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     fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. } Pentecostal/charismatic Christianity has Embraced the Sorcery of Simon Would you give your body to men who swear to medical Gods? (devils) \when the Lord Jesus has given us elders who have Hands with the Power to heal James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.} You can exersize Faith in Jesus ,, or exersize unbelief in the institution of the AMA That is responsible for millions of abortions ( murderers) | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html NOVA Online Hippocratic Oath -- I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant: | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Rod of Asclepius From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Rod of Asclepius The Rod of Asclepius is an ancient Greek symbol associated with astrology and healing the sick with medicine. It consists of a serpent entwined around a staff. Asclepius, the son of Apollo, was practitioner of medicine in ancient Greek mythology. He was instructed in medicine by the centaur Chiron also connected to the constellation Ophiuchus. http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html Who was Asclepius? Asclepius was most probably a skilled physician who practised in Greece around 1200BC (and described in Homer's Iliad). Eventually through myth and legend he came to be worshipped as Asclepius, the (Greek) god of Healing. [See BBC reference] Medical schools developed, which were usually connected to temples or shrines called Asclepions (Asclepieia) dedicated to Asclepius. The Asclepion became very important in Greek society. Patients believed they could be cured by sleeping in them. They would visit, offering gifts and sacrifices to the god, and be treated by priest healers (called the Asclepiadae). The worship of Asclepius spread to Rome and continued as late as the sixth century. The Asclepiadae were a large order of priest physicians who controlled the sacred secrets of healing, which were passed from father to son. Harmless Aesculapian snakes were kept in the combination hospital-temples built by the ancient Greeks and, later, by the Romans in honor of the god. The snakes are found not only in their original range of southern Europe, but also in the various places in Germany and Austria where Roman temples had been established. Escaped snakes survived and flourished. Smooth, glossy, and slender, the snake has a uniformly brown back with a streak of darker color behind the eyes. The snake's belly is yellowish or whitish and has ridged scales that catch easily on rough surfaces, making it especially adapted for climbing trees. Scientific classification: The Aesculapian snake belongs to the family Colubridae. It is classified as Elaphe longissima. Meditrine, Hygeia and Panacea: The children of Asclepius included his daughters Meditrina, Hygeia and Panacea who were symbols of medicine, hygiene and healing (literally, "all healing") respectively. Two of the sons of Asclepius appeared in Homer's Illiad as physicians in the Greek army (Machaon and Podalirius). Despite the unequivocal claim of the staff of Asclepius to represent medicine (and healing), the caduceus, a rod with two entwined serpents topped by a pair of wings appears to be the more popular symbol of medicine in the United States, probably due to simple confusion between the caduceus and the staff of Asclepius, the true symbol of medicine. Many people use the word caduceus to mean both of these emblems. | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
its not good to build upon another mans foundation ( I don’t) Yet in regards to Hobart Freeman’s position on Healing He was correct and His understanding of the spiritual danger of compromising with sorcery was Sound Doctrine So what happened ? With those who are compromising? 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Webster’s collage dictionary; phar•ma•cy (fär‚mƒ sŽ) n., pl. -cies 1. DRUGSTORE. 2. Also called pharmaceutics. the art and science of preparing and dispensing drugs and medicines. [1645–55; earlier pharmacia < ML < Gk pharmakeía druggist's work. See PHARMACO-, -Y3] pharmaco- a combining form meaning "drug": pharmacology. [comb. form repr. Gk phármakon drug] Acts 8:9 (KJV) But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: mageuo, Greek 3096, Strong’s mageuo, mag-yoo'-o; from Greek 3097 (magos); to practice magic :- use sorcery. pharmakeia, Greek 5331, Strong’s pharmakeia,  far-mak-i'-ah; from Greek 5332 (pharmakeus); medication (“pharmacy”), i.e. (by extension) magic (literal or figurative) :- sorcery, witchcraft. Acts 8:11 (KJV) And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. Rev. 9:21 (KJV) Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Rev. 18:23 (KJV) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
wake up to the TRUTH John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee. Matthew 14:35 And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased; Matthew 14:36 And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole. Hebrews 13:8 (KJV) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. DO YOU LOVE JESUS? WAKE UP! | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 168 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Five, As Bob Vila always says on his home improvement show: "It's good to have you home again!" Duncan | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Are you a Overcomer? walking in the Spirit? have you crucified the flesh? do you trust in the Arm of the flesh? Do you commit sin? Or overcome sin? are you of this World? Or not of this world? Do you Have the Full Amour of God on? Have you put on the new man which after God is Created In righteousness and true Holiness? Have you received the power To become the sons of God? Do you tread on scorpions and serpents? And have power over all the power of the enemy? Are you more than a conqueror? Is He that is in you greater than he that is in this world? Are you part of MY church? Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Do you have signs following you? Have you laid hands on the sick? Have they recovered? Have you cast out devils? Are you Baptized in the Holy Ghost? Have you spoken in Tongues? DO YOU HAVE A PROPHET? Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Receive the Truth! Be Blessed In Jesus’s mighty name! | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Duncan GBU tell Bob to build on the ROCK! | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 169 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Five, What does GBU stand for? I've never seen that before? As for Bob - Good line. Duncan | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
haha Its Paltalk slang God Bless You! | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 170 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Five, Thanks for the clarification, and the words. I guess I'm not up to date on all of my acronyms. Duncan | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 5049 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.53.143.128 |
"DO YOU HAVE A PROPHET?" We don't need no stinking prophet! Prophets are for cults. Prophets were for the Old Testament times before Christ. The Holy Spirit replaces the need for prophets. | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 252 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Well look who is back...fivefoldfalseprophet. What false prophecies do you have for us today, Michael? I will give you this though...at least we can agree on what you said about the medical deities and what Hobart Freeman taught. I just wish that the others in this forum would realize that Brother Freeman was right about the teachings (or shall Isay say...warnings...about trusting in the arm of the flesh. Seriously though, Michael...it is nice to see you back. I hope we can get along better than we did the last time. I just hope that you don't accuse me anymore of the falsities that you did the last time. All you need to do is simply apolgize for the harm that you did. (Message edited by mark1124 on April 02, 2007) | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 171 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Franklin, Not to argue, but there is the office of a prophet listed several places in the New Testament, so it is not just for the OT. However, I believe the New Testament office is much different from the Old Testament, because they did not have the benefit of the Bible in the OT. Today, we have the Bible, which is all-sufficient to teach us and answer our questions. I see the office of a prophet today as one who proclaims the Word of God as found in the scripture, not someone who delivers a message that has never been heard before (such as the case in the OT.) Just my thoughts. Duncan | ||
| hombre Intermediate Member Username: hombre Post Number: 264 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.254.77.23 |
I'm not justifying Fivers calling, Frank, but I'm nevertheless real sorry to burst your bubble. Ephesians 4 : 11-14. ...And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; .... | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 254 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Looks like Franklin is back with his garbage. But look...he deleted his post before I got to read it. What a shame! To not need prophets sounds like the cessationists gibberish that it all passed away with the completion of the canon garbage. I agree with the word which says that God gave us prophets, as well as the other offices in Eph 4. They will be here until the rapture takes place. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 5051 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.53.143.128 |
"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:" That happened at the Nicene Council. The books that were deemed to be inspired by God were compiled into the sacred Holy Bible. From there on we had enough of the unity of faith, the definition of our beliefs so that we "henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; ....". That time has come and gone. Anyone claiming to be a prophet nowadays is a deceiver. | ||
| fivefoldprophet New member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.110.228.254 |
some are called ,some are sent ,some just packed up their bags and went..... 1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 1 Cor. 14:32 (KJV) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 5052 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.53.143.128 |
You might think you need a guru to stand between you and God, but scripture tells me otherwise. Not any man but ONLY Christ is between us and God. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.110.228.254 |
Franklin and mark1124 your judgment is your words I will warn you both , be careful lest you grieve the Holy Ghost! | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 5053 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.53.143.128 |
Your man worshipping of false prophets is very grievous to the Holy Ghost. These phonies you set up on pedestals are usurping the role and authority of the Holy Ghost! | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.110.228.254 |
1 Cor. 14:37 (KJV) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. do you believe Paul? Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 5054 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.53.143.128 |
"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:" That happened at the Nicene Council. The books that were deemed to be inspired by God were compiled into the sacred Holy Bible. From there on we had enough of the unity of faith, the definition of our beliefs so that we "henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; ....". That time has come and gone. Anyone claiming to be a prophet nowadays is a deceiver. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.110.228.254 |
paltalk room title christian section prophets here to serve you come in and take the mic and talk its open now | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 255 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Fivefold...you are not a prophet of God. You are a false prophet if anything. I do not fear a false prophet. Franklin...since we do not need prophets, as you claim, then we don't need the evangelists, pastors and teachers either. Fivefoldfalseprophet, it looks like you have not repented of your sins. Why should I listen to you? It was YOU that grieved the Holy Spirit by coming against me in my prayer against the war. It was YOU that grieved the Holy Spirit by your false accusations against me about postting to a porno site and telling bad jokes. It was YOU that grieved the Holy Spirit by saying bad things about me, David Rodriguez, Wendall Snavely, and hurting people like Joanne and myself. It is YOU that grieved the Holy Spirit for your unrepentant behavior. And you minister the gospel with song and violin like you do? You deceive the masses with your message. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing and have proved that you are unrepentant of your tirades against all of us. The Lord have mercy on your soul. How many people have you condemned in your room today Michael? At least when I did my room, people felt the love of God there. But all we hear is condemnation in yours. Sorry Michael. I don't take you seriously. I have had enough of your gibberish. Same goes with Franklin. I don't want to read your gibberish here or on Cultbusters. I hear you've been a bad boy there Franklin. The Lord have mercy on you too. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 5055 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.53.143.128 |
Don't besmirch my name and character with your insinuations manworshipper. May God show mercy to you too. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.110.228.254 |
they removed you (mark) as a admin,, I have had the pastor (brenneman) agree with my stand against you,,, and so did wendel snavely,, he said you prayed for war three times and was way of order... the Pastor Brenneman said your Jokes were not christ like,, so did David Rodriguez the Lord gave me a prophesy that you would dry up. and you did,,,, you are not the admin because God removed you ,,,because you would not repent and are in pride you should wake up before you dig a deeper hole | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 256 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
I did not dry up. I am more on fire for God than I have ever been. Therefore, you are a false prophet. | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 257 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
And another thing Michael. Brenneman lied to me by telling me a half truth. I resigned as admin. I was not removed by Brenneman. So he lied to you too. He lied to me by saying that it was time to change the admin code anyway when I wanted to come back. But Joanne said something totally different. So he lied again and he was in shock that I told him that he lied. And it goes to prove to me how deceived they all were for thinking that my prayer supported the war. And anyone, including you, are also deceived who think the same way. God knows that I did not intend to pray anything that was contrary to His revealed will. Sorry falseprophet, you're wrong again. So is Brenneman, Snaveley and Rodriguez. You have my blessings to tell them I said so. Next false prophecy please. | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 172 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 75.120.27.113 |
Didn't we already see this movie a couple of years ago?? Are we going to be forced to see the re-run? Gentlemen, let's please not go through all this again. It is not edifying to the board, nor to the body of Christ. It only serves to discourage people who read it. It is obvious that neither of you will change your position, so why bother arguing? Duncan | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 258 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.92.43.177 |
Simple Duncan. Michael will not repent. But you are right. I have better things to do with my time than to discuss things with a false prophet. | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 259 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.92.43.177 |
Now that we have put the false prophet and the heretics behind us, it is time for something more edifying. In light of what the false prophet wrote at the beginning of this thread, I began to think of the cult websites that mention Brother Freeman. Some of them, if you will observe, say that Brother Freeman and FA "shunned" medical science and doctors but they never mentioned why. Based on the false prophet's information, it is obvious to see why Brother Freeman didn't "shun" doctors and medical science, but warned the flock about the dangers of going that route for healing and taught a better way...that is through the atonement of Jesus Christ. That is the way a true shepherd of God's sheep should do...watch and warn about the dangers that are out there. I thank God that Brother Freeman did not neglect the call of God on his life. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.110.228.254 |
Duncan Thanks Lord Bless YOU | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.110.228.254 |
its interesting to see the increase of occult activity in the world of medical science do a word search study on labyrinth growing amounts of hospitals are incorporating them in as occult healing circles | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 260 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
And another thing Michael. Brenneman lied to me by telling me a half truth. I resigned as admin. I was not removed by Brenneman. So he lied to you too. He lied to me by saying that it was time to change the admin code anyway when I wanted to come back. But Joanne said something totally different. So he lied again and he was in shock that I told him that he lied. And it goes to prove to me how deceived they all were for thinking that my prayer supported the war. And anyone, including you, are also deceived who think the same way. God knows that I did not intend to pray anything that was contrary to His revealed will. Sorry falseprophet, you're wrong again. So is Brenneman, Snaveley and Rodriguez. You have my blessings to tell them I said so. Next false prophecy please. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.79.239 |
Lots of websites on hospitals with labyrinths saw a news report in florida channel 2 news out of orlando dr. ted husky led a group of doctors thru a labyrinth at the florida hospital they were seeking spiritual energy it was amazing watching AMA physcians practicing the Occult... Wake up! people Jesus is the only true physician! do your own search on labyrinths and hospitals and also with wicca.... Home Page Labyrinth EnterprisesHospitals: Spiritual technology . . . hospital labyrinth list . . . survey Short radio piece on Mercy Hospital labyrinth in Grayling, MI -- here's the link: ... www.labyrinth-enterprises.com/ - 16k - Cached - Similar pages Circles 12See also the List of hospitals with labyrinths.) ADD YOUR LABYRINTH TO THE WORLDWIDE LOCATOR Now containing some 1500 listings, the Worldwide Labyrinth ... www.labyrinth-enterprises.com/circles12.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.labyrinth-enterprises.com ] special projects & activities - researchRobert Ferré's Labyrinth-Enterprises website provides a list of hospital labyrinths. National Center of Complementary and Alternative Medicine ... labyrinthsociety.org/html/research.phtml - 42k - Cached - Similar pages | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 261 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
As I said earlier, Freeman warned everyone about the dangers of going to medical science. And yet, Christians who claim that God is their healer still want to trust in man instead. It doesn't make sense to me. Simple research, as Michael has done, should suffice. Why would anyone still want to go to the arm of flesh after reading this information is beyond me. Thank God that He is our Healer! | ||
| healed Intermediate Member Username: healed Post Number: 207 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 60.41.142.248 |
well I like the re run. Fi Fo Fu got it out for Mark. | ||
| hombre Intermediate Member Username: hombre Post Number: 265 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.254.77.23 |
Anyone taking away or adding to the Bible is a deceiver; which is precisely what you are doing, Franklin. What do you do with the 2 prophets from Revelation 11?...from the looks of things, you'll be one of those rejoicing with the rest of the world at their death. | ||
| hombre Intermediate Member Username: hombre Post Number: 266 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.254.77.23 |
Ah.....now I see where you are confused, Franklin. Yes, we have no other MEDIATOR between God and man, than the man Christ Jesus, BUT God set offices in the church for the purposes previously outlined in Eph. 4 : 11-14, UNTIL we ALL come to the unity of THE FAITH....which has not happened yet, as is so painfully evident from looking at this board. | ||
| hombre Intermediate Member Username: hombre Post Number: 267 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.254.77.23 |
Too funny....what do you think true religion is Fiver? BTW: the working of gifts is 'as the Spirit wills', not as YOU will. Advertising yourself as a prophet waiting to serve the next number in line, is no different than the tv psychics and fortunetellers....nothwithsanding, I also note a element of prideful arrogance in that statement, that is also unbecoming to someone claiming to have been annointed to fill that office. | ||
| hombre Intermediate Member Username: hombre Post Number: 268 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.254.77.23 |
Seems logical, doesn't it?...nevertheless, regardless of what this may or may not look like to outsiders, there is sometimes a wealth of information displayed about the various personas represented here...and the bottom line is, that we are commanded to: 'contend for The Faith which was once delivered to the saints'......which is precisely what is happening here. Peaceful co-existence with error, lies and heresy is really quite impossible; though I greatly respect your attitude of brotherly love and conciliation. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.1.130.6 |
Hombre instead of people inventing their own opinions The scripture gives answers and is a perfect yard stick of truth John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Agree? So what does the scripture say? 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Try the spirits of prophets , put them on Trial.. Agree? (who wrote these statements below?) 1# they only speak in the name of Yahweh 2# spoke only by revelation or inspiration 3# could be identified by the testimony of his own moral character 4# was conscience of a definite call experience 5# commission often was authenticated with signs or miracles 6# message was in harmony with previous revelation 7# historical conformation authenticated true prophet 8# moral quality of the message differentiated between true and false 9# hearers discernment indicated true or false Hombre do you agree with the information that I have posted in this thread concerning swearing oaths to medical deities? Hombre who is your Prophet? Lord Bless michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.1.130.6 |
hombre you ask; >Too funny....what do you think true religion is Fiver?< answer; the words "true religion" are not in scripture so what is in scripture? "pure religion" James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Do agree with this scripture? Hombre this is my church are you a member? Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. “I hope so” God bless you michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.1.130.6 |
So why does the socalled “ word of faith”/“charismatic” ”Pentecostal”// Go to physicians who swear oaths to medical deities? when the scripture says: James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. When the Lord who created the heavens and earth gave us Elders? James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. The Prayer of Faith is not embracing men who swear oaths to devils! so why ????? 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; Jesus is lord michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.1.130.6 |
God Heals with miracles nowhere in scripture does it say; God heals naturally All Your Health Questions Answered Naturally Price: $60.00 !http://www.bennyhinn.org/shopping/productdesc.cfm?itemid=112 Simon the sorcerer used natural healing remedies Nowhere in scripture are Herbs said to be Gods medicine Herbs are FOOD Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Psalms 104:14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; Proverbs 15:17 Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith. MY Jesus is not a Plant! Wake up! So what is Gods medicine????? Proverbs 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones. Lord Bless you michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.1.130.6 |
these are just some website searches I have not read each article,, just proves point! Occult in modern medicine NurseWeek: Healing Hands: Hospital staff receive a special ... Healing Hands Hospital staff receive a special blessing for their role in caregiving ... It only takes two minutes, but it’s a very spiritual two minutes, ... www.nurseweek.com/features/00-06/parish.html - 17k - Cached - Similar pages Spiritual Healing by Dora Kunz Then they go through the spiritual healing ritual and hey have many ... he really has one of the finest healing power or healing hands I have ever seen. ... www.theosophical.ca/SpiritualHealing.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages Spiritual Caregiving: Gaining Release: Healing Hands and Labyrinths Until fairly recently, the tradition of "hands-on healing" was ignored by conventional Western medicine. Scripps Health, a five-hospital campus in San Diego ... www.caregivershome.com/Spiritual/spiritual.cfm - 21k - Cached - Similar pages Reiki - Japanese Spiritual Healing Reiki has been gaining some popularity worldwide within hospitals. ... Spiritual Healing: Scientific Validation of a Healing Revolution, Daniel J. Benor, ... www.tranquillizer.co.uk/reiki.html - 36k - Cached - Similar pages [PDF] Paganism & Hospitals File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Personal responsibility for spiritual growth and. mundane world affairs ... we can perform divination, healing, and the like. ... www.washington-baltimore-paganclergy.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/hospitalchaplaincy.pdf - Similar pages Amazon.com: The Power of Reiki: An Ancient Hands-On Healing ... A Practical Guide to Vibrational Medicine: Energy Healing and Spiritual ... of the cross when you say you are studying Wicca but its okay to study Reiki. ... www.amazon.com/Power-Reiki-Ancient-Hands-Technique/dp/0805055592 - 138k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.amazon.com ] Holistic Healing A hands-on healing such as spiritual healing or Reiki, which is touching us at a much deeper level… in fact working at soul level to help heal us. ... www.healingnetwork.co.uk/holistic_healing.htm - 24k - Cached - Similar pages John 3:21 (KJV) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. God Bless you michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.1.130.6 |
Hombre do you equate serving with evil HUH? You said:;Too funny....what do you think true religion is Fiver? BTW: the working of gifts is 'as the Spirit wills', not as YOU will. Advertising yourself as a prophet waiting to serve the next number in line, is no different than the tv psychics and fortunetellers....nothwithsanding, I also note a element of prideful arrogance in that statement, that is also unbecoming to someone claiming to have been annointed to fill that office. My answer is again ” I will stand on scripture” Galatians 5:13 (KJV) For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. Do you agree? the Spirit wills we serve God bless you michael do you agree with serving others??? or is your opinion serving is prideful arrogance? | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 262 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Here are some interesting links to the subject being discussed here. Michael has given some very useful information and I would like to add to it just to support his case: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Health_Concerns/doctors_are_third_leading_cause_of_death.htm http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/medical_mistakes.htm http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/10/29/medical_system_is_leading_cause_of_death_and_injury_in_us.htm And how about the costs of trusting the medical dieties instead of the Great Physician. http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/us_health_system.htm I have said this before and I will say it again: Have you ever heard of God needing medical malpractice insurance? Nope. He doesn't make mistakes when it comes to healing the body. And what about the negative side effects to medicines? I never read of a negative side effect in God's method of healing. God's method of healing never changes, and yet new medical information comes out all the time. Like Michael, I too will stay with the word for it is the word that that is the solid rock on which I stand. Exodus 15:26 "for I am the LORD that healeth thee." (not the doctors) Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. So for those who call me a manworshipper or manfollower or a "Freemanite" or whatever...God bless you. For those of you who say that it is nothing but "Freeman's interpretation of the Word", it looks like Michael and I have proven otherwise. I like what Brother Freeman said on a radio tape that I was listening to while driving to work one day..."You are only a close to the god that you trust." Think about it. Mark S. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.162 |
When I was young I met Hobart Freeman and when to Faith assembly\ I bought all the tapes available on reel to reel and listen to all of them. Hobart Freeman came against the teachings of E.W Keyon and his book What Happened: From the Cross to the Throne ... It was the point where Freeman separated Himself from most of the other mainstream Word of Faith Teachers.. Hobart Freeman was careful not to step into the trap of bashing people , but explained the difference between these doctrinal positions , I have also warned people not to step into that trap ( my Point in all pervious posts)… .One statement alone should be Sufficient to wake up any believer to the heresy and abomination That came from that teaching “ Jesus took on the nature of the adversary” (where is that in scripture?) (not in my bible) when you add that up with teaching that promotes christian holy wars And teaching that accepts medicine and physicians who swear Oaths to medical deities , Christian insurance agencys haha , Christian Rock music. Christian politics (running for president photos of holding a machine gun dressed in Camo) Word of faith teachers dancing around on TVs waving american flags praying for quick wars and supporting the troops as they fight and kill to protect Israel. it should be enough to see something is wrong!!!!!! The Scripture says Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! It reminds me of the scripture every wind of doctrine! Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; most mainstream TV word faith ministers teach the persident is a christian,, have you seen the white house 2002 harry potter Christmas Photos? Christmas trees covered with witches its at the Gov website I really Believe that it would be best to not build upon another mans foundation.. But rather build upon Christ the Rock… Have you graduated from following men and now stand on the Word.. I don’t need to defend or follow any dead men, wouldn’t it be better To fight for truth and defend scripture and minister to others truth Than get caught up in fighting over someone who has died and Build upon another mans foundation.. I really believe as long as I listened and watched Freeman he was always pointing the message Away from Him and towards the Scripture , He warned people not to Build upon another mans foundation,, Lord Bless Michael ( think about it?? when men swear oaths to deities is it a religion?) | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 41 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.165 |
also the Lord has told me to warn someone! this person has the leadership position (you know who you are!) You made a statement! Something to the effect! Quote; If a person goes to a Doctor it does not mean he may not be a overcomer The word the Lord has told me to tell you! WAKE UP! Is your God the better of two evils? if you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall surly die Rather eat of the Tree of Life "Good and Perfect!" are you in the bond of perfectness? on the narrow way? | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 76 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
Fivefoldprophet, no matter what you say, doctors and dentists are not on trial here. Rather, it is the teaching, fruit and legacy of Hobart Freeman. I’m no great fan of the medical profession. I’ll never be party to an abortion or seek to save my life thru the taking of another life (stem cell research). However, if someone is bleeding to death, I’ll pray with him/her all the way to the hospital so they can get stitched up. It sounds like you would do nothing for someone needing medical attention. I sure hope you haven’t been to a doctor or dentist in the last 25 years. You judge it so harshly. It seems more important to you than people’s lives. I can’t imagine how harshly you’ll be judged, if you’ve ever gotten medical treatment or had a tooth filled. (Matthew 7:2 & Romans 2:1) _____ The few remaining Freeman overcomers always profess the Biblical accuracy of his faith formula. It never bothers them that it doesn’t work. Wherever and whenever it is practiced, suffering and death is always the result. Hobart Freeman quipped, “What I confess, I possess.” It killed him and more than 100 of his followers, mostly children and birthing mothers. Please don’t give me the sorry refrain, “It was their own fault.” The self-anointed prophet himself couldn’t make it work either. It killed Freeman and his own grandchild. You are blind to the fruit. You are content only to see, “Here it is in the Bible, just the way dear Brother Freeman taught it.” I have never understood why it is necessary for some to follow a self-anointed prophet. Do you believe God vests all His truth in the likes of a Hobart Freeman? Do you really think the rest of Christendom is a poor also ran, compared to you? That’s nothing but cult mentality and egomania. Here in FACTnet, overcomers prophesize against each other and contend they are persecuted. If they want to know real persecution, they should travel to Saudi Arabia and preach the Gospel or go to China and hand out Bibles. Then they may indeed end up being better than most other Christians, myself included. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 42 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.93.104 |
passin thru I think its good to seek Truth and look at different ministries and discern what is Love we need that to protect our selves from cults and dangerous teaching and warn others So I agree with your concern ,look at the cults that teach Jesus is not God manifest in the flesh And other cults that have forced poison on people like Jim Jones and look at Waco when they were arming themselves for battle and ended up killing themselves and their Children. You said; Fivefoldprophet, no matter what you say, doctors and dentists are not on trial here. Certainly for you dieing and suffering needlessly is the central issue that you are concerned with…… When Christians choose not to go to doctors or use medicine it does not matter who the teacher or prophet is for you the issue is people dieing who didn’t go to the doctor I agree with you in regards to your concern the bible says the enemy wants to hurt ,murder ,destroy cause disease ,,, as Christians we need to arm ourselves to stand against this and minister life and health, love and compassion towards others I have a question for you as a Christian would you swear a Oath to medical deities? Would Let a man who has , touch your Body? Or the Body of child you Love? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html NOVA Online Hippocratic Oath -- I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant: The Hippocratic Oath (see ancient and modern versions) is one of the oldest binding documents in history. Written in antiquity, its principles are held sacred by doctors to this day: treat the sick to the best of one's ability, preserve patient privacy, teach the secrets of medicine to the next generation, and so on. "The Oath of Hippocrates," holds the American Medical Association's Code of Medical Ethics (1996 edition), "has remained in Western civilization as an expression of ideal conduct for the physician." Today, most graduating medical-school students swear to some form of the oath, usually a modernized version. Indeed, oath-taking in recent decades has risen to near uniformity, with just 24 percent of U.S. medical schools administering the oath in 1928 to nearly 100 percent today. Jesus Christ is God manifested in the Flesh today! would not it be better and even Love to be healed miraculously by the Very God that Created the heavens and Earth? Do you agree? Lord Bless you "Pasin thru" michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.93.99 |
When someone swears to other gods does their Heart depart from Jesus who is God! manifest in the flesh? Would you trust such a person? Jeremiah 17:5 (KJV) Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. http://www.medicalmalpractice.com/National-Medical-Malpractice-Facts.cfm Between 44,000 and 98,000 people die in hospitals annually each year due to preventable medical errors, the Institute of Medicine found. A survey of doctors and other adults released in December in the New England Journal of Medicine found that more than a third of the doctors said they or their family members had experienced medical errors, most leading to serious health consequences. Lord bless Michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.12.109.207 |
swearing oaths to medical deities is moving away from magic and witchraft hahahahahahahahaha! they had to make a modern version to remove abortion from it when abortion was leglized http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/9/1083 "The Oath," writes Steven H. Miles, MD, in this book, "simply puts the swearer's character on the line for human judgment on whether the physician has honored the pledges to learn, to teach, to sustain the development of medicine, to benefit the ill, and to shun injustice." This ancient document attributed to Hippocrates helped medicine become a respected profession. Perhaps we need to look at it in more detail to fathom the crisis of trust that lurks in our profession. The oath is selfless and does not deal with economics, institutions, or the politics of medicine. Instead, it clarifies the relationship of doctor to patient and marks the turning point toward scientific medicine and away from healing by superstition, magic, witchcraft, or pseudoreligious metaphors | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.163 |
Christians WAKE UP! Journal of the American Medical Association =JAMA Jama states some modern forms of the Oath remove words that express gods but then turns around and says how great the oaths to gods has been and is today Jhon warned us in scripture 1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/284/22/2841 Vol. 284 No. 22, December 13, 2000 JAMA • Online Features Revisiting Hippocrates Does an Oath Really Matter? David Graham, MD Knoxville, Tenn JAMA. 2000;284:2841-2842. Hippocratic Oath c fifth century BC, Greece (translation text varies slightly depending on source) I swear by Apollo the physician, by Aesculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and judgment the following Oath: To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; to look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone, the precepts and the instruction. I will prescribe regimen for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone. To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug, nor give advice which may cause his death. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion. But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art. I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners (specialists in this art). In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction, and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or outside of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal. If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot. Hippocratic Oath .) It seems more apt to make physicians think twice about disobeying their oath than if they merely swear upon their own human honor. To invoke the gods and goddesses as witnesses to an oath is certainly a more serious undertaking than making a pledge to a personal conscience that can easily be ignored. In place of "gods" and "goddesses," perhaps consideration should be given to invoking God (with substitution of "Allah," "Higher Power," or "All I hold sacred" according to individual belief) in all of the modern oaths. | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 77 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
Michael, Hippocrates lived 400 BC. The ancient Greek gods were his false deities. They are not mine. The NOVA web link you posted also contains the modern medical oath. It mentions no deities. I recently had an eye exam at Sears for a new pair of glasses. You may be aghast to know I didn’t even ask the 65-year-old doctor if he was Christian. To me it was irrelevant, per the service being rendered. I also realize doctors and dentists make mistakes and cause injuries and deaths. More than once, I have refused to follow a doctor’s advice and gotten a second opinion. However, doctors are pretty good at simple life saving procedures like sewing up birthing mothers who are hemorrhaging. I asked a lady at our little church the last time she knew of a birthing mother dying. She thought for a good long while. Then she said, “I know there has probably been someone, but in my 40 years of attendance, I can’t think of one.” Therein, lies the point that overcomers never address. Freeman’s faith formula doesn’t work. It certainly didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits, the only rational conclusion is he was just another false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23) Have you been to a doctor/dentist in the last 25 years? (Matthew 7:2 & Romans 2:1) Why do you think it necessary to profess allegiance, loyalty and devotion to any self-anointed prophet? (1 Corinthians 1:10-17) P.S. Our faith in the Lord should not be limited to the miraculous. (Matthew 4:1-7) The story of a man caught in a flood comes to mind. A bus, boat and plane came by to rescue him. He told them, “No, thanks! I’m waiting for the Lord to deliver me.” The man was eventually swept away and died. In heaven, he saw an angel approaching. He was angry and was about to ask why the Lord let him drown. However, the angel spoke first, “What are you doing here? We sent you a bus, boat and plane.” | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.166 |
Wake UP! Christians who is YOUR GOD? Mine is Jesus ! Manifested in the flesh! http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/281/5/476 Journal of the American Medical Association =JAMA To blame modern society for elevating physicians to god-like status, as critics do when they assert that traditional religion has been replaced by the worship of science, is simply inaccurate. Aesculapius was venerated for his healing abilities. Over the centuries his status evolved from mortal to divine. He was vested with the unique ability to rise from the dead. Eventually, he became the most worshipped god in Greece. He was one of the first foreign gods accepted in Rome, and numerous Aesculapian temples persisted for centuries throughout the Roman Empire. The status of Aesculapius in pagan religion was considered parallel to that of Jesus Christ in Christianity, as the central deity around which the religion persisted.1-2 Thus, we can see that the near-religious reverence that some hold for physicians is not just a phenomenon of modern society but parallels attitudes that date back as far as 3000 years. | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 78 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
Michael, unlike you, I certainly don’t view a simple medical procedure or tooth filling as putting trust in some false deity or elevating doctors to godhood. Why won’t you answer my questions? Have you ever been to a doctor/dentist in the last 25 years? (Matthew 7:2 & Romans 2:1) Would you call EMT’s for someone needing medical assistance? (Luke 10:25-37 & Matthew 25:31-46) Why do you believe it necessary to profess allegiance, loyalty and devotion to any self-anointed prophet? (1 Corinthians 1:10-17) Do you think the rest of Christendom is a poor also ran, compared to you? (Matthew 23:8-12) ________ Yet again, there is the point overcomers never address. Freeman’s faith formula doesn’t work. It certainly didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was just another false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23) | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.79.226 |
Passin thru I am here to answer your questions and happy to help you understand Question Have you ever been to a doctor/dentist in the last 25 years? Answer NO ,Jesus is my only Physician and has provided perfect ly for many more years than that… I do not use medicine of any kind and do not go to ungodly physicians and have not ! Qeustion Would you call EMT’s for someone needing medical assistance? Answer YES without hesitation and I have called 911 EMT’s and have even drove a man to the hospital Question Why do you believe it necessary to profess allegiance, loyalty and devotion to any self-anointed prophet? (1 Corinthians Answer I would never profess allegiance to any self anointed Prophet I do not believe it necessary Question Do you think the rest of Christendom is a poor also ran, compared to you Answer NO I am a Christian and the Church I belong to is glorious not having a spot or wrinkle , it’s a Holy church without a blemish answer my question 1# would you swear a oath to metical deities? would you let a man who does be your physician? 2# does you church have any blemish or wrinkle or spot in it? Lord Bless michael | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 79 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
Michael, I’ll take you at your word that you haven’t been to a doctor/dentist in more than twenty-five years. After posting all the stuff you’ve posted in this thread, I hoped at least you lived it yourself. Four of my relatives have been Freemanite overcomers. Two died prematurely because of it. The other two are like you. They wouldn’t let a doctor near them to save their life. In their case, they look like hell. Their teeth have all rotted away, and they are virtually blind without glasses. Ever true to Hobart Freeman, they confess they have their healing. The EMT question was bit of a catch-22 for you. Per your beliefs, you engage in sin by helping others obtain ‘evil’ medical treatment. You can’t have it both ways. Either you sin by helping them go to a doctor, or you sin by not helping them at all. On the other hand, per my belief, I’m just assisting them to get medical treatment. Since I do not hold medical treatment is a sin, no one has committed any sin. In any event, good for you Michael, I’m glad you wouldn’t just let someone bleed to death. As far as you not having allegiance to self-anointed prophets, I would have to disagree. Your very first FACTnet posts were in defense of Hobart Freeman. Then you seemed to switch and be an advocate for Kenneth Copeland. Now, it seems you’re back to Freeman’s faith formula. I also have to take exception that you don’t think you’re a bit better than others, like those who go to doctors, like those you prophesize against, like your username that’s sets yourself up as some self-proclaimed prophet. To answer your questions: I do not swear oaths to false deities. I also do not ask physicians what oaths (if any) they have taken. I also do not look to see if they’re wearing a Masonic ring. I really don’t care. My concern is whether or not they have skill to treat the ailment. Like you, I’m blessed with pretty good health. So, my doctor/dentist visits have been limited to fairly routine exams and a couple emergency room visits. Per my church being without blemish, wrinkle or spot, I assume you are referring to Ephesians 5:25-27. Let’s not forget, it is Christ’s sacrifice that makes us without blemish, wrinkle or spot. This is not of our own doing. In this regard, my church and me are perfect. On our own merits, my church and me are covered with all sorts of flaws and imperfections. _____ Yet again, there remains the point overcomers never address. Freeman’s faith formula doesn’t work. It certainly didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was just another false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23) | ||
| fivefoldprophet Junior Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.162 |
I will address the Copeland issue its wrong for Christians to step across the line from exposing heresy to just down right Speaking in a unloving way towards these ministers my main motivation was coming against that’. also I wrestled with the teaching and prayed that God would lead me into A complete understanding of the atonement issue The answer for me came with moving past what both sides were saying and letting the Word speak for its self ( Just stand on scripture) two examples 1# “Jesus took on the nature of the adversary” This statement by the JDS teachers is not in scripture the word nature is in scripture two places “NT” Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. And 2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. Neither scripture say Jesus took on the nature of the adversary The mere expression is blasphemy and a abomination 2# “Jesus died spiritually” There is no scripture that says this! But rather by standing on the scripture again and letting it speak for its self I learned the complete truth! Here is the answer I learned Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Jesus’s Spirit didn’t die it was commended into the Fathers Hands About calling EMS and taking someone to the hospital I cannot force faith on anyone or force someone to repent All I can do is love them if they choose to go to doctors that’s their business , in the event of their emergency If they choose to want to go to a hospital and need help I will call or take them ,My prayer is they would turn To Jesus the great Physician who is Perfect Pure Holy And Created the Heavens and Earth and exersize Faith In His wonderful promises to Heal,,, rather than Exersize unbelief and run to the AMA who Is responsible for millions of children’s abortions why trust in murderers? And Idolatry? The teaching of Gods Love and Healing has worked perfectly in my Life and I love Jesus,,,, Lord Bless michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.162 |
the AMA is murderers WAKE UP! http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html UNITED STATES Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996) Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700 Who's having abortions (age)? 52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%. Who's having abortions (race)? While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely. Who's having abortions (marital status)? 64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%. Who's having abortions (religion)? Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical". Who's having abortions (income)? Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%. Why women have abortions 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient). At what gestational ages are abortions performed: 52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy. Likelihood of abortion: An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion. Abortion coverage: 48% of all abortion facilities provide services after the 12th week of pregnancy. 9 in 10 managed care plans routinely cover abortion or provide limited coverage. About 14% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds, virtually all of which are state funds. 16 states (CA, CT, HI, ED, IL, MA , MD, MD, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA and WV) pay for abortions for some poor women. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.162 |
these socalled Christian and religious groups\ support MURDERERS and so does all that run to the AMA for healing! Religious groups supporting abortion rights Here is a partial list of religious groups that support abortion rights. American Ethical Union American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee American Humanist Association American Jewish Committee Catholics for a Free Choice Central Conference of American Rabbis Community of Christ Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion Jewish Reconstructionist Federation Kentucky Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice Moravian Church in America-Northern Province Na'Amat USA National Council of Jewish Women North American Federation of Temple Youth Presbyterian Church (USA) Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice of Massachusetts Spiritual Youth for Reproductive Freedom Summary of Sacred Choices The Union for Reform Judaism The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism United Church of Christ Unitarian Universalist Association Women of Reform Judaism Women's American ORT United Methodist Church | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 53 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.162 |
the link for the above post http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_abortion do you trust murderers with your health? WAKE UP (Message edited by fivefoldprophet on April 09, 2007) | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
so is there Witchcraft in the AMA? do they have some degree of occult activity? YES 1# swearing oaths, worshipping other gods is making sacrifice to devils and those who say they are Christian and partake of the AMA are just as guilty! 1 Cor. 10:20-21 (KJV) But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. [21] Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Tim. 4:1 (KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; The same false pastors and teachers are in league with witchcraft when they support in prayer and teach that Christians are to be patriotic supporting a perverse nation and calling war christian Philip. 2:15 (KJV) That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; The same false pastors and teachers call the white house Christians and brag about the greatness of a nation they label as Christian, but the truth is the white house has embraced witchcraft and is wicked (white house witchcraft celebration, photos at the official USA gov. webstite) http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/2003/christmas03-essay-2/06.html At the above link you can see that the present administration is not Christian but rather witches So its no surprise they endorse witchcraft in the AMA and even allow the murdering of millions of innocent american children Do you want them to murder your unborn child? Or practice medicine on your living child? Lord Bless you with Truth it shall make you FREE michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
so what is the answer????? Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Luke 3:7 O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Luke 13:3 (KJV) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. so will you repent NOW? YES OR NO? if you say YES you will grow faith believes Jesus is God manifested in the flesh and Jesus makes us free,, being made free from sin we manifest eternal life! go and sin no more! overcome sin ,sickness and have power over all the enemy! with Faith you a manifest into the sons of God Holy Perfect people without a spot or blemish doing righteousness , never falling , standing on grace! a percular people who are not "of this world" be blessed michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
these posts is at another tread and I want to address them here at my tread.. /////////////////////////////////////// odysseus Member Username: odysseus Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 74.133.105.58 Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 6:20 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark, I was just wondering about your insults to Micah and others. Is this the hallmark of an ‘Overcomer’ or an Over-Can’t? You know something, I think Hobart Freeman, (if he was alive today) would be very disappointed in your behavior and your insulting behavior toward others. Maybe ‘Five Fold’ was correct when he prophesied against you to ‘dry up’. Cause your intellect seems to have dried up and gone away. Faaaaaaaaaar awaaaaaaaay…. Maybe you need an “I Corinthians 5:5” treatment. (5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.) I recall you seem to have shown great joy in calling that chapter and verse down against someone else who disagreed with you. Hey, maybe it’s your turn now. Now you stay away from those three Stooges web sites, ok? Your and ‘Over-Comer’? Nah, I don’t think so….. (Message edited by odysseus on April 07, 2007) mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 280 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 11:58 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Um...Michael's prophecy of me drying up is a false prophecy. I am more on fire for the word than I ever have and I am getting hotter. I am far from being dried up. So I guess you were fooled by Fiver's false prophecy. Next question please. I notice that you stuck up for Micah. What's the saying...birds of a feather.... That's OK. You guys can be against me. God is for me so who can be against me? Nobody. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 57 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Mark the prophesy is conditional it will be fulfilled either by repentance or judgment The prayers you made three different days were seen by both ,me and Snavley As supporting a quick war by supporting the troops by praying for their safety , choosing sides and by support you are instead of being separate from this perverse nation “you are of this nation” Instead of being chosen because you are not of this world you are supporting the world ,war and carnality You have said this is not your intention And I don’t doubt you in that…. But neverless what was said was Perceived as praying for war….. You could say ; I should not have prayed for support of the troops and a quick war It was a mistake…I repent !. Some of the three stooges jokes are nonsense and just stupid stuff No big deal! But some was off color,, with topics that were unchristlike It appeared you were involved and your name was included in those posts Again NO BIG DEAL Just say I repent! And wiil choose better next time! Listen you have got into name calling and you know it! So be real and admit it and say you repent! To the ROOM even Hombre is warning you! So dont let the enemy win! The Big Deal is this! You have a good understanding of Truth …… And you are not afraid of their faces!!!!!! that’s a blessing! /I have in times past called names too and I have repented and if I Get out of line ,,,call me on it! I will repent again! Also I repent from being influenced by false doctrine and have made a complete turn around, the Lord is faithful and His Love and Grace is wonderful / I looked hard at both sides of the coin (so to speak ) And then just looked at the scripture and found truth It’s a blessing!!!!! We must remember Pride comes before the Fall! Romans 11:21 (KJV) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. If "we" call names!! 1 Cor. 8:9 (KJV) But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 1 Cor. 10:12 (KJV) Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. Galatians 5:15 (KJV) But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. These scripture apply to both of us and everyone else too Lord bless michael | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 173 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Five, I like the "new and improved version" of you. I have actually enjoyed reading some of your recent posts. Be careful not to post so much that people can't keep up with the reading, otherwise your posts will just be skimmed over. The dialogue has been pretty good lately. Good debate on both sides has occurred without people getting too personal or angry. I am happy to read. Duncan | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
duncan thanks I receive that! Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Lord bless michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Duncan Also I have learned a better understanding about turning the other Cheek when I saw in scripture how God protects His people and even destroys their enemies , I understood how a person can bless those who persecute you! The lord showed me that those people from this forum and associated with Overcomers.com that have posted the most vile pornographic stuff in my guest book will be destroyed , The Lord showed "its his vengeance" and He will grind them to a powder! So what lot do I have in this matter? Just turn the other cheek and say "Be Blessed!" The Prophesy God gave me was a conditional one and covered in a general sense all those involved either repentance or judgment the prophesy will be fulfilled either way just because someone can spout scripture and truth is some doctrine doesn’t mean they can be unrighteous 1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. I also blocked their ISP numbers and did ISP searches on their locations in relationship with ISP numbers at this forum Its my heart they REPENT and come forward , And IF they do then I will forgive them! Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. Lord Bless Michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Britannica Magic and religion played a large part in the medicine of prehistoric or primitive man. Administration of a vegetable drug or remedy by mouth was accompanied by incantations, dancing, grimaces, and all the tricks of the magician. Therefore, the first doctors, or "medicine men," were witch doctors or sorcerers. The use of charms and talismans, still prevalent in modern times, is of ancient origin. the use of power gained from the assistance or control of evil spirits. Sorcery is distinguished by some writers from witchcraft in that it may be practiced by anyone with the appropriate knowledge, using charms, spells, potions, and the like; whereas witchcraft is considered to result from an inherent mystical power and to be practiced by invisible means. Sorcery can be protective--for example, as a guard of property against theft. A practitioner of sorcery is called a sorcerer, or a wizard. History of pharmacy The beginnings of pharmacy are ancient. When the first person expressed juice from a succulent leaf to apply to a wound, this art was being practiced. In the Greek legend, Asclepius, the god of the healing art, delegated to Hygieia the duty of compounding his remedies. She was his apothecary or pharmacist. The physician-priests of Egypt were divided into two classes: those who visited the sick and those who remained in the temple and prepared remedies for the patients. In ancient Greece and Rome and during the Middle Ages in Europe, the art of healing recognized a separation between the duties of the physician and those of the herbalist, who supplied the physician with the raw materials from which to make medicines. The Arabian influence in Europe during the 8th century AD, however, brought about the practice of separate duties for the pharmacist and physician. The trend toward specialization was later reinforced by a law enacted by the city council of Bruges in 1683, forbidding physicians to prepare medications for their patients. In America, Benjamin Franklin took a pivotal step in keeping the two professions separate when he appointed an apothecary to the Pennsylvania Hospital. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 61 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Physician International standard bible encycloprdia. There is no evidence that at any time the priests of Israel were reputed to be the possessors of medical knowledge or tradition. There is, as far as I know, no record or tradition of a priest-physician in Bible times. The records of cure by the prophets, especially Elisha, are mostly recorded as miracles, not as cures by treatment. Eastmans bible dictionary; PHYSICIAN Asa, afflicted with some bodily malady, “sought not to the Lord but to the physicians” (2 Chron. 16:12). The “physicians” were those who “practised heathen arts of magic, disavowing recognized methods of cure, and dissociating the healing art from dependence on the God of Israel. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Amednews.com the newspaper for america's physician Editorial. June 20, 2005. The AMA's new logo is more than just a visually pleasing take on the Staff of Asclepius. Meet the American Medical Association's new logo, shown here for the first time in our online edition. It is a striking and modern public image for the organization. At the same time, it maintains a link with the rich history of the AMA and traditional symbols of the medical profession. As it has for nearly a century, the AMA's symbol features the single snake of the Staff of Asclepius. The symbol dates to antiquity, and represents its namesake, the Greek god of healing. The image of a serpent-entwined staff also appears in the biblical book of Exodus, wherein Moses is instructed to erect a brass pole with a serpent; whoever looked upon it was healed. A body of mythology surrounds Asclepius. He was taught about medicine by the centaur, Chiron, and became so skilled at healing that Zeus feared that the immortality of the gods was threatened. For many years the Staff of Asclepius has been confused with the caduceus, a symbol used by numerous medical organizations and that generally features two snakes encircling a rod topped with wings. According to most mythology, however, the caduceus represents the wand of the Greek god Hermes and often is associated with commercial endeavors. The AMA's new symbol, proudly and distinctly bearing the Staff of Asclepius, represents many things that are good about the profession and its organization, not the least of which is continuity. Although the symbol has been associated with the AMA for nearly a century, both it -- and the Association it represents -- have evolved over time. The current iteration of the symbol pays homage to the past while conveying to the profession and to the public a clear, forceful message about the AMA's future. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
a member of overcomers.com is associated with a cult awareness group "keeping tabs" | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 281 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Um...Michael...I do not need to repent. Case close. Off color is your opinion. Sorry Michael. Don't bring up things that are under the blood and are over with and we will get along just fine. I would suggest that you repent for your fact finding and fault finding ways by digging things up on me and for all the trouble that you caused me. As far as I and God are concerned, it is over with and under the blood. No need to say that I repent when it is already under the blood. I thought you knew that. Next discussion please. It is time to move on to other things. | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 282 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
You know, another thing Michael. I too notice a better attitude (for a lack of better way of saying it) with you and I like that about you. You know, Michael, when I prayed for a quick war, I was not praying FOR the war but AGAINST it. I may not have said it right but everyone should know that I would not want the war anymore than you or any other person. As far as the 3 stooges thing...you should have known better that I would have posted bad jokes on a porno site. And all the other things you thought about me. The only thing I wish you would have done, Michael, is to give me the benefit of the doubt. That's all I asked. Sometimes these chatrooms we get very defensive about things. I know that is the case with me, even out of a chatroom. Sometimes we say things we really don't mean. Sometimes we get angry and resentful and say things we don't really mean. I know that has been the case with me, and I know better. I appreciate the fact that you mentioned that I have a good understanding of the truth. Both you and I have been well grounded in that truth. Concerning the name calling...well, that's where the frustration got to me. Asked healed and the others. I know they went through a lot and believe it or not Healed, and the rest of you, I am not anti-sympathetic to what you went through. As to you Michael, I think this is a good launching point to put everything that was between us in the past and leave it there. When you come right down to it, what we were fighting about was over some stupid misunderstandings, if you think about it. And really, none of it should have escalated like it did. And Brenneman, Snavely and Rodriguez need to see that I didn't pray for the war either. If any of thought I did, they are wrong too and need to see what I was doing (or trying to do and didn't do such a great job of it.) I hope that you, as well as they, can see that. I would not be afraid to tell them they were wrong if I saw them face to face either. We can't change what happened in the past. I wish I could. But we can do better, as you say. After all, this is a walk. And sometimes I need to be reminded again and again about certain things. Thank God we have the Holy Spirit to help us in our walk with Him, showing us what to do and what not to do, and convict us if we need to. You know, Michael...not boasting here...but once you get to know me...I'm not that bad of a person. I love Jesus and the word just like you do. And that, Michael, is the thing that we have in common and that we can fellowship over. And all God's people said...AMEN | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Line up with this scripture MARK! (you always said you never did nothing wrong! never prayed for war,,and was justified in calling people names! and nothing was wrong with any jokes you were associated with) Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. proof you are accountable to others! I rebuked You! repent or I will not forgive you ,for the names you called me at my website and the other stuff you were into.. by admitting its under the blood you have admitted you did something wrong Brenneman said you did,, and Hombre was warning you about name calling.. I say you did ! So admit it and tell us you repent Will you say ( I repent ) ? YES or NO? If you say YES God will bless you If you say NO you will receive Judgement by God its you choice MARK | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 80 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
Above, Michael (fivefoldprophet) wrote that he recently realized the heresy of the ‘Jesus died spiritually’ teaching. Hopefully, he will also someday recognize of the falsehood of the word-of-faith (name it and claim it) doctrine. Since Michael made this thread a conglomerate of various web links and disjoined information, I’ll add some more. The following apologetics web link provides an array of information concerning the fallacies of the word-of-faith movement: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html The web link below shows the hypocrisy and failure in the lives of many word-of-faith advocates (including Hobart Freeman): http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/healthyself.html The web link below is a short article specifically about Hobart Freeman: http://www.watchman.org/cults/freeman.htm As most all people realize, there is a whole lot more to the story than Michael is telling. He is spewing an extremely dangerous failed philosophy. He is unconcerned with the suffering and death endured by others. People like him are content believing it works for them (so far). Hobart Freeman took word-of-faith falsities a deadly step further. Freeman taught all medical treatment of any kind was of the devil. He required total abstention from all medical aid. Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23) | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 283 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Michael, I have made my choice. Since you will not admit to me that you did anything wrong, in spite of my kind words to you, I have nothing to say to you further. You show me that you have not changed. Sorry Michael. This is the end of the line. I did nothing wrong and that's final! And that's the last thing I will say to you ever. So write your prophecies Michael. They are false. I give up. On to the discussion about medical science. It is more edifying to read. | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 284 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Pass thru....I'm not going to berate you on what you said. But the information that Michael gave you, as well as the information that I provided, should be evidence enough of what has been said about medical science. If you took the time to read the information that was provided, how can you still trust in fallible men? Hobart Freeman just provided information on what were facts. That's all. He warned of the dangers of going to medical science. Have you ever read Confessions of a Medical Heretic? Startling information there. I mean, if you take the time to do some simple research on the subject, you will find, if you are an honest person, which I believe you are, that Brother Freeman was right about warning about medical science. Passthru, what is wrong with trusting God alone for our needs, which includes our healing as well as every area of our lives? That's why God gave us over 7000-8000 promises in the Word. And He is faithful to fulfill each and every one of them, including healing for our bodies. Does God need the help of man to heal us? No. If you get sick, do you call for the doctors first or the elders of the church as in James 5? How big is God? Even my lightning fast mind can figure out that the God who created my body is well capable of healing it. Again, passthru. In spite of our differences in the past, I just wanted to share with you and encourage you in the faith that there is a better way. God bless. Mark | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.166 |
Sorry Michael. Don't bring up things that are under the blood where is the scripture? show me "under the blood!" | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 81 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
You are right Mark. There is a better way, Jesus. However, you just can’t see it. You’d rather follow the heresies of a dead man. A dead man who let newborn babies die, rather than admit he was in error. Overcomers are so close-minded, you can’t recognize the significance of what I’ve posted four times: Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23) However, you overcomers go your way. You continue to engage in calling down judgment upon each other. You are so deluded and full of yourselves. You actually think you can call on God to wreak vengeance upon each other for name-calling in an Internet forum. “Whaa, whaa! He called me a bad name. I call on God to strike him down. Whaa, whaa!” I’ve seen enough of your ‘better way’! | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.79.235 |
salvation only comes by the blood of Jesus and if a doctrine is false the salvation is false also Sin is not covered or under Jesus’ blood that doctrine is not in scripture | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 176 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Five, You are correct that there is no scripture that states "under the blood." However, Rev 1:5 states that Jesus "washed away our sins in his own blood." That's pretty close. Also,Psalm 103:12 states that he has removed our transgressions from us "as far as the east is from the west." That's pretty close, too. On the other hand, Matt 5: 23-24 tells us that if our brother has ought against us, go and reconcile with him before bringing your gifts to God. Regardless of whether we have asked God to forgive us of a sin we committed against our brother, we should also reconcile with our brother. It sounds to me that both Mark and Five have issues with each other (that may have been confessed before God and washed away by His son's blood), but they still should be cleared up between each other. In that case, it appears to me that some apologies are needed on both sides. Just my humble observation, based upon the scripture. Duncan | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 177 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Passin, I just finished reading one of the articles you posted that was a personal testimony of a guy named Jeff Beard out of the WOF movement. I thought it was an excellent article, and he explained his experiences very well. He stated many of the thoughts I have about this subject. Many people in the charasmatic movement today (not all) see God as some sort of celestial Santa Claus that they can go sit on His lap and tell Him what they want. Based upon scripture, it doesn't work that way. Romans tells us that we were put here for God's glory and pleasure, not ours. Now that is not to say that God won't supply all our needs. The problem is that many get their needs and wants mixed up. I need a car to get to work. A Volkswagon would get me there the same as a Mercedes. I need a house for me and my family to have shelter. A 1500 s.f. house would keep us out of the cold just the same as Kenneth Copeland's 25,000+ s.f. mansion. When we all finally realize that we are just aliens in this land and pilgrims passing through(props to your online handle) on our way to eternal life with Christ, our perspective on what's really important in life will come into focus. The Word tells us that what we have to put up with on this earth can't compare to what we have waiting for us in the hereafter. Duncan | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 285 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Duncan is right about apologies needed on both sides. It is too bad that the self proclaimed prophet that started the frakus (sp?) - will not budge. I just hope Michael doesn't play the song "I'm under the Blood" during his violin concerts. It doesn't matter. The blood of Jesus cleanses me from all sin and anyone who continues to condemn me is not of God. Michael can bring my so called "sins" before God and He will not know anything about them. Praise God. Now...let's please get to the original thread instead of going back and rehashing the crapola that fivefoldfalseprophet started 4 years ago. I would much rather talk about Divine healing without the aid of the medical deities than dealing with something that God forgave me about over 4 years ago. We know the devil is the one that condemns and that is all that has been done - condemnation. Thank God that we can claim the promises of God. Romans 8:1-2 come to mind here for me. Praise God for the overcoming message! Because I have overcome the condemnation that has been spewed out against me! Why? Because I have the victory over people (so-called "Christians") who try to condemn me over Mickey Mouse issues and lies. Thank God that He is on my side. I have the confidence to know that if God is for me, who can be against me. That includes ANYONE in this forum. | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 178 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Mark, You agreed with me that apologies are needed on both sides, so I will ask if you have ever apologized and asked Five to forgive you for any hurt or offense you have caused him? If not, you should. And just so you don't think I am picking on you, I would ask the same thing of Fiver. If you have ought against your brother, the time for reconciliation is here. If both of you have done each other wrong over some feud that most of us don't know about (or care about), then it is time to get things right with your brother. Don't worry about who's fault it is or who started it. That stuff is irrelevant. What is important is that brothers in Christ show Christian love to one another. I'll get off my soapbox now. Duncan | ||
| odysseus Member Username: odysseus Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 74.133.105.58 |
Oh Mark, you started out so sincere in your response to Five-Fold, and then you degenerated into your old over-can’t self. That was very disappointing. Mark you said quote,” (Why? Because I have the victory over people (so-called "Christians") who try to condemn me over Mickey Mouse issues and lies. Thank God that He is on my side. I have the confidence to know that if God is for me, who can be against me. That includes ANYONE in this forum.” You have the victory over what, a believer in Christ? So this is your legacy, getting a ‘one-upsman’ on another believer in our Lord. Classic! Such smugness and pride. Hombre has taught you well. Both of your are frauds. This is what ‘Passing-Thru’ was trying to get across to you? You just don’t get it do you? You have a problem with spiritual pride. Oh well, I don’t have the time to blog anymore. I’m getting ready to go on vacation for a week, so I’ll be unable to converse. So the rest of you ‘Over-Cant’s’ can try to make fun of me while I’m gone. It doesn’t matter anyway. Mark, you take care of yourself, because no one else will. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 68 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.93.102 |
Duncan You are correct about reconciliation ( no problem on my part with repenting) But that cannot happen unless he repents because ;its conditional Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; (and if he repent), forgive him. He is in sin! John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. Mark has had many people tell him to repent and he has called them names, Joe Brenneman has the wonderful loving heart of a pastor and was very long suffering with Mark Now mark is calling Him a Liar in this forum! The Lord showed me Mark must first repent “in Public” Of calling Joe Brenneman a Liar! In TEXT here! MARK The Lord is telling you to repent for calling Joe Brenneman a liar And if you don’t! surly a judgment is coming upon you! Are you going to repent!? YES? NO? Also under the blood or covering of blood is false doctrine to the degree of denying the atonement Many people teach this and tell you they sin and its covered Example smoking Christians under the blood saved even while sinning.. It’s a clever deception of circular reasoning ….such as case here! Under the blood is not in scripture because its false doctrine just as covered by Jesus’ blood Proper scripture is washed purged 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Think about it a dirty man who just puts on a coat (covering) or hides under a bed ( under) Is he still dirty? Yes But wash the man with water a lots of soap he is clean ( blood) Purge the sin out is removing sin ,, hiding sin is under ,covered Never really gone ,, still under the Law ect.. | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 179 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Five, You're absolutely correct that he has to say he's sorry first. I forgot that Jesus waited until those that crucified him repented before he said, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." As I recall, Stephen, when he was martyred, also waited until those that stoned him said they were sorry before asking God to forgive them. Remember Five, it is always easy to love someone who is nice to you. The hard part is to love someone who doesn't like you. I don't mean to preach, but I just thought I would give you something to think about. Duncan | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.105.144.135 |
Duncan I agree ! My prayer is Father forgive Mark He knows not what He does! Knowledge can Help so a person can know what he does! 1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. What we doeth is Righteousness.. overcome sin 1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. So My prayer is that Mark repents and receives eternal life! Love is corrective and when we can convert someone it’s the best Love James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. The Gift of eternal life is YES ,, NO is a Soul of Death! Wages sin Death Lord Bless you Duncan michael (Message edited by fivefoldprophet on April 11, 2007) | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 180 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Well, enough with the "Hatfield vs. McCoy" feud. I've said all I can, and it's up to those involved to search their own hearts. As such, let's get back to this thread. Let me post some questions for everyone, both the pro-FA crowd and the anti-Freeman crowd. This is something that I have a hard time reconciling in my own mind, so I would like some feedback from folks. Most of this is in regards to FA's version of divine healing and where to draw the line. 1) Why was it acceptable to use a magnifying glass to read the Bible (as my grandmother use to do), but if you moved the same lense up closer to your eyes and called it glasses, it was wrong? 2) Why is it be OK for me to brush my teeth with toothpaste, but if someone else (a dentist) used a little tool to scrape the plaque off my teeth it's considered a bad thing? 3) If I am out chopping wood and get a cut on my finger, it is OK to put a band-aid on the cut, but if the cut is really deep and I get someone to sew it up, it is a bad thing? (Both actions are just covering up the wound.) 4) Why was it OK for my sisters to wear "gouchos" or "koolots," but if they were 3 inches longer and called pants, they were doing something bad? I could go on and on with other examples, but I think everyone gets the point, which is this: Where do you draw the line between common sense and trusting in the "arm of the flesh." If I have a broken bone, then I am trusting that the doctor who is putting my cast on knows what he is doing. However, I don't consider this putting my trust in the "arm of the flesh". I see it no different than getting on a plane and trusting that the pilot sitting up front knows how to fly a plane. Even though I trust in the pilot, I still pray over a plane and the pilot everytime I go on a business trip. The same goes for when I go to a doctor. I'm still trusting in God for my healing. Looking back as an adult, it's things like this that insult my intelligence. I have no problem with nearly all the theology that Dr. Freeman preached, and it is virtually the same theology my current Southern Baptist pastor preaches. The difference was/is these little inconsistencies like I mentioned above. Those are the things that I can't understand. I welcome comments and questions. Duncan | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 70 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.105.144.135 |
Duncan There is no Hatfield vs. McCoy" feud. Just a Prophet trying to get a sinner to Repent Just exactly what Jesus did Luke 13:3 (KJV) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Agreed? Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; So lets move on? I agree I was at Faith Assembly and was a member But didn’t attend every service I never had any problem with the leadership over it,, and did have a good relationship with Stan Hill ,who at that time was from what I considered second behind Freeman my observations of what Faith Assembly was about may be different than others I don’t believe in following anyone but Jesus ,so that effects my perspective So I cannot argue about that I have no way of proving what happened at FA Question; 1) Why was it acceptable to use a magnifying glass to read the Bible (as my grandmother use to do), but if you moved the same lense up closer to your eyes and called it glasses, it was wrong? My answer; It’s a double standard and untruthful there is no difference between a magnifying glass and prescription glasses, the point is being healed. I have a friend named Gene he had around 50 years of age ,a bad time with his eyes ,he asked Jesus to heal his eyes and fasted and prayed it took two years for the manifestation, I know Gene and he was totally healed… about six months ago my eyes became so bad I could not read any size bible text, ,I remember going to a bible book store and looking at the biggest Bible they had with giant text and all I was seeing was blurred.. What happened with me was at one point I asked Jesus to heal me and started fighting , I made my mind up to press in and receive a healing so with great determination I tried to read and saw a blurred mess about two weeks out I was still fighting ,it was very uncomfortable when my wife and I would go into a restaurant I couldn’t read the menus . I tired to sign some papers and someone laughed and said ; hey why don’t you get some glasses I said I don’t need glasses and in Jesus name I break those words you spoke.. So for another week I was a mess but , I pressed in harder , I said I will not Let the enemy blind me ,, I am Healed in Jesus name! then something wonderful happened,, I looked at my bible and could see ,, with great effort I could see ,\ So now I was reading but it was hard and uncomfortable ,,but I was determined! and fought claiming healing scripture,, ,then another change came I gained Victory yet it was still uncomfortable but I laughed and it was fun…soon after "I took no thought" and I was seeing comfortably all size text,,,, Now I can read even tiny text with no problem,,,,, sometimes people don’t Fight the good Fight of Faith ,, they just give up and wait and Wait and wait for years,,,, | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Duncan Question; 2) Why is it be OK for me to brush my teeth with toothpaste, but if someone else (a dentist) used a little tool to scrape the plaque off my teeth it's considered a bad thing? My answer; If you brush properly plaque will not build up…if you feel you need A dentist to clean your teeth ,, that’s your business,, I don’t… Jesus can keep your teeth clean, the animals in the wild don’t go to Dentists,,, your Father loves you more! Question 3) If I am out chopping wood and get a cut on my finger, it is OK to put a band-aid on the cut, but if the cut is really deep and I get someone to sew it up, it is a bad thing? (Both actions are just covering up the wound.) Answer I will not be chopping wood and cut my self,,,, I walk by faith not by sight And do not live in hypothetical situations,, rather I stand on the word! Proverbs 21:31 The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD. Question 4) Why was it OK for my sisters to wear "gouchos" or "koolots," but if they were 3 inches longer and called pants, they were doing something bad? Answer Matthew 15:18 (KJV) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. I have seen many Apostolic women and Mennonites with religious cloths on that cuss and act like the devil Question; If I have a broken bone, then I am trusting that the doctor who is putting my cast on knows what he is doing. However, I don't consider this putting my trust in the "arm of the flesh". I see it no different than getting on a plane and trusting that the pilot sitting up front knows how to fly a plane. Even though I trust in the pilot, I still pray over a plane and the pilot everytime I go on a business trip. The same goes for when I go to a doctor. I'm still trusting in God for my healing. Answer 2 Cor. 5:11 (KJV) Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. Trusting in doctors can help people with broken bones ect.. But that’s not Faith ,its unbelief,,,, Faith come from God and Faith Is Godly….we can make the choice to grow in Faith or exersize unbelief…there is coming a time soon I seen it in a dream.. It is going to be some what like Katrina in New Orleans ,, they had no hospitals ,electric,,, the Police defected,, Fema didn’t come,, the Goverement wasn’t there.. The Insurance companies said they don’t cover ,,they were all alone… The point is Grow in Faith and Trust in the Lord Rev. 2:17 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Most people will not understand this scripture ! Comment; Looking back as an adult, it's things like this that insult my intelligence. I have no problem with nearly all the theology that Dr. Freeman preached, and it is virtually the same theology my current Southern Baptist pastor preaches. The difference was/is these little inconsistencies like I mentioned above. Those are the things that I can't understand. Comment; People today insult my intelligence just as they did back then….one of the Funniest ways they do is when I say I don’t believe in theology ,,,or theologians both words are not in my scripture KJV ,, and I don’t believe in theories but stand on the Word! Its Perfect Truth ,,then they tell me I am closed minded.. Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: GBU Duncan michael | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 74.164.176.205 |
Here is a video clip of what I do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCqWp7S26Lw Also here is some places I have been. http://markley.violin.tripod.com/ | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 181 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Five, Thanks for the response. Even though I don't agree with everything you said, I respect it and understand where your coming from. Each one of us has to work out our own salvation. As for hypothetical situations, I actually did cut my finger (not chopping wood, but with a box cutter opening a box). I could have put a band-aid on it and wrapped it up with gauze, but instead I went and got it sown up. Some folks may have a problem with that, but not me. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. Duncan | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.105.144.135 |
a physician swears oaths to medical gods to serve them before practicing on you. . but that don’t bother you? then if the Physician says to you someday you are so sick I cannot help you,, will you run to Jesus? and tell Him He is really the Bigger God! wonder what He will say? I wonder what the Physician would say if you asked Him why He belongs to and swears an oath to a association that murders children by the millions?? Would you want such a man to touch your child? Something to think about! Noah did! Luke 17:26 (KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. LOT DID! Luke 17:28-30 (KJV) Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; [29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. [30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. second most favorite woman on TV a sodomite churches ordained sodomites? seen TV ads lately on drugs>? its growing like wild fire.. Time is running out ,start growing in Faith so someone you know can grow too ( LOVE) Rev. 18:23 (KJV) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. GBU michael | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 82 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
I’ve seen many of the same things Duncan questions in my own ‘overcomer’ relatives. I also see Michael has the same personality as my relatives. They too say things like, “I will not be chopping wood and cut my self,,,, I walk by faith not by sight And do not live in hypothetical situations,, rather I stand on the word!” Like Michael’s quote, my relatives smugly profess accidents only happen to lowly lesser folk. Like Michael, they also confess perfect health. Yet, if anyone can get closer for a better look, the truth is very different. For example, my relatives now eat all food via a blender. They have no teeth left, and for them, dentures are of the devil. They believe giving up doctors is ALL-important, even though the Bible never says it. They have no idea their conception of God is warped. They don’t care as long as they can call themselves ‘overcomers’ and believe they are better than everyone else, including other overcomers (e.g. Michael versus Mark). If anyone were stupid enough to follow Michael’s posts and suffer or die, it would just be chalked up as yet another example of lack of faith or unrepentant sinner. Hobart Freeman taught well the ways of being compassionless and assuming no responsibility. I think of diabetics who need insulin daily and people needing dialysis to live. Freeman’s teaching was so hollow and insensitive. My overcomer relatives have said, “If diseased people had faith, they wouldn’t be sick.” What a sinful lie. Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. Matthew 7:13-23 fits Hobart Freeman and overcomers to a tee. P.S. Duncan, I believe ‘trusting in the hand of flesh’ means trusting man to the point of excluding God. This is not required, per a doctor/patient relationship. An example of being over-the-line would be the level of trust overcomers place in Hobart Freeman. | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.164 |
Paasing thru you said; P.S. Duncan, I believe ‘trusting in the hand of flesh’ means trusting man to the point of excluding God. This is not required, per a doctor/patient relationship. would swearing oaths to other gods be excluding the Real God??? trusting in the arm of the flesh of men who swear oaths to other gods be excluding God?????? | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
Fivefoldprophet, before I answer your question, give proof what I’ve posted six previous times is in error: Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23) | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 286 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
To Michael the false prophet...you call yourself a prophet. You have been tested and found wanting. The Lord led me to listen to the two tapes by brother Freeman on tests for True Prophets from the Jeremiah series and you have been shown to be a false prophet. Secondly, I am not a sinner. Thirdly, Brenneman DID lie. If I said that he did not lie, then I would be a liar. Now back to our regularly scheduled program. | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 287 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
To everyone else. I just praise God for His faithfulness in healing me without the aid of medical deities. I had been battling symptoms of a cold recently. In fact my voice was very raspy and I had to umpire a high school game behind the plate yesterday. My voice was worse for ware all day at work yesterday. I claimed my healing and a strong voice. I was the plate umpire in yesterday's game. When the game started, my voice was as strong as it ever was and I had no problems calling the game. My voice is still healed even this morning and I praise God that He healed me without the aid of medical deities. Now Michael, if I am a sinner, would God have heard me and would He have healed me? No. For God does not hear the prayer of a sinner (except the prayer to receive Jesus in his heart.) The Bible says that if I regard iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me. But God heard me, and in His faithfulness, He healed me. It looks like I am not a sinner after all. Thank God that I did not have to rely on the arm of the flesh to get my healing. And one other thing Michael, quit boasting of your good works. It is on your website and now you boast of your good works elsewhere. You have your reward now. Yes Michael, you are a prophet. I agree 100 percent with you...a false one. | ||
| healed Intermediate Member Username: healed Post Number: 211 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 219.164.28.50 |
Brother Mark seems so full of contridictions. Umpire the baseball game? I do seem to recall that playing or participating in sports cultivated a spirit of competiveness, so playing sports was out the window. How I would of loved to play sports in school, but that was to be shot down. Tell us brother Mark, how do you justify participating in sports these days? What would your idol Freeman say of that? | ||
| rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2779 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
"Thank God that I did not have to rely on the arm of the flesh to get my healing". Mark Mark that sounds like quite a prideful statement there. Relying on the intelligence of a medical professional is not really a bad thing- especially if your playing a game of baseball and you get knocked in the head with a bat and your bleeding all over - would you go get stitches I wonder or would you just say-"In Jesus name I command this bleeding to stop"...Mark stop this ridiculousness and quit spreading this false doctrine-lives are taken far to soon with this kind of teaching.. btw-I am RLS on cultbusters-I wasn't sure if yoiu knew that...but you were kind to me the other day regarding my loved one who lost her life to this doctrine-in fact I am sure your not an evil ogre ...just mislead...be careful- that is all that I can say. | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 182 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Based upon the responses to my questions, it looks like no one else can explain the contradictions that went on at FA. As I've said before, I am 100% behind the Word of God. What I do have a problem with is when men use their own beliefs to try and regulate everyday life, such as the clothes you wear, the types of foods you eat. Healed actually brought up another area that I forgot about - playing sports. As I recall, it wasn't about the competitive nature of sports, but is was based upon the scripture of not being "unequally yoked with unbelievers." This is another contradiction at FA. In some form or fashion, we are all linked to unbelievers. Examples are as follows: 1) We are have declared we are citizens of our state in order to obtain a drivers license. 2) Unless you are self-employed, we have jobs that link us to unbelievers through a common employer. 3) We have all joined FactNet, and there are many members who are not saved. Doesn't that yoke us together in some way? I could go on and on about ways we are yoke together with people every day. Why was it that playing sports was considered a different kind of yoking? Just like healed, I also was not able to play sports in school. I'm not scarred for life because I couldn't play sports, and I don't hate the world because of it. What I am stating is that there were many daily routines/activities that were demanded of Dr. Freeman that were just his opinion and not found anywhere in scripture. Going back to women wearing pants. No where in scripture does it say women couldn't wear pants. It states that women should not wear "that which pertains to a man." My wife has many pairs of pants that look nothing like my pants. So what we have here is HEF's own personal interpretation that was handed down as if it were gospel. Just some more friendly observations. Duncan | ||
| hombre Intermediate Member Username: hombre Post Number: 276 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.254.77.23 |
...back to the entire 'Faith Healing' issue. ...I've listened to both sides now, for what seems like forever. Bickering, fighting, denials, finger pointing, etc., etc., etc. Passin-thru wants to blame interpretations, and throw out the baby with the bathwater; so do Odyseuss and Healed. Mark wants to insist on the purity of HEF and FA; so does Five Fold Prophet, except there are other problems. Duncan wants to find middle ground to stage a sit-in for peace. I am going to suggest, and keep on saying that: 1. The problem ISN'T with what is in the Bible. 2. The Bible clearly teaches and promises physical healing from God. 3. The reasons WHY many haven't/didn't/may-never will get healed that way is due to their own personal problems. That might/would include some/one of the following ( not limited to, but defined for purposes of illustration ): A. Failure to believe. B. Sin in ones' life. C. A religious conviction versus a relationship with God. D. Trials of ones' faith. I am also going to say: I know you've heard all that before, but it's time to quit blaming HEF and FA, and using them as an excuse to not accept what is clearly presented in the Bible, and try to figure out why it didn't/doesn't work for you. Every possible reason that I can think of, fits in the above categories. Where I believe that we need some balance, is in this refusal to face Bible scriptures like Mark 11:24, and like Mark 16, and like James 5, and come to a definitive conclusion about them. Why on earth should they be any different than John 3:16 in terms of their face value? Next, I would suggest that everything that we need to understand these issues is already contained within the Bible. For example, We are told that people who waver in faith don't receive. Common sense ought to tell one that if they don't feel comfortable with trusting God for their healing, or if they start to doubt the reality of that promise, if they want to live, perhaps they should see a doctor, because the condition to receiving healing from God simply isn't being met. Obviously, healing from God would be the best way, but living another day might be a good idea. ...besides....I venture to guess that there are a lot of other areas in each of our lives in which faith, consecration, and fruit bearing are not exactly at 100% levels. For example, it would seem to me that someone who gets angry in traffic, has at least a little more work left in him/her, before he/she is able to heal people by the passing of their shadow. ....it really is time to move on with our lives, and simply examine ourselves and the totality of our lives, one step, and one day at a time. We're either Christians, or we are not. I for one, am not going to either praise or defame anyone who either trusts God for their healing, or uses doctors. So what. It's a personal decision that is really nobodies' business except their own. | ||
| rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2781 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
Duncan, thank you for you post 182-it put so much into perspective-We see often the perils of what happens when we take one mans word for it and allow him to control your way of life. We are free in Christ and what we wear and how we phrase certain words doesn't guarantee a blessing. Do people really think they have God all figured out that way? | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 183 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
I wonder why divine healing always seems to be the flashpoint when discussing FA? If it weren't for that one subject, we would have no discussion board. No matter what we begin to talk about, it always seems to come back to that. Since I seem to be in the questioning mood, let me post another question - Can God heal a person by using another person? If we are truly Christians, we should all believe that God can do anything and that he can heal our bodies just based upon our prayer. That should be a given. On the other side of that coin is my above question. Will God heal through the talents of another person. It would still be God accomplishing his work and would still fulfill the scriptures that He heals all our diseases. Now before you start breaking out fifty scriptures that talk about healing, let me pose another question by using the following scripture. The Bible states that "God will supply all your needs according to His riches and glory." I NEED a house to shelter my family. I truly believe that if God desired, he has the power to speak a house into existence for me in the twinkling of an eye. So why would I hire a builder to come in and build one for me? I NEED food to feed my family. I truly believe that I could sit down at my empty table and God could speak the word and food would appear on my table, so why would I have to rely on my local supermarket. Finally, I NEED to have a car to get to work. If it breaks down on the way to work, I have no doubt whatsoever that God could speak the word and my car would purr like a Ferrari. Why then would I bother relying on a mechanic to fix it? After all, the Bible clearly and precisely tells me in Matthew 6:31 to not take thought about what to eat, what to drink or how I will be clothed. I can't argue with that verse. It goes on to tell me to seek the Kingdom, and these things will be added unto me. He supernaturally fed the Israelites with manna and the birds brought food for Elijah. Why not me too? I am also a child of the King! I'm being totally serious and not trying to be funny with this. I am truly wondering why people interpret the scriptures regarding healing (scan up this thread and you will see a hundred of them) as being something that God will only do supernaturally. I know that God doesn't NEED a doctor to set a broken bone for me, just as God doesn't NEED a mechanic to fix my car. However, can't God USE a doctor to fix me, the same way He would use a mechanic to fix my car? Duncan | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 75 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.105.144.135 |
love freeman with all your heart or hate Him with all your heart.. I really believe the reason some of you people fight over freeman is "you dont know anyone else but Him" (I dont have a reason to Fight over Freeman so good bye!) the info on the AMA is here to be read thats why I posted it GBU ALL michael anyone who is ever interested in Jesus and the scripture and want to talk Look me up! | ||
| duncan Intermediate Member Username: duncan Post Number: 184 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.255.224.10 |
Five, Don't take your marbles and go home. Stick around. This thread actually had some decent discussions going on (for a change). As for Freeman, I neither love him nor hate him, and I am not here to defend him nor to curse him. As a child during the peak of the FA scene, I am here to learn more about why so many were drawn to the teachings. As an adult, I now understand the deeper things of the Word of God and I am able to discern and interpret for myself. As such, when I see something that is a personal opinion verses something that is God's word, I feel obligated to question it and point it out. I hope you didn't take anything personal. Duncan | ||
| william New member Username: william Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 74.230.12.117 |
Duncan, I think the difference in the car/mechanic and the healing issue is vastly different. One is directly provided for in the atonement of Jesus Christ, the other is not. Ask yourself the question, why do we celebrate the bread and the cup in our communion services? The wine (or grape juice for those in the bible belt), should be sufficient for many, if not most, churches. We all know that the wine signifies the blood that was shed on our behalf. The propitiation of our sins is represented by the cup, the new testament, the forgiveness of sin. On the other hand, we have the bread which represents what? Paul links being weak and sickly with a lack of discernment concerning these very issues. Why should we think it is different today. If one doesn't believe that healing is in the atonement, then to what purpose is the partaking of the Lord's body, represented by the bread? I can assure you that if the healing of our cars was an atonement issue... well, I started to say that there would be a lot fewer mechanics, but as I think about it, probably not. For the record. I have never heard of anyone who didn't brush their teeth (until I read it here), bandage up wounds, and in general use common sense when dealing with faith/healing issues. There may have been those who took that position, but in the 10 years I spent at FA, I didn't run into such a one. Glasses were another issue altogether. As I've stated elsewhere, that practically became a rite of passage for attendance at FA, I'm ashamed to say. When a sick person calls for the elders of the Church it is almost always as a last resort. They serve a God of last resort. I think he should be a God of First Resort! Then, if He doesn't help, check out the other options. If healing is in the atonement, (and we are able to discern it) then I think that may be as far as we need to go. If it isn't in the atonement, then you'd better find a good ole MD for your body, in the same manner you find a mechanic for your car. But, if it is in the atonement (healing), and we still need to search for that wonderful christian doctor to heal us, then we should reconsider the Catholic position that says we also need a doctor (priest) for the blackness of our sins. The wine/blood might not be enough. William | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
Oh, ye of little faith! How can you forget Mark 11:24? There is validity in Duncan’s doctor versus mechanic analogy. We can have ANYTHING! God is so much more than just our doctor and pharmacy. He’s our Super Walmart in the sky. All we have to do is buy into the word-of-faith lie. Hobart Freeman quipped, “What I confess, I possess.” Others have dubbed, “Name it and claim it” and “Blab it and nab it”. Nice catch phrases that describe our joyous (albeit self-serving) relationship with the Lord. Once we nail down this faith formula thing, God will be at our beck-and-call. It’s too bad Freeman died from it before he figured it out. Michael sees the ancient doctor oath to false deities issue. Then doesn’t it follow that Christians shouldn’t partake with major corporations that invest in pornography? That’s right! Look it up! The pimps and prostitutes aren’t bringing home the thirty billion a year in profits. It’s companies like General Motors and Exxon. However, as of yet my heavenly request for a car made by God with bottomless gas tank hasn’t arrived. P.S. I most certainly believe God answers prayer, just not this way. | ||
| william New member Username: william Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 74.230.14.33 |
passing_thru, So, am I to understand that you deny that healing is in the atonement of Jesus Christ? William | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 85 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
William, Just so I know a little more about you, how long has it been since you’ve gone to a doctor or dentist? Passin_thru | ||
| william New member Username: william Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 74.230.14.33 |
Well, it was a simple yes or no I was looking for, but since you asked nicely... 1974 or 5, if memory serves me correctly. William | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 288 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
You know something folks...let me say this if I may. We do not need the false prophet's AMA garbage to prove that doctors are not the way to go when it comes to healing. We don't even need Hobart Freeman's teachings either. Let's erase both of them from our memory ok? What do you have left? The word of God which says that God alone is our doctor. He said "I am the Lord the healeth thee." He did not say, "I am the Lord that healeth thee if the doctors don't work out." He didn't say, "I am the Lord that healeth thee as the second choice of your healing." Since God wants to be first and foremost in all of our lives, no matter what, guess where He wants to be concerning the healing of our bodies? And yes Pass thru - what I confess, I possess really does work. It started with your salvation. Remember Romans 10:9-10? I think we better stop thinking about the faith way as a bunch of formulas. We have reduced it down to a bunch of formulas and that's where we have missed it. How about meeting the conditions, instead of acting out some kind of formula? After all, there are conditions to all of the promises of God. Remember again Romans 10:9-10? Your salvation is conditional. Well so is receiving from God. You meet the conditions he set out in His word, and God is faithful to fulfill His word, in His time and in His way. And pass thru, about your car with the endless gas tank, that would be nice. But God wants you to trust Him for the gas (and the car.) One final unrelated topic: I have to praise the Lord for one thing: That the Lord has ridden us of the self appointed "prophet". He won't be missed. | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 86 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
William: Boy! I gotta stop askin’ that question. I keep runnin’ into ultra-loyalists like my two diehard Freeman relatives. Of course, my other two Freeman relatives already died. You must have awful strong dental enamel like my daughter. She has never had a cavity in her twenty-four years. However, I have more metal than teeth. One of these days, I’m gonna set off the airport detectors. Anyway, I’ll answer your question. I do not believe physical healing is guaranteed in this present physical world, per Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. Many of the Bible verses to which word-of-faith clings, have more to do with spiritual healing (i.e. Isaiah 53:4-5). Other verses, like Mark 11:24, are for the glory of God, not our selfish whims. In addition to this, I look at the fruits of word-of-faith. I see a lot of carnality and grief. I see the likes of Copeland and Hinn made rich through the offerings of others. I see them teaching unsound doctrine. Per Hobart Freeman and his disdain for doctors, the harm was even much greater. People actively suffered and died, mostly children. However, I most certainly believe God heals. My daughter was born in a hospital under extremely miraculous conditions. So much so, when I emailed Joe Brenneman about it, years ago, he wanted to put my email on the Faith Assembly website. I declined the offer. That’s right! I’ve emailed Joe Brenneman. He was most understanding and nonjudgmental. And, I wasn’t very nice to him at first. I emailed him to see if he knew someway to reach my relatives. But, nothing has ever helped. They want to remain in their own little world. They aren’t like anyone here in FACTnet. They would never talk to any of us. They are too good for anyone, even other overcomers. Still, I love them and hope. passin_thru | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 289 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Pass-thru. I understand where you are coming from and share your concerns. I have to disagree with you on the healing in the atonement issue however. Is. 53:5 is a typical interpretation that we all hear - spiritual sickness. That's "man-ology" (oops sorry a bad word.) Anyway, seriously though...in the Hebrew, it says that Jesus carried our sicknesses and carried our pains. To say from that that it is only spiritual is adding to the scriptures. The problem with the word-faith theology is that they do not advocate that you will ever have any pains, worries, trials and tribulation. But we both know that trials, persecution and so forth are the way for a believer. And they don't teach that. They teach a get rick quick type of message. But the Bible teaches to trust God for our daily needs. Need I quote Matthew 5 again...take no thought..... I will agree with you that there is a lot of carnality with word-faith theology...and a lot of error. You can see the fruits of it for yourself. I guess it was one big reason why Freeman parted company with it. And you know pass_thru...it's too bad that some "overcomers" got into spiritual pride and won't associate with normal Christians. I don't think that is overcoming to me. I don't know if they were taking Freeman's teachings to the extreme or not. I can't answer that. It's just too bad that a lot of Christians misunderstand what overcoming really is. Like I said in Cultbusters...overcoming is being victorious is every area of life. Anyway...I hope that you can understand where I am coming from as well. God bless Mark | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 76 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.163 |
Just A Good Ole BOY not meanin to DOOO ANY HARM Look At All The Beer We Got? Group: alt.comedy.slapstick.3-stooges Moe to Curly: Tell me your name so I can tell your mother. Curly: My mother knows my name. x-no-archive: yes news:Da_m8.371164$pN4.24539935@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews. com... "If we're discovered, we're lost!" "You're crazy... ... Mar 26 2002 by Mark S. Scaliotti - 4 messages - 4 authors If your bartender is Moe Howard... Group: alt.comedy.slapstick.3-stooges Roses are red Violets are blue Drink four of these And woo woo woo woo! -- Mark S. Scaliotti Graduate of Stoogology Graduated with the highest temperature in class How about a Western Surprise? How's about an Ickymay? ... Apr 18 2002 by Mark S. Scaliotti - 13 messages - 10 authors | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.174.92.162 |
Freeman use to say dont let anyone question your Sincerity (And woo woo woo woo! -- Mark ) (no wonder MARK was removed as ADMIN at faith assemblys online church!) He would not repent!!!!! (And woo woo woo woo! -- Mark ) look in the mirror MARK! it came true!(prophesy) !! you are not any longer ADMIN and have dryed up.... and still you wont REPENT your self righteous answer is to call the pastor a liar!!!! (And woo woo woo woo! -- Mark ) | ||
| hombre Intermediate Member Username: hombre Post Number: 277 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.254.77.23 |
What do you do with 3 John 2: Beloved, I wish ABOVE ALL THINGS that you mayest PROSPER and BE IN HEALTH, EVEN AS YOUR SOUL PROSPERETH. That seems to make it abundantly clear that Gods' will for us is to prosper and be in health, in the same way that we prosper and be in health spiritually. It says to me that the physical condition is subject to the spiritual condition, and that God wants us to be perfectly whole and blessed spiritually and physically. John is merely restating the doctrine of sowing and reaping in his own way, as he continues on by noting that he rejoiced when he learned that they were walking in truth, which is tied to the previous verse. Now, we can either assume that these are verses of Johns that were meant only for a select few, and not us, or we can assume that, according to 2 Tim. 3: 16, that it is scripture given by the inspiration of God, to us, and for us. But I'm not telling anyone here, anything they haven't heard before. You can choose to either take it at face value, as a little child, or you can find ways to explain to others that it doesn't mean what it says. Concerning Mark 11: 24, I take issue with your statement that 'whatsoever things YOU DESIRE' does not include things that I desire. It most certainly does. Moreover, God has blessed me abundantly with things that I desire, for no other reason than that it pleases Him to do so, though I am totally unworthy in myself, outside of the blood of Jesus Christ. People who like to take this pious approach to Gods willingness to bless us as though He is far too busy or important to care about our trivialities, would rob us of what Christ died to give us. They like to explain to us that God only moves mountains or creates miracles as He sovereignly wills, so that basically, prayer becomes a roulette wheel of chance for us; however, that is in direct conflict with the entirety of Christs' teaching on faith as well as the rest of scripture. If the proponents of this brand of unbelief would tell me please, what purpose was served by God in withering the fruitless fig tree, other than Jesus' retribution towards a fig tree that denied Him His personal desire to eat a fig?......I'll take it a step further. One might say that Christ was demonstrating the parable of 'the good tree, which bears fruit, and the corrupt tree which brings forth evil fruit ' ( Matt. 7 : 16-23 ) in the realm of reality, to bring that lesson across, in a unmistakable way. Make no mistake about it, FAITH is a fruit ( Gal 5:22 ), and it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without it ( Heb. 11: 6 ). Now, I'll finish the rest of that verse. ' ....for he that cometh to God MUST BELIEVE: 1.) THAT HE IS, and 2. ) THAT HE IS A REWARDER OF THEM THAT DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM .' I don't find an aloof, uncaring, capricious God in the One who took on human form, submitted Himself to horrendous torture and died for us in Jesus Christ. I find a loving heavenly Father who wants the best for His children, and wants to give them not only their needs but also their desires. Do I need to reference Psalm 37: 4, among others, to make this point stick? | ||
| hardbones New member Username: hardbones Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 65.93.151.2 |
Well 5fold I don't know why you are going after Mark the way you are but it is almost embarrassing. Over the years people have come to me with a word from the Lord and it is always apreciated when they simply leave it with me. Sometimes it is the Lord and sometimes it isn't. Leaving it with me gives me time to sort it out and deal with it if necessary. I don't see anywhere in the word where a man of God has to keep after someone he has no spiritual responsibility for to obey the word he brought. Plus your attitude really leaves something to be desired. All I know about this situation is what I have read here but from what I have read it doesn't even look all that serious. | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 290 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
Thank you hardbones. I appreciate the fact that somebody is on my side (besides the Lord, of course.) Fivefold is a self proclaimed prophet of God. He fails the tests of a New Testament prophet handsdown. This kind of nonsense has been going on for four years now. And no matter what...he will not stop. You should here him in his chat room. He doesn't realize that what happened before is now under the blood of Jesus. Why? Because he says that having sins under the blood is not found in scripture. Little does he know about the meaning of atonement - to cover (Hebrew). Secondly, it is none of his business as well. I often wonder who made him to be my lord anyway? He supposedly "studied" under Hobart Freeman. I guess Fivefold was not in attendance when he taught on true and false prophets.  Be that as it may...the tests of a true prophet prove Fivefold to be an imposter and unloving, even though I tried to reconcile with him. It is best that we leave him in his sinful ways and self deceptions and let the rest of us live our lives for the glory of God. Isn't it interesting that Fivefold would like all of us to bow our knees and repent to him. Isn't it funny that he wants me to repent in public in a public forum when the only repentance needed is privately before God. It sounds like the prophet does not know his Bible. Well, that kind of attitude is wrong in the first place. If I were to use the laws of the land to my advantage, I could press charges against him for lies and slander. But since I am a Christian and live in another kingdom under another set of laws, I will let it go because I would rather obey the commandments of the Lord than the commandments of men. Thanks again and God bless (Message edited by mark1124 on April 14, 2007) | ||
| mark1124 Intermediate Member Username: mark1124 Post Number: 291 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.243.21.111 |
And to Duncan, I read your posts about me apologizing first. I did and he didn't. I tried to reconcile with him twice and he is still bound by his deceptions. Michael...go study the word atonement in Hebrew. It means to cover (among other things). I looked it up myself. Freeman taught that in his Biblical Theology class. I can prove it. I listened to the tape the other night. I guess you must have been out sick or playing hookey from class that day. So not only is Michael a false prophet but he is a false teacher too. That settles it for me. Shalom (Message edited by mark1124 on April 14, 2007) | ||
| passin_thru Member Username: passin_thru Post Number: 87 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 12.214.100.32 |
Hombre (et. al.), I know you see it so clear and have it all thought out. However, like I posted above, the Lord has also worked miracles in my lowly life. He’s always been faithful to me, even when I haven’t been faithful to Him, and He’s never asked me to put anyone’s life in jeopardy by withholding medical care. Heck, I know people in wheelchairs who can run circles around me as far as living their life for Jesus Christ. I’ll never tell them, “If you had faith, you’d be healed!” I’ve committed my fair share of sins. Yet, I don’t want to be guilty of that one. I’ve had my say for a while. Like I’ve said before, I can only think of this stuff so long before I need a break. I’ll sign-off for now with what I’ve posted seven times before in this thread. As of yet, no one has addressed it: Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23) | ||
| fivefoldprophet Member Username: fivefoldprophet Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2004 |
