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     40days40years Senior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 2124 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.190.98.220 |
Look if lightning was going to strike it would have hit me by now, trust me. Do not be afraid, make up a phony name and post away. If you want you can defend the great EN termite heap. We will be gentle I hope. | ||
| 40days40years Senior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 2125 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.190.98.220 |
Welcome! | ||
| vanguard Member Username: vanguard Post Number: 82 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 202.8.237.136 |
http://policygovernancetalk.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-policy-talk.html I guess they are starting to post at multiply regarding Policy Governance. Policy Governance guru of EN? hmmmnnn. Check out this site. | ||
| lc_20 Advanced Member Username: lc_20 Post Number: 779 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.15 |
What happened to the New Apostolic Reformation from God where we don't lead by committe but by relationship. God must have changed his mind in the last few years(again). | ||
| jia Junior Member Username: jia Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 80.109.163.152 |
LOL. the "Policy Gouvernement" thing is not new. they told me this already last year. the question still is: who developes the policies??? the other quesitons is: how can people who lead authoritative and who have a dominionistic/ NAR worldview (its about their values - officially the always denied their NOLR/ NAR inheritage) really change their style of leadership? i mean - only because you call a VW beatle "BMW" its doesnt mean the beatle is another car... i am sceptical! | ||
| vanguard Member Username: vanguard Post Number: 83 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 202.8.237.136 |
I agree. i am sceptical too. Posting it in multiply.com making it look like it's a new development towards progress or "appearing" to act like they are really doing something about it but evidently it is purely "LIP SERVICE" again and again and again. They really think filipinos are "stupid." | ||
| lc_20 Advanced Member Username: lc_20 Post Number: 780 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.74 |
They think all Gods sheep are stupid. They confuse trusting spiritual authority with lack of intelligence. What they don't realize is that they get away with this stuff not because they are smarter but because they are abusing the spiritual position they are in. They will be held accountable in the end. (Message edited by lc_20 on April 01, 2007) | ||
| jcr4runner Member Username: jcr4runner Post Number: 69 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.165.137.163 |
Hey 40, I saw your attempt to get a multitude of EN members to join your forum and start biting their brothers' and sisters' backs. Why do you suppose so few have taken you up on it? If there are literally hundreds and hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been injured by EN, then why aren't more speaking out? There are only the handful of people on this board who seem to make a religion out of their past experiences. Could it be that there isn't a problem for the majority of EN's members who are well-adjusted adults who know that if there is a conflict of personalities they can either confront in a loving spirit or leave their churches without making a scandal out of it? Could it be that they believe in biblical models of confrontation and think that airing their dirty laundry under an assumed name on the Internet is unbiblical? Of course, me pointing out the truth doesn't mean that there were/are not serious problems with Maranatha/MS/EN. It's just that I know that I'll check back here in a year and it will be the same group of people ruminating over their "ex-cult" cult experience. What does that tell you? Who is the real cult here? Think about it seriously. Really ... think about it. - Jay | ||
| 40days40years Senior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 2179 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.193.211.217 |
Your a lawyer and say stuff like this: Of course, me pointing out the truth doesn't mean that there were/are not serious problems with Maranatha/MS/EN. 40/40 speaking to my junior partner of the law firm: Your the EN rep?? Your fired. Welcome jr.4runner You know I honestly think some would like to post but are afraid. You know I think it would be healing for me to see you wash a Fuller foot. | ||
| 40days40years Senior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 2180 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.193.211.217 |
Oh and one more thing Jon were winning and on the Lords side. Watch and see ;0 - ;) | ||
| ginger1 Senior Member Username: ginger1 Post Number: 1948 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.36.217.192 |
JC you do not need hundreds and thousands of people who were injured to post on factnet. Those EN churches that left probably almost a hundred of them said it loud and clear. That right there is already thousands of them. | ||
| 40days40years Senior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 2212 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.192.158.58 |
jcr4runner when you said: There are only the handful of people on this board who seem to make a religion out of their past experiences. 40days: You archived Bob and Roses old articles at your Forerunner site so your statement is a little rich coming from you but I will say that Bob and Rose made an excellent choice in putting faith in you. Jay you put mulitiple posts up here mentioning Erik Holmberg. You had ties to him and even worked on media projects with him and until recently he was involved with EN and their media department I believe. Because you mentioned him and I forgot your posting name (since you have been gone for so long) I mistook you for a guy named Jon who use to come here and post about taking Eric Holmberg (I think) to the airport over and over for whatever reason I do not know. By the way I might have got a little testy with you since you implied I endorsed homosexuality and that this is a cult. You must agree that they seem to have very little control over what I post in fact I have rebuked far more ex leaders here then I ever did back in MCM. The question for you Jay is why did you not change the name of the Forerunner site since you know that EN is filled with people who are embarassed by Maranatha and want to avoid the subject. Your actions guaranteed that you would be kept at arms length since your site is chock full of Bob and Rose Weiner articles. Eric Holmberg use to be a major media guy in EN and you did multiple projects with him so I do consider you part of the family. Erik created the rock and roll seminar right? I put up many hundreds of posters for that thing by the way. Have you ever wondered Jay why this place rocks more then your message board? You show us articles from MCM but I get the answer for my questions "WHY" at this place. And those answers are completely relevant in explaining the dynamics of EN. Just to let you know the thing that has driven this board in the past and will in the future is a desire for answers that you would not allow to be asked on your site and people here that have those answers? you most likely would not allow to post at your site anyway. Also more fuel for this place is an easy forum for folks to vent their hurts. Phil Bonasso seems to be like high energy fuel by the way. The intensity here is a little less then it use to be because people got to vent and many people have had their questions answered and moved on, something that could not have taken place at the www.forerunner.com (That is what you wanted right? how about a healthy thank you 40/40 for showing MCM=EN squared   ). EN needs to be reformed or exposed or whatever and this is the vehicle the Lord has chosen. If their prophets won't do it then we will  . Don't you think that this little place may have had some part in setting folks free and exposing the extravagant lifestyles and controlling practices of some of the servants you hold in high esteem? God Bless and if you do ever come into power and implement theonomy? Please don't execute me, thanks. | ||
| 40days40years Senior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 2213 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.192.158.58 |
One more question Jay/jcr4runner ? Most of the articles at your site? Those policies and procedures and philosophies have been implemented in Maranatha in the past and in EN today on Christian saints. Why promote this stuff if it does not work? it is like communism you yourself said there are major serious problems right? You typed it with your own hands. Be an agent of reform Jay step up to the plate. | ||
| jcr4runner New member Username: jcr4runner Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.165.137.163 |
It's been a while since I've been here. I've been busy. I really don't understand the questions about The Forerunner. I think there are some presuppositions here that are unfounded. I'll try to answer all the questions as I understand them. If I miss anything, let me know. I have three months off from work this summer and I'll get to it. I came to The Forerunner in June or July (?) of 1989 and then Maranatha dissolved in late 1989. I continued on writing and publishing because I believed that is what God called me to do. I continued the publication until January 1994 with Bob and Rose Weiner. At that point, I had already moved to Melbourne, Florida to be involved with pro-life activism there. I also felt God calling me to do work for a time exclusively with foreign missions. I kept the name THE FORERUNNER as a way to raise support for the Russian language "Forerunner" (Predvestnik) in Kiev, Ukraine and a variety of other projects. I used the name THE FORERUNNER because I like the name. The name recognition helped me keep something going -- which was easier than starting from scratch. To think of it -- I was named after St. John the Baptist by my mother because I was born on his feast day (June 24th). My real name is John Christopher Rogers. You might say I have this John the Baptist complex and that's why I've come to Factnet -- to have my head chopped off. And so the name fits. It's the Forerunner. I didn't write anything on the "policies" of Maranatha in The Forerunner. I came as the associate editor in 1989 and was not an elder capable of making policy for the organization. As far as what is on the website. I have most of the articles from The Forerunner from 1987 to 1994, but the vast majority of articles are not technically "Forerunner" articles at all. They never appeared in the newspaper. If you see something negative in the ideology or theology, I invite you to criticize specifics. I've taken things down before that I realized were wrong. Let's discuss it. As Hilary would say, "Let's have a DIALOGUE." But ironically, after the encounter with Factnet last year, I decided to embrace the name even more and now I've scrapped "Media House International" (my corporation) as a name on the site. The whole thing is The Forerunner. So deal with it suckers! Ha! Ha!  | ||
| jcr4runner New member Username: jcr4runner Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.165.137.163 |
There were people who were part of the post-Maranatha split who gave me a chance to prove myself even when things were tenuous and prone to disaster. Joe Smith was initially against me continuing The Forerunner, but then he saw that I really believed that God was leading me, so he softened. By the power of the Holy Spirit I did almost everything I set out to do and also some things I never expected in my wildest dreams. We started only the second and for a time the largest evangelical publication in the former Soviet Union, for instance. We published some exclusive interviews with former communist politicians and confronted government policies on religion, economics and policy as they were being formed. Who could have imagined that in 1985 when I got saved? And I am still plugging away to fulfill the vision God gave me today! This summer, I will be in Ukraine for three weeks at a Baptist summer camp conducting seminars for teachers who teach Chrisitan ethics in the public schools. I am told by my hosts that some schools in Ukraine require Christian ethics and the Bible to be taught in the schools and 80 percent of the teachers of these classes are not even Christians! Oh and by the way, I invite people here to go to my website and donate to this vital mission. (Riiiiiggghhhht!!!! That'll happen!!!) So that is me, as Oliver Cromwell said, "warts and all." I am not offended when people impugn me as part of a vast right-wing dominionist conspiracy. I am more amused than anything else. But I wanted to put my two cents in here so that future historians would see that I defended my name against unwarranted "cult" accusations. Let it be recorded for the sake of history. If I am a cult, then these Factnetters are ten times over. Just read this board for a while and see. Whether future historians will give even a rip about all this is their ordeal. | ||
| dazzla New member Username: dazzla Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 199.40.204.246 |
Has anyone checked the link recently... Interesting question posed by a church member... no response so far to this or any question ... more of a log than a blog. This question hits one of the roots of EN .. Trying to justify the pay of a Church leader by connecting the skill requirement to that of an NGO leader. Anyone have an updated Job Description for an Apostle ? Anyone know which Headhunter acts on behalf of EN ? } ________________________________________________ Hi Sir, i don't think you'll know me but i chanced upon your blog through Ps JOey's site. I just found the comments very interesting. Interesting only because the Singapore government has had a debate about the salaries of the ministers, the public complaining about ministers are paid too much and should be reduced, to which, one of our minister mentor replied something to the effect of: "what they need is a dose of incompetent ministers".. its "saving $20million but jeopardising a $210billion economy" (see http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/268475/1/.html) Anyway, it'd be awesome to be able to gain a biblical perspective on this for those serving in non-profit orgs, whether in Church or in govt. Thank u for blogging! ------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________ | ||
| matt_hatter Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 67 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.214.93.12 |
Jay, are you the dude who keeps sending us those letter style Christmas cards? You know, the ones that brag about the perfect daughter's deb balls and the son's incredible ACT score? And your beautiful wife's perfect teeth? Just askin... I could actually care less about cutting your head off or anything else about you. The continued "resume" of your Christian activities just confirm you are still entrenched in Maranatha mentality. | ||
| robert_unknown New member Username: robert_unknown Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 80.109.163.152 |
Oh and by the way, I invite people here to go to my website and donate to this vital mission. if you are soooo succesfull, why dont you pay your bills yourselve? | ||
| dust New member Username: dust Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 68.52.214.120 |
Jcrunner uses the "I" word over 30 times in talking about himself and his accomplishments. This I'itis is like a disease or an addiction. You believe you can never DO enough, that GOD needs your every waking second, AKA, "activity virus" of NEEDING to influence, NEEDING to motivate, NEEDING TO CHANGE and it's really all about YOU and not about God. Always having to prove how valuable you are.. J, you are in bondage to the same stuff I was in bondage to. It's so much better to finally see what genuine love means and to feel VALUE without paying for it, because Christ already paid for it. | ||
| matt_hatter Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 72 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.214.93.12 |
Once again, well said, without the Hatter's sarcasm. I take a day off to rest and see what happens? Darn it all to heck. (See, I even cleaned up my language for the EN threads.)  | ||
| dust New member Username: dust Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 68.52.214.120 |
I actually got a lot this ministered to me by a certain EN pastor here..... He puts it this way....leave your EN church and go to another church and just shut up and be quiet and learn about God's truth...instead of having what he calls, "the activity virus"....this thing that makes us want to be so driven to influence, motivate and change the world, and take no time to realize God's truth from man's truth, and the spirit behind the deception. This is what happened when MCM broke up. Those guys didn't take any time to SHUT UP and GET QUIET WITH GOD. They just took the same poisoned water and put it in a nicer looking bottle and distributed to the mass market. | ||
| ginger1 New member Username: ginger1 Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.36.208.5 |
leave your EN church and go to another church and just shut up and be quiet and learn about God's truth.. Justyn M said that. | ||
| dust New member Username: dust Post Number: 23 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 68.52.214.120 |
He did? That's not the pastor I was referring to. | ||
| ginger1 New member Username: ginger1 Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.36.208.5 |
Well, we had a big debate about that. Because its NOT BIBLICAL. The bible actually points the opposite. Read the book of Galatians. Paul CONFRONTED PETER and Make sure that the whole worold KNOWS what Peter did. Paul even wrote a letter to the Galatians. Paul EXPOSED Peter of his legalism. So its not biblical to just shut up and be quiet and learn about God's truth. What we learn is that IT IS GOD'S Truth to SPEAK OUT and EXPOSED them. | ||
| dust New member Username: dust Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 68.52.214.120 |
No, Ginger we're in a total disconnect here. We are not talking about the same thing. I am referring to people leaving EN, but taking the same beliefs and/or fervor to go preach and often just multiplying the same things. I'm referring to people that leave because too often they just thought it was the application and not the spirit behind the ministry. So they are out there in other new ministries going 100 miles an hour, taking no time to stop and get a perspective on every thing they learned. This has NOTHING to do with being quiet about the truth. You can't speak out about the truth until you get a chance to learn what it is. There is a time to shut out all of man's teachings and hear from God, sort things out, get healed before jumping into any new ministry position. I'll speak for myself. I knew things were very wrong when I left, but I had no idea how wrong and it has taken me some time to even undo what I learned and get a balance. When I first walked out the doors of EN, I wasn't in any good position to be out espousing a cause, a ministry, etc. I was still finding out the truth myself. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Junior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 42 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
I'm curious as to how your "Baptist host" define "christian". Based on the latest data I can find, well over 50% of the people of the Ukraine self-identify themselves as "Christians". Only 38% identify themselves religious as "none". I find it difficult to believe that the school teachers would be so radically different than the rest of the country. | ||
| ginger1 New member Username: ginger1 Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.36.208.5 |
dust , Ok I understand now, Sort of like what happened to Ulyankee's former church. Though they left EN, they are still teaching the junk what EN taught them. They did not learn anything from this. | ||
| 40days40years New member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.54.154.152 |
Jay actually I thought your corporate name "Media House International" was an honest name, kind of bland and boring. I mean Bob and Rose did choose a good name in the use of the Forerunner. It's just the material produced did not match the name. You call a rocket or a race car or a crazy John the Baptist eating locust a ForeRunner not the writings of Bob. I guess they could be the forerunner of Mr. Sandman with his magic sleep dust. By the way I believe JRJ use to be the main producer of the television show called the Forerunner so you both are media guys connected by an MCM mission. Yeah I do find it ironic that Christian ethics can be taught in the former Soviet Union but is verboten in the good o'l USA. Shameful. I do not believe in the Gary North wing nut vision of Christian reconstructionism. I believe in the more benign views of Jerry Falwell who just wanted Christians to get involved like any conscientious member of society fighting to protect themselves from discrimination. RIP Jerry, that guy was presented as a dufus by the media but when I heard him speak I realized it was all media lies. Falwell kicked you know what and he was very smart, we all owe him a debt of gratitude. | ||
| anti_fascist New member Username: anti_fascist Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 80.119.65.102 |
Falwell is stewing in HELL! I hope they turn up the temperature, as hopefully he will be joined in the future by Dobson. | ||
| matt_hatter Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 79 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.226.180.4 |
You are a disgusting person. No matter what I think of certain people, I realize that Falwell has a family who is grieving, because he is now dead. You must have had no raising. You sound like some kind of bloodthirsty, evil barbarian. Get lost, you bring nothing to this board but crapola. | ||
| osakadan New member Username: osakadan Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 58.188.239.42 |
Yeah I do find it ironic that Christian ethics can be taught in the former Soviet Union but is verboten in the good o'l USA. Shameful. Yeah, right. Ethics are the preserve of christians. | ||
| lablady2 New member Username: lablady2 Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.219.171.224 |
Dear God, deliver me from this board. But in the mean time.... AF - If you ever had any credibility here, I think you just lost it. You may not believe in God, you may not be a Christian, but simple human decency should move you toward compassion for this man's family and friends. Just because he didn't believe the way YOU believe doesn't mean his life wasn't meaningful and important. Isn't that the basis of most of your posts? Other ideas and points of view are valid? Your post makes me think you're just another EN/MCM type to the 180. | ||
| speakword2004 New member Username: speakword2004 Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 198.54.202.250 |
AF With this morning's further tragic news on the destruction of Zimbabwe, my thoughts went back to the whole ideologue around separation of church and state (which I support btw.) Here we have a cruel dictator (has always been a bitter man) who for whatever reasons sees himself as the spiritual father of his homeland. Perhaps being the leader of the fruits of the 2nd chimurenga made him start to believe he has a godlike sanction to whatever so pleases to do and say and this may have affected his logic and his brillinat mind-I don't know. I thought perhaps, and maybe, if the Catholic churches bishops are scorned and ridiculed by him they should perhaps excommunicate him. Not that it would preclude him from heaven, mind you. The only way to that is via the agency of Jesus Christ as far as I can understand it from the textbook and if Jesus was to have made a way into heaven for Robert Gabriel Mugabe then who would I be to judge. I could not. In the same way, many televangelists and fat bigots like Falwell would not pass my standards of entry to paradise. Fortunately, I am not burdened with that decision and neither is humankind. The way I see it the entrance to heaven is not determined on some scale, but by our Creator and Saviour. What I do feel open to state is that I hope Mugabe meets Falwell soon and that for their sakes it is in heaven. | ||
| 40days40years Junior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.54.98.101 |
AF has it ever occured to you that socialist ACLU types (like yourself) 50+ years a go created Jerry Falwell? Your ideological grand parents continuously slapped Christians across the face in an all out culture war and legal war and Falwell got sick of it. Falwell decided to put up a fight politically and told Christians to stop being suckers and if they did not organize politically they would be at the whim of people like yourself. Christians have the right to organize politically just like your left wing buddies do but somehow your views will end up with a crazed Mugabe or Castro type ruining everything in the name of freedom. Thanks but no thanks, like I said put down the white mans socialist Kool-Aid. | ||
| osakadan New member Username: osakadan Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 222.144.174.241 |
but somehow your views will end up with a crazed Mugabe or Castro type ruining everything in the name of freedom. Do you ever read the crap you sprout off 40? Their are plenty of countries that are socially very left but have not produced a Mugabe or Castro. | ||
| anti_fascist New member Username: anti_fascist Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 80.119.65.102 |
40, you are making a HUGE mistake by assuming that the majority of Christians are right wing. I'll concede that this is the case for most fundamentalists, but even amongst Evangelicals, the alarm bells are ringning about climate change, the dishonest and illegal war against 'terrorism' and the curtailing of US civil liberties. And BTW, NOWHERE is it stated that the ACLU is a socialist organisation, this is simply another exemple of your intellectual dishonesty, (or lack of informed opinion). Go through ACLU's archives, and you will discover that they have supported more fundamentalists in their fight for freedom of speech, than 'left wing socialists'. Get honest, or informed, if you want to post opinions. I stick to my guns: Falwell was a bigot that oposed civil rights for blacks in the USA, and when debunked turned his hate speech on to feminists, and then after Roe vs Wade debunked him, yet again, joined Dobson in targeting gays. If you can find just one example where Jesus pronounces hate speech as did Falwell over many years, then I'll reconsider my opinion that this bloated bigot is, according to my understanding of the Gospel, presently stewing in hell. I'm not judging anybody, I'm merely measuring Falwell to the standards of Scripture, for the edification of his supporters, lest they too burn in hell. (Dobson, J.D.Kennedy, Robertson, Abrahamson, North, etc) | ||
| xman3 Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 55 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 216.163.57.59 |
You're not measuring anyone according to scripture and you know it. You don't even believe scripture, so it is no better than you measuring someone compared to Alice in Wonderland anyway. Even if it were true, it shows you have no class and it doesn't belong here anyway. I'll grant you this. You said it was according to your understanding of the gospel. Since you have no understanding of the gospel, then it is a comment based on ignorance anyway, something at which you excell. | ||
| matt_hatter Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 87 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.214.93.12 |
climate change, the dishonest and illegal war against 'terrorism' and the curtailing of US civil liberties. Wow. With all our problems you would think people like you would quit sneaking into our country. The most horrible place on earth. Ha! Instead of building a wall to keep people in, we may have to build one to keep you out. But protecting our borders would probably be another act of brutal American politics to you. You have to be one of the most schizoid thinkers I have ever read on factnet. It is ok for you to wish someone to burn in hell, but don't touch any of your sacred cows. As I have said, disgusting. | ||
| robert_unknown New member Username: robert_unknown Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 80.109.163.152 |
AF said: Falwell is stewing in HELL! AF said:...according to my understanding of the Gospel, presently stewing in hell. AF, recently you said that the whole NT is a metaphor, and that you dont believe in devils and demons... AF said: Dust, it is just soooo obvious that these passages are metaphorical. In fact the ENTIRE New Testament is a metaphore. http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/30983.html?1178674988 and now you whish your enemies in hell? i have nothing against you as a person as you know, but your views are very confusing!  | ||
| dust Junior Member Username: dust Post Number: 33 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 68.52.214.120 |
The devil's job is condemnation, accuses the brethren to the brethren and the brethren to God. We all have to watch out for that distraction and division. I saw a FASCINATING interview of Larry Flint last night on the Larry King Show. I had no idea that he and Falwell (over the course of debating each other for years) were friends. Flint said "he respected Jerry Falwell, while he disagreed with everything he said, and believes Jerry was the real deal, and sincere. They showed old interviews where Jerry would say he believed one day Larry Flint would come to the Lord. Larry would laugh it off. But, they had a relationship and Falwell never lost his witness to Flint. I find this remarkable and wonderful. | ||
| coppertree New member Username: coppertree Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 172.129.80.164 |
HI All, Dust, I recall that at one time Larry Flint, did come to know the Lord with the president's sister who was an evangelist.} | ||
| speakword2004 New member Username: speakword2004 Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 196.25.255.250 |
http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/godspolitics/ See Jim Wallis' comments on Falwell. | ||
| 40days40years Junior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 38 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.190.210.52 |
Look AF if God is going to use someone to speak truth to the gay community he needs a tough guy, a cream puff won't work. Look at what happened to Anita Bryant and Dr. Laura. You have heard the sermon about God using differant forms of tools? some are delicate instruments and others are large hammers. Falwell was a sledge hammer. You should thank Falwell for exposing Desmond Tutu as a person who was just religous. Falwell was not a bigot and if he was he changed in middle age. He opposed people directly who wanted no black kids at his amusement park. He had black friends that vistited his church. He was fond of the black people who hid the car he crashed as a youth. Falwell had a bland preaching style but he excelled at debate and I saw him make his opponents look foolish. Your just mad because Falwell thinks the ANC are communist and evil and Falwell is right. Be a man and praise the Lord for Falwell AF. | ||
| 40days40years Junior Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 39 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.190.210.52 |
Not only that but I agree with Falwell and his support on our fight against terror. Islam is not a religion of peace if it was why are so many afraid of being murdered when they say like wise? Look here and here. Sure the man Falwell made mistakes and had a loud mouth but he spoke for 40 years at least and look at the evil stuff you spout off here AF and you have been here for only one? Falwell spoke the truth more times then not and he was no coward. At least with the foundation Falwell laid Gore and Kerry were not elected and we got some good supreme court justices. It is to bad the foundation he put down was wasted on Bush a man who will not even protect our southern border. So disapointed in that man. | ||
| 40days40years Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 55 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 17.184.103.245 |
AF speaking of climate change it looks you are a member of the global warming cult. Please don't outlaw cows I am going to talk to them about burping to much. Anyway it appears global warming is caused primarily by the sun and oceans. Could you please propose a law to keep them in line. I was disapointed that Clinton did not outlaw poison oak but that is another topic. | ||
| osakadan New member Username: osakadan Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 58.188.239.42 |
been toking again 40? | ||
| 40days40years Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 17.184.103.245 |
Nope just drinking diet coke at work and posting truth for your bud AF. | ||
| osakadan New member Username: osakadan Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 58.188.239.42 |
those additives will do it every time. |
