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bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 780
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 71.82.80.189
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 7:48 pm: | 
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Some of us have mentioned that we know about Christ For the Nations Institute in Dallas, TX. I am curious what others have to say about this institution? |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 329
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 208.54.95.1
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 9:57 pm: |
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Its a wonderful institution, esp. for those wanting to do missions work, or go into some kind of full-time ministry, e.g. music ministry or preaching.
It is Pentecostal/Charismatic, and it has lots of connections with Gateway Church in Ft. Worth, which is where Robert Morris is the Sr. Pastor. Marcus & Joni Lamb of Daystar go there, and so does James Robison and his wife of Life Today.
Unfortunately, I hear its in the ghetto area of Dallas, and so those that live on or near the campus of CFNI think that is the major negative. |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 822
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 65.100.181.248
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 12:41 am: |
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It is not because of its location in the ghettos. It is its theology which is wrong. It has very strong roots in Kenneth Hagin and Copeland's twisted theology. |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 330
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.198.1.109
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 1:28 am: |
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Inkorrekt: Would you care to elaborate on your reasons why you view CFNI's theology is wrong? |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 829
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 205.169.120.133
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 1:16 pm: |
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We the christians believe that we are made in the image of God. For example, people say that I look like my father. Though we may look alike, we are not the same.I am not God. I am only a man created in the image of God. However, to Hagin and Copeland, we are Gods. This is blasphemy and heresy of the highest order. |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 333
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.198.1.109
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 4:54 pm: |
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Inkorrekt: Have you not read John 10 and Ps. 82? |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 781
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 71.82.80.189
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 10:22 pm: |
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Hi inkorrekt,
I am a graduate of CFNI. There are some political issue of which I disagree. However, In my years at CFNI and in the years that followed, which I have kept a relationship, I have never heard anything relating to what you speak about.
There is not association with Hagin or Copeland.
What expirience do you have with CFNI that has brought you to your conclusion? |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 334
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.198.1.109
| | Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 12:32 am: |
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Bear: I have a question for you.
I did not know you had graduated from CFNI. What year did you graduate?
Depending on your answer, I got some other questions for you, because I personally am acquainted with a few other graduates.
Thanks. |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 783
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 71.82.80.189
| | Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 5:45 pm: |
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I graduated in 1997. However, I know several graduates from the 70's and 80's |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 336
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.198.1.109
| | Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 6:27 pm: |
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Bear: Ok. Thanks for telling me. I know some graduates who live in St. Louis from the early 1990's (I think they graduated in 1992 or 1993, but I could be wrong --- it could have been 1994 or 1995, too, but STILL --- before your time).
Their names are Rich & Stacie Fowler (although they weren't married at the time).
I do have most of the 1990s era CFNI music CDs --- including all the Keith Hulen products from "back in the day." 
And you're right that CFNI is not affiliated with Hagin or Copeland, although many who are from churches that ARE WOF DO attend.
One more question, bear. You said you had problems with "political issues." What did you mean by that? |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 785
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 71.82.80.189
| | Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 7:35 pm: |
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The way that money was handled for one. This is not a major issue with me, but I will give you an example for clarity:
When I was in my first semester, CFN had just purchased some apartment buildings next to the campus. The students were constantly encouraged to give to this project, and it was a very good project to give to.
Several families were living in the single male housing complex awaiting the completion of the project. Housing was full that year, and my wife and I were fortunate enough to get an apartment.
Mrs Lindsay gave a report one day that they had just sent $100,000.00 to a church overseas. This happened at a time when they were on the brink of losing the apartments if they did not get the needed funds to complete them. (part of the deal witht the government when the purchased the property) You need to take care of home first. It was really an ethics and priority issue which caused me to not want to give anything to the school.
That is one example of many. I am not bent out of shape over these, but it has always been frustrating to me. They have, however, in the past few years improved the buildings on campus. I hope they will soon see the need to pay their staff a good wage so that turnover is not so high.
I have kept a close relationship over the years, having some students come to our church to do internships, some for summer credit.
My point to inkorrekt was that while I may not always agree with the process of governance (I mean what institution is perfect?) that CFNI is not off the wall theologically.
I love the school, and always will. I am proud to have graduated from CFNI, and I highly recommend the school. |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 341
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.198.1.109
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 1:17 am: |
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Bear: Thanks for your comments, I appreciate your example, that is helpful, and not what I was expecting you to say.
I have noticed in their worship dept., esp. in recent years, that there has been a turnover of staff. After Keith Hulen left (he was there for a rather long time), Sandy Nemeth took over for a bit, then she turned it over for Klaus Kuehn for two years, then he left and now Brian Ming is in charge of it.
Did you know Eddie Coronado (sp?) while he was there, or was that after you had graduated??? He sings on Daystar now and at a local church in Dallas (not mine, I live in Edmond, Okla.) |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 788
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 71.82.80.189
| | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 5:30 pm: |
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No, I do not know EC at all.
Turnover has always been an issue. Those that have stayed long term have other sources of income. |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 385
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.198.1.109
| | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 5:54 pm: |
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Wow wow and wow
Thanks again Bear for all your info, its all very helpful. |