| Author | Message | ||
     the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
My morning started with a bunch of UPCI'ers trying to sell me donuts to finance their religious cult. Then I sat in a pentecostal church and listened to the most sickening prayer ever! This preacher called the older(10 ten-years-old) of his two daughters to the pulpit. Calling her a prophetess, the preacher explained that his younger daughter had recently had a birthday party. It was raining, he said. So the prophetess prayed to God for the rain to stop. After the party, the prophetess prayed to God to restart the rain! Encomium broke out all over the room. Virtually everyone was expressing themselves in faked infantile gibberish. Do you really believe God answers self-centered prayers? Get real! I still have a hard time believing intelligent people would fall for these snake-oil salesmen. Here is a deal for UPCI’ers. Sell donuts for me, at least I will take the money and feed the homeless with it. | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
still the liar and the hypocrite tell me what church you are with | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
I like you, too, Mr. Arron. Thank you sweetie! | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
still the liar and the hyppocrite wont tell what church you are affilated with or go to | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Aaron, To be fair, does it really matter waht church he attends? If so, why? | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Aaron, To be fair, does it really matter waht church he attends? If so, why? | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
because he she is always condemning pentecostal religions. yet he she will never tell why they believe that or what church they are affiliated with or what the belive . denom. doesnt matter to me but if you are going to condemn just one then tell why and what you are affiated with | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Come Mr. Arron, I have answered your question repeatedly. God commanded that I take up an apologetic ministry ministering to those caught up in the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism. I condemn all aberrant religions, not just the filthology of pentecostalism. Now let us be honest for a moment. The only reason you are interested in which church I attend is so you can start an argument to distract from the garbology of pentecostalism. Get over it! | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
again you lie you have not told what church you are affieated with and as far as GOD telling you to warn aganist pentecostal.. ha that is a out right lie it wasnt GOD but a demon | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Aaron, What proof do you have that it was a demon? Please be specific. | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
because that whichis not of GOD is demon inspired | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 51 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. Arron: Quoting: "because that whichis not of GOD is demon inspired" End quote. Are you finally acknowledging the origins of pentecostalism? | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
no, i ma acknowledgeing that you are aliar and a person who has something to hide as you do not tell what church you are affiliated with. are you ashamed of it or afraid that they will turn you out? untill i get an answer to this question... i will not believe anything you say. you for one have it in for pentecostals. you have been offended or hurt by some one there fore you judge them all as being something they are not. so untill you will tell me, if you even go , what church you are of no i will not believe you | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Aaron, You did not give any proof! How do you know that atm did not receive this from God? Where is your proof, other than you established belief? | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
bear if you will read his post on the other pentecostal thread where he called JESUS a fool and a aligator, i thinh it was mouth and said that some in the biblee were stilll lost you will find why.. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Come now, Mr. Arron, I simply quoted Mrs. Acts238. Her religion is one that promotes compromise. The people in Acts 8:12; Acts 19:1; Matthew 7; Matthew 25; and quiet a few in the desert, in fact, were lost. | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
well i gues if someone was to know about being lost you would for you are | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Come Mr. Arron, I can read the Bible. Can you? | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 57 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
atam what faith are you and what bible of any do you read. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Come Mr. Arron just answer my question for once. Can you read the Bible? | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
i do rea and i do study the bible GODSWROD. i know the teacheings of many curches and have found that the pentecostal are the closest too THE TRUTH. now you answer my question what faith are you and dwhat bible if any do you read | ||
| rachelengland Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 58 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
arron have you clicked on this link? $1,000,000.00 Dollars U.S. REWARD http://cultministry.angelcities.com/reward.html | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
rachelengland ... tatm no more has 1000,000.00 than i have a thousand. he sh what ever he she is is a liar and an athesist too | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.71.84.118 |
Arron, if you want to know about TATM's beliefs, then I suggest that you visit the site rachel quoted above. That is "THE" site where you can learn what TATM is all about. Sometimes, we gotta do our own homework. This may be one of those times arron. | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
i did go to where rachel said and that is my opinion of false tatm and his lies | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 70 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. Arron: Read this verse. "And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." Acts 19:1 - 2 (KJV). Here is a link in case you do not have a Bible. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Act/Act019.html#top What does that verse say in reference to the Holy ghost? | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Hello Mr. Ezekiel_37: You may or may not like the porno site pentecostalism built in my honor better than the site referenced above. You walk on a pentecostal carefully. Somewhere is a website named Master Baites with my name on it. The pentecostal bishop who started the site lives in OKC and drives a hearse part time. | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
they received THE HOLY GHOST what are you trying to prove now | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
and what porno site haas been built in you honor and why | ||
| rachelengland Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 60 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
That site should probably should be kept private....R | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Come Mr. Arron, you claim to understand English. Read exactly what the verse says, not what your religion told you to say. And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." Acts 19:1 - 2 (KJV). | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
but the fact remains that they received THE HOLY GHOST, DONT LEAVE OUT THE VERSES | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. Arron, if you can not read the Bible, how do you know your preacher is not lying? IF you can read the Bible, please do so. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 57 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
Hey TATM, why do you ignore this question? I am truly curious just how God "commanded" you to "take up" your "ministry". Please, illuminate us! | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. MCMSTAFF78: IF you are really interested, ask God. If you are simply looking for an argument, keep looking. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 58 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
Why would you infer from my question that I'm "looking for an argument"? You have mentioned your "calling" and used it to provide some credence, from you POV, as to what you do here. I'm simply asking for some explanation. St. Paul's calling is recorded a couple times in scriptures for the whole world to see. You've equated yourself with him, I would think you would wish to emulate him in this as well. You also are very good at asking questions, but not so good at answering them. | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
amen mom | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. MCMSTAFF78 . . . come sir! is there something you ain't telling me? quoting: "Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 10:10 am: arron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- amen mom | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 87 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
hey mcm i thought it was mom i am sorry so amen mcm | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 89 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
tatm is it possible that you are a person who has been on this site before who i gave the word too and you left and now are back under a different name. you have the same problem and talk like they do | ||
| mcmstaff78 Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 64 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
I thought he wrote "mon" - Jamaican or something. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
I must say, TATM, you've developed avoiding the question into a fine art. I'm impressed. Care to elucidate on your "calling"? | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. MCMSTAFF78: I did answer your question. You chose not to accept my answer. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 67 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
No, you redirected. Telling me to "ask God" is not an answer, it's an evasion. I thought you were big on intellectual honesty, but quite frankly, I don't see it. I see a lot of evasion, ambiguity, etc. These are not the characteristics of a God-called person. | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 107 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
and tatm.. or rather not.. i had often wondered why you picked on pentecostals and why me especially then i remember how you did when you went by the name of not.. well you cant be hid | ||
| mhead66 New member Username: mhead66 Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 209.216.191.190 |
TATM I'm not here to defend the UPC, but I do have a question, in response to your start of this thread: You said, "This preacher called the older(10 ten-years-old) of his two daughters to the pulpit. Calling her a prophetess, the preacher explained that his younger daughter had recently had a birthday party..." Obviously, you stated this in a negative light. What do you think of Acts 21:8-9 - "Leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip the evangelist, one of the Seven. He had four unmarried daughters who prophesied." | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 133 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
mhead66 tatm is very against any pentecostals. he used to go by the name of not.. of course he will deny this he had it out with me before. he cant stand anyone one who has any leaning toward pentecostals he had a difficult time with them as far as a family member was concerned he is dead set against any pentecosatal. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
M(r)(s). Mhead66: The four daughters prophesied Paul's impending trouble with the Jews at Jerusalem. How does that compare here? Or were you hoping I did not read the passage? Acts 21:8 - 14 | ||
| mhead66 New member Username: mhead66 Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 69.34.217.28 |
TATM You are correct, in saying that the four daughters prophesied Paul's impending trouble with the Jews at Jerusalem. I brought up this point to illustrate that: 1. Born again children are not Biblically prohibited from functioning in spiritual gifts. It is true that we do not know if these four daughters were children, but Acts lists them as virgins that lived at home, and in Biblical days, women generally married young. I am making an inference, but the start of your thread seemed to condemn the preacher with a ten year old girl who was claimed to be a prophetess. My point was that this is Biblically possible. 2. You said, "Do you really believe God answers self-centered prayers?" Well, James 4:2 says, "ye have not, because ye ask not." James 5:17 says Elijah prayed for it not to rain for 3 1/2 years, and God answered that prayer. I realize that Elijah did not pray to be able to have a party, but I believe God would answer the faithful prayer of a believing child, if only to build her faith. God is a loving God, and we can't put Him into a box. He is sovereign. I would rather believe Him for too much than not enough. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 120 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. Mhead66: I will pay your travel to any children's hospital in the world. You empty that hospital based on James 4:2. Again, you pull scripture out of context to support your religious beliefs. Elijah prayed to glorify God. The rain, in this case, may well have glorified God even more than the sunshine for a birthday party. | ||
| mhead66 New member Username: mhead66 Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 69.34.217.28 |
TATM - Regarding clearing out hospitals by healing: In the Gospels, Jesus did not always heal everyone around Him, nor did He go out in search of people to heal. He healed all those who came to Him or those whom God placed in His path. For example, Jesus healed a lame man at the pool of Bethesda, but apparently He did not heal any of the great number of lame people who were also there (John 5:2-9). Another man, crippled from birth, was brought to the temple gate every day to beg, and he was healed by Peter and John (Acts 3:2-8). Jesus probably passed by this man many times as He went in and out of the temple gate, yet Jesus never healed him. There are a number of passages that say Jesus healed all the sick, but these were people who came to Him or who were brought to Him. These were not people whom Jesus sought out to heal. Since Jesus did not automatically heal everyone around Him, and since He did not seek out people to heal, and since there is no record of Him going around emptying out leper colonies, we have no Scriptural command and no Scriptural precedent for trying to empty out hospitals. Jesus clearly showed us that a person's faith is often an important ingredient in his healing, and that is why we often see Jesus and the apostles preaching and teaching before doing any healing. In Matthew 13:58 and Mark 6:5-6, Jesus did not heal because of a lack of faith: Mark 6:5-6 says, "And He could there do no mighty work, save that He laid His hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And He marvelled because of their unbelief. And He went round about the villages, teaching." Peter's healing of the lame man in Acts 3:7 resulted in thousands saved (4:4). Is this not glorifying to God? What problem do you have with James 4:2? | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 124 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. Mhead66: As I said in the previous thread, our conversation is over. | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 138 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
amen mhead66... and thank GOD your are gone tatm | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. Arron: I am not gone. i refuse to allow the lunacies of pentecostalism to be spread over the internet. | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 143 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
ok not .. glad you are staying for some more getting told off |
