorrow, but it will be soon! Ron is a dip shit and always has been and always will be, so don’t expect anything from him! Like I said before, to much LEAD PAINT! Hurt will soon get out!
David, Amanda and I need you now more that ever! We need to laugh again and know that it’s OK! We need some sense of balance back in what remains of our family before it is too late. Most importantly, we need you back the way you were before Ashley left. We will never give up the fight to bring Ashley home. We just want a piece of what we had before back into our lives. Some Balance! We need you Lora and we need you now, here, and today. Please come back into our lives! We love you, miss you and adore you! We will not leave your side, yet we will carry much of your burden!
Love forever,
Roger |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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*to order faith bracelets call or email at 5635392300 MononaWeb.com
*Watch channel 7 news at 6pm
*upcoming meeting --still in the works--we'll keep you posted
*Good book to read---Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassen( Thanks for sending it to me, please email me)
*I love my family more than anything---continue to pray for the families/friends affected by LHTBM. Please dear God give us strength |
1_of_his_lambs (1_of_his_lambs)
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Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.227.189.128
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Donna, did you get my email? |
wwjd (wwjd)
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 152.163.101.12
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Donna,
Could you give more information on the seminar, I would be interested in it as well.
Faith Mom,
Are you aware that there will be something on the 5 pm news thursday on KCRG as well, I was talking to Katie Wiegman (?spelling)the news reporter for KCRG last weekend, we were talking about LHTBM and she said make sure to watch the news on Thursday, they are having something on LHTBM, but I have no idea what it is. That's all she could say. |
xisleone (xisleone)
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Posted From: 207.199.235.250
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saddad and faithmom,
Your family is continuously in my prayers. Lora, you know Roger is right...you raised Ashley to be a magnificent person. When I used to work at IOC I would go down and eat at the buffet a lot of nights and talk to Ashley about "stuff". Lora, if you could have just at there and watched her talk to the guests and our co-workers and saw how peoples faces lit up when she talked to them, you would know how great a job the two of you did at raising her. Like I said, you are always in my prayers. Take care and let us know if any of us can do ANYTHING.
AZ |
donna_back (donna_back)
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Post Number: 143
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 12.217.126.235
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Re: seminar: We're looking at Oct. 22, from noon until 4 p.m. Should have the venue finalized tomorrow. I'll then post all details.
We'll pass a hat to cover the costs of bringing Mary in from Georgia.
Thanks~
Donna |
mononah (mononah)
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 207.177.16.220
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Thursday and Friday Oct 6 and 7th at 6 PM Channel 7 KWWL Waterloo/Cedar Falls will be reporting on LHTBM, Think this is a two part series, so will be interesting to see where and what they got with this clown outfit..
NOT ONE MORE, God Bless, KEEP THE SPIRIT |
sadfriend (sadfriend)
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Posted From: 209.206.210.67
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Roger and Lora, I know you both know your daughter is a great person, there was never a day that she didnt make me laugh or smile... thats what i miss about her.And i know deep down she really misses everyone.
sadfriend |
prayingatloras (prayingatloras)
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Posted From: 198.183.227.30
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Is Ashley getting our messages and just not replying? If the everyone outside the group is evil, how come Jesus didn't create this group? Why didn't Ashley call me before she left? We talked about everything, and always about God. She told me about these retreats, but never specifically LHTBM. She also said she wanted to have a family and be a teacher. She said she was always scared that God would come to her and tell her to become a sister. I told her that if she didn't want it, God would not make her become one. I have so many questions about LHTBM and why they tear families apart. How did Ron get started in this in the first place? Lora and Roger, my prayers are with you and the rest of Ashley's loving family. I just wish I could have told her I loved her before she left... |
mononah (mononah)
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Posted From: 207.177.16.211
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I personally found Channel 9's special assignment report very intersting and as well Channel 7's ...and 7's to be continued tomorrow PM at the same time of 6 PM.
IT is so important these media outlets continue to look into and report to us what they know and can find out.
DUBERT your deplorable ! And I cannot from what I hear respect or acknowlege you as clergy !
Ron Fahey again I would say you are a total family distructionist, and of all people to grab into the fold your OWN DAUGHTER is not that of a father or man, but that of one who preys on innocent youth to enter your kingdom of power and DESTRUCTION apparently in the name of someone who is responsible to NO ONE and INCLUDING THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. GOT THAT? NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, so PLEASE delete it from your Headquarters SIGN !
Tamee, you have a tough role to play and but can wish you luck on your voyage to retain your beloved RON, if he won't listen now, most likely he never truly has nor will in the future. BUT only you can get through to him. IT is wrong to prey on your own daughter and convert her into something as a young girl who truly cannot or should not be able to fully comprehend such horror, and take her away from her family with no communication. IT is not the role that of a Father with a daughters heart, mind and soul to a life like such and then say she has chosen it. IF this was the case then you and your flock of whatever you are so called would allow HER to fully communicate with family etc to explain her decision and hopeful understanding to them,and they of her, and not through you or whomever is in CHARGE !
NOT ONE MORE, God bless, Keep the Spirit |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Leonard Kruzel was to get back to the arch of Chicago R/T his new assignment yesterday and he never did. They have attempted to make phone calls to him and he did not return them. What does that tell you?
Thank you for the prayers, continue to pray for all families affected by other organizations like LHTBM that have taken family members away from them. J.C. thank you for your letter and our phone conversation today- I will keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers.
I love my daughter, continue to share her story-for I do not want another mother to have to deal with the nightmare that I am living. |
sonshinegirl (sonshinegirl)
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Posted From: 68.72.107.90
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The news story on KWWL is in written format on their website also. It's www.kwwl.com
Waitin' & Prayin' . . .and . . .prayin' & waitin. . . .
Prayin' expectantly! |
redpine (redpine)
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Posted From: 63.40.166.249
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Sondheim,
This is a follow up to my post of 10/2. I've been told that Fr. Steve Lesniewski is an associate pastor at Immaculate Conception parish where Fr. Tom Koys is pastor. I don't believe LHTBM was conducting bible studies at that parish. At our parish, LHTBM has moved the bible studies to private homes.
BTW, others I've talked to do not remember Frs. Tom and Steve as yelling during homilies. In fact, Fr. Tom is remembered for the excellent homilies he would give at the children's mass before our school closed. As for Fr. Steve, I remember him as very quiet and for the exceedingly long time that he would elevate the host during consecration. I don't see them as part of any cabal but then I'm just an usher watching from the last pew.
Red Pine |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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It is important for other family members that have been affected by lhtbm to speak out. NOT ONE MORE----
(A.K)I will never forget the posting that you put on R/T Ashley ---TO KNOW ASHLEY, IS TO LOVE ASHLEY. Those are words I will never forget.(A.K. please email me).
To all Ashley's classmates, friends, etc. I know that this must be hard on you also. Remember I am there for you, if you need to talk.
Continue to keep LHTBM families affected in your prayers---we must continue to keep our faith. |
1_of_his_lambs (1_of_his_lambs)
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Posted From: 12.227.189.128
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Dear Lora & Roger:
I watched the segment on channel 7 last night. Again, I hand my heart to you. I am curious about Ron. Is he not a head person at Medical Associates here in Dubuque? If this is true, I can't understand the Mercy/Medical Associates "umbrella" accepting someone in leadership who is defiant to the Catholic Church, and obviously, abusive to his child. There is no validity whatsoever that she cannot see you because of the chance you'll "corrupt" her. I know these people, and we all pretty much know, they won't let you see her because the part of her that thinks of you every day, the pieces of glistening brilliance in her mind, memories of all I saw in those beautiful photos on TV last night (and more, I'm sure) are with her always. If Ashley could just see you, let you hold her, spend a day with you, it would all change in a snap.
I believe you need to get some legal help. She's being held as a brainwashed individual. There must be laws against this. It's like they've debilitated her mind; and now she is not capable of making decisions she's made. That will change quickly when she sees you and is with you again. Ashley's father abused her emotionally by making her believe she would go to hell if she didn't become a part of this group. This is also a Department of Human Services Issue. This happened before she was eighteen.
How old are your other children? If they are under eighteen, save them. If Ron is found to have hurt her mind, and she needs custodial support, she will be returned to your waiting arms.
One of my petitions, that I pray over and over through out the day is for those small pieces of light and colorful glass come together inside of Ashley. That she will have desire to see you stronger than she can withhold. I pray for that visit to be free, and followed by many more.
I also pray that there is no Ron Fahey in a position of any power at an institution where I spend time and money. He is evil.
I had a husband like Ron Fahey. I don't know how MUCH alike they are; but I'm guessing they are a great deal alike.
I am also praying for the two of you. Let us handle the burden for a while. Let us do the praying, researching. You keep making those daily phone calls if you need to; but keep to each other's needs...I don't know you; but I know I love you.
Dear God, my friends need you. You have heard our request. Send your Holy Spirit to inspire Lora and Roger with wisdom, discernment, and all that you know they need. Bring them peace; help them see and feel those around them with new eyes, and new hearts. Grace them with enough control to give up control and give it to You, entirely, that you can call upon each of us, their friends, Your servants. Make what you need us to do so very clear that we know it. Give us strength and courage to do it.
My Father, open more eyes. Thank You. I praise You for Your work through our Diocese and the one in Chicago. You are worthy of all our praise, My Father.
Jesus, Holy Jesus. You know what is in my heart. I am ashamed for what I want to ask of you; but you know if it is worthy of you; and appropriate to ask. Then, rebuild me. I love YOU! So many are counting on you, Jesus. Remember us. Show us your presence around us; help us to know when it is really you and when it is someone evil, dressed as you. I pray that prayer for all of us and for our chidren. Send your Holy Spirit to them in ways that will make them want to choose you; and run from the evil that hides and portrays you when it attacks.
Lora and Roger, We love you! |
sonshinegirl (sonshinegirl)
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Posted From: 68.72.107.90
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FYI - Front page of today's 'Chicago's New World' newpaper is an article about LHTBM. I haven't seen it yet. My Mom gets it delivered & called me. I tried accessing it online, but they haven't updated their website yet. Anyway, the article sounded pretty thorough, going back to when Len was an associate at St. Constance. I will try to find out more tomorrow.
Roger & Lora, you can hold your heads up high as parents of Ashley. The testimonies of her character speak loudly of you. TRUST in the promise of Romans 8:28 "We KNOW that ALL things work for the good of those that Love Christ & work in accordance with His purpose." Continue to seek God's will each day. I can tell how very much you love Ashley; remember that her Creator loves her even more. Let us all look and pray expectantly for the good that will come of all of this. |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Thank you sonshinegirl for the posting and you are right will God's gracious guidance and love we can all get through this.
Dear God continue to watch over everyone affected by lhtbm. Tomorrow it will be 7 weeks since Ashley left and eight weeks that she has been under their influence. Please give her strength dear lord. |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Thank you sonshinegirl for the posting and you are right will God's gracious guidance and love we can all get through this.
Dear God continue to watch over everyone affected by lhtbm. Tomorrow it will be 7 weeks since Ashley left and eight weeks that she has been under their influence. Please give her strength dear lord. |
sonshinegirl (sonshinegirl)
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Posted From: 68.72.107.90
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I've been checking now & again all day. Here is the article FINALLY! http://www.catholicnewworld.com/cnw/issue/index.html it has some info that has not been posted here before. And the fact that it is front page news on the Ardiocesan Newpaper is huge. When the cardinal faxed those messages to all the parishes, they were not required to read them to the parishioners.
Any news from Ashley yet? I am confident it will be soon. God Bless. |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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No, I've not heard from her yet. I continue to leave a message every day at 773-745-0011 and write her a letter once a week. Today it is 7 weeks since she left after the unity mass. I miss her so much.
I continue to ask others to speak out about how LHTBM has affected/torn your families apart. I realize it is very difficult.
FOR WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT |
sondheim (sondheim)
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Posted From: 207.200.116.203
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Red Pine ---
Stephen Lesniweski is a yeller during homilies -- trust me. I have seen it; both in Spanish and English. If you ever read one of Tom Koys bulletin rantings you would swear it was from the LHTBM editorial meeting. A recent rant was about "any and all things gay". It was rambling and insane. Then he did one about the Sunday Offering; totally crazed.
Also -- something I just found out: There is a female doctor - Dr. SONIA - who is always around Stphen Lesniewski. She is a verifiable associate of LHTBM. She is one of the meanest and nastiest people you would ever want to encounter -- unless you are a LHTBM'er or adore the few preists she deems acceptable. She is rude and obnoxious to people in a way I have never seen or heard before. I do not know what kind of Dr. she is, but she is always introduced as "Doctor Sonia" and uses that to push her way into places. She calls parishes and tries (tried) to set up Bible Studies, etc.
Also, there is in the margins of this, another woman; much nicer, but also a "priest follower". LINDA DuPLANTIS. She does a lot of shuffling around of people and things for Lesniewski and Koys. She's sweet but constantly pumps people for information about priests and parishes when she is with you!
Just for some discussion -- any of this ring a bell with anyone out there???? |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Did you know that Ron asked me to write a letter to the Arch of Dbq on Aug 11th, Thurs. R/T LHTBM--I thought it was kind of strange- even stranger at that time I thought it was within the catholic church...THANK GOD I DIDN'T
So everytime that Kyo got up in front of people within the catholic church, at priest retreats,etc....Did anyone ask about her background,religious education,etc. -----or did she tell them also like she told me she sat on God's lap!!!!!! Hey, Kyo I will continue to ask you that question until you have a better answer than that.....
Ashley I love you and I will continue to ask questions...please come home...I ask questions because I care....we all miss you more than you can even imagine |
crt (crt)
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Posted From: 66.167.217.71
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Does anybody know Kyo's background?? (Other than that she used to be Buddist). Religious background, where/when was she baptized by the Catholic church, education, etc. I know she's secretive but I would think some of that info would be pretty easy to find out. I've read all of these posts but don't remember reading anything about that. |
realcatholic (realcatholic)
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Posted From: 205.188.117.13
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I just wanted to add that the article Donna mentioned is great. The responsibility of all the problems is Kyo's, not St. Constance, or even Fr. Len alone. Sometimes I wish that Kyo would be excommunicated for all the harm she has done, but I know that is "evil," but sometimes necessary to express anger.
As Donna and others know, I still don't like all the negative comments written here about Fr. Len and continue to ask people to pray for him. I don't think we will ever know how Fr. Len met Kyo.
Kyo has been constantly challenged about her lack of religious education and her answer was that she had a "gift" from God, which I know isn't true because no God would tell me or anyone, to stop going to church!
I did challenge her and questions Fr. Len when she said things that were wrong, and he corrected her. Obviously there was a day that stopped and she went overboard, like having family members isolate themselves - that wasn't a part of it when I was involved. I know how important Fr. Len's family was to him.
There have been saints who have had problems with priests and bishops, but Kyo's constant references to St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross, and their problems with clergy, do not excuse her or Fr. Len of asking for permission before they did any of this. She basically said we were supposed to be respectful of priests, but not listen unless they were "on the journey" which to me, is the answer to why they never answered the Archdiocese completely. They don't expect outsiders to "understand."
All of that had nothing to do with why I was in it - I was in it because of the Bible studies, prayer groups, retreats, Masses, etc., which added up to "working on my relationship with God" as the bulletin advertised, and the Dubuque Archbishop asked pastors to have more available, and I really agree with. I've been to a Bible Study by a priest who has a degree in teaching the Bible and will make sure that any I go to in the future, is the same. Some of the things that I challenged the most were Kyo's ideas of what readings meant...and that we weren't supposed to read the footnotes.
I am still praying for Ashley that she will stand up to them like I did, and Jesus did in the temple.
I am also praying for the Polish community because I realize that all this has been written in English, and we don't know how they have been harmed. There was also a small Korean community, which is supposedly where LHTBM really started.
Amen... |
lorasgal (lorasgal)
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FYI: Ron has an interview scheduled today with TV9. If it airs tonight it will be on the 10pm show. |
iowan (iowan)
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I can't believe that the Archdoicese of Dubuque didn't put a stop to priests attending "priest retreats" put on by anyone other than Archdiocese officials. That one to me is a no-brainer. I don't understand how this could have gone on for so long. Priests attending retreats put on by someone who has no Catholic Education?? It doesn't take much common sense to realize that our priests, who sermon us on a daily or weekly basis, need to be trained only by certified Catholic officials, approved by the Archdiocese of Dubuque.
I pray that Fr. Dubert or any other priest who has been involved with and still believes in lht never gets assigned to my parish. I pray for the members of the parish he is currently serving in. Obviously Fr. Dubert still believes the garbage Kyo taught him or he wouldn't be sticking up for them on the news.
Iowan |
donna_back (donna_back)
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Seminar
The seminar is scheduled at Dubuque Greyhound Park & Casino on Saturday, Oct. 22 from 12 - 4 p.m. in the Park View West Room. The restroom is nearby (just across the hall). There will be complimentary refreshments available. There is a Deli that will serve soup, salad and sandwiches at your own expense. The Park View Room is located just to the left and up a few steps off the main entrance (flag on top of dormer).
I received many e-mails from people saying they will help with this financially. I'm going on pure trust on this one. We will pass the hat and I know the expenses will be covered. A special thanks to Roger Knott for covering some of the expenses at the onset. We will reimburse him after passing the hat. Thanks to another special person for helping with these arrangements.
Following is information re: our guest speaker. I hope someone from each geographical area takes ownership of this and gets this information to your local press. Thanks.
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Mary Kochan was raised a third-generation Jehovah's Witness. Since exiting that group, she has, in her own words, "been working my way backwards through the Protestant Reformation" and entered the Roman Catholic Church on Trinity Sunday, 1996. In 1995, her outline of a new model for understanding the dynamics of controlling groups was presented to the top American experts on this phenomenon. A national Catholic magazine has run a series of articles she has written on this subject and she was a contributing editor to a 1997 book about abusive religious groups. Mary has spoken and taught in many settings and has been the featured guest on both local and network radio talk shows. In 2000, Mary began making recordings for St. Joseph Communications, speaking at national and regional Catholic conferences and other events. St. Joseph now has several tapes sets of Mary's talks on various subjects available through their website at http://www.saintjoe.com .
In addition to the public speaking, she makes herself available for one-on-one and family consultation to those whose lives are being disrupted by the involvement of a family member in a questionable group and she also is a senior editor for the Catholic Exchange Web site at http://www.catholicexchange.com .
Mary and her husband Daniel are members of St. Theresa's parish in Douglasville, Georgia. She has four grown children and five grandchildren, two of whom she is homeschooling. |
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Ron being interviewed by Channel 9 will give LHTBM good exposure. My guess is he'll come across as very compassionate, fatherly, peaceful, etc., to which people just learning about this might think that the group isn't so bad. |
wwjd (wwjd)
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CRT,
They may think that it's good exposure, but remember the average Joe doesn't have the same relationship with God as most people on this website as well as in LHTBM, I believe he says the things he's programmed to say, the average person will think he's probably a little off the wall. Most people think that going to become a priest or a nun is nuts in this day and age, and I as one think it's great but I think as before it's going to hurt in the long run, remember they have not done very good damage control until know and unless they let Ashley see her mother and stepfather or Ron's wife I think he's making it worse, after all people see that bond between mother and daughter much more than father and daughter. (Sorry men, that's just in more cases than not)
So our goal is to pray during that broadcast, that the Lord let's the hearts of the people watching know the truth.
I have to say LHTBM's track record for PR has been pretty bad I don't think this will help, after all they can only repeat what Kyo has brainwashed them with.
WWJD |
hurt (hurt)
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Does anyone know if Ron was on television last night at 10:00? He didn't bother to tell me that the reporter even called him until last night around 8:00 let alone tell me that he actually did the interview. |
lorasgal (lorasgal)
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Ron did do the interview yesterday but they decided to hold the story. It is now scheduled to be on tonight at 10pm. If this changes I will post the new time. |
marciee (marciee)
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Might want to check at 5:00 and 6:00 too, this is what's posted on the KCRG website:
KCRG-TV9 News at 5 & 6
....And the father of a girl inside a controversial group defends her decision.
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sheshell (sheshell)
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Realizing that many here are Catholic, it may be wise for others here in this community hailing from various other religious faiths to understand the background of the speaker set to present at the Greyhound Park & Casino on 10/22/05, Mary Kochan, and here I refer specifically her collection of anti-Lutheran audio tapes entitled: " From Reformation to Destructive Cults: Martin Luther Exposed". No one religion is perfect, needless to say we here all know about Martin Luther's abominable anti-Semitic rants, and Lutherans officially have apologized on his behalf. We also are most likely well aware of the abominable sexual abuses of Catholic priests against the youth of the Catholic church - need we go on? As I say, there is really no need to continue - this is just a cautionary note: it pays to know extensively well the background of any one person you choose to become your "expert" in any given field, cult awareness or any other particular venue. It comes to mind that the person I am referencing, a one Mary Kochan, came to this website, in other words, I cannot locate any one posting where Mary was "suggested" by anyone to come to this website. Again, all I am saying is, be well aware of anyone coming into a difficult situation such as this with an offer of help - know who you are listening to, whether or not they claim to be Catholic. After all the folks here in this community have been through with the LHTBM, a little caution should definitely be suggested. I am not disqualifying anyone's particular training or or professionalism, I am saying to all here - BE AWARE. ASK QUESTIONS. Anyone who is promoting themselves (or anyone else) on this website should have done their homework as to disclosing professional credentials to back up their educational claims. Names of schools, work experience, published papers in professional credible periodicals, etc. All professional claims should be authenticated before any presentation takes place. Period. It just makes common sense. |
lorasgal (lorasgal)
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There will be a short story about Ashley at 5:00 on channel 9 and then a longer packaged story on at 6:00 tonight. |
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Just watched the 6:00 channel 9 story with Ron Fahey appearing on it. When he said Ashley could speak to whoever she wanted it sure made me wonder what normal girl would decide not to speak to her mother to comfort her and ease the pain and doubts about her choice of what Ashley decided to do with her life. This doesn't sound like the thoughtful girl that has been portrayed to everyone. Why doesn't she sit down for a few hours and talk with her mother to set the fears at rest? My guess is Agnes {Kyo} is smart enough to know with a little reasoning Ashley would realize this is not what she wants. As for her father, he loves kidding himself. If they are such a wonderful group - why all the security cameras on the building in Chicago. How do they expect to function in this world when they isolate themselves? The whole situation reminds me of the tale of the Emperor's New Clothes. It took a child to speak out that the Emperor was naked when all around him were admiring his new suit of clothing. People can be led to believe things that are totally out of the realm of common sense. |
saddad (saddad)
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sheshell, the decision to bring in Mary Kochan did not happen quickly. We have checked references and we personally know of someone who met with her over dinner last week and felt she has a good messege and is well spoken.
I pray we are right about this choice more than anyone else. I am making a considerable financial contribution to her arrival as are others. I also know doing nothing is not an option.
killcat, Ron said the same thing on the news as what he tells us. Repeat Ron, that his name, he just keeps saying the same damn thing. Ron gets to see Ashley to make sure she stays indoctrinated into the clutch. You are exactly correct about her seeing her mother. Ashley doesn't have the strenght to resist her mother's love and without the support of the group. They know it. LHTBM doesn't stay silent because they are humble, it's because they are secretive. Kyo as the LEADER, Ron is an 8 year member, broken apart families,(his own included)main focus on going to hell and obedience to the group---------C U L T !!!!!!!! |
mononah (mononah)
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Ron Fahey is but a misguided and disgusting person, to say on TV that Ashley made the decision alone and he did not influence her and she is not wanting to see anyone whom does not agree with her decision. INCLUDING HER MOTHER? And we are to buy that story ? AND WE ARE TO BELIEVE THAT? You are messed up!
SO then RON I come back to your Fatherhood and parenting, would you not want Ashley to be in contact with her Mother, and Family? IS this the way you decide andor others in this CULT as I call it? Surely you would encourage it if a true father and parent.
YOUR proclaiming your faith and yet hey guy who are you kidding, as a Roman Catholic it just is not the way families work in the name of GOD !
And if so free, why the locks on all entrances, no one allowed on the grounds? NO calls answered and in total lock up ! AND if such a great outfit, then no PR office for DONATIONS and or inquiries? THESE are but like prision facilities from what I viewed.
BUT RON Please drop the Roman Catholic Church connection, THERE IS NO CONNECTION and so directed, but be it come from the Bishops or whomever, WE THE PEOPLE know better and I do HOPE every one in Dubuque see's your disgusting randition of how life is FOR YOU and no one else in the name of Faith and your daughter and what you have done to her and her family. FEEL PROUD? It is rather SICK !
SO NO Father that I know of would do such to a daughter or son, and distance them from family and friends, so cult Ron if you can sleep at night, then your a lucky man...
NOT ONE MORE , Keep the Spirit, God Bless |
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Has Tami ever been allowed to go to Chicago with Ron to see Ashley? I'm guessing NOT! Wouldn't that make a good story(eye opener)for the TV news and newspapers: Tami traveling to Chicago with Ron to see Ashley but left standing alone at the front gate as Ron walks on through as he always does. So Ron, next time you head out there how about asking Tami to go along? Just a thought.... I still think Oprah would be interested in getting to the bottom of this mess. She just has that way about her of wanting to EXPOSE issues for what they really are and making things right. That's what I like about her! |
georgia_peach (georgia_peach)
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Donna,
You hit the nail on the head. What Mary Kochan has to offer us is information about cults, and their despictable agendas. It doesn't matter whether they are religious, political, or whatever affiliated, they all possess the same M.O. Mind Control, and devastation of families. Isn't it about time, we all can at least arm ourselves with information, in order to start the process of healing. I have met Mary Kochan, and do feel she is a very passionate woman, with alot of very important information about the workings of cults. Who better to know about them, she was raised in a cult. By the grace of God, she was able to escape. Hopefully, she will be able to offer some insight into what our precious family members are being fed, and what we can do to rescue them. Prayerfully given, Susan
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1_of_his_lambs (1_of_his_lambs)
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Maybe Kyo and Lenny wanna put a little jingle in the hat...I'm sure they would want to do everything they could (since they are such loyal servants) to destroy such things as CULTS. Perhaps LHT could fund the whole thing, so we can all see the big "difference." I saw a TV show on TLC called "Taboo." It was about how different (Catholic) divisions practice their faith, and cast away evil and purify themselves. There was a witch doctor that sounds like KYO. I want to put an acronym with your name, but it sounds so harsh, however, if I did, it would translate to destroying souls of your "own."
(Message edited by 1_of_His_lambs on October 12, 2005) |
donna_back (donna_back)
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Susan:
Exactly. All cults are terribly similar in nature. There's always a living leader to whom its members show extreme loyalty. There's always brainwashing and denial, and also the extreme programming (repetitive phrases and words) in terms of responses. Knowledge is power and people who are in the middle of this mess need to be empowered to do what they need to do. None of this is easy, but I, for one, refuse to back off and let Agnes and Lenny continue with their con game. Again, I'd be happy to tell them that to their faces if only they would have the guts to meet with me.
Donna |
crabby_patti (crabby_patti)
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This is for Ron. I know supposedly that LHTBM members are not supposed to read this site, but one would have to believe that you do. I mean, come on, wouldn't you look if you knew people were writing about you? What I want to know is this: since you can talk with Ashley, what do you talk about? How do you, Ron, know that Ashley doesn't want to speak wit her mother? How can anyone be sure that you don't have this big revenge plot against Lora? Oh, wait, that's right, you're a FRIGGIN' SAINT! Yea, right. I can't believe that you and Ashley would talk about Lora and Roger or anyone outside the group being that we're so damn evil! Wouldn't that poison yourselves by doing that? Lora and Roger and everyone else here may be against the group, but we are NOT against Ashely or anyone else that has been stripped from their REAL family and indocrinated into the false love they recieve from LHTBM.
Tell me this, Ron, does Ashley still run? I'm sure not out in the "common world". Does LHTBM have a tred mill for her? Please. What a farse!
i feel guilty sometimes for joking about Ashley as she ran by my workplace. I would jokingly say how bad she made me look as i was sitting at my desk chowing down on cheetos and she was out running her tail off in 95 degree heat. What I wouldn't give to see her energy run by again. I may have joked, but I was proud of her as I know a lot of us are and were. What dedication it took to run all summer to prepare for cross country at the collegiate level for 4 years. Yet it only took 1 WEEK to prepare for the "sisterhood" that she'll suppposedly do for the rest of her life. Where is the equality in that???????
FIGHT THE FIGHT |
hurt (hurt)
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crabby_patti:
He tells me he does not read this - but on the other hand he is constantly not telling me the truth - so who knows.
None the less - I sent it to him for you just to be certain he does see it.
Tamee |
crabby_patti (crabby_patti)
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Thanks Tamee. I keep you in my prayers. |
marciee (marciee)
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Just curious - what about Ron makes him anything but a victim just like everyone else who has joined this group? |
crabby_patti (crabby_patti)
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He is a victim. I compare it to a drug using parent. There will be people out there that are angered by a drug using parent that gets their children involved in the drugs or simply caught in that environment. Others will feel that the parent is a victim of the drugs and if the parent had been drug free, they wouldn't have exopsed their children to such a danger. Same thing with Ron and the LHTBM as far as I'm concerned. It's normal for us to feel anger towards the ones that got Ashley involved, and for a few, we're just venting on the messageboard. I addressed it to Ron, and if Tamee wanted to make sure he saw it, great. No matter how closed minded, I think it is a good thing to hear the other side. Although, in the case of most of the families involved with the LHTBM they do not get to hear the missions side. If it is so great - MAKE US UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!! LET ASHLEY TRY AND EXPLAIN IT!!!!!! But as several posts state, they won't. Donna_back: " I challenge Ron Fahey to allow Ashley to speak with her mother and Roger. If it's true what you say, Ron, that this is where Ashley wants to be, then surely you're confident in her strength to meet alone with Lora and Roger, right? Ah, that's right. You know damn well if Ashley were alone with Lora and Roger, she would be filled with confusion and would want to be with her true family." |
1_of_his_lambs (1_of_his_lambs)
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They have this funny way of making you think you want things you don't want. They tell you this is what you want. They force you to believe if you do not do what you know they want you to do, evil things will happen. Then, they tell the rest of the world it's all what you want and they've only supported you. Been there, done that. I'm really sick of these people. Why prey on the young and innocent, or those who have been beaten down by the ones they love and feel they have no free will; perhaps no ability. We all know why they won't let family and loved ones in. We ALL know the answer. It's insanity, oximoron, and they know it, too. Come clean, even the cloistered sisters at Our Lady of the Mississippi invite public for Monday Night Mass. They have very kind, sweet contact through their sales. They meet and greet after Mass. They don't hide away, claim to be persecuted and follow some strange woman. They believe in God. If only LHT believed in One True God, One Faith and One Hope. The meek shall be called children of God, (not children of Kyo, Ron, Dick or Lenny...) |
prayingatloras (prayingatloras)
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What does she get out of tearing families apart and brainwashing innocent people? What does she get out of using God's name for her power? |
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I know first hand that it is impossible to get through to a member of this group. My Mother has given me the exact same responses (and I mean EXACT) I have read Ron has given, she supports Ashley’s decision much like Ron does and has not made one comment relative to the pain and anguish Roger and Lora are experiencing. After one of my first posts, I believe it was Donna who told me not to expect answers that make any sense (thanks Donna, good advice!). I have been amazed and astonished following several conversations with my Mom. The last conversation I had with her about this group was after I read that Dick rides around the farm with a weapon. The statement from the Cardinal came out at that same time, and a day or two after, I found articles in newspapers all across the country. I am fearful for her safety – I still don’t know why Dick feels a weapon is needed down on that farm but my Mother is 70 years old and I shudder at the idea of her having to get herself out of harms way. I called to let her know about the national media coverage this was getting. I also told her about the weapon and encouraged her to be careful. Just like Donna said, the response I got made no sense (and crushed me) ~ she told me if God wanted her to be a martyr she is ready. It was at that point that I realized just how ‘out of reach’ my Mother is. Her response is on my mind every day and will remain until this matter is closed.
Mom has been a devout Catholic for as long as I can remember. I remember thinking she would surely get out if the Archbishop of DBQ came out with a statement that was not in support of LHT. Didn’t happen. I called her following his statement and asked if she would at least hold off on attending any more meetings/retreats until all the facts are out and she could make an informed decision. She laughed and said no, adding that his statements were untrue. I also thought that once the Cardinal made his statement, she would surely see the light or at the very least, start examining the facts. Hasn’t happened.
I have known Ron for quite a few years, I consider him to be a very good friend of mine – I know he would never EVER willingly or consciously do anything that would result in harm to his family, or anyone else.
I agree that Lora and Roger should be able to see Ashley with all my heart. I am a mother and cannot imagine the pain. BUT….can Ron do anything to facilitate a visit? If he does, would his commitment to the group not be called into question?? At least he is still able to find out how Ashley is doing (and is willing to let everyone else know). Crap on him too much and his mouth might just close.
I am sure Ron feels he IS doing the right thing, just as my Mother does – just like they ALL do. Attacking Ron is not going to solve anything and is only enabling the group to continue ‘rejoicing’ (as Jim put it in his 01/23 post) at all the persecution.
Until someone exposes Agnes, these folks are going to continue following her. I have waited for weeks for my Mother to ask herself whether or not this is right – she isn’t doing it. Ron isn’t going to do it either. Again, UNTIL AGNES is fully exposed we cannot begin to try and free our loved ones !!!
Sorry for the lengthy post but I truly believe all venting, anger, passion, etc….needs to be directed at KYO and not those who have fallen victim to her mind - &^$%ing.
(Message edited by marciee on October 13, 2005) |
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Dear seashell and others who are concerned about me.
Let me explain how I came to be on this board. I received a phone call from someone on this board. The person who called me was given my name and number by the International Cultic Studies Association, a group with which I have associated for the past 10 years. The ICSA (formerly AFF) is the only professional association devoted to the study of high-control groups. ICSA brings together mental health professional, academics, researchers, doctors, and lawyers with ex-members and family members. ICSA publishes the Cultic Studies Journal – the only academic journal in this field.
When the list member called ICSA and informed them that the LHTBH was a group originally formed in Catholic parishes, ICSA gave her my name and number to contact for help. Last October, I developed and participated in three presentations at the national conference of ICSA in Atlanta, two of which dealt specifically with aberrant Catholic groups. (One of the programs was a presentation by Peter Vere, a canon lawyer. A very condensed version of his presentation is in the article on the Catholic Exchange website to which I posted a link above) So naturally ICCSA would use me as the appropriate contact for LHTBH.
At the time I received the phone message, I had never heard of this board. I did not know that the person who called me was on this board. I went looking for information and assistance for this person and when I did a search online, I found this board. It was only after I finally talked to my caller on the phone, that I was able to put two and two together and realized that my caller was already a poster on this forum.
From the first time I posted on this board, I have been very open about who I am and made all my references available.
I apologize if the sensational title of my tape “From Reformation to Destructive Cults: Martin Luther Exposed" put anyone off. I did not create that title. The title I gave the talk was “Let Us Now Blame Famous Men” but St. Joseph Communications, who produced that tape set, changed the title. The actual title of the entire series is “From Reformation to Destructive Cults: A Trail of Errors.” The point is that there are certain instabilities within Protestantism; along with a certain style of Protestant leadership (yes, modeled after Luther) that creates a tendency to abuse of power and over-emphasis on the personality of the leader. I make the case that this has historically contributed to the formation of cults. But this case is made with historical perspective, in a calm and scholarly manner, not sensationally, and neither calling Luther a cult leader, nor in anyway denigrating Lutherans – the people who gave me my own Christian baptism, by the way.
For those of you who are interested, here is my bio which I sent to Donna.
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Mary Kochan was born and raised as a third-generation Jehovah's Witness. During the 1980's, seeking to assist the hurting people around her, Mary did extensive research into the mental health problems of this negative sect. Her research led her to writing on abuse and recovery issues within the Watchtower organization. As she sought to serve her fellow Jehovah's Witnesses, God began opening her mind to the truth of Christ found in his word and Mary began to share these bits of truth with those she was helping. This led her into ever greater conflict with the Jehovah's Witness leaders, who finally decided to try her as an "apostate". Mary disassociated herself from the Watchtower organization, leaving behind all of her work and every relationship of her adult life, but knowing that she had heard clearly the call to follow Christ.
After exiting from the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mary Kochan worked in Protestant ministry, seeking to prevent other lives from being tragically affected by cult deception. She has spoken and taught in many settings including Sunday school classes, Bible study groups and pastors conferences and been the featured guest on both local and network radio talk shows, answering questions about all aspects of the cult phenomena.
During all these experiences Mary was, in her own words, "working my way backwards through the Protestant Reformation" and entered the Roman Catholic Church on Trinity Sunday, 1996. In the summer of 1997, Lay Witness, the magazine of Catholic United for the Faith published her series on Cults, Movements and World Religions, and her work began to be known to Catholics. That year she assisted in editing Twisted Scriptures, a book detailing the methods of control and coercion used in many Bible-based cults and she addressed the Women for Faith and Family Conference in St. Louis. In April of 1998, Mary had an article published in the scholarly journal Studies in the Social Sciences, a distinct honor for an undergraduate.
In 2000, Mary began making recordings for St. Joseph Communications, speaking at National and regional Catholic conferences and other events. St. Joseph now has several tapes sets of Mary's talks on various subjects available through their website at http://www.saintjoe.com .
In addition to the public speaking, Mary Kochan makes herself available for one-on-one and family consultation to those whose lives are being disrupted by the involvement of a family member in a questionable group or to their pastor, physician or attorney. Her concern for those affected by totalistic groups attracts interest, not only from Christians of all denominations but educators, law enforcement officials, mental health professionals and civic groups.
Currently, Mary Kochan is a senior editor for the Catholic Exchange website at http://www.catholicexchange.com .
Mary and her husband Daniel are members of St. Theresa's parish in Douglasville, Georgia. She has four grown children and five grandchildren, two of whom she is homeschooling.
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I also informed Donna that my latest several speaking engagements were: summer 2004, two talks given at the Cathedral of Christ the King during the Atlanta diocese’s summer apologetics series; a debate with a Protestant minister on the issue of Sola Scriptura presented for the deacon’s formation class of the Archdiocese of Atlanta; and a presentation for Theology on Tap of Augusta, Georgia. I was also interviewed on the radio in September for the “Al Kresta in the Afternoon” show and the Fall 2005 National Catholic Radiothon to raise operating funds for Catholic radio stations.
I am the script writer for “Rock Solid with Mark Shea” the podcast of Catholic Exchange, available through a link at our homepage http://www.catholicexchange.com .
To access my articles in the Catholic Exchange archives, go here: http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/archives.asp?vm_id=1&aut=214 .
To access my tapes at the Saint Joseph Communications website go here: http://www.saintjoe.com/p/product_search.pl?keywords=Kochan&topic=none&sbmt2=Search .
I am very knowledgeable about this subject and I have spoken about it many times. I get emails and phone calls several times a month about some cult-related issue. So it is something I deal with on an almost continuous basis. I was not recommended as a contact by ICSA for nothing – I know what I am doing and after you hear me speak, you will know that too. Please do not miss this meeting. Your understanding of what is going on and how to deal with it will move forward light years, I promise.
Believe me, I fully understand your sense of suspicion. That is what dealing with a cult will do to you. But I am catching it from both sides, because my husband is asking me how I can trust myself to you people, who I do not know other than on the internet. The reason is simple. I understand. I have been where all of you are. But when my husband put my plane fare up-front on his credit card last night, he had to put his faith in MY trust in all of you. I won’t let you down; don’t let me down.
Mary Kochan |
donna_back (donna_back)
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Mary:
Thanks for posting! I did post most of your information, including links, on Oct. 10 for all to see.
Everyone is taking a leap of faith on this. But it beats the hell out of sitting back and doing nothing, thinking things will magically change. Only hard work - VERY hard work - has gotten us to where we are today. I, for one, will stay focused on taking Agnes Kyo and Lenny down and getting the kids home.
Thanks~
Donna |
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Novena to Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal
I wear a miraculous medal and this novena has been very important to me many times. I will be praying it up to the day of our meeting. Please join me if you wish.
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Immaculate Virgin Mary, mother of our Lord Jesus and our mother, we have confidence in your powerful and never-failing intercession, manifested often through the Miraculous Medal. We your loving and trustful children, ask you to obtain for us the graces and favors we ask during this novena if they will be for the glory of God and the salvation of souls. (Here put your petitions.) You know, O Mary, how often our souls have been the sanctuaries of your Son who hates iniquity. Obtain for us then a deep hatred of sin and that purity of heart which will attach us to God alone so that our every thought, word, and deed may tend to his greater glory.
Obtain for us also a spirit of prayer and self-denial that we may recover by penance what we have lost by sin and at length attain to that blessed abode where you are the queen of angels and of men. Amen.
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If you want to pray this prayer with a group, the full prayer with leader's part and responses is here: http://www.amm.org/mmnov.htm
Mary Kochan |
saddad (saddad)
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Mary,
I have placed a check into the mail that will cover your expenses. I will assure you that you are in good hands and will be well taken care of. I have checked your references, listened to your tapes, and can't wait to see the reactions of others when they listen to you! I think you are exactly what we need to help organize our group for the cause! We will not let you down.
marciee, what I want from Ron right now is for him to attend the session on October 22. I pray for him to to be there. I think it may help him understand and perhaps see the real light! |
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I am sorry. As a Lutheran who has done nothing but support the efforts of this group to come to grips with the horror they are living with, I take exception to what I read on the saintjo webpage. I have chosen not to attend the meeting because of what I have read. I guess it is time for me to say goodbye, and good luck to you.
"In four informative conferences, cult-survivor Mary Kochan, a former Jehovah Witness and convert to Catholicism, carefully traces the roots of the destructive cults by first focusing on the person and ideas of Martin Luther, the "Father of the Protestant Reformation." She then proceeds to chronologically examine how Protestantism has developed over the past four centuries. And rather than being a reformation, Mary shows how the historic break of the Reformers led by Luther was actually a terrible revolution that tore Christianity apart and challenged the very integrity of the Gospel message!
Let Mary Kochan guide you along the tangled journey that began the very day Martin Luther nailed his infamous 95 theses on the door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg on October 31, 1517. Drawing from her extensive research, personal experience and insightful reflection, Mary navigates you the winding trail of errors as she dispels many of the myths surrounding the Reformation and its leaders. Her conclusions may shock you as she quotes from authoritative documentation including Luther's own writings, to shed light on the divisive events that literally rocked the Church to its very core.
You will be truly amazed as you listen to these stirring talks chronicling the story of Martin Luther's sad life and the powerful implications of his atrocious actions against Catholicism. This former Augustinian monk, rather than "reforming" the Church, actually tore the Body of Christ into pieces. Luther's sermons, writings and actions viciously attacked the Church and denied the authority of the Pope and other ecclesiastical leaders. But do you know all that he taught and held to be true?
Reaping the Fruit of Luther's Revolution
Now you can finally learn the startling "untold story" behind Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation. This series will not only arm you to effectively defend Catholic truth but also to challenge certain commonly held (yet grossly inaccurate) historical perspectives. Purchase your copy today and begin to finally set the record straight." |
marythemom (marythemom)
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Folks, please assure any members of LHTBM that my talks are not going to be for the purpose of putting down the group or criticizing its leader. There is no reason for them not to come. It is very important that current members feel welcome, as well as former members. No one should be afraid to come, thinking that they will be attacked or publicly humiliated.
Please try to encourage some of the area priests to come. Also if any of you know people who work in the mental health field, this will be a great presentation for them.
Mary Kochan
(Message edited by marythemom on October 14, 2005) |
hurt (hurt)
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Marciee:
I am not certain who you are but, I am Ron's wife and friend and I have also known him for quite a few years.
Ron is a genuine good man; he has a strong love for his children; he has a strong love for his faith; his parents; his brother and sisters; and their families as well - those reasons and many many many more reasons are why I fell in love with him and married him.
Anyway, I guess my statement to you is that I for one (I obviously am unable to speak for others) but I am not by any means stating that Ron is not a victim - I seriously believe he is -however; I do not believe that an adult should bring children into something whether it is a religious group; boy/girl scouts; CCD; any sporting event; 4-H.... anything that others will be teaching children or around children and the parents are unaware of the background of those who are doing the teaching and the training. I do hold him responsible for making that poor choice when it comes to bringing them into something like LHTBM that they were to young to understand and make a decision about. Ron should have as a responsible parent checked the background of those in this group before exposing them to the teachings of LHTBM. Also, he should have spoken to Lora and Roger about it as well - so nothing would have been such a shock - as it all is now.
And an answer (well simply my opinion to your question about a visit)I truly think Ron is able to facilitate a visit for Lora and Roger to see their daughter. The pain I see in their eyes is more than my heart can take I love Ashley more than anyone here can imagine but I would sacrifice me seeing her so that Lora and Roger see her. I am unable to understand why it would be so wrong for them to see her. What damage could that possibly cause? And it simply adds vinegar to us all that he can drive right up there and speak with her and see her and hug her... So Marciee no one is as you say "crapping" on him we just plain and simply would like to see and speak with Ashley ourselves and make sure she is safe. And as far as him keeping his mouth closed you know what Marciee he pretty much has always been closed mouth ever since this entire situation has happened. When he has spoken to the press (be it television or newspaper reporters) it is pretty much the same as listening to a recording over and over again.
I love Ron and I am not ashamed of my love for him -do I think LHTBM is a good thing - no, I do not -and I am also not ashamed of that. Ron and I are going thru a terrible nightmare and I for one do not want our marriage to end in a divorce over that horrible group of people who are not worth loosing Ron over.
Please understand I write on factnet and read factnet to find peace and hope through others. And I seriously thank each of them with all my heart. I am struggling every waking and sleeping moment because of all of this and as each day goes by I am grasping at straws to find HELP!!
With Love To All,
Tamee
I also wanted to add everything I have EVER written on here is nothing that I have not stated to Ron face to face - in case you are wondering Marciee.
(Message edited by Hurt on October 14, 2005) |
1_of_his_lambs (1_of_his_lambs)
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Posted From: 12.227.189.128
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I am so sorry for expressing some deep frustrations that may have caused hurt feelings. It wasn't right, and I ask for your forgiveness. I had my eyes opened, and have realized, again, that I am a sinner in need of God's forgiveness, and for the forgiveness of those whom I have hurt. I will work hard to be careful of what I post and not to let my feelings that may be intertwined with issues I am angry about from my own past and my own affiliations with LHTBM lines of thinking. I have sinned against you, my brothers and sisters, and the Lord my God. Please accept my apologies and I long for your forgiveness. All mentioned here will continue to be in my prayers, that God will reveal the truth and that God will use His Holy Spirit and miracles will happen. Many blessings. |
1_of_his_lambs (1_of_his_lambs)
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One more thing, for those of you researching; did you know you can sign up for google alerts...they will send you a notice everytime anything involving whatever topic you request (LHTBM, for instance)has something new on line. It's pretty interesting. I found the article from Katie Wiedemann (formerly from Dubuque; member of Nativity Parish with her parents)... |
marciee (marciee)
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Tamee,
I do understand, my post was not directed at you (or Roger or Lora). I look for the same things on this board. I struggle to find peace and hope however, when comments that Ron (or any other member for that matter, I just happen to know Ron) is disgusting or that child abuse charges should be brought upon him are made.
My point was simply that if Marilyns words are not her own (as Donna points out) and my Mothers words are not her own, Rons cannot be his own either.
Understandably, emotions are running very high. My own are hard to keep in check at times. I only suggested that frustrations be directed at the person who in my opinion, deserve them. That person (in my opinion) is not my mother, your husband, or any other member of the group.
I do not wonder about anything you say or don't say to Ron face to face. I just happen to feel that a very negative picture has been painted of someone I know to be a good person.
(Message edited by marciee on October 14, 2005) |
hurt (hurt)
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Marciee,
I am sorry that I felt in my heart that I needed to respond to you. I didn't know that it was directed to one certain person and that I could not write back a response of how I felt.
How do you know Ron?
In my opinion it is not that anyone is stating that Ron is a bad person it is "what he is doing that is bad". Big difference.
Yes, my emotions are high as I have a lot to lose (but, for those who know me my emotions are always high when it involves those I love). |
hurt (hurt)
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Marciee,
It is tfahey@finleyhartig.com |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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FACT: I love my children and my husband. I do believe that God is watching over our family at this time, especially our dear Ashley.
FACT: The letter from Ashley that has been in the surrounding papers, was not written by my daughter. Can you take a guess, who helped write this? Also wondering if the so called spiritual counselor with the intials M.L. helped...Would any of you like a list of these so called spiritual counselors. I have numbers, etc....}
Thanks Again everyone for all your prayers, emails, etc.
REMEMBER GOD IS ALL ABOUT SHOWING US THE TRUTH AND SHOWING US THE LIGHT.
Anyone from Chicago that would like to contact me R/T info on LHTBM, please email me. Thanks
I will once again say, this is not of God- God doesn't destroy families like this....Let the truth shine through. |
saddad (saddad)
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Does anyone know what KYO's birthday and year might be. How old is she exactly? I need this info.
We need to step up the process here folks. We want Ashley home by Christmas!
Suehue, don't make this more of an issue than it is! We need your support to bring our kids home. Don't give up the fight!! No one please, we need all of you to help us! |
saddad (saddad)
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Does anyone know what KYO's birthday and year might be. How old is she exactly? I need this info.
We need to step up the process here folks. We want Ashley and the girls home by Christmas!
Suehue, don't make this more of an issue than it is! We need your support to bring our kids home. Don't give up the fight!! No one please, we need all of you to help us! |
donna_back (donna_back)
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Roger:
I have that information and will e-mail it to you.
Donna |
saddad (saddad)
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Lora and I are ready to take on LHTBM with a class-action lawsuit. They used the Catholic Church as a leach does it's host. I have seed money only to begin the process. We are also considering action against the Arch Dioceses of Chicago for failing to act upon credible information. We have been told that they are finished with the issue and will take no further action against LHTBM! They tell us they are allowed to continue posting the signs and advertising that they are within the Catholic Church! I say NO!!!!!!!
I have news for you! Our children are missing and have been kidnapped! Cardinal George, you did not act as you should have!
Is there anyone out there willing to assist us in a financial way? I am a man of my word I can assure you that I want no personnal gain, only for my family to be whole again.
Please e-mail me with your support or thoughts at astroknott@hotmail.com
Thank you for anything you may be able to assist us with!
(Message edited by SadDad on October 15, 2005) |
marythemom (marythemom)
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Dear suehue,
Again, I did not write the copy you are attributing to me. The people at St. Joseph Communication like to sensationlize everything. It is part of their sales technique. I don't agree with it, but there isn't anything I can do about it -- they own the tapes by contract.
We are all adults here and can frankly say that Lutherans and Catholics have significant theological differences and a very different conception of what the church is. I am only one of many converts to the Catholic Church who have explained why I left Protestantism to become Catholic. I could go online and do a search and find all kinds of things on Lutheran websites about Catholics that I would disagree with. You and I could likely spend a number of hours discussing differences, but I'll wager that if a Jehovah's Witness came into the room that you and I would be united shoulder to shoulder to witness to who Jesus really is to someone who does not know him. We are both Christians and He who unties us is greater than what divides us.
I am sure also that you and I both agree that people should not be coerced or manipulated in their religious decisions. Nor should families be torn apart and children forbidden from visiting their parents. Those issues are the subject of my talks in Dubuque, not the history of Protestant denominations.
Mary Kochan |
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Posted From: 66.43.204.92
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Roger,
I have a great Idea for raising money for ashley's return. Let Mcgregor host run/walk. Mcgregor is a community that can pull something together and accomplish what needs to be done, We've done it for fire victims and many other people. You can get a hold of me pcpub M-F.
I'll do what i can do.
FIGHT THE FIGHT! |
worried (worried)
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Way back when Ashley was in Bellevue I asked about a welfare check. Couldn't this still be done in Chicago? I don't know exactly how they work, but it seems that if contacted the police MUST do one. Wouldn't it be interesting to see how the "compound" in Chicago would respond if an officer showed up at the door? And if one could be arranged with someone empathetic on the police force, maybe Ashley's mom or stepdad could accompany the officer? It shouldn't be something that frightens her, but rather shows how everyone is concerned about her welfare. The lawsuit is a good idea but of course would take TIME!! |
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Mary, thank you for your kind response. You seem a brave and honest person. Nothing will deter from the goal, which is absolute and total dissolution of the cult LHTBM. To sucessfully divide this community's struggle will bring victory to the LHTBM cult. I do not intend to allow them that opportunity. Together as a community we must stand. Mary, once again, thank you very much. Looking very forward to seeing you in Dubuque on 10/22/05. May the love of Jesus continue to give us strength - God help us, we are all only human. I fully intend to STAY ON TARGET. Thanks to all of you - this was not an easy decision. I will bring as many people as I can to the seminar. I hope this Park View room is big enough!!
sheshell |
marythemom (marythemom)
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I would like to respond to all the legal/police etc. conversation going on here lately. I am going to talk at some length about these issues next Saturday. I think you will have a better understanding of how things lie from the perspective of courts and police after that.
Mary Kochan |
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Does anyone have a photo of Dick Vogt or Kyo McDonald or anyone else in the group. I really need them for a project we are working on. You can e-mail them to me at: astroknott@hotmail.com or contact me with the information.
Also, anyone willing to speak-out about the group, we need you to do so. Please e-mail me if that would be possible or if you have important information about the group, we would love to hear from you.
Thank you,
Roger |
donna_back (donna_back)
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Roger:
I can send you those photos.
Donna |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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*Please watch channel 7 news tonight at 10pm---- and more to follow.
*Today, it's been eight weeks since I've actually seen Ashley. We love her and miss her so much.
*Continue to pray for the families affected by LHTBM.
*We are starting a support group for families/friends affected by LHTBM----please email me to get time/date at faith_mom1@hotmail.com(First meeting is tommorow evening) |
mcgregorsupport (mcgregorsupport)
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what time and where at is the support group meeting tomorrow night the 19th? |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Mcgregorsupport:
Call or email me |
redpine (redpine)
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Sondheim,
Regarding your 10/9/05 post on Dr. Sonia, et. al. and your request for comments: my experience has been quite different.
You have apparently seen a side of Sonia that I have not seen; although, it's not clear from your post whether you are talking from personal experience or hearing it from others. I have never heard anyone refer to her as Dr. Sonia. She has been the Spanish interpreter at our weekly Bible Study. I did hear from a parishioner that she is a dentist. The side of her I saw was a patient, kind, friendly person. I never saw a hint of meanest or nastiness. I find it hard to believe that we're talking about the same Sonia. Again, have you met her or are you getting this description second hand?
Red Pine |
saddad (saddad)
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I hope many of you saw the interview of Ron and Richard Mensen on KWWL, it was great!!! Lora and I are so happy to see members speak out about the group and the pain they have caused!!
Thank you Richard and Ronald! |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Does anyone have any Chicago connections? Has anyone in Chicago seen my daughter, Ashley
(on Melvina or Diversey)? Chicago Channel 5 NBC is coming to Iowa this next week. Let the truth be known. I will not give up on my daughter. I have called the arch of Chicago a few times this week, Kruzel has not returned any calls to the arch of Chicago(HE WAS TO RESPOND BACK TO THEM TWO WEEKS AGO TUESDAY, WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR). I'm asking the arch of Chicago for them to come out will another statement related to LHTBM. Are they going to hold accountable the person who was to be over seeing this so called "mission". Yes I am upset-----wouldn't you be if this was your daughter. I asked the arch of Chicago to send someone out to see Ashley and they never did. The sign stills hangs outside the building on 7011 W Diversey, saying within the Catholic Church!!!!! All the information I found in my children's rooms said within the Catholic Church.....how many others will feel misinformed...Like me---it's just not right---it's not fair..
Have any of you talked to anyone who belongs to LHTBM,they all say the same thing.
Hope to see a lot of people at the seminar in Dubuque tomorrow. I have called Leonard and Kyo at 773-745-0011(left message), Kyo's son(attempted to), Dick and Marilyn Vogt(left message), Ron(Ashley's so called dad----biological that is), Marilyn Loewen(left message), Bill and Linda Cerjak(left message) and Jan Imhof(I actually spoke to her---something new when they answer their phone--NO JAN YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW I FEEL). Do you think they will take up the invitation---are they afraid of what they might hear.
I will continue to pray that I will be allowed to see my daughter...I miss her so much...This Sunday it will be nine weeks....Dear God please watch over her and protect her.
P.S. Ron why do you continue to lie to your family. It's all about truth....Ask Ron who helped Ashley write the letter posted in the paper. Let the truth be known.
I WILL NOT GIVE UP ON YOU ASHLEY--I LOVE YOU |
jeepman (jeepman)
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Posted From: 63.145.28.66
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As of today, 10-21-05, who, besides Francis Cardinal George, OMI has formally banned LHTM?
Jeepman |
redpine (redpine)
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 63.40.144.180
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Jeepman,
LHTBM listed them in a recent press release that was posted here on 9/27 and they are as follows:
• Francis Cardinal George, O.M.I. Archbishop of Chicago, IL
• Most Rev. Jerome Hanus, O.S.B. Archbishop of Dubuque, IA
• Most Rev. Robert C. Morlino Bishop of Madison, WI
• Most Rev. Thomas G. Doran Bishop of Rockford, IL
Red Pine |
ur_busted (ur_busted)
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Posted From: 69.66.96.82
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Jeepman, where are your other posts?
There is no way I could miss all of them! Unless you...nah you're not that smart.
I'd almost bet based on your post and what is known from your tag that your looking for shark bait! |
ur_busted (ur_busted)
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Posted From: 69.66.96.82
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Jeepman, where are your other posts?
There is no way I could miss all of them! Unless you...nah you're not that smart.
I'd almost bet based on your post and what is known from your tag that your looking for shark bait! Future posts will tell an ok story. |
jeepman (jeepman)
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Posted From: 63.145.28.66
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What in the world are you talking about, ur? Your statement is rambling and nonsense. Clarify, please. |
suehue (suehue)
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Posted From: 69.66.142.21
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UR
There are many, many other forums on FactNet, and this is but a small corner of it. Jeepman has posted on other boards concerning cults so is not trying to put anything over on anyone.
It does not help if people coming to this forum for information are attacked all the time. Please, everyone, think before you react. |
ur_busted (ur_busted)
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Posted From: 69.66.96.104
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Why do you think your post numbers begin at #26? |
wwjd (wwjd)
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.188.117.13
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The seminar today by Mary Kochan was very intersting and a very informative seminar.
Thank you to all of those that got it together.
Great job on your part.
WWJD |
jeepman (jeepman)
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Posted From: 63.145.28.66
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Hello, Sue. I have posted primarily on the Community Chapel & Bible Training Center board as I had a friend involved in that sad mess. I love Factnet. If nothing else, this entire forum causes one to think and soul-search. BTW, my real name is Jonathan and the Jeepman moniker is simply because I own a Jeep Cherokee. I love that gashog!
Jeepman |
jeepman (jeepman)
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Posted From: 63.145.28.66
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(Message edited by Jeepman on October 22, 2005) |
mononah (mononah)
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Posted From: 209.152.116.167
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I certainly have no intention of jumping down someone's throat about postings. I am curious as I but wonder why the question if on top of things, be this site or another part of Fact net !
Maybe a bit more information will come down the pike, but curious and for the defender..Questions can and should be asked without a mode of being improper..
God Bless, NOT ONE MORE, Keep the Spirit.. |
wwjd (wwjd)
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Posted From: 64.12.117.12
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Faith Mom,
I talked to you at the seminar regarding putting the video Roger taped on Dubuque's Mediacom.
I think it's nice for others to be able to hear what Mary Kochan said about the process of cults.
I talked to a friend and this is what she emailed me."As far as the video just stop by MediaCom and ask what time slots are open and sign up for a few of them for a few weeks. Know how long the tape is.
MediaCom's pretty open to a variety of topics."
That's about all I can tell you, the number in the telephone book is an 800 number, If I have the local number at work I'll send that to you.
Let me know if there's something I can help with.
WWJD |
suehue (suehue)
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Posted From: 69.66.142.21
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Hi Johnathan, I am Susan. What's a nice guy from the east coast doing in this mid-west mess??? You have stumbled into a highly emotionally charged board right now. That is certainly not an excuse, just a reason. Hopefully people can settle down and start to think with their heads soon.
Most of the reaction to "newcomers" here is one of attack lately. Case in point is Red Pine, jeepman and AgThorn. People have come here for information and find themselves being attacked in a very unchristian and paranoid manner. Nobody should be treated that way - it is shameful. Mononah, I agree, questions can and should be asked - but I am sad to say that the "mode" is far from proper here anymore. |
saddad (saddad)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Donna, you are correct! The seminar was very good! Thanks again for all your efforts in helping bring Mary Kochan to Dubuque. Lora and I are happy with the turnout with one exception. We really wanted Ron Fahey there and other members of LHTBM. With the forum and manner of presentation, these folks may have gained some knowledge and understanding of what they have gotten themselves into in a non-threatening way.
As for checking our emotions, again you are correct. I myself learned a lesson or two on this thread. Sorry Redpine! When your dealing with lost family members, emotions tend to run high!
Thanks to all of you that attended Mary's Presentation on "High Control Groups". |
mononah (mononah)
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Posted From: 209.152.116.178
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suehue
It is understood that you are the official spokes person on this topic, site administrator, and thus your posting of October 14th did not give me that impression...
But now that you are, would you please specify some guideines, rules and what one can post and cannot? IN a nice way it would be helpful !
Tho a quiet tenacious worker on this cult, not all is posted on this site, and questions are asked of me for a purpose, and to me no mode of question is out of order. Unless a personal attack, but then please clerify. I don't think I have personally attacked anyone and if so then I am a person to justly apologize for.
But Un-christian and or Paranoid is but obsurd, thus you might want to take your postings to task as well.
Any and all information that is not posted on the long hours of work are sent to Rev. Jerome Hanus, and thus will continue to be....hereinafter and comment only made when the guidelines are established.
But would be a assurance to me anyway what your self appointed and or appointed guidelines are out all I can regarding the subject...all chiefs and no indians makes for a dull group and reporter of inquiry !
This is no attack on you or anyone, just the facts and again questions if acceptable and in the proper "mode"}
God bless, NOT ONE MORE, Keep the Spirit. |
crt (crt)
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Posted From: 66.167.68.232
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To anyone who was a member of LHTBM and got out: how much money were you 'encouraged' to give? How much did you give? What was expected? Was there a constant focus on giving money to the group? Thanks. |
marythemom (marythemom)
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Posted From: 68.158.250.139
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Hi, everybody,
I just want to give a great big THANK YOU to everyone in Dubuque who showed me such wonderul hospitality while I was there. It was a pleasure to see such a beautiful part of the country at this time of year and especially when the beauty of the surroundings was matched by the kindness of the people I met.
Blessings to all of you,
Mary Kochan |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Mary,
I am so thankful for you coming to Dubuque this past weekend. The information you gave us was very helpful.
I remember the day I called Florida and they gave me your number, they referred me to you.(I am very greatful to the lady from MN that gave me that #)Those first few weeks were kind of a blurr, I think I was in shock to everything that was happening to our family. I remember the day coming home and you left a message on my machine, Mary. I remember calling Roger at work and telling him we just have to bring in this speaker to educate us all. Roger and Donna spoke it over and things went from there.
Thank you ----we will start getting this info you presented to us out to everyone who requests it----we all think its so important to have this info---people need to be educated.
There were so many people that I am greatful for---like anyone who has spoken out about LHTBM---the people who make phone calls constantly, the awareness must get out there. We are all working toward the same goals. Our hearts all ache for our loved ones---we all need peace at heart.
I want people to know that my husband and I went public with this, not to make people upset with us, but to give us some type of peace within ourselves and to our families. My parents have always taught be to be strong and I will continue to be. To the families that have been affected by LHT don't ever think that we are trying to hurt you in anyway..We must continue to work together and ask God for his guidance.
I am asking for more families to speak out---I know how hard it is. But I also understand if you don't want to. But if you can offer us any information it would be greatly appreciated. My address is P.O. Box 58 , McGregor.
We must continue to call the arch and ask more questions. Let's find out more info on Kyo and Leonard. It will be three weeks Tues that Leonard was suppose to respond to the arch of Chicago and he hasn't-----you would think the arch of Chicago, could now come out with a stonger statement.
Please dear God watch over Ashley and the "other sisters" ----please protect them and let them communicate with there loved ones.
God Bless,
Lora |
suehue (suehue)
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Posted From: 69.66.142.21
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FYI from the FactNet Guidelines:
FACTNet message board suggestions and guidelines:
"When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for the other person. Great minds do not always think alike!" |
donna_back (donna_back)
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Posted From: 12.217.126.235
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Suehue has become a dear friend of mine. Her postings are always very factual and Christian. She has been a tremendous supporter of our cause. She "gets" it: this fight is about getting the truth about Agnes Kyo McDonald. A lot of our loved ones have been lost; the only way we have any chance of getting them back home is to get to the root of the problem. The media focus needs to be on that if they are to be effective at all.
Agnes Kyo: You're the root. You're why we're fighting this fight. We're getting closer and closer to what you don't want us to know.
Fight the Fight
Donna
(Message edited by donna back on October 24, 2005) |
randy (randy)
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Posted From: 64.198.85.93
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Saturday’s seminar was great for reinforcing everything I have learned and studied about cults over the last year or so.
The Telegraph Herald did a decent story on the seminar. Unfortunately the television media still doesn’t get the big picture. The subject of Saturday’s seminar was understanding high control groups. The reason Donna and Joanne brought Mary Kochan into town was to help us all get a better understanding of cults which might help us better understand LHTBM and the motivation behind Agnus Kyo McDonald.
Thank you Donna, and Joanne. Thank you Roger for helping with the funding as well. I hope there was enough donation money to reimburse the out of pocket expenses. If not please email me.
I must say I was very disappointed to see the focus of the TV media coverage to be about one person or one family instead of the many many families that have been torn apart by this cult. Most of these families had representation at the seminar. Shame on the television media for trying to turn this sad situation into a media circus and a ratings race. In the case of my family, we have eleven members of our family in LHTBM. Some of which have been in since the very beginning and most for 5-8 years. We’ve been dealing with LHTBM issues and the effects it’s had on our family for a long, very long time.
I guess what I’m trying to get at here is that I’m not sure the media circus these two stations have created is helping our cause. The focus is all wrong in my opinion and I think it needs to change if it’s going to help us get our family members out. This is in no way an attack against Roger and Lora. I totally understand their pain and feel for their situation. But we must (again in my opinion) keep the focus on Agnus Kyo McDonald and the Catholic Church. She and the church are the reason that we’re all in this mess. The church, mainly the Archdiocese of Chicago, had the opportunity to put an end to this years ago, and should have. If the media isn’t interested in our focus then we don’t need their help.
Agnus Kyo McDonald IS the story here. She’s always has been the key to cracking open this cult by exposing her for what she is, a Con Artist. The Archdiocese of Chicago needs to take some responsibility here and help to solve this situation as well. Helping the families involved would be a good start. The Archdiocese certainly has the deep pockets to assist in the investigation of Kyo, and could offer much in the way of counseling and helping families cope with this situation. (Let’s face it, their money is our money)
There are many Ashley’s in LHTBM. They go by names like, Marilyn, Mary, Sue, Juanita, Mike, Ashley C, Tim, Teresa, Annie, Jacob, and the list goes on and on. Read the sad letters in LHTBM’s publications. All those kids are there, in the same situation. This story is just as sad for them as it is for Ashley Fayhee.
If the media was really trying to help us “the victims” they should stick some resources into investigating Kyo instead of all the media coverage they’ve been doing over the past weeks. KYO is THE STORY. Look into her background. Do some REAL investigative work like a few of us have been doing behind the scenes for well over a year now. THE STORY IS AGNUS KYO McDONALD – PERIOD.
I certainly hope the Chicago station coming out to the area takes the high ground here and does the story correctly. When they contacted me I made it very clear as to what the focus of their investigation would have to be. KYO.
Lastly I want to again thank all of you who worked so hard to bring this seminar to Dubuque. It certainly has been an eye opener. Also thank you Mary Kochan for doing such a great job.
Rick
(Message edited by randy on October 24, 2005) |
saddad (saddad)
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Posted From: 68.208.150.227
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Thank you Randy and you are correct. Please remember, our agenda is two-fold. Education and bringing our kids home. If people would have told us about what you people were going through behind the scenes, this may not have happened to our family. That is why we made the bold move to go public.
Perhaps we have worn out our welcome on this thread. |
crabby_patti (crabby_patti)
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Posted From: 64.240.29.101
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Donna, I didn't attend the seminar on Saturday, so I don't know what transpired to make you so hostile towards Roger and Lora. Why are you lashing out at someone who is in the same boat as you and so many other families affected by LHTBM? Roger and Lora are doing their best to get their daughter home. They are coping the best way they can. They have not asked for the media attention. They aren't in it for the glory for themselves. The reason they do it, is to try and spread the word of the affects of LHTBM has had on them and Ashley. If anyone is to blame for part of the media storm it's me. I contacted KWWL the first week Ashley was gone from home. I felt media attention would help the cause, and I feel that it has. In my opinion, i feel that the media spurred the arch in Dbq a little to get the word out.
The media will go after the story that pulls on the heart strings i.e. Ashley. Besides, it is hard for the media to go after Kyo when she won't return their phone calls. Also, the media won't air or print a story with only half the facts. As you all are aware of it takes time to investigate; look at how long it took the church.
Donna_back's post
"I choose to align myself with people who speak factually and can keep their emotions in check. I made the speaker arrangements and my sister made all the other arrangements (venue, lodging, etc.). Let's give credit where credit is due."
Is it not hard to keep emotions in check when your daughter, mother, brother, niece, nephew go off to join a cult? There are times when emotions get out of hand. I believe yours just did in that post. Everyone sounded that like the seminar was a success. Knowing that should be credit enough.
Saddad posted this when you posted about bringing Mary here. "I am making a considerable financial contribution to her arrival as are others." I'm not taking credit away from you or your sister, but don't you think that it is pety to fight over who is getting credit for the seminar? Shouldn't you be taking what you learned from it and implementing it in your own family fight with the LHTBM?
Lora posted this:
"I want people to know that my husband and I went public with this, not to make people upset with us, but to give us some type of peace within ourselves and to our families. My parents have always taught be to be strong and I will continue to be. To the families that have been affected by LHT don't ever think that we are trying to hurt you in anyway..We must continue to work together and ask God for his guidance" Lora
Right there sums up what the focus should be. Everyone might have a different agenda, but I think we all have the same goal of getting our loved ones home and LHTBM disbanded.
I will continue to pray for Ashley as well as ALL the others who have become victims of this cult. |
hurt (hurt)
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Posted From: 63.252.26.93
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Channel 5 from Chicago will be interviewing Lora, Donna, Ronald and Richard Menson today and tomorrow. I am not certain when it will air - if someone knows please list the date and time here on factnet.
I must say I am not certain why all of a sudden the cattyness is starting. We all need to remain close and focused on getting Juanita and Ashley HOME. And to make sure that this WILL NEVER happen to anybody in any other family. Period. Saturday, was very interesting to me and it was heart warming to see all of us there learning facts on how to get the girls home. It is a terrible shame that all this pettiness is happening. All this talk about keeping emotions in tack - well in my opinion emotions are much more tolerable then this bickering. Not one person at that meeting intended to hurt anyone - the meeting took place because many people put effort forth and it was appreciated by many many many more. I for one wish I could do more -for Ashley and for every single person affected by this cult. I would not wish the life that I have been living for the last 9 weeks on my worse enemy. Please, everyone lets stick together and remain focused on the real issues. And let's be there for each other not picking at each other. Every person that had something to do with getting Mary here to Dubuque no matter how little or how large deserves gratitude from us all. So, please people lets not turn this into a battle between us when the real battle here is to GET RID OF LHTBM and saving Ashley and Juanita and the many many many more that are there. Please.
And I believe that the more publicity the better - LHTBM needs to be shut down. And in my
opinion one way to help that move along more quickly is through the television, radio, news papers and whatever else is available to show people what LHTBM is really about - this cult should not be allowed to destroy one more family - has everyone has been saying "NOT ONE MORE"!!
With Love to All,
Tamee |
randy (randy)
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Post Number: 33
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Posted From: 64.198.85.93
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Roger I quote from your post above-
“If people would have told us about what you people were going through behind the scenes, this may not have happened to our family. That is why we made the bold move to go public. “
I’m either confused or don’t understand your sentence above. What people should have told you (us) what we (you people) people were going through behind the scenes?
We’ve (the Hale’s, Susan, Donna, Joanne and my extended family) been alone in this fight against Kyo’s group for such a long time. The 8 or 9 weeks you have been involved in this issue probably seems like eternity but believe me when I say it’s only the beginning. It’s only been of late when the Bellevue Herald Leader and the Telegraph Herald brought this story to the public did any of this come to light. Actually if memory serves (feel free to check my facts) the Bellevue Herald Leader “broke” the story wide open to the public, then the TH followed. Before that we were ALONE. There were no people to get the word out. Our cries for help to both Dubuque and Chicago Diocese fell for the most part unanswered. I can’t begin to describe the thousands of hours our families put into research and letter writing, and phone calls, etc. Most of which has been done at the great expense of short changing our children of the precious little time a parent has to spend with their children after work or on weekends. All spent in an effort to get our loved ones out of something we were still grappling with to understand. I’ve stayed in this fight not only to get our family members out, but to keep others informed so they don’t lose a loved one, a child, a parent or spouse. I’m sorry if we people didn’t get to you sooner.
As far as the portion of your comment, “this may not have happened to our family” goes. Sorry but if you’re looking for someone to shoulder blame for what happened to Ashley, there isn’t anybody to blame short of Kyo. Of course we as parents always blame ourselves. And I guess that is where the blame needs to go as well. We are the ones in charge of the kids lives, the ones responsible for them and the actions they take. But then I guess you know that by now. I suppose that maybe if you had gone searching about LHTBM well before Ashley left; you would have found the Factnet website. Possibly it would have raised some red flags. Maybe you would have found my email address and emailed me. I know we’ve never exchanged views until today. But it’s too late to close the gate after the horse has left the coral.
I hope if an opportunity presents itself again to get Ashley out, you take the initiative needed to get her out. After hearing Mary discuss in the seminar how long people stay in cults, one more day is to long.
Let’s stick with the facts everyone. Let’s take the fight to Kyo not ourselves.
Continue to Fight the Fight.
Randy
(Message edited by randy on October 24, 2005) |
randy (randy)
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Posted From: 64.198.85.93
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Hey Roger,
You may have me confused with someone else. We never met Saturday.
Each time there was a break, I looked over to see if I could come and introduce myself to you but there was always either a media person with you two, or you were involved in a conversation and I didn't want to interrupt. I had met Lora a few weeks ago and wanted to say hi to her as well, but that didn't work out. I wasn't able to stay long afterwards, as I had to get back to my kids.
I think going "public" has brought a lot of attention to the issue and probably moved the Two Dioceses to make a statement sooner than they may have otherwise. Unfortunately it took Ashley's decision to join a convent in a religious order that doesn't exist to get them off the dime.
At this point in my opinion we ALL need to close ranks and work TOGETHER to continue getting the story out there. But I contend the focus needs to be exposing Kyo and the mission. Maybe WMAQ channel 5 in Chicago will do a good job investigating not only LHTBM but also the Chicago Archdiocese. Maybe they can interview Cardinal George and get to the bottom of why he let this go on and on, and why he assigned Len Kruzel to the group with no over-site.
I know there are a lot of photographs floating around of these wacky culties. If channel 5 displayed some of them in their story to show how crazy and how Non Catholic this group is, it too would also help.
Roger you said above, “Lora and I have done nothing wrong here. I refuse to apologize doing what we have done thus far.”
I’m not sure if that comment was meant towards me or not. If so I don’t think I accused either you or Lora of doing anything wrong, nor do I think there is anything to apologize for. I however apologize for spelling Ashley’s name wrong and will correct my posts. |
saddad (saddad)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Thank you Rick, I may have you confused with someone else that introduced themselves to me at the end.
Sorry to have offened anyone here. It was not our itent to do so. We all have a mission and we may not agree with each other all of the time, but that is ok.
Thank you all for your support and understanding. |
georgia_peach (georgia_peach)
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Posted From: 24.98.12.109
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Donna, Roger, and Lora,
Don't you think everyone is just tired and frustrated. I am so sorry I could not make the seminar on Sat. But meeting you guys last week was so heartwarming. Donna, looking into your eyes as your talked about Nita, and the tears welling up, touched me to the core. You are truly an inspiration, and have kept me grounded this last year. Roger and Lora, reading about your Ashley also touched my heart immensely. She has a lot in common with my daughter, the dicipline of being a runner, a great student, and a tender heart. God has a special purpose for all of these special young ladies. You know God is not the author of confusion, the devil is. Let us continue to fight the fight for all the family members in this horribly destructive cult. Love Ya'll, Susan |
georgia_peach (georgia_peach)
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YOU GUYS ARE THE BOMB!!!!Love Ya'll, Susan |
saddad (saddad)
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Susan, Bad day also. Thanks for your kind words. They mean alot to us and your visit was a warm welcome!
Thank you! |
mcgregorsupport (mcgregorsupport)
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wow!! very interesting postings. I bet the cult people are loving this. I like to thank Roger and laura for bring this cult out in the public. For I have a daughter that is 15 and it is scary!
I also see that everyone wants credit for what ever! I heard this and needed you all to hear it.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when it doesn't matter who gets the credit. FIGHT THE FIGHT.
All your families are in my prayers. |
wwjd (wwjd)
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Mcgregorsupport,
I agree, with your first statement. Unfortunately there has been some hurt feelings from Saturday, but if LHTBM is reading this they are truly loving all the action of tonight.
I do not have family members but do know former members and some current members in it, I went on Saturday to sit back and learn more. And I learned very much it was definately a worth while day.
My prayers go out to all the families involved, and I pray that with the help of the Lord, many good things will come out of this for everyone, it may not be today, tomorrow or the near future but I believe God will take control and the fight will be fought.
God Bless to all of you and don't allow LHTBM to see this good group of people fall apart, the goal is for LHTBM to fall apart.
WWJD |
wwjd (wwjd)
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Mcgregorsupport,
I agree, with your first statement. Unfortunately there has been some hurt feelings from Saturday, but if LHTBM is reading this they are truly loving all the action of tonight.
I do not have family members but do know former members and some current members in it, I went on Saturday to sit back and learn more. And I learned very much it was definately a worth while day.
My prayers go out to all the families involved, and I pray that with the help of the Lord, many good things will come out of this for everyone, it may not be today, tomorrow or the near future but I believe God will take control and the fight will be fought.
God Bless to all of you and don't allow LHTBM to see this good group of people fall apart, the goal is for LHTBM to fall apart.
WWJD |
marciee (marciee)
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Posted From: 24.207.252.58
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CRT asked the other day:
"To anyone who was a member of LHTBM and got out: how much money were you 'encouraged' to give? How much did you give? What was expected? Was there a constant focus on giving money to the group?"
I am also interested in knowing what sort of financial commitments are made to the group - is there anyone who can answer these questions? |
wwjd (wwjd)
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The Biography television station is having an episode regarding leaders of cults, it's on this evening, either 9 or 10.
It maybe more than some want to see, it's good that people are putting this out for others to realize that there are cults around.
Like I said I'm not sure what it entails, I just saw an add on the TV a little while ago.
FYI |
crt (crt)
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crabby_patti: crabby fits you well. Good for Donna that she can ignore your absurd post. YOU are the one being hostile and lashing out (and did with redpine, agthorn, others...). Post messages that make sense and are meaningful. |
mcs (mcs)
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Posted From: 137.104.15.14
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Donna,
I an sorry to have missed this saturday's seminar but things are not great around here as of the last 6 weeks. However, I have prayed many novenas and intersessory prayers for success on Saturday. I hope it was all that you had hoped for and touched many more people that were not aware of such things. How many showed? Did you raise enough$$? Please let me know if you are short I wouldn't want all of your efforts to go under the money crucnch especially after all the time, energy and funds all of us have invested in it.
PLease pray for the emotions to settle down. We are all of God's children embroiled in a precarious predicatment that needs to look and labor for the total exposure of the group AND ITS LEADERS, then disolvement, and finally the return of our loving family members back to us so that we can help them heal and in turn hopefully grow in the Roman Catholic Church the correct way accroding to the magesterium.
yes, we need to regroup and become a more cohesive and forceful unit. A solid unit that is not just putting LHTBM out there and in people's faces. WE NEED TO PUT THE FACES OF KYO, LENNY BOY AND ALL THE HIGH END GROUPIES IN PAPERS AND MEDIA. ALL OF THEM MUST ANSWER TO THE MEDIA AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. EXPOSURE IS TOP PRORITY.
NOT ONE MORE!! FIGHT ON!!
mary |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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WWJD--What station is that biography station?
Channel 5 (Chicago)will get back to us when they will have it on the news.
The Catholic New World(it's like our Witness) had another article in it related to LHTBM (one dated October 9-22)There web site is www.CatholicNewWorld.com. Did't really say anything we didn't already know.
I'm going to have some tapes made(speaker sat), I know they take a few days to get back. You can email me if you would like one.
Good luck today Donna---you can do it. Media is our answer. Thank you |
crabby_patti (crabby_patti)
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Sorry you feel that way crt. Donna was venting in a post and Roger reacted. I was writing in response to now retracted posts. If you didn't catch those posts then it looks like my post doesn't make sense. It did in context. As far as my user name - it comes from SpongeBob. |
wwjd (wwjd)
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Faith Mom,
Sorry about the station, I think it was on last night. Unfortunately I fell asleep.
I have a dish, so I'm not sure what channel it would have been on cable tv. I know I use to get the biography channel on cable, so I know Dbq has access to it, not sure about McGregor.
If I see anything else I'll get more detail and let you know.
WWJD |
marciee (marciee)
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Thanks very much. |
crt (crt)
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Thanks. I'm surprised, though, that it isn't pushed more. Isn't that typically one of the main focuses of a cult? Money and power? On KWWL last week (I only read the article; I didn't see the news clip) one of the guys interviewed said that some people gave up savings, pensions, etc., so I assumed that most members are probably contributing quite a bit. |
killcat (killcat)
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Would like to express my feelings concerning the news media and the coverage that has been received. I, for one, am very grateful that they have given the situation all the coverage they have since it was brought to their attention. While we might want them to focus more on Agnes and crew, any coverage brings this cult to the attention of people and that is important. As things develop, my hope is they will continue to expose whatever information becomes available. By airing stories on this group, I feel a blow has been struck and I am sure they aren't thrilled about the coverage. My username sounds rather odd but was picked in a hurry as Curious was taken so I thought of curiousity killed the cat - hence the name. |
faith_mom (faith_mom)
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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New York ABC called me yesterday, the gentlemen I spoke with is working on a story for primetime 20/20. We will get to the bottom of this one way or another. Everyone keep making calls, talk about it-spread the word of what this group is doing to families and most of all continue to pray for resolution of this nightmare and for all people affected by lhtbm. Please allow me to see my daughter.
Lora |
donna_back (donna_back)
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wecare:
The "hat money" was to cover ALL expenses incurred by the seminar, similar to a business expense report. It definitely will go toward Mary's expenses. Roger put up $1,000 to cover Mary's flight and speaking fee. He will be paid back IN FULL. He already has $370 of that $1,000 back (in contributions sent to his home) and will get the remainder this week. However, that did not cover Mary's lodging, meals, the venue, etc. My sister put that money upfront, and she also will be paid back IN FULL.
If there is anything left, we will use it for investigative purposes. I mentioned that Saturday and asked if anyone had a problem with that, they should see me. No one saw me about it, so I can only assume the contributors had no problem with it.
I'd like to give a special thanks to a silent supporter without whose help we would not have covered Saturday's events. You know who you are! 
Thanks~
Donna
(Message edited by donna back on October 26, 2005) |
saddad (saddad)
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Posted From: 68.208.150.227
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crt,
Lora and I have also traced over half a million dollars of support for LHTBM in the Dubuque area alone to add to what Donna has stated. We also know of a family in Chicago who gave over $250,000. Those are just the ones we know about. Hard to say how many we don't know about. |
mcs (mcs)
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RE: The article in the TH today
How interesting that a man that has been educated at two Catholic Universities hasn't a clue to what is really going on. He talks of religious orders but doesn't see the entire picture of either LHTBM or true recognized Catholic orders. Hey Mister, you don't issolate people COMPLETELY from families. You don't use security cameras, heavy locks and guns to keep people in and others out!!!
THE LEADER IS VISIBLE<IDENTIFIABLE, AND CAN CARRY OUT A CONVERSTATION WITH THOSE WHO SEEK INFORMATION. THE RELIGIOUS ORDERS ARE FINANCIALLY ACCOUNTABLE TO THE BISHOP.
I think Professor Munshower is either coneccted in some way to LHTBM, is seeking a Utopia, or unwilling to seek answers beyond what is published in the media.
This is one very strong emphasis I place on my high school CCD students. The media is not the only source of information and most often is not accurate when relating the facts. If you want to know what the Catholic Church teaches seek answers from the Catholic Church!! Often the media is its own worse enemy.
I sure would like to take this to a one on one conversation with this man. Me thinks he has some friends and ties to the Kyo lunatics |
saddad (saddad)
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To all:
The time to act is now! This story is about to become explosive. This is the one and only way to bring this group down. We have been receiving several e-mails from ex-members and members of families who have family members in LHTBM.
Don't hesitate now! We need everyone. The families in Chicago who have been hurt, MO,IA,WI please come public. Closed doors and reading Factnet will get you nowhere! Let's Educate and form a group large enough to bring this group to it's knees.
Many of you said you will do what you can to help. Well, what are you waiting for??
Call Chicago Arch Diocese, the press, whoever will listen. Do it now or risk losing your family members forever! E-Mail me at astroknott@hotmail.com
I will put you in touch with the press!!
One week from now might be to late! This isn't just about Ashley, it's about people YOU love and care for. So do what ou need to do NOW!! Let's bring our family home where they belong! |
redpine (redpine)
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For those of you that may not have access to TH Online, the following is the Eric Munshower article referred to by mcs:
Oct 27, 2005
Mission reporting: What's the big deal?
Excessive coverage ignores historical precedent involving religious orders
by ERIC MUNSHOWER
After reading the Telegraph Herald's five front-page articles on the Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission, I am at a loss to understand the Dubuque community's concern and fixation with this group.
Perhaps if the members of the mission spent more time at a worthy cause - such as an effort to get a Red Lobster Restaurant to Dubuque - they might garner more support.
Three general concerns have been expressed about Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission.
First, the desire of members, including Ms. Fahey, to serve the mission results from a lack of reflection on the decision.
Second, Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission is somehow cult-like in its expectation of obedience and its secretive nature.
Finally, Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission needs to be reviewed by the proper authorities, which does not include the members of the mission or the father of Ms. Fahey, but does include officials of the Catholic Church.
If it is correct that Ms. Fahey rushed to her decision, in a few years Ms. Fahey will decide to leave Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission, and her actions are just a "stage." I know in my own youth, I considered leaving college to find my calling following the Grateful Dead. Oddly, I don't recall any prayer services to keep me in school.
For many of the young people I teach, getting religion, losing religion, following the Grateful Dead, body piercing and wearing ridiculous styles are stages they go through. This week, Ms. Fahey may simply want to do something other than go to college. Alternatively, it may be that Ms. Fahey has made a lifelong commitment, and she will find personal peace and God's calling in the mission.
In either case, I have a hard time understanding why people are hesitant to respect the decision of an adult to join a group with which she has six years of experience.
That the choice to become active in Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission upsets some friends and family and that it makes the front page of the TH really speaks volumes to the present thinking of our culture. It is as if, as Steven Carter notes in "The Culture of Disbelief," we are collectively saying, "No one really believes that, do they?" Yes, some people really do want to dedicate their lives to serve others.
The second issue involves a concern that Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission is too secretive and demands too much obedience of its members. The members view themselves as being members of an emerging religious community. In the Catholic tradition, it is not odd for a religious community to expect its members to act in a devotional and obedient manner.
As an example, two of my aunts were members of the Sisters of Providence, which they left home to join at age 16. After entering the order, they were allowed to return home only to attend their parents' funerals and they were required to neither eat nor sleep outside of the Mother House.
While most communities have moved away from this strict discipline, not all groups have. The Trappist communities around Dubuque serve as quiet reminders of disciplined orders in our midst.
Finally, I am surprised people view the rulings by Chicago and Dubuque archdioceses against recognition of Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission as a Catholic order as relevant to the mission's work. The history of the Catholic faith is filled with orders and movements that have been discouraged only to become legitimate years later.
For example, the Jesuits were encouraged, suppressed and later encouraged by the church. Even our local Trappists communities started as reformist movement against the archbishop's Order of Saint Benedict.
Please, define the legitimacy of Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission based on the work of the community and the lives the members live and not the opinion of the good bishop. One only needs to read the TH's other great topic of discussion - the near-monthly summary of the lawsuits resulting from the good bishops' guidance, to see the limited capacity of their oversight.
Love Holy Trinity Blessed Mission's version of Catholicism is certainly not for me. As to Ms. Fahey's decision to begin serving as a sister, I encourage her to go in peace, love and to serve the Lord by making this world a better place. Good luck to Ms. Fahey.
Munshower is an assistant professor of business at the University of Dubuque. He earned his doctorate from Purdue University and his bachelor's of science degree from Saint John's University. Copyright 2005 Telegraph Herald |
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Posted From: 66.43.214.203
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Eric Munshower,
First of all were you ask to write this, due to one of the spiritual directors of LHTBM----has a family member going to University of Dbq..
All we want is our questions answered, I'm sure you can understand that.
I advise you to do your homework, since you are a professor and all.
We will continue to fight our fight----with the spiritual guidance we are receiving---we will not give up on our families...
I pray that you find understanding---from our viewpoint..... |
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