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     franklin New member Username: franklin Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.73.237 |
Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Open for Discusion. Is this the word of God  or did Moses lie? | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Absolutely! I agree fully. Could not have said it better myself. | ||
| franklin New member Username: franklin Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.73.237 |
Agree with what? That it is the word of God? Or that Moses lied? | ||
| arron New member Username: arron Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
it is THE WORD OF GOD | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
I agree fully with what you said. | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
Since Eve is the mother of ALL living, does that mean animals as well? | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
No thilly wabbit! Speaking of Humans, all races, all ethnic groups, since the animals were already created and procreating on their own. Did your Mother give birth to any animals?  | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Please define 'animal'. | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
"Did your Mother give birth to any animals?" That was very nice. I'll be sure to let my 80 year old mother know that you have been discussing her on FactNet. | ||
| fatherofaking Junior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.88.202 |
lol bluewater and franklin. you should go on the road as a comedy team. you would never be able to decide who gets top billing. | ||
| rachelengland New member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 24 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.5.145 |
They are pretty good aren't they. And then ATM reponds "define animal"...to good You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you. -- Eric Hoffer FOAK you posted that on another thread today and I wanted to say I loved it. BTW....I am liking this new persona you seem to have become..R . | ||
| yaakov2 New member Username: yaakov2 Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 64.128.134.187 |
Franklin Why exactly did you start this thread? I thought you had already thoroughly discussed this subject with the Shepherd Chapel believers on at least two other threads. | ||
| fatherofaking Junior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 38 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.88.202 |
thanks R it can be a slow process but the truth will indeed set you free. hey yaakov, if you have the time or the desire would you mind taking a look at and commenting on the excerpt that i posted on the bible as truth thread. i value you opinion on these things. | ||
| watchman_2 New member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 18 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
yaakov2, You wrote: ***** Why exactly did you start this thread? I thought you had already thoroughly discussed this subject with the Shepherd Chapel believers on at least two other threads. ***** It is another vain effort by that coward franklin to generate support for a position that he has lost so many times at the SC threads. It is the same reason that he started the "Who is Cain's Father" thread and the "What day of Creation was Adam created" thread -- because he is a loser. Anyone can check for themselves over at cultbusters.com.au that franklin likens himself to a mythical galactic space captain out to bust cults. The fact is, theologically, he can't find his zipper to go wee. Franklin has based his mythical starship captain persona [more important to him than reality] on a fight against the Serpent Seed Doctrine of the Bible. Of course, until I told him about Gen. 3:20, franklin based his entire concept of himself on Gen. 4:1, which he used as the basis of his mythical galactic war. Well, as anyone can see, Gen. 3:20 clearly identifies the basis for Adam giving the woman the name "Eve" in that she was already pregnant. Hence, when Adam first had sex with his wife "Eve" in Gen. 4:1, she was already pregnant. As you infer in your post, this has been covered dozens of times for him at the SC threads and on the "Who is Cain's father" thread. It defeats his alter ego so, he will live in denial. Because he really knows he is wrong, he starts the argument all over again here. | ||
| yaakov2 New member Username: yaakov2 Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 64.128.134.187 |
Watchman Talk about pointless posts, one would think by insulting Franklin the way you just did, that you are trying to fan the flames. On this issue, I happen to agree with Franklin. However, it has already been discussed on multiple other threads. | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
>Is it possible that Moses lied? >Is it possible that "mother of all living" is a metaphore? It seems that one of the more difficult things to figure out in evaluating/intrepreting scripture is the difference between -prescriptive vs descriptive or -literal vs metaphorical or -fact vs imaginary tale or -truth vs lie. | ||
| watchman_2 New member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 19 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
yaakov2, I don't owe Franklin any civility. It doesn't matter whether one agrees or disagrees. Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish. Franklin already knows the arguments associated with what Gen. 3:20 means relative to Gen. 4:1. So, my previous post correctly answers the question as to why he started this thread. My post was on point! You don't see me running to franklin's church [Star Trek - The Next Generation] threads and proclaim that I will harass him until the end of time unless he denounces what he believes. Yet, franklin repeatedly does that to my church threads. So, if you care to offer fair criticism, you would be dogging franklin on this issue far more than me. | ||
| watchman_2 New member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
ba2, Metaphor for what? It actually has 3 levels of understanding. From Adam's perspective, since they were still in the Garden and she was the only woman in existence [hadn't seen another woman yet from the 6th day creation], Adam naturally, upon hearing of her pregnancy in Gen. 3:15 and God's promise in Gen. 3:16, would think that all offspring from then forward would come from that woman. So, to Adam, Eve was the mother of all that would be. On a Jewish/Christian perspective, Gen. 3:20 lets us know from whom the Messiah will come. The third level is spiritual. For all whom don't accept Jesus, there is no life everlasting. Therefore, Eve, from umbilical cord to umbilical cord until Jesus birth, was the Mother of all that live. (Message edited by watchman_2 on May 14, 2007) | ||
| fatherofaking Junior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 46 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.88.202 |
watchman, are you so insecure in your beliefs that you must defend them to the point of the absurd? do you own a gun? | ||
| watchman_2 New member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 23 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
fof, LOL What makes you think I am insecure? What is absurd in what I wrote? The man [franklin and I use the term 'man' loosely] really believes that he busts cults. I am very secure in my beliefs. I own a rifle -- inherited it from my grandfather. | ||
| fatherofaking Junior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 48 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.88.202 |
if what you say is true watchman and you are secure in your beliefs then act like it. you have said over and over again that you have defended these beliefs to the point of the absurd. if that is true then just stop. slanderers are only looking for attention. don't give it to them. many of you sc students do quite well at ignoring me, but you respond to franklin and many others as if they are some kind of threat. the reql threat to your beliefs are people like me and you don't even know it. i rather think you enjoy it. i get the impression that all of you are enjoying this a great deal. i find it rather disgusting. love one another is the message you say you live by. i don't see it. do you not care what you are doing to yourselves? if you take a close look you will see that you only have the support of your fellow sc students. the cultbusters crew only has the support of one another. the reason for this is that none of you have any credibility with the rest of us. you all act like children. demonstrate your beliefs to the rest of us. in fact i don't think you are even able to do it. the reason? you don't really believe it is possible. | ||
| termin8d New member Username: termin8d Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 60.234.129.189 |
Metaphor for what? It actually has 3 levels of understanding. From Adam's perspective, since they were still in the Garden and she was the only woman in existence [hadn't seen another woman yet from the 6th day creation], Adam naturally, upon hearing of her pregnancy in Gen. 3:15 and God's promise in Gen. 3:16, would think that all offspring from then forward would come from that woman. So, to Adam, Eve was the mother of all that would be. That's a nice little theory you have there. The problem with it however is that the verse doesn't say that Adam thought that she was the mother of all living but that she was the mother of all living. So it really didn't depend on Eve's knowledge of other people existing out of Eden at the time because obviously according to this verse, there wouldn't have been any. | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.156.151.246 |
"was" would indicate that she "was" pregnant, and this is stated before the bible records Adam "knowing" her. Logic dictates that she was pregnant before Adam, thus the serpent's beguiling was a sexual union.(serpent being a figurative name for Satan) Take the chapter and verse divisions away, as they were not in the manuscripts, and read the complete thought through. The possibility of someone else fathering Cain is absolutely plausible...and in fact the only logical deduaction. in His service c | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
"The possibility of someone else fathering Cain is absolutely plausible...and in fact the only logical deduaction." Only if you are brainwashed by Arnold Murray!  This is an example yaakov why I started this thread. The SCers are a Cult. A racist, antisemitic Cult. This is a cult awareness forum. The Scers are brainwashed by Arnold Murray with what is heresy to All Abrahamic faiths verse by verse. So logically their deprogramming must be done verse by verse. Plus for those factnet readers who are not familiar with Arnold Murray and Shepherd's Chapel but have come to factnet to learn about Cults what better way to show them how horrendously Arnold Murray has perverted the Word of God, verse by verse. This is a new topic. A different verse. Another topic I started was "WHAT DAY OF CREATION WAS ADAM CREATED: GENESIS 1: 26" countering the SC claim that the blacks and orientals were created on the 6th day of Creation but that the Adamic (white German/Gaelic race) was created on the 8th day. After the Sabbath, day of rest, after God was finished with His creation. Obvious reasoning for Arnold Murray's (and the neo nazis/Klansmen's) perversion was that Christ needed a 'pure" race to descend from. No impure dna from the 6th day mud people, blacks and orientals, in the blood of "their" Savior. The other thread was "WHO IS CAIN'S FATHER?" which refered to Genesis 4:1. Now of course the Arnold Murray perversions of all three scripture verses found in the Torah, Old Testament and the Koran clearly contradict that Adam and Eve, the only humans created directly by God, were created on the 6th day as written. And that Eve is the mother of ALL living. And that Adam is the father of Cain. So verse by verse I hope to demonstrate with others assistance that Arnold Murray has perverted God's word to the extreme and that in doing so has abandoned any ties to the Abrahamic faiths. Neither Jewish, Christian or Moslem. Arnold Murray has used classical mind control methods in brainwashing his followers. He uses suspicion, conspiracy theories, racial prejudice, antisemitism and out and out blasphemy as his tools to program their minds. SC is a personality cult with a false prophet and heresies that all cults are comprised of. Been done before. 1930's Germany. This is just a rerun. What our ancestors had to do then, we must do again. Let the discussion continue please. | ||
| watchman_2 Junior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
termin8d, Please read my description of the 3 levels of teaching again. I did not say that Adam "thought" she was the mother of all living. I indicated that Adam thought she was the "only" woman. After all, only Adam, Christ, and Satan were in the Garden of Eden with her when Adam named her. Of course, the name is given to her because she "was" pregnant. This scripture defeats franklin's entire space nut fantasy cult over at cultblunders. | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
where in THE BIBLE does it say there were other people. only two were there adam and eve and from them cam EVERY ONE ELSE all races and there were no adam and eve made on the eight day | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
where in THE BIBLE does it say there were other people. only two were there adam and eve and from them cam EVERY ONE ELSE all races and there were no adam and eve made on the eight day | ||
| watchman_2 Junior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
Gen. 1:26 | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
where does it say here that GOD made another race of people | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 64.231.242.185 |
does your bible read, MANKIND, arron...in Gen1:26? | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 64.231.242.185 |
does your bible read, MANKIND, arron...in Gen1:26? | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth… replenish : To fill or make complete again; In modern times, the population of the earth has been consistently increasing, but it may not always have been that way. For sure, the earth’s population decreased during certain timeframes. The only question is how full the earth was before genesis and how much of it was emptied. It makes sense to me that mankind was created millions of years before Adam. Some millions of years after the 7th day (period of time) God creates Adam, maybe through some DNA manipulation taken from the existing mankind. He places Adam in a garden and later creates eve, perhaps from DNA taken from Adam’s rib. There is nothing to suggest that Adam was the first human created only 6,000 years ago. One should not try to defend their faith with arguments that are so patently opposed to reason that the faith is made to look ridiculous. | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE IN THE LIKENESS OF THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST not in the image og angels HECREATED one man and one woman .. adam and eve ,,, no where does it tech or SAY otherswise | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 64.231.242.185 |
Arron, stay on track here, why don't you copy/paste Gen 1:26 here, c | ||
| fatherofaking Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.88.202 |
there are so many different explanations of the genesis creation account. my guess is that the truth is to be found in how it improves your life. with all of the arguing and name calling i see between many of you i would say none of you have it right. your behavior gets in the way of anything you might say. the truth that is being conveyed here is that the message of the bible is completely unable to improve a persons moral character. (Message edited by fatherofaking on May 15, 2007) | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
Uh bluewater, my parents are still waiting for your sincere apology for your falsely accusing them of child abuse for teaching me about about Jesus and for taking me to Church when they were raising me. | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
zeke the bible saus othing in the verses you sau about any other race being created on that day no... all came from adam and eve | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
aaron, yes I agree that man was created in God's image. But you are adding to the scripture when you say “HECREATED one man and one woman .. adam and eve” It doesn’t say this. The words are: “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them” Adam does not show up until later in Gen 2. Try forgetting for a moment that you are reading scripture and give it the same scrutiny that you would give any other book. Specifically, you will see that God created man (not a particular man). When the word “man” is used in this manner, it invariably refers to the human race in a generic use of the word; it refers to any human being (mankind); "So God created man…" In the sentence “God created man”, man is the direct object of the verb "created" and there is no adjective describing a the object which means it is not a particular man. “God created man” is used in the same sense as “The dawn of man” or "it was every man for himself" You certainly have the right to your own interpretation. But understand that reasonable people sometimes disagree. | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
reasonable people??? i did not say the verse as a direct quote from the bible so dont say that i added to THE WORD OF GOD. GOD created one man and one woman and from these two , adam and eve came all the other people. alos in the ark there were only eight people noah, his wife , his three sons and their wives. there were one else ( human ) on board. anf from these the earth was repopulated. that is bible and not a mans thoughts | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
Franklin. I never accused your parents of abusing you as a child. You can get off of that one. | ||
| watchman_2 Junior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 42 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
arron, Of course, the Bible states other than what you contend. Read it again for clarity -- not for what some man taught you. Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Clearly, the 'man' to be made is plural as clearly indentified be the word 'them'. Check the Hebrew out and you will discover that the word 'man', in the plural sense, is ALWAYS interpreted as 'mankind'. No where is the name 'Adam' given in Gen. 1:26-27. | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 18 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
arron, but it doesn't say he created one man and one woman. You are adding that statement. But, yes, reasonable people will intrepret things differently. Did you read my entire post above? it isn't very long. Do you not agree that a reasonable person might intrepret some scripture differently than you? | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
What we are discussing here is how Arnold Nurray interprets the Bible. ba, do you think satan having sex with Eve and that the modern day Jews are the literal spawn of satan are reasonable interpretations of scripture? | ||
| fatherofaking Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 79 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.88.202 |
hey franklin, is it reasonable to think that jesus (god) died? the basic christian concept of jesus dying and rising from the dead is not anymore logical. lets think about it for a moment. lets say that what happend was that god removed himself from jesus and then his body died. then god re-entered jesus body thus bringing him back to life. is that what happens to those that have the holy spirit when they die? god removes himself from the body and then at the time of judgement he re-enters everyone that has been previously saved. it seems a little confusing to me. it seems that there should be a more logical way of understanding this whole thing. my point is that any literal interpretation leads to confusion and division. not to mention a myriad of different interpretations that have been responsible for many religious wars. including the wars that go on here on factnet. if the bible was interpreted as mythology rather than a history book it would make more sense. i live the teachings that are in the bible to the best of my ability everyday. i am able to do that without accepting the christian teachings. i detest division and fight against it everyday. does that mean i will be judged unworthy of being in the presence of the one i listen to every day of my life? | ||
| termin8d New member Username: termin8d Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 60.234.129.189 |
Truth is worth fighting for. | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
franklin You asked me: “do you think satan having sex with Eve and that the modern day Jews are the literal spawn of satan are reasonable interpretations of scripture?” I think that is an absolute insane interpretation of scripture. And you very well know that I don’t believe that stuff. I certainly never said anything that would suggest it. However, that is the ploy of many cults, take the message and mix it in a way to give a false message. As I see it, many, maybe most Christian preachers, not just Arnold, do just that. I am simply saying that it is very clear to me that Adam was not the first human created. Mankind was created millions, maybe billions of years before Adam. And my quoting of specific scripture supports my interpretation and belief. This helps me reconcile scripture with all the evidence around. Many, such as bear, will not really address my comments concerning the direct object (man) of the verb (created) with a lack of an adjective which would have made man a particular man. But no, it says God “created man” it doesn’t say “a man”. I read scripture for the message contained and I don’t believe it was ever meant to be taken literally anyway. Story telling was the ancient method of preserving history and the stories were usually embellished upon to teach the basic concepts. I see the bible the same way. If Genesis is indeed God’s word, which I believe, and he meant these things literally, then he must be having a great laugh at all the contrary evidence he planted which makes us think otherwise. That God, what a jokester! We must be able to adjust our beliefs as evidence develops, otherwise we are nothing more that robots without any ability to think. | ||
| watchman_2 Junior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 44 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
ba2, The problem that you will have with reconciling scripture is the factor of time. When you claim that the creation of man in Gen. 1:26-27 was millions of years ago, you will always run into scriptural conflict regarding the 'day'. In addition, to time contradictions, you will also run afoul of scripture in explaining 2 Pet. 3. The way to resolve scripture and science is to understand scripture properly. The first earth age accounts for all the artifacts and scientific discoveries that occurred before the creation of man in Gen. 1:26-27. If you look at all of the scientific claims of man's predecessors, you will see that the skull structure is dissimilar to that of modern man. | ||
| watchman_2 Junior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 45 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. . . . Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. So, anyone with the most basic of reading comprehension skills can see that the woman received her name of EVE because she was already pregnant. In addition, it is obvious that the woman already had her name EVE when Adam first had sex with her. One should also note that the scriptures do not say that Adam AGAIN knew his wife and she conceived and bare Abel [Gen. 4:2] as was done for Seth [Gen. 4:25]. The conception spoken of in Gen. 4:1 was that of Abel. The existing pregnancy of Eve in Gen. 4:1 was that of Cain. Since Adam was not the father of Cain, who was if it was not Satan? | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
watchman, As far as I'm concerned, anyone who tries to read scripture literally will always back themselves into a corner. You are stuck on an interpretation which is not significant. The age of the earth or the age of mankind is totally irrelevant to the study of scripture. If God thought these were so important, there would have been much more than a simple line or two. And clearly, the meaning of the word "day" can be many things, including an unspecified period of time. No sense spending time on this. The bible is not a history book and it is not a science book. I do not run into scriptural conflict and I have no need to reconcile every little dot and line. I only need to reconcile the concepts, which I don't have any problem doing. | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
Well said, BA2. | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
blue where you been i am still praying that you will get JESUS in your heart and come to know HIM still praying for you and love you in THE LORD | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.71.84.118 |
franklin wrote; What we are discussing here is how Arnold Nurray interprets the Bible. Actually that is not what is being discussed here. There are dozens of threads that are about that subject...even if you misspelleld his name. ba, do you think satan having sex with Eve and that the modern day Jews are the literal spawn of satan are reasonable interpretations of scripture? Now, ba2 responded by saying that he did not believe 'that' is a reasonable interpretation of scripture. Well you will be glad to learn (again) that I agree with ba2. I don't believe 'that' for a second. Either does the pastor that you are accusing. Keep the facts strait. Jews are of our brother Judah, Kenites are from Cain, not from Judah. Why can't you see this franklin? (you don't have to answer) Jews are not Kenites. Kenites are not Jews, and we have never said that they are. in His service c | ||
| watchman_2 Junior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 50 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
ba2, You wrote [Post No. 20 above]: ***** I think that [Serpent Seed Doctrine] is an absolute insane interpretation of scripture. ***** You wrote [Post No. 22 above]: ***** As far as I'm concerned, anyone who tries to read scripture literally will always back themselves into a corner. ***** You wrote [Post No. 18 above]: ***** Do you [arron] not agree that a reasonable person might intrepret some scripture differently than you? ***** Based upon my Post No. 45 above and your own standards, don't you agree that a reasonable person might conclude that Cain was not sired by Adam? | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 23 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
watchman Sure, but to my way of thinking it is quite a stretch. You have to begin by believing that some non-humans came down to earth and had sex with human women. This is too far fetched and really just fits into many other pagan beliefs, such as the early greeks described by Homer. I agree that some women are well known for their sexual appeal, but this is a bit much for me to comprehend. I would think it is more likely that a non-human would find humans rather non appealing. | ||
| watchman_2 Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
ba2, Thank you for your integrity, eventhough we disagree. Of course, I initially thought the same as you -- that is, until I further studied the matter. Once you come to learn that the fallen angels also mated with flesh woman [Gen. 6] and produced offspring [giants], then it is not a far-fetched concept anymore. So, if one understands that an angel is nothing more than a male in spiritual body [different dimension], then it all makes sense. | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
I guess the choice is whether or not to take the bible literally or not. If you do, it is possible to believe anything. To each his own. Whether one takes the bible literally or not, if they are good people, give and recieve love, improve the community, the fruit is what matters. | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
ba: "I am simply saying that it is very clear to me that Adam was not the first human created. Mankind was created millions, maybe billions of years before Adam.". But that is not what the Bible says. I believe that Adam and Eve were the first and only humans created by God. That I believe literally. Just like I believe literally that Jesus is the one and only "Son of God" and that all who believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. When you dismiss parts and add your own speculation the whole book becomes worthless. Can't pick and choose what YOU want to believe just to stay on top of the current trends of acceptable secular thinking. Either it is the inspired word of God or it is nothing but just another book. The Bible has always been sacred to me and the words were written by men who were inspired by God. What do you have to counter the inerrancy of the Bible? The sophisticated wild arse guessing speculation of man? Your crusade against the legalists is clouding your perception of God's truth. Relax! It's ok to agree with them on some interpretations. In many ways they do interpret scripture correctly. But I agree in not all cases. Whenever bluewater agrees with your interpretation of scripture you know you are offtrack. Another subject: Moses wrote Genesis many, many years after the Creation. Adam "called" (paste tense) his wife Eve because she "was" (past tense) the mother of all living. Both verbs are past tense. Proper story telling grammar, that's all. No way to pervert that meaning. Unless you're brainwashed. | ||
| angie0401 New member Username: angie0401 Post Number: 18 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 64.151.247.1 |
franklin said: Just like I believe literally that Jesus is the one and only "Son of God" and that all who believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Really? Then you're now agreeing that all of us "heretic" SCers and "heretic" WOFers ARE Christians who shall not perish but have everlasting life. I think you're making progress, franklin!  | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
No, I know you are NOT Christians. As to whether God will accept you into HIS kingdon (will Christ KNOW you?) is between you and God. But I tell you this, until you learn to love all humanity as your equals, no special "chosen" "elect" Germanic/Gaelic/British/Aryan/Adamic master race with their "inner realm" in heaven then it is really hard for me to see how you love God or how Christ could know you. You are NOT the chosen or the elect. You will NOT have any special place in heaven. There will not be any white, black or yellow skinned souls in heaven. Get that through your head and into your heart! | ||
| angie0401 New member Username: angie0401 Post Number: 20 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 64.151.247.1 |
You are NOT the chosen or the elect. You will NOT have any special place in heaven. There will not be any white, black or yellow skinned souls in heaven. I've never claimed to be chosen or elect - I'm just a regular, worthless sinner who was saved by the blood of Christ. My heart hurts that He had to die for ME. Every place in Heaven will be special. I agree that there will be no race of any kind in Heaven. franklin said: No, I know you are NOT Christians. I am a Christian and you can scream as loud and long as you want, but you can't take that away from me. Now, will Christ know YOU? You seem to be itching to usurp Christ's authority and that is some VERY dangerous territory. Now, why don't you stop demanding that we deny Christ and stop trying to be the final authority on who is a Christian. That is NOT your decision to make and never will be. | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
I just said that. Now go to your Baptist Preacher and tell them EXACTLY what you believe. About the multiple Adams and Eves. About satan having sex with Adam and Eve. The whole schlemeiel! There is your answer! I spoke to many Christians this week about what you believe. White, black, oriental. And their immediate reaction was "Blasphemy!" It is not just me who is telling you. It is 2.1 BILLION Christians in the world telling you. And all of the billions of Christians before them telling you the same thing! Blasphemy! Now what are you going to do? Pull a 9mm out at me? Continue to cyberstalk me and the one I love? "Cyberstalking, which is simply an extension of the physical form of stalking, is where the electronic mediums such as the Internet are used to pursue, harass or contact another in an unsolicited fashion. Most often, given the vast distances that the Internet spans, this behaviour will never manifest itself in the physical sense but this does not mean that the pursuit is any less distressing. There are a wide variety of means by which individuals may seek out and harass individuals even though they may not share the same geographic borders, and this may present a range of physical, emotional, and psychological consequences to the victim." http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminology/cyberstalking/ | ||
| angie0401 New member Username: angie0401 Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 64.151.247.1 |
Now go to your Baptist Preacher and tell them EXACTLY what you believe We've been through this - my pastor and I talk at great lengths. What does your Methodist Preacher think about YOUR interpretation of Gen 3:15 meaning we stomp baby snake eggs? What does he (or she) think of your behavior all over these boards? What does he (or she) think about you trying to decide who is a Christian and usurp Christ's authority? Does your pastor like when you do this -->  to those you claim to "minister" to? I spoke to many Christians this week about what you believe. I spoke to my pastor about what YOU believe about Gen 3:15 and HIS immediate reaction was  Continue to cyberstalk me and the one I love? Save the drama, franklin. YOU are the one ranting and raving all over these threads and starting multiple thread OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN to try to attack the SC and WOF people (as well as every other group on factnet). Oh and NEWSFLASH - this is a message board, so replying to a public post is NOT "contacting someone in an unsolicited fashion". If so, there are literally dozens of people that YOU "cyberstalk" daily. You really do have a "victim" mentality, don't you?? | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
Twisting and perverting my words again. All you know what to do to defend your heresy. You lose scripturally every time. So you turn to vicious personal attacks. Intimidating and harrassing people by infering their real names, where they live, who they work for IS cyberstalking by definition. You know you are guilty of it yet you want to defend that too? They are only two interpretations of Genesis 3:15. the literal believed by Jews and many Christians. And the figurative. Both are correct. The Serpent does now slither across the ground on it's belly does it not? Now you are twisting the meaning of cyberstalking to include what I do? I do not collect personal information about SCers nor do I display anything personal about you here on a public forum. But you and your fellow henchmen do. That IS cyberstalking. And that is criminal. But it is to no avail. We have continuously exposed arnie and his cult here and the world is better informed about what Shepherd's Chapel is. A racist antisemitic cult. "my pastor and I talk at great lengths." In other words you have not told him your blasphemous belief of the serpent having sex with Eve. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie New member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.246.32.80 |
Hello Glenn: You've called me many different names of many different people... which led me to review many of the "GetAGrip" exchanges. You know, in fairness to people like Smyrna, Angie, in the past "the atheists", Dodge, GetAGrip, word faith types and everyone else you get into STRIFE with on Factnet... people ask you and your friends simple questions and instead just answering them - you lie, evade, point fingers, call people "cyberstalkers", etc. Nobody is cyberstalking you or Jimito. I think people just would like to know why, when your "group" is asked, "is Rachel the poster called "Jimito"?" - why you don't just tell the truth? Instead, you fly into a rage, go through all sorts of gyrations, accusations, etc. I saw where GetAGrip stated on his OWN that he was in fact, Franvagosity... he didn't LIE and try to hide it. He said who he was and in fact, I can't find the post (I think some were locked?) but I think he made it clear that he wasn't trying to hide from anyone and that it was pretty clear who "Fran" was. Now here is a post from "Jimito", where if you run the IP through an IP identifier it clearly shows that "Jimito" is posting from Fran Vagotis' office. Now an honest person would do like GetAGrip and simply say, "you got me!"... but what you and your friends will do is begin to spin (LIE) and say things like, "oh well, she has wireless and he was out in the parking lot", or "I used his username becasue blah, blah, blah" or "my boss was gone, so he was working with me that day and that little stinker got a hold of the computer"... Glenn, just because you like someone doesnt' make lying okay. You run around here pointing fingers at everyone and you own group of friends can't tell the simple truth about something as little as a fake identity on Factnet. And you lie to cover it up, because you want a little of what she was promising IHS, right? Then when people uncover the lies, everyone else is a "liar", everyone is a "cyberstalking", "I'm going to kill myself"... It's not right Glenn, it's dishonest, it's unChristian, and even tho you'd never admit it - I know YOU KNOW BETTER, whether or the woman you love is involved or not. Glenn you are either lying or being lied to... you either know and lie to cover up; or you are naive. Which one is it? Bet you can't answer without red faces, accusations of cyberstalking, etc. This is why no one here takes you serious, Christian and non-Christian alike. http://www.freeprivacy.info/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/000000A/http/www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi=3ftpc=3d3&post=3d209408#POST209408 | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
First of all sgng/smyrna/gag cyberstaling creep, you do not know anything about me much less my name. What is the point of you inferring slyly what my first name could be????????? Intimidation, harrasment. Your defense of your actions as gag is indefensible. You are trying to get viciously personal because you can not defend your heresy scripturally. I stay on scripture and you get mean and nasty and personal in response. And you are being a Christian by trying to reveal personal information about other factnet posters here? By defending the indefensible? By trying to conceal YOUR identity by using at least a dozen differnet ip addresses. Many are businesses that are not aware that you are hacking into their systems and stealing their ip addresses to play your cyberstalking games here. You are a stalker and should be banned from factnet. So shut up! | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
watchman There may be a few things we agree on, but scripturally, we are miles apart. I am happy to see that you can accept that someone has a different view. I don’t have any problem with you or anyone else’s views, no matter how bizarre they seem to me, as long as I don’t see people being hurt or they don’t try to force it on society. But the literal view of scripture is nonsensical. Maybe, just maybe the original texts were the inspired inerrant word of God, but those are long gone. It has been men making copies upon copies and translations over translations. Most likely, it has made a dramatic transformation over the thousands of years. Homer’s Odyssey is probably more closely related to its original form, but even though some of his writings are historical, I don’t take anything there literal either. | ||
| ba2 New member Username: ba2 Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
franklin you said, “When you dismiss parts and add your own speculation the whole book becomes worthless. Can't pick and choose what YOU want to believe just to stay on top of the current trends of acceptable secular thinking.” But this is exactly what everyone does. If they read literally, they go to great lengths to make their own twisted ideology work. They claim there are no contradictions and use some silly argument to prove their point. I simply look at the scripture globally and get what I think are the key points. Do you think building on scientific knowledge is just a way of keeping up with a current trend of acceptable secular thinking? The age of the earth or mankind has nothing to do with my salvation, so I will look to science to answer questions regarding the age of the earth or mankind. Bluewater said it exactly right; the choice is whether or not to take the bible literally. If you do, it is possible to believe anything. | ||
| rachelengland Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 67 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
" I don’t have any problem with you or anyone else’s views, no matter how bizarre they seem to me, as long as I don’t see people being hurt or they don’t try to force it on society." BA2 Ba, I agree completely with that statement-people can believe as they wish as long as others aren't harmed by it's ideas...We could take a Bible and place it in the hands of 10 different factnet posters and each will come up with their own view-it is human nature..search and discovery...R | ||
| saygoodnightgracie New member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.232.189.218 |
Lil' G "...you are either lying or being lied to... you either know and lie to cover up; or you are naive. Which one is it? Bet you can't answer without red faces, accusations of cyberstalking, etc." Like I said "G" - you can't help it bro, I feel bad for you. You are wired for STRIFE... | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
". . . . they don’t try to force it on society." Is Chrisitianity and Islam ok with that one? I sure am. | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
blue i am still praying for you. | ||
| ba2 Junior Member Username: ba2 Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
blue, most mainline Christians are just fine with it. They would suggest that "the word" is available to anyone who is interested, at least here in the states. Of course, many of the fundamentalists I talk with don't consider many of the mainline Christians as such. I don't know enough about Islam to make an educated comment. | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
ba: "Maybe, just maybe the original texts were the inspired inerrant word of God, but those are long gone. It has been men making copies upon copies and translations over translations." http://bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp?action=displaypage&book=1&chapter=3&verse=19&portion=1 3:20 The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all life. Vayikra ha'adam shem ishto Chavah ki hi hayetah em kol-chay. The Torah is as close to the source as one can get. And you still don't believe it can be believed literally? C'mon! Bluewater as always is WRONG! Of course he doesn't want you to believe in the Bible literally. He's a freaking atheist for God's sake! | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
I am not an atheist for gods sake, but for the sake of all mankind. I certainly do agree with you that "The Torah is as close to the source as one can get" which begs the question, why do you not agree with the Jew's that Jesus is not the Messiah? | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 84 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
bluestill praying for you | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
Oh, so today you're not an atheist. Hmmm?! Going for one of those trendy warm and fuzzy pc titles like "secular humanist" this week?  I do agree with the Jews that Jesus IS the Messiah. All 12 of them. Peter, James, John, Andrew, Philip, Nathanael, Thomas, Matthew, James, Jude, Simon, Judas. And the thousands of Jews who followed them. I follow the Jews who I consider to be right. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He showed us all of the signs, fulfilled all of the prophesies and now dwells within my heart. | ||
| rachelengland Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 74 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
Remember that old Micheal W Smith tune Nobody knew his secret ambition, Nobody knew His claim to fame He broke the old rules deep in tradition He tore the Holy veils away Questioning those in powerful positions Running to those who called His name But nobody knew His secret ambition was to give His life away.. | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 18 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
No, Franklin. I am an atheist, not for the sake of god, but for the sake of man. You are so blinded by your desire to find fault. You just keep telling yourself what you believe. One day you might actually act like it. "But nobody knew His secret ambition was to give His life away.." Is that why on the cross he supposedly said, "Why me?" | ||
| rachelengland Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 76 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
Did He say why me? I thought He said. "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Are you Jewish Bluewater? | ||
| franklin Junior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
And do you agree with the Jews that there is a GOD? I'm just a defender of my faith. And you are an offender of my faith. My master told me to spread his gospel and I try to do that. Christ didn't tell me to stop spreading his words of good news for all humanity whenever I meet someone called bluewater on factnet. I see no fruit in your being an atheist. You only do it for your OWN sake. No one else's. You have a problem with rules I see. Now let's return to the topic which is NOT "why everyone should be an atheist just like bluewater." | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
Nope. Do I need to be to read the Torah? Also, I was paraphrasing. What is the difference between saying "Why me?" while nailed to a stick and saying "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 86 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
blue i am still praying for you | ||
| ba2 Junior Member Username: ba2 Post Number: 28 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
franklin, The Jewish bible is as close to original as can get, probably true, but still not original. Regardless of what you have been told/taught, the original could not have been written in Hebrew. So even the Jewish bible is a translation of a very early form of writing. Look up the history of writing and figure out for yourself what it was probably translated from, probably a form of Egyptian picture writing. Even with that, I don’t believe the stories were meant to be taken literally, ever. They were stories told to teach a concept. God created life in a way and timeframe which early man could not comprehend, heck, we probably still couldn’t understand it. So why do you think he would try to explain it as it actually happened? It also makes perfect sense to me that there have been many embellishments and some outright lies. For example, some of the scripture is historic but as told by a man, Moses, so he may not have been totally truthful, but it was told in a manner which would be understood at the time. Do you really believe all those stories literally? The six literal days, first man only 6,000 years ago, the great flood, the parting of the sea.? Current science pretty much refutes these ideas, but not the concepts. These are all stories explaining a history and events but not to be taken as literally accurate. Then you take a statement as literally true calling Eve the mother of all life??? I know it doesn’t really literally mean that! I might suggest that life is a metaphor for something else, maybe spiritual life. You have an interesting list of Apostles. Which scripture did you get the names from, Matthew 10:2-4 Mark 3:16-19 Luke 6:14-16 or Acts 1:13 ? and which ones of the 12 are Thaddeus or Bartholomew? Bluewater is not ALWAYS wrong. Neither are the other posters which I sometimes challenge. | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 66.152.205.254 |
watchman and other theology buffs.... why so much worry about what happened back then? Is it to insure you are right about where you go when you die? Is the past and the future so important that it is the only focus of the present? And old saying I think applies here: If you have one hand grasping the past And the other hand grasping the future You have nothing to embrace the present. The true miracle of life is the beautiful world we have to live in today. Enjoy it. Take care of it so your babies can enjoy it too. | ||
| watchman_2 Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 63 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
dream_truth, Quote: ***** why so much worry about what happened back then? Is it to insure you are right about where you go when you die? Is the past and the future so important that it is the only focus of the present? ***** Using your logic, the Bible could be condensed down to John 3:16 -- everything else is superfluous. According to some of these fundamentalist fools, this scripture reads - Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in 1. God created everything in 6 literal 24 hour days; 2. Adam and Eve were created by God on the 6th Day and all people come from these two; 3. Eve was not already pregnant when Adam first had sex with her; 4. The Jews are to be persecuted for having Christ crucified; 5. Jesus was a genetic defect; 6. One, in order to be saved, has to be baptized and baptized properly; 7. One, in order to be saved, must speak in gibberish 'tongues' to show everyone the presence of the Holy Spirit; 8. One, in order to be saved, must proclaim that they are 'born again' 9. The church will be 'raptured' away before the tribulation;; etc should not perish, but have everlasting life. I think that you get the point. Fundamentalist fools, like Franklin, run around this forum declaring those that don't agree with what he learned as a youth in Methodist church Sunday school as non-Christians thereby inferring that he is an authority on the Bible. He does this while demonstrating complete ignorance of scripture and every characteristic of non-christians. So, you are asking the wrong person -- you need to ask the fundamentalists' fools that keep raising the issue and starting these threads. I just defend and proclaim the Truth. BTW, there is much importance in understanding the truth regarding this topic. It lets us know that the spawn of Satan still exists with us today -- working behind the scenes to further Satan's plan. | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
I believe that the 6 days of creation were days of God's time not ours. I've explained that to you before. John 3:16 is as clear as a bell and can be interpreted literally. Just as when God spoke to John Baptist proclaiming Christ as his Son. That can be interpreted LITERALLY! ba: do you interpret John 3:16 literally? Do you believe that Christ is the Son of God who came to and did die for for our sins? I want to know what you do take literally out of the Bible. As to the SC heretic: 1. God created everything in 6 literal 24 hour days; No, I do not believe that but if God wanted to he could. 2. Adam and Eve were created by God on the 6th Day and all people come from these two; Yes I do. The Bible says so. 3. Eve was not already pregnant when Adam first had sex with her; The Bible does not say that. That is a Jewhater's lie! 4. The Jews are to be persecuted for having Christ crucified; That is another Jewhaters' lie. So Hitler speaketh so does Arnold Murray. 5. Jesus was a genetic defect; Not at all. Christ came from the same race that all white, black and oriental peoples came from. All descended from Adam and Eve. 6. One, in order to be saved, has to be baptized and baptized properly; That is not a requirement. No where does it say that in the Bible. 7. One, in order to be saved, must speak in gibberish 'tongues' to show everyone the presence of the Holy Spirit; No where in the Bible does it say that. 8. One, in order to be saved, must proclaim that they are 'born again' No where in the Bible does it say that. But Christ did say that in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven one must be born again. 9. The church will be 'raptured' away before the tribulation;; I don't know anything about any rapture nor do i care. So you just lied again watchman. You are just like your counterpart trained observer here. Constantly lying, constantly flaming, constantly trolling. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie New member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.29.90.91 |
YOU are the liar that can't answer a simple question, you have a serious character issue G... If you lie about one thing, you will lie about many. And that's why you post here with no results, NO CREDIBILITY. "...you are either lying or being lied to... you either know and lie to cover up; or you are naive. Which one is it? Bet you can't answer without red faces, accusations of cyberstalking, etc." All you do is engage in STRIFE with other believers, and atheist who's moral fiber and character make you look like Joran Van Der Sloot... However having said that, you're biggest problem is that you are wookin' pa nub in all the wrong places.. | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:29:39 -0700 (PDT) To: mrfactnet@gmail.com CC: khut_en_aten@hotmail.com ban this cyberstalker! saygoodnightgracie New member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.232.189.218 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 10:44 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lil' G "...you are either lying or being lied to... you either know and lie to cover up; or you are naive. Which one is it? Bet you can't answer without red faces, accusations of cyberstalking, etc." Like I said "G" - you can't help it bro, I feel bad for you. You are wired for STRIFE... | ||
| ba2 Junior Member Username: ba2 Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 165.189.17.206 |
franklin: you asked, “do you interpret John 3:16 literally?” Probably not the same way you do. Giving away something that you are going to get back is not like what it sounds. Some things might seem clear as a bell, but as we learn from science, our clarity might change. The world is no longer flat and the stars are no longer hovering just above the earth. AND the first humans were not created 6,000 years ago. Adam and Eve, sure why not, but not mankind. | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
It was the "scientists" at that time that said the world was flat and the stars hovered above the earth. Scientists a thousand years from now will look on the scientists today like they are looking at neanderthals. Science has already recognize the existence of other dimensions of reality. What the atheists reject as supernatural. I never attended a church like you have. I am no way shape or form a fundamentalit. But if I read the Bible and it says that Christ is the Son of God then I believe that Christ is the Son of God. I feel the presence of the Holy Spirit within me 24/7, 365 days a year. Your faith seems to be no different than the "fundies" you have this vendetta against. You put your faith in "MAN" and not God. Here's a question you did not answer: Do you believe that Christ is the Son of God who came to and did die for for our sins? Don't worry about what the atheists might think of you in how you answer that question. "Giving away something that you are going to get back is not like what it sounds." Could you explain what you mean by this? Thanks. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie New member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 38.113.244.185 |
Your silence on this question is DEAFENING... Thank you for answering. Have a great weekend liar! | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 57 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ban say goodnight gracie To: mrfactnet@gmail.com CC: khut_en_aten@hotmail.com ban this cyberstalker! saygoodnightgracie New member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 38.113.244.185 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 6:25 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your silence on this question is DEAFENING... Thank you for answering. Have a great weekend liar! | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.156.149.203 |
blue, you responded to Rachel.. "But nobody knew His secret ambition was to give His life away.." Is that why on the cross he supposedly said, "Why me?" to which she responded, Did He say why me? I thought He said. "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" to which you responded, Nope. Do I need to be to read the Torah? Also, I was paraphrasing. What is the difference between saying "Why me?" while nailed to a stick and saying "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" It is important for a Christian to believe that Jesus Christ is God. It is important for Christians to understand that Christ was not weak nor had a weak moment. Crying why? why? suggests to some that Jesus was asking God a question...and that God forsook Him. Nothing is further from the truth. Jesus always addresses God as Father, never God. Jesus is actually teaching from the cross. He is pointing us to Psalm 22, in which is a proof for Him being the Messiah. The Psalm 22 starts... "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" in His service c | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.156.149.203 |
blue, you responded to Rachel.. "But nobody knew His secret ambition was to give His life away.." Is that why on the cross he supposedly said, "Why me?" to which she responded, Did He say why me? I thought He said. "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" to which you responded, Nope. Do I need to be to read the Torah? Also, I was paraphrasing. What is the difference between saying "Why me?" while nailed to a stick and saying "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" It is important for a Christian to believe that Jesus Christ is God. It is important for Christians to understand that Christ was not weak nor had a weak moment. Crying why? why? suggests to some that Jesus was asking God a question...and that God forsook Him. Nothing is further from the truth. Jesus always addresses God as Father, never God. Jesus is actually teaching from the cross. He is pointing us to Psalm 22, in which is a proof for Him being the Messiah. The Psalm 22 starts... "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" in His service c | ||
| rachelengland Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 85 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.158.210.148 |
Thank you Ezekiel, For Jesus to say "why me" would imply He was feeling sorry for himself. Christians believe He carried their sins on the cross and therefore God turned His face from the sin... Jesus wasn't week..He knew He was born to die. R | ||
| bluewater2 New member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
Jesus was merely regurgatating scripture from the Jewish Bible. Many people did that at the time. There are many things in the xtian version of the Jewish Bible, which xtians call the old testament, that are twisted to fit their agenda. Again, my belief is that Jesus was merely reciting Jewish scripture and sincerely asking, "Why are you making me die on this cross?" There were thousands of other god believers who asked the same question as they were being nailed to the cross. | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
Thank you for regurgitating the old, tired, worn out, cliched atheist Christian bashing to this thread despite the fact that it has nothing to do with the topic "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of ALL living." But never mind, it's not the first time you've hijacked a thread and I'm sure it won't be the last. | ||
| bluewater2 Junior Member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 26 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.130.156.91 |
Oh come on, Franklin. Conversations always tend to evolve here on FN. That is the nature of it. Don't be so surprised. I am just responding to and being responded to. If the conversation is too lively for you here, I understand. | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
This topic is set up to delineate between what Christians believe as set forth by the Council of Nicene, the books that comprise the Bible, the scriptures therein and our belief in them as the revealed word of God versus those who create their own religions, such as Shepherd's Chapel, the Moonies, The Nazis, the KKK, Aryan nation etc. who believe that God, for some odd reason, created from the beginning separate races and ethnic groups that are present today which is NOT Christian belief. Those groups of hate are outside of the Christian faith because of what they believe. They are free to believe what they wish to believe. But they are not free to play fast and loose with naming themselves as Christian. No more than the Mormons, Word of Faithers or Jehovah Witnesses can. If they claim to be Christians then they are heretics. If not then they are are what they really are. A religion seperate from Christianity. As to their salvation that is for God to decide. It's very simple. As simple as understanding that the verse that the title of this thread is says that Eve is the original mother of all RACES! | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 94 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
blue still praying for you | ||
| bluewater2 Junior Member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 28 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.130.156.91 |
Well, I went back to the start of the thread to find the first one who took it off track and low and behold, there is Franklin asking me if my mother ever gave birth to any animals. You are quite a guy, Franklin. I only lower myself to play marbles with you here on FN because you are so easy to beat. So, back on topic, I guess since you "set up" this topic, sir. Did adam name eve before or after she gave birth to all living things? | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 100 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
blue i am still praying for you to get saved | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
I asked you because you asked the question "Since Eve is the mother of ALL living, does that mean animals as well?" We know the answer, you're mother gave birth to a human. I was not taking the discussion off topic. You were. You have never beaten me at anything. Lies do not defeat truth! It was before she gave her first birth to Cain who Adam was the father of. | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 104 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
adam was the fahter of cain yes | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 105 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
adam was the fahter of cain yes | ||
| bluewater2 Junior Member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.130.156.91 |
Then why doesn't the bible say that adam named her eve because she "was going to be the mother of all living", or "was going to be the mother of all human life forms.?" Why isn't god's inerrant book written more clearly and if he made man in his own image, why can't man do a better job of putting down god's word? | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
still praying for you blue | ||
| bluewater2 Junior Member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
Oh, arron. You are so cute. I like that you are taking the time thinking about me, but you really should direct your energies to other needs. You see, I reject the idea the Jesus was the only on of god and he died for my sins. I also reject the doctrine of sin in the first place, and most of all, I reject the idea that christianity is a better system of beliefs than agnosticism/atheism, and as religions go, it is only slightly better than islam. Not much, though. I only need to sit here, kick back and watch christians beat up on christians all day to see that. But, again, thanks arron, you sweet, sweet man. | ||
| rachelengland Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 87 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.113.121 |
People will never fully agree on the Bible..Thank God for that! Who needs a world full of cookie cutter Robots-the diversity makes life interesting doesn't it? But there are some doctrines that can be a bit on the edge and the idea set in place by some here- that when one gets to heaven and beinging that they are not born from a certain bloodline would leave them missing out on the fullness of the experience, is off base.. BTW..my edit button isn't working I spelled "week" in my above post when I met "weak."..R | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 116 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
rachel mine would not work either. i am born of THE BLOODLINE OF CHRIST through faith that is the way adopted into THE FAMILY OF GOD i am so glad to be saved. the scers say that there are those who are kenite but i am not for i am saved i came from adam and eve not from cain` | ||
| watchman_2 Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 68 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. . . . Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. So, anyone with the most basic of reading comprehension skills can see that the woman received her name of EVE because she was already pregnant. In addition, it is obvious that the woman already had her name EVE when Adam first had sex with her. One should also note that the scriptures do not say that Adam AGAIN knew his wife and she conceived and bare Abel [Gen. 4:2] as was done for Seth [Gen. 4:25]. The conception spoken of in Gen. 4:1 was that of Abel. The existing pregnancy of Eve in Gen. 4:1 was that of Cain. Since Adam was not the father of Cain, who was if it was not Satan? | ||
| bluewater2 Junior Member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.130.156.91 |
Makes sense to me, watchman. Glad I don't think the bible is gods word or I would be very confused. | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 125 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
blue still praying for you | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
Despite all of the power and glory your cult wants to give the father of lies, just like the satanists do, satan can not procreate. satan is an evil spirit. Not of flesh. A serpent can not procreate with a human woman. So your whole "hate the Jews" heresy is false. Just an evil perversion of God's word by those who listen to satan. satan wants you to hate Jews, blacks and orientals. satan wants you to feel superior and special because of your lilly whiteness. satan wants you to be racist, antisemitic. satan wants another Jewish holocaust. And you are helping satan to set it up. You fall for satan's lies by listening to that racist heretic arnie. You expect us to believe that you guys are not a heretical cult when you believe the same heresies as the satanists, moonies, kkk, neonazis, aryan nation and all of those other racist wacko non Christian groups out there. Not a chance. | ||
| ba2 Junior Member Username: ba2 Post Number: 30 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.118.155.68 |
franlin, I thought I clearly answered your question. John 3:16, yes I believe, but like I said, probably not like you or most Christians would see it. I will paraphrase, “God so loved the world, and saw the things going on as being so important, that he sent the highest emissary he had on a mission to earth, he did not send an angel, he sent is son, this emphasized how important God felt the mission was. God could have simply sent a huge meteor crashing into the earth and ended life on earth but, no, he loved the world and everything in it. When the mission was complete, his son returned to a high place of honor in heaven. So, God didn’t give his son in the same manner that a human might do that today. Or the way that Abraham was going to sacrifice his son. God simply sent his son on a misson. Of course, the gospels explain the mission, Jesus told the disciples to go out and teach what he taught them, basically the Sermon on the Mount, the law of love and the rule of refraining from judgment. Unfortunately, it seems most Christians don’t get that message at all. And I have not seen a literalist yet who promotes love. | ||
| cybermom New member Username: cybermom Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
I just love this place/site (sarcasm intended). I stayed away for quite a while just because. I wanted my real life back, and lo and behold, I found it. And then I had the urge to come back to FN just once more to see what was going on, and it's just like someone addicted to the soaps: you miss a few weeks or months, and check back, and nothing has changed. NOTHING. The "pros" are still "pros" and the "cons" are still "cons" - no earth-shattering conversions, revelations, heart-changes. Nope. All the players are still here, all spouting the same boring rhetoric. The only thing that changes are the dates of the posts. You could save a lot of time and energy by simply cutting and pasting your previous remarks. Where is the mass exodus from the cults "exposed" here? I don't see it. Never have. This site, and others like it, serve as a great pool if info for people seeking confirmation of what they've already seen or suspected. The databases are wonderful. The message boards are not. If people want help or counseling, find a good healthy church and plug in. Talk to the pastor, elders, small group leaders. Anyone willing to listen. Ask the Lord to heal you, and then move on. Preach, volunteer, serve. Do something for the kingdom of God, instead of wasting your life in front of a screen talking to people who are only interested in their own opinions. Sorry if this is harsh, but there is so little time left before the Lord returns, and people out in the REAL WORLD dying without the Lord. Wake up, turn off your computers, and get out there. | ||
| watchman_2 Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 73 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
bw2, It is amazing that a non-Christian can, without bias, read these two scriptures [Gen. 3:20, 4:1] and come to the only conclusion that can be drawn from them. But, so-called Christians, whom claim to believe in the scriptures, read these same two scriptures and deny the simple truth. It is no wonder that non-Christians think that Christians are so stupid at times. | ||
| bluewater2 Junior Member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.42.171.14 |
Watchy, that is probably because I have no vested interest in any interpretation that the bible may conjure. It is not my book. If there were a god, (which I doubt, but that is just me talking), god could care less about the bible and what it means. He, she, it would be more interested in the kind of life you live, not what doctrine that you hold dear. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie New member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.56.9.143 |
w2, bw2 and cm, great posts, enjoyed reading them. | ||
| cybermom New member Username: cybermom Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
sgng Thanks - should I have written that in sarcastic italics? Did they prove my point or what?? BTW, love the name. CM | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
Now to get back to the thread topic I started before the heretics, stalkers, the luke warm and atheists threadjacked it. Christians have always believed that Adam and Eve were the only humans created by God on the 6th day. All other humans descended from Adam and Eve. The 3 sub races we have today developed after God separated humanity from the tower of Babel. Genesis is our proof of that. Only racists have tried to twist and pervert it otherwise. I do not see any proof in or outside of the Bible to conflict what has always been the believed doctrine of Christianity. Eve is the literal mother of all living. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Junior Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 49 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.56.9.143 |
Relax "G", Just having some civil conversation for a second, you'll quickly put an end to that | ||
| cybermom New member Username: cybermom Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
Nope, no free speech here. And again they prove my point. See you later, gracie. I'll say good night now. CM | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 52 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.56.9.143 |
Hey... You just inspired a new group CM, "lukewarm"... now we'll have to see THAT over and over. Have you seen these, they are hysterical. And so true!! Glenn and company Factnet Definitions: "Heretic: Anyone who disagrees with your detractor. Racist: Anyone your detractor refers to as a racist is a racist. Liar: Anyone who offers evidence that your detractor is clearly guilty of some offense. False Prophet: Any Bible teacher that your detractor does not study under. Heresy: Any teaching that your detractor claims is a false teaching. Truth: Any claim your detractor makes that he or she says is true." Courtesy of Smyrna on another thread... | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
He who laughs last laughs best. This is just a replay of the getagrip/franvagosity/smyrna/bruno/now saygoodnightgracie episode. And the result will be the same. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 53 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.56.9.143 |
Glenn Glenn/Franklin/Gavin/Factnet Casanova I will always get "laugh last" girlfriend!! Why? Because I wear underwear the right size and I'm a happy, happy guy. You wear underwear a size or two, too small. That's makes you all unhappy and go like this . Me?  You? Get it? PS Only a desperate, lonely guy with no one but username friends in his life would worry about being banned... that would be the end of your world. Not mine G. Besides what have I done to you besides disagree with you and prove that you and your friend have zero integrity and are liars? I don't think Factnet will ban someone for disagreeing with you two silly, childish, pointless, lying goofs... | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.51.75.72 |
No, what you are doing smyrna/saygoodnightgracie/getagrip/franvagosity/bruno is extortion and stalking. Violating factnet forum rules, collecting information on me to use against me if I do not not stop speaking against the heresy of Arnold Murray! That is the definition of cyberstalking and extortion. Just like you did as getagrip before you got banned under that user name. That is cultic Scientology/Shepherd Chapel tactics and has no place on any public forum especially factnet. You have no respect for the factnet administration or it's members evidenced by your doing it again. You can not defend your heresy with scripture, reason or logic so you always resort to low blows. If you were a happy person you would never be doing what you are doing. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 58 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.84.101.27 |
So do you feel that anyone who attempts to collect personal info on a Factnet user should be banned? Just curious. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.56.9.143 |
"Violating factnet forum rules, collecting information on me to use against me"... This is the standard which has been set up. Doing this ("collecting information on 'someone to use against 'them") should fall under the category (as defined by Glenn) as "cyberstalking and extortion." These are cults tactics (as defined by Glenn) and "have NO place on any public forum, ESPECIALLY Factnet." Any person who engages in this activity this leave Factnet. Can we all agree on the above rules and guidelines as set forth by Franklin? Please respond here. Thank you! | ||
| angie0401 Junior Member Username: angie0401 Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 128.235.249.80 |
saygoodnightgracie Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.56.9.143 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 3:54 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Violating factnet forum rules, collecting information on me to use against me"... This is the standard which has been set up. Doing this ("collecting information on 'someone to use against 'them") should fall under the category (as defined by Glenn) as "cyberstalking and extortion." These are cults tactics (as defined by Glenn) and "have NO place on any public forum, ESPECIALLY Factnet." Any person who engages in this activity this leave Factnet. Can we all agree on the above rules and guidelines as set forth by Franklin? Please respond here. Thank you! Absolutely! I think those rules and guidelines are acceptable to me. Does this include using one's position as a moderator of a forum to collect user's ip addresses in an attempt to track them and try to use against them at other forums? And does it include searching the internet, looking for information on Factnet poster's and then posting it here in an attempt to intimidate them? What about going so far as to post the names of user's children? | ||
| mhead66 New member Username: mhead66 Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 69.34.217.28 |
Pardon me for jumping in - I'm new here, and have never heard of Kenites = offspring of Satan and Eve = Cain = Jews. Is this really ANYONE'S point of view? I guess I don't get out much, but I've never heard that Gen 1:26 meant God created other people before Adam. How does that reconcile with 2:7, where "God breathed the breath of life, and man became a living being"? The word "breathed" is the same word as in John 20:22: "And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, 'Receive ye the Holy Spirit." Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit into the disciples. God breathed life into man, who became a SPIRITUAL being, a being separate from animals, because he had a spirit, which could know God. John 6:63 - "It is the spirit that quickeneth (makes alive)..." John 4:24 - "God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit.." If men were created on the 6th day, and not of the race of Adam & Eve, then what about 1 Corinthians 15:21-22? "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Every human inherited their "sinful nature" through Adam - "as in Adam all die" - and if all men are not of Adam's line, then those men are not sinners, and will never die. Obviously, this is false. Sin came into the world by Adam. Romans 5:12 says, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Again, this states that sin came unto ALL MEN VIA ADAM! As a result, death came unto all men. Also, in both examples above, note that it says: "for since by MAN came death..." "as by one man sin entered..." The Bible uses the word "man", "mankind", etc., generically on occasion. To say that Gen 1:26, at least IMHO, refers to another set of people is reading between the lines a bit much. If we don't take the literal interpretation, that Adam fathered ALL MANKIND, then I Cor. and Romans are wrong, and we've starting crumbling the foundation of God's Word. As for Eve + Satan = Kenites???? As my kids would say, that's just whack! P.S. You keep praying Arron - God Bless you! | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 73 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.56.9.143 |
"Violating factnet forum rules, collecting information on me to use against me"... This is the standard which has been set up. Doing this ("collecting information on 'someone to use against 'them") should fall under the category (as defined by Glenn) as "cyberstalking and extortion." These are cults tactics (as defined by Glenn) and "have NO place on any public forum, ESPECIALLY Factnet." Any person who engages in this activity should leave Factnet. Can we all agree on the above rules and guidelines as set forth by Franklin? Please respond here. Thus far, a couple of us are in agreement. Thank you! | ||
| terluvire Member Username: terluvire Post Number: 55 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 70.15.2.34 |
SGNG said: saygoodnightgracie Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.56.9.143 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 3:54 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Violating factnet forum rules, collecting information on me to use against me"... This is the standard which has been set up. Doing this ("collecting information on 'someone to use against 'them") should fall under the category (as defined by Glenn) as "cyberstalking and extortion." These are cults tactics (as defined by Glenn) and "have NO place on any public forum, ESPECIALLY Factnet." Any person who engages in this activity this leave Factnet. Can we all agree on the above rules and guidelines as set forth by Franklin? Please respond here. Thank you! Angie said: Absolutely! I think those rules and guidelines are acceptable to me. Does this include using one's position as a moderator of a forum to collect user's ip addresses in an attempt to track them and try to use against them at other forums? And does it include searching the internet, looking for information on Factnet poster's and then posting it here in an attempt to intimidate them? What about going so far as to post the names of user's children? I agree with Angie and SGNG. If one believes they are right, they should be able to stand on their own understanding, of their beliefs, without having to resort to such tactics. | ||
| watchman_2 Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 93 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
mhead66, I believe most of the issues associated with your inquiry have been already addressed under the sister threads - Who is Cain's Father What day of creation was Adam created Once you get a chance to review the documentation supporting my position in these other threads, I will be happy to answer your questions or address your new points. Have a nice day. | ||
| sharon New member Username: sharon Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.164.30.51 |
mhead 66... I also feel as you do. That what God said is what happened. For one if one took that to be that there were other races born of a different Father why did God keep that a secret? And what would be the point? An evil race? Where have I heard that before....where will it all end.. oh yes I remember now in the death and suffering of millions of children. Some do not understand when you point a finger at another as an evil race, then one is part of evil. And then they are the children of satan. But just because that person is evil does it make his whole race evil? Many cried out and said oh we do not think the Jews are evil, but when it came time to save them they turned their heads in fear and walked away. That is because those who called them an evil race had not been stopped at the starting gate, and allowed it to go on, because they did not understand the evil that was to follow.. they did not know the seeds they were planting would grow so quickly, and spread so fast. And by the time they knew the truth it was to late and the only thing they could do was watch from the sidelines as children were destroyed. There has never been a time when one calls another part of an evil race.. all genocide starts with that kind of talk.. US and Them... all ends in death. Jesus will not know anyone who says these children were born evil or those children were born evil. The children of satan are not those born of him but those who do his work, and sets a path for evil to follow. This is the talk that satan loves, it is the opposite of what Jesus told us to do. He said love one another.. that does not mean call others children of the devil. Satan is a demon, and not of our race. He is the enemy. And his lies. Those who handed out hate tracts before did not know where it would end, these here now have seen the results, and yet they still do not believe. There are many good folks who come to this board, and much of the doctrine is good and honest. But just one thing can be such a stumbling block, and seem so right. I thought for sure when Mr. Murray whipped out that gun, that some of these here would say HEY what is he doing. I lost hope here when many defended his actions, which should have shown him to be the opposite of following Jesus. I do not want to fight endlessly as it is wasted time, but I also fear for those here who do not know that some doctrine is evil and from satan himself.. and if that is so what would the results of that doctrine be... well we already have that example. | ||
| rachelengland Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 117 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
All men were created equal... | ||
| mhead66 Junior Member Username: mhead66 Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 69.34.217.28 |
Watchman_2 - I'll check out the threads, and that point of view, and get back to you... God Bless! | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 64.231.172.158 |
mhead 66... I also feel as you do. That what God said is what happened. Hey, me too!!! For one if one took that to be that there were other races born of a different Father why did God keep that a secret? God created all races before the 7th day of rest. And then God declares that ALL are good. That's white, black, red, yellow, ALL races. Then God rests for a day. Then the story of Adam begins. God did not form (the man)Adam until after the 7th day. And from him, Eve. Some of us here contend that Eve was beguiled fully (including sexually) by Satan (who is referred to as the Serpent) before Adam "knows" his wife. In fact, I contend that this is where Adam learned of Sex. After seeing the sex, Eve and Adam then do it themselves. The result is two babies, fathered by 2 different individuals. Adam and the Serpent. Can angels have babies with humans??? Yep! See Gen6 (sons of God) Are angels physical (albeit not flesh) Yep!!! see the destruction of Sodom. God has kept many things hidden, and not all are meant to see and hear those things. But the election is ready for the unhidden truth, and they shall see and hear!!! And what would be the point? An evil race? Where have I heard that before....where will it all end.. oh yes I remember now in the death and suffering of millions of children. This is not Hitler, this is Satan, and Christ Himself said that there are children of the Devil. Christ identifies them with both Satan and Cain. The point is to understand who is who, and that our brother in Israel .. Judah .. is not to be blamed for our Lord's murder. It wasn't Jews who killed Him, but rather the seed of the Serpent, as prophecy-ed in Gen 3:15. The Serpent (Satan) definitely has seed Some do not understand when you point a finger at another as an evil race, then one is part of evil. And then they are the children of satan. Christ gave very specific definitions for who is a child of Satan. But just because that person is evil does it make his whole race evil? No, anyone individual can choose God, regardless of who their Father is. When they do this, they become grafted into His family. Many cried out and said oh we do not think the Jews are evil, but when it came time to save them they turned their heads in fear and walked away. That is because those who called them an evil race had not been stopped at the starting gate, and allowed it to go on, because they did not understand the evil that was to follow. Hitler was wrong. A Jew is not a son of Satan. A kenite is, and unfortunately for the Jew, the kenite pretends to be Jewish. I also believe the kenites have mixed into Christiandom as well. Many ministers are not Christians, but only pretend. they did not know the seeds they were planting would grow so quickly, and spread so fast. And by the time they knew the truth it was to late and the only thing they could do was watch from the sidelines as children were destroyed. There has never been a time when one calls another part of an evil race.. all genocide starts with that kind of talk.. US and Them... all ends in death. Jesus will not know anyone who says these children were born evil or those children were born evil. The Word describes evil races and peoples and the fact that, if the sons do what their fathers did, they will also be considered evil... to many generations. If they do not then they shall not be cursed. | ||
| ezekiel_37 New member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 64.231.172.158 |
The children of satan are not those born of him but those who do his work, and sets a path for evil to follow. I believe this to be true, however in God's Word, there are physical examples of spiritual truths. The beginning of the example is physical...Satan having real children through Eve, from Cain's lineage. This really shouldn't even be debated. The debate (if there is to be one) should be on whether there are still physical sons of Satan here, or if they are just spiritual sons. But they are his children, as Christ teaches multiple times. This is the talk that satan loves, it is the opposite of what Jesus told us to do. He said love one another.. that does not mean call others children of the devil. Jesus Himself called them CHILDREN of the DEVIL. Jesus had righteous anger, believe it or not. Jesus went out of the way to teach us of them again in Revelations 2 and 3. Satan is a demon, and not of our race. He is the enemy. And his lies. I agree. But angels and Satan are physical, and capable of reproduction with human females. Those who handed out hate tracts before did not know where it would end, these here now have seen the results, and yet they still do not believe. It is not about hate, but about being aware. The info is a boat...for the soon coming flood...of lies by Satan. There are many souls on the planet that will not overcome. They are to be destroyed. Christ didn't shy away from this fact. But He did prepare those who wish to accept it. There are many good folks who come to this board, and much of the doctrine is good and honest. But just one thing can be such a stumbling block, and seem so right. I thought for sure when Mr. Murray whipped out that gun, that some of these here would say HEY what is he doing. This happened a while ago, and I have heard it many times. I believe in the right to protect yourself. I hope you do too! Peter had a sword, David had a sword, 'twas the times. Today, we still have that right, to bear arms and protect ones self and land. Pastor Murray is a marine vet. He teaches as one. He has the right to have a gun, and all one has to do is read these threads and see the outward hate that is being projected towards Pastor Murray. Crazy people disrupting the service, and PM put a stop to it. In fact, his security did the stopping anyway. I lost hope here when many defended his actions, which should have shown him to be the opposite of following Jesus. That is your opinion, one that is not shared by those who believe in the right to bear arms. PM teaches truth, and that is what Jesus did. I do not want to fight endlessly as it is wasted time, but I also fear for those here who do not know that some doctrine is evil and from satan himself.. There are many of those doctrines. Apples in the garden, rapture, implanted chips for the Mark of the beast....many many. But since Christ taught the serpent seed, and told His election to watch and know who is who, (by their fruits-not physical appearance). and if that is so what would the results of that doctrine be... well we already have that example. I guess it depends on which side of the debate one stands on??? I see lies and deceit on the part of those who don't believe in the serpent's seed. Hitler or any freak, obviously didn't read or understand their bible, because it is specifically tells us not to touch them (kenites), as God will deal with them on His time table. Wheat and Tares look alike, and we are taught when and who separates them. in His service c | ||
| smyrna Senior Member Username: smyrna Post Number: 2570 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 72.150.38.174 |
Franklin thinks SNGC is me? Sorry, Glenn/Franklin/Gavin/FoxyLoxy/LittleChick you can make all the accusations you wish, but you can't prove it. Of course, maybe it's an attempt to make you feel good, by grouping all the posts that show you are a liar and you have no clue into just one person under many different names. It's ridiculous, but what else can anyone expect from a guy who thinks Genesis 3:15 is talking about snake eggs? No, you have a whole fan club on FN Frankie. By the way, you are such a coward, running to the admin whenever anyone posts something about you. If we SC students did that every time you called us racists and heretics, his email quota would have been exceeded! Frankie's first post said: "Is this the word of God or did Moses lie?" His hiome base, Cultbusters.com.au has a Thread Called: Let's talk About Satan On that thread,one poster claimed satan did not exist, and that Moses did NOT write the Torah!. No one challenged him, including Frankie. So the first question should be: Does Frankie even believe Moses wrote the Torah? | ||
| smyrna Senior Member Username: smyrna Post Number: 2571 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 72.150.38.174 |
Franklin thinks SGNG is me? Sorry, Glenn/Franklin/Gavin/FoxyLoxy/LittleChick you can make all the accusations you wish, but you can't prove it. Of course, maybe it's an attempt to make you feel good, by grouping all the posts that show you are a liar and you have no clue into just one person under many different names. It's ridiculous, but what else can anyone expect from a guy who thinks Genesis 3:15 is talking about snake eggs? No, you have a whole fan club on FN Frankie. By the way, you are such a coward, running to the admin whenever anyone posts something about you. If we SC students did that every time you called us racists and heretics, his email quota would have been exceeded! Frankie's first post said: "Is this the word of God or did Moses lie?" His home base, Cultbusters.com.au has a Thread Called: Let's talk About Satan On that thread,one poster claimed satan did not exist, and that Moses did NOT write the Torah!. No one challenged him, including Frankie. So the first question should be: Does Frankie even believe Moses wrote the Torah? | ||
| franklin Member Username: franklin Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 67.9.11.135 |
Moses wrote the Torah. I've stated before that many times. Now back to the topic. Christian, Jewish and Moslem faiths all interpret Genesis that Adam and Eve were the only humans created by God on the sixth day (no 8th day creation) and that ALL humans, red, yellow, black, white, germanic/gaelic, non germanic/gaelic descended from them. That is the topic. | ||
| watchman_2 Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 96 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
sharon wrote: ***** For one if one took that to be that there were other races born of a different Father why did God keep that a secret? And what would be the point? An evil race? Post No. 3 5/24/07 ***** Who has made the claim that there were more than one race sired by Satan? There is only one -- the Kenites. Of course, there were all the races created on the 6th Day. There is no secret about this fact. An examination of Hebrew language for the English word rendering of 'man', as used in Gen. 1:26, will always show that, in the plural form, it is properly interpreted as 'mankind'. However, the understanding of the existence of the offspring of Satan is not as easily determined. In fact, it has been somewhat of a secret over time. Christ, himself, declared so. Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. Christ goes on to explain this secret - Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Why the big mystery/secret? The same reason Christ spoke in parables. Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Why is it important for some to know? God needs priests during the Lord's Day [1000 years]. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. The secrecy/mystery is a test to separate out the Christians that know the truth from those that do not. It will be used to determine qualifications for teaching during the 1000 year reign of Christ. | ||
| grace2u Junior Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 44 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Sorry, Glenn/Franklin/Gavin/FoxyLoxy/LittleChick you can make all the accusations you wish, but you can't prove it. Franklin is not all of those people. Sorry - had to crash this party. My family will not do anything with me tonight. | ||
| called New member Username: called Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 141.150.36.6 |
Amplified Bible Acts 17:26 And He made from one [common origin, one source, one blood] all nations of men to settle on the face of the earth, having definitely determined [their] allotted periods of time and the fixed boundaries of their habitation (their settlements, lands, and abodes), Short and sweet | ||
| franklin Intermediate Member Username: franklin Post Number: 205 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 67.9.9.73 |
Thanks called for adding that. There is much proof in the bible that we ALL, white, black and yellow, came from one and only original set of male and female. Adam and Eve. | ||
| called New member Username: called Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 141.150.36.6 |
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