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     zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 266 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.161.102.2 |
Grace2u: Thank you for giving me my very own "place to graze." I can feel the love and concern you have with every word you write. Not only that, I can see the depth of your knowledge and wisdom in the things you write. Please continue to allow all of us to have that small window into your soul. Also, if you have any difficulty with your dreams, I am sure that Hope_faith_and_love can contribute a great deal to their understanding. My question to you is this. "Do you believe that God is (body-slamming) chastising, C and V at this present time?" Zebra | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 770 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
zebra, In your post #266 above you state: I can feel the love and concern you have with every word you write. Not only that, I can see the depth of your knowledge and wisdom in the things you write. My question to you is do you think C and V can feel the love and concern you have with every word you write and that they can see the depth of your knowledge and wisdom in the things you write? As far as letting people see who I am - this is true. I don't want to hide behind the costume of a referee making the calls on other's lives while wearing a black and white uniform. I also started this thread because I was getting tired of posting on the other thread and had learned about Zebra's grazing habits. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 774 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Well I'm using the shorter thread if no one else is. HFL, I've been thinking about your "femininity" comment and googling such with the Bible - Christian, etc. (And although I know my openness just gives Zebra more room to make fun and accuse me . . .) Quite honestly, if I was going to follow some of the descriptions I have come across - I would without a doubt be close to starving to death, have no insurance, and be more bitter than I already am which might seem impossible but I think that would be the case for sure. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 775 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
All I can say is I hope these men are being the type of man they are supposed to be if they are going to preach that women "have" to stay at home. I "hope" they are providing for their families. I "hope" that they are preaching at churches that are not starving them to death and if they are I hope they they have motivation and drive to find a way to take care of their families. I wonder what they would say to several of my friends who have husbands that are disabled and cannot work. I wonder what they would consider the "feminine" thing to do in such a case. I wonder if their churches are helping these ladies (actually I know that some try some) but they don't and probably cannot provide for their livelyhood. Oh and don't expect family to do this. None of the women I know would likely go to their family and ask for help. Some do have families that will help but not all. So do I have an issue with femininity - you bet I do. I put myself through college with scholarships, grants, and hard work. Aside from that any help (which was not really that much) that I got was based on where I lived (not my parents) and I paid severely for that mistake. I'm sorry but I do have a hard time of buying into what the Christian world calls femininity. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 776 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
OK - since I'm talking to myself  in spite of all the above is a country where a number of men fail to lead so then God has to use a Deborah etc. Yes, that frustrates the heck out of me. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 777 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
http://members.iinet.com.au/~jvd/articles/debbarak.htm | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 496 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
Grace, To be honest I am shocked by your anger and I am very uneasy about writing anything further for fear of making matters worse. The word "feminine" means "associated with women and not with men." So in regards to how this applies to Christian women in general it puts into action her spirit being transformed into what God created women to be-- the helpmate of man. In the past and even to this day, there have been some Christians who have misunderstood and even chose to abuse these teachings from the Bible, but, God has never encouraged or condoned the abuse of women. The more God teaches me and changes me, the more empowered and complete I feel as a woman called of God such as Deborah, who understood God and did not waiver from His plan but carried it out! I know that everything that was written for women in the Bible has such a deeper spiritual purpose, in which those like Deborah and her male counterparts looked to the future to happen. They walked by faith and did not question God's authority over them or how He chose to carry out his will to save man. Romans 9:30-33 tells us-- "What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written: 'See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.'" As a woman, I testify that I know that what was written was to promote the unity and bond between a husband and wife and to foster two minds and spirits thinking and feeling as one, set forth for the glory of God. It was never to teach that one should do all the thinking for the other. To remain in such an ignorant state, even as a woman, is an insult to the name of Jesus Christ. Especially when so much is understood about how to run a business or a class! There must be a head, a leader... there must be agreement in purpose to succeed. What was directed to Christian husbands and wives was to teach and encourage communication and learning on the same level and growth in Jesus Christ in order to achieve God's purpose and succeed. It is man and woman's on lack of understanding of God and His ways that is to blame for the rampant injustices of both sexes, not the word of God. There is a divine blessing and promise on our marriages when we as Christians understand God. By the same faith as those before us we will see this through. Grace, I really do care about you and I never want to hurt you. When I wrote the interpretation for your dream I felt such hope for you, I never imagined that it would make you this angry. Because I keep having to face women who have been "hurt" and it has continuously become a stumbling block for me to speak what God wants me to in order to stop what the Christian body is doing wrong in it's teaching and beliefs, will you as a friend, tell me what I should do? This is becoming a very serious problem for me and for those in ministry. We are accused of trying to appeal to the people to keep from offending anyone, but when I have obeyed God I have made people outraged because they had lost a loved one and several angry that had lost loved ones that I didn't even know about. As a Christian I must ask these people also, what would they have those God calls to speak to them do? Do we remain silent because they are a threat to us because they don't want to be healed? Where is there faith in God? They know the Bible... | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 778 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
HFL, I'm not mad at you. You indeed hit a sore spot. You are not doing anything wrong related to what you have said to me. You just probably hit the nail on the head. I totally agree with what you basically said above but this is not a perfect world. As far as your dealings with me you should just keep doing what you are doing. It is not your fault that I have an issue with this. It is not your fault that God revealed to you. If anything it is my fault for going on and on about it. If people are offended by God or the Bible so be it. It is not your fault. My issue is that I don't see things as black and white (which maybe why Zebra selected that user name). I wish everything was black and white but I have been put in a position to judge at times and that may be why I used Deborah as an example. When I am put in such a position things are not always so clearly black and white. No you do not remain silent - perhaps God wants these issues out on the table so His people will look at them reasonably. I am just tired of hearing all my life, particularly being in the Church of Christ, that women are not to do this or that and must submit to men (and it is not that I really have an issue with that either). My issue is that the Bible also says things to men and "a lot" of the time they are not following the Bible. So you end up with a backward world where like with Barak you have people not doing what they are supposed to do and you have women feeling guilty that they are having to do things that others are really supposed to do. Where is there faith in God? Probably like mine . . . they are frustrated because they know God's Word but have seen the evidence of real life experiences. The "peeling of the onion" so to speak has a purpose and that purpose is getting the issue out on the table so THEN God can begin the healing work. I think if anything the only think I could suggest to you is to just have patience. Sometimes people have to work through their anger before they then put their faith in God. They have to work through their unfinished business - get passed it and leave it behind so they can look to God. I'm mad right now - not at you - but I want to be mad. The only way I can work through my anger is recognize it. My perception may be incorrect but I cannot even work through that if I don't get it out on the table. My perception is that "often" women have been taken advantage of but still have to submit. That angers me. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 779 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Then I feel that others judge women for working when they look at things from a black and white situation and not know the other details. My husband would throw a fit if I didn't work. Some women just do not have the opportunity to make such a decision like with my friends that have disabled husbands. When preachers are posting things on the web that for women to be feminine "they have to stay at home" and they do not take into consideration stuff like this they make me angry. I'm not angry at your definition. But I am angry that women have to sit through sermons about stuff like this when "a number of men" are not really leading their families, etc. It makes me angry that women are supposed to be doing this and be in an "agreement in purpose" etc. when there is for all practical purposes no head. I'm sorry - I've seen it time and time again. Like the person I know that has the husband that is a drug addict. Sure she is supposed to be the believing spouse and be there as a witness to her husband while he steals money from her, etc. etc. Calls her ugly and fat . . . . I'm sorry what you are posting up above is what people are called to be. . . but more often than not - it is a fairy tale that just isn't going to happen for A LOT of people. Yes, I know that all the people that I know in this situation should have faith in God but still I am angry. I can't deal with the anger if I pretend it is not there. (Message edited by Grace2u on March 04, 2007) | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 780 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
I would argue that it is hard to "help" when there is no head and no purpose. (Message edited by Grace2u on March 04, 2007) | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 497 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
grace, Thank you so much for what you wrote! You will never know how much you've encouraged me to always speak what God wants me to. You are one of my dearest friends for your faithfulness to God in the midst of your own frustration of how things are with Christian men and women. Everything you are saying God is telling not only you but all believers that He is going to do something that will change all the very real problems you've pointed out and He will show us how all of this is supposed to work together-- men and women, husbands and wives. This is everything God has been speaking to me about since He first began teaching me. This is what it is all about! This is what God is going to change!!! | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 781 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Well I hope so. HFL, it's never been about you when I am angry. I am angry at the situation. I realize that in my own life that I may have a "clouded" perception of my own circumstances. I, for one, am tired of feel pushed into leading a lot. That doesn't mean that the people around me are inherently bad although I will admit that sometimes I get so upset about this that I occasionally would like to make them out as so. I have lived through one extreme to another and quite honestly, I don't have a lot of trust in anyone particularly men. I am well aware that it is God that I should trust in but I can't help feel disappointed in the status quo. I appreciate you saying that I am one of your dearest friends as I have grown quite fond of you too; however, from my perspective I don't feel that faithful. I feel willful, selfish even though it is my desire to serve God. I do know this - I'm very, very tired of the status quo and would love to see God change all of this. He will have His hands full with me - that's for sure. I'm so used to depending on myself because I don't trust others (and have difficulty trusting Him in spite of all He has done) that He is going to have to really do a work in me to bring my idol (not Carman as Zebra would suppose but more likely myself) down. | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 498 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
grace, I think for a lot of men they don't know how to lead or be the head. I think for some men they are terrified of making the wrong choice or afraid of being too strong and coming off a jerk. I don't think you have put yourself up as an idol, you're too honest about yourself and more than willing to change if God will just help you. And He will. That is what your dream was about. | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 499 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
I also think that many Christian men and women share a common frustration of trying to understand how to be the head and how to submit.... There is an earnest desire among Christians to do this and your dream was God's way of saying He is going to fulfill this desire. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 782 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
I can see this and that is why I felt like a "huge" chunk of the onion was peeled off and why I went on and on. I suppose when you peel an onion it is likely to stink. In all fairness - there are so many directions that you can come at this issue. When I was referring to Deborah I was indicating that perhaps God allowed women in the Deborah and Jael story to fill a vacancy because of several elements 1) perhaps there was not a qualified man to serve as judge or perhaps Deborah was just the most qualified; 2) men like Barak refused the duty, etc. I also recall Abigal stepping in because she (and others around her) felt that she did not have a real choice because the individual that should have done the right thing did not. It's hard to determine. I have gotten to the point myself personally - that sometimes I just don't feel that I can continue to carry "some" stress that I don't believe I was intended to carry. But who knows - did I put this stress on myself for lack of faith that others would not carry their duty out? I try to see if my own actions are what is causing me to feel this way. And I'm sure that in some ways I am contributing to the issue. And I'm not just specifically talking about my home life. I've seen men fail to lead and because they don't "sometimes" I have been put in a position where it flows down hill to me and I've had to step up when I shouldn't. (I need to say that I have seen some men who's leadership that I appreciate and I don't want anybody to take what I am saying as a man bashing thing.) Other times - I have legitimately had the duty of leading. Still the cumulative effect makes you feel that you have completely lost who God intended for you to be and you feel you are being taken advantage of by some (not all). I just have a hard time sometimes understanding where the line is between submitting and helping and being taken advantage of and when you need to draw the line and try to get those who are in the responsible position to take on their role. I know I have spent a lot of time on here and I could be resting during this time but at least here I do have the opportunity to discuss these things and try to work them out and if I didn't you could not have came back with your take on the dream. Still - the whole responsibility issue and feeling that I have either 1) had to take on "too" much that is not mine and 2) have been taken advantage of by those in "certain" positions of responsibility from one extreme to the other has plain just wore me out and almost makes me feel like throwing my hands up and saying forget it all. It does indeed depress me and I have spent many hours crying over the fact that I feel this way. Perhaps again, my vision is clouded but that doesn't change my reality and that is why I stated a while back that one could benefit by trying to change their reality. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 783 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Well this is uncanny . . . I go on and on and then I hear Albert Mohler preach about this very thing. See that's the type of thing (except it was everywhere) that went on and on last June. http://www.albertmohler.com/radio_list.php Living As Christians In A Culture Of Anger James MacDonald also had a good sermon today - also related to what happened to me in June. http://www.walkintheword.com/broadcast.aspx Grace When I Am Disappointed ( Part 2 ) See thats another ministry that I would like to support but right now I'm having to pull back anyway because of unexpected expenses. But I would if I could. Zebra, I'm not going to hold my breath but I did create this thread for you and I did ask you to get to the point and I'm still interested to your response to my last post to you. Although I have to admit that I was listening to Allison Krause today and there is a line in her song that made me think of you. You say it best . . . when you say nothing at all. Sarcasm - I thought you might like that. (Message edited by Grace2u on March 07, 2007) | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 784 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
OK - I totally messed up above. It's not Albert Mohler but I can't figure out who it who's program it was. Oh well.  | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 785 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
OK - I totally messed up above. It's not Albert Mohler but I can't figure out who it who's program it was. Oh well. | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 500 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
grace, I read this and thought about what has been written here about reality and wanted to share it with you--- "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow." Colossians 2:16-19. It is God alone who causes the body of Christ to grow, never in the power of men or women. "We do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal." (2 Corinthians 4:18). There is a spiritual and there is an unspiritual. Spiritual is where God is working; unspiritual is where a man or a woman uses the talk of angels and talk of the Sabbath and uses spiritual sound talk such as "shalom" and at Christmas time "remember the reason for the season" and so forth.... All of these things are/were but a shadow of the reality of Jesus. It has been those who came here to accuse Carman that did these things. They used their "gifts" to tell people God told them things about Carman... Yet, God has proven them wrong. Ministers they approved of and boasted of knowing and traveling in the same circles. They boasted of what God told them about Carman and swore that God had told them that I was not sent here. They boasted in what they had seen... they boasted in who they knew and who had spoken over them... This for them they maintained was how God was with them, yet the ministers/ministries they so admired and commensurated have fallen short, but they never knew, they never received one inkling from God about these men so that might "love" and "crush" them as they have done with Carman. They were unspiritual and had lost connection with the Head when they did these things-- they are disqualified or unfit and any who would listen to them would be disqualified and unfit for the prize. We were talking about how your dream has many layers to it and it is not just for you but for all believers. Your dream points out things that are wrong and your anger revealed your heart's desire for things to change and be what God calls all of us to be, therefore your dream also reveals something wonderful-- the Bride of Christ being built up in to Jesus. In the second post God had me to write that this scene was "gruesome" because of Christians trying to marry themselves to Christ but were doing it all wrong because they were picking and choosing certain parts out of the Word of God and denying the Holy Spirit and they had become "unspiritual", because they trusted in themselves to overcome. Your dream and your anger pointed out what a contradiction we as Christians are in fulfilling our roles as men and women... but, Romans 9:16-17 tells us-- "It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: 'I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.'" This is what God is doing. If you wonder why all of this is happening, it is so God can demonstrate and end the confusion so no one will be "disqualified" or made unfit by their unspiritual ignorance any longer. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 786 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Yes, I see what you are saying. I also think that it is no coincidence that I heard the sermon that zoned in so much on the issue of anger and what has been going on in our word and how this relates to the anger that many have. I wish I was not so senile so I could remember who the minister was (it was indeed a sermon). He was talking about fathers and how they have given up their responsibilities (I'm not attacking fathers or men . . . I realize that women have issues too). The minister said that now everyone is angry. Women are probably the angriest and the gang situations, etc. are the result of anger in the youth. But the MacDonald sermons were something I REALLY needed to here too. These sermons occurring at the same time just shows that God is moving in a similar fashion throughout the world if we will have ears to hear him. The strawberry shortcake with the meat relates to the body, spirit, etc. being in line. We often unintentionally (and sometimes intentionally) place our desires outside of God's will but if we can get to the underlying real desire and keep our eyes on Christ, I am learning that we will likely find the will of God for our lives and our meat and desire (dessert for me - LOL!) will be lined up. I was thinking today that those who, like myself in the past, harm another - even if the other is not perfect and they believe they are doing the right thing, have a responsibility to pay back for their wrongs. Even though God covers one's sins - when one realizes that they have made a mistake they also should try to right the wrong. I'm not sure how one does that but I know I am trying. Sometimes it is hard. I hope others will keep this in mind as they say things against Carman and others. I also hope that Zebra knows that even though I don't agree with their posts that some of what I am saying is a bit in jest because of this posters sarcastic delivery. I don't want Zebra to think I hate them. I just feel I need to say that. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 788 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
You know it sounds all good and well above but really the anger is just a mask for the root of fear that I have that God will not take care of me. But still it is good to see the anger so you can see the root I suppose. (I guess this is all a living epistle thing. Oh well. . .) | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 789 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Just another example how everything is interrelated and God is unveiling things. | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Advanced Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 501 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
grace, I love to see you sounding so strong and steadfast in God. I don't want you to think I'm deserting you if I don't respond. Last month we went out to eat to celebrate my birthday and we began talking about taking a train trip to visit my aunt who lives in Santa Barbara. I really got excited about doing this. It seems like when I plan on visiting my family for only a short visit it keeps getting extended... So, God bless and don't let zebra's stripes confuse you. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 790 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Have fun . . . you know a prophet may see things as black and white (I'm not referring to you HFL) but a judge often sees another color - red. I do not see myself as God or as a judge but I have had to make judgment decisions that have had an effect on other's life and regarding that - I know that sometimes there is mercy. Enjoy your family - I'm fine and exiting the dark night of the soul. God Bless! | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Advanced Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 502 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
grace, You keep referring to Deborah and her being a judge... Right after Sandra Day O'Connor retired, I had a dream that I was in a court house or a house of justice, it seemed to be in a state of disorder because there was paper laying all around. I also remember that everything seemed wet. I did not understand this dream until now as God reminds me of Deborah--"Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time. She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided."[Judges 4:4,5.] The symbol for justice is a woman holding scales. She is blindfolded... for one moment consider that the blindfold represents walking by faith and not by sight in order for justice... I'm not familiar with Sandra O'Connor except that she had been selected by President Ronald Reagan and there a time she was quoted by political leaders to claim America was a Christian nation. I know that the dream meant that the House of Justice was in disorder and now I understand that the reason everything was wet was because it was being "washed".... God is doing something with women who belong to Him. Women who are led by His Spirit. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 795 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
for one moment consider that the blindfold represents walking by faith and not by sight in order for justice... Wow - I never noticed that. I'm going to look into that more. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie New member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.89.15.220 |
I had a dream where I was skipping through a meadow gate, the gate had a flahing neon sign that stated "Your Career". I looked down and saw that I was holding a basket with a little sign on it that said "Options".. Excitedly, I peered into the basket but it had a huge hole in it. I woke up sweating but soon dosed off to the peaceful strains of Perry Como... soon I was dreaming again. This time I was huddled over a computer, typing excitedly. Carman joins me and we work the keyboard like a pair of kids playing Chopsticks on a piano or like Rod Parsley working an early service. I turn to Carman and ask him if he is, in fact "The Champion". He says, "let's see what you think" and unleashes a series of vicious blows to my midsection and kidney, with a ferocity that one would normally reserve for someone who argues with Called. Then I woke up and when I came to... hope_faith_and_love was there, and grace2u was there and Albert Mohler and Wingsaglow.. all of you, you were all there. And I just kept saying, "there's no place like Factnet", "there's no place like Factnet"... and clicking my imitation OJ Simpson "I Done It" model Bruno Magli heels together. | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Advanced Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 509 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 81.169.141.185 |
sgng.... Why do you make me think of a zebra wearing a hula skirt... aloha!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| julia Intermediate Member Username: julia Post Number: 234 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 59.101.204.115 |
Ha ha ha ha, did you feel the bruises on your midsection and kidneys when you woke? Them kidney rips hurt! | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 808 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
I had a moment of inspiration where I was flourishing in a broad meadow, and the only gate around was in my heart but then The Word came to me with the key to the gate and on the key was inscribed your "new name" and "your life story with your new reality". I looked toward heaven (not down) and saw that the Son shining down on me as He also radiated in my heart. In the sky the clouds made up a phrase that said "I Am that I Am (referring to the Lord God) and I am really your only option. Stick with me and I will always provide for your needs and you will rule and reign with me!" Excitedly, I bloomed where I was planted and stood up toward that word and found a buried treasure. This sleeper woke up excited and gave up everything to buy the broadmeadow in which I had been planted and was now blooming for this Kingdom of Heaven. Handel rose from the grave and I heard a beautiful chorus sing "OH! HAD I JUBAL'S LYRE!" So I quickly lifted my leaves and huddled over a computer, typing excitedly. Carman joins me and we work the keyboard like a pair of kids playing Chopsticks on a piano trying to wake up the dwarfs who have crossed over into a new dimension (as in C.S. Lewis) and found that they were blind. After all, the dwarfs are for the dwarfs! I turn to Carman and ask him if he is, in fact "The Champion". He says, "let's see what the dwarfs think" and he unleashes a series of altar calls to the dwarfs, with a ferocity that one would normally reserve for someone who argues with Called. But the dwarfs did not wake up and hope_faith_and_love who had been there, and Albert Mohler and Wingsaglow, and myself .. all of us, who had all been there walked away into a new dimension - sad because the dwarfs would not wake up but looking forward to going farther in and farther up! And I just kept saying, "there's no place like the Kingdom of Heaven", "there's no place like the Kingdom of Heaven"... and clicking my real royal princess shoe (after all I am a real princess as the daughter of the King) heels together I began to eat at the Tree of Life. (Message edited by Grace2u on March 25, 2007) | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Advanced Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 513 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.207.189.16 |
This is from the Lord and is His doing; it is marvelous in our eyes. This is the day which the Lord has brought about; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Save now, we beseech You, O Lord; send now prosperity, O Lord, we beseech You, and give to us success!" Psalm 118:23-25(AMP) This is what God says His plans are for Carman-- He will use Carman to bring forth a spiritual renewal; that Carman must go after His sons because forceful men are needed to advance the kingdom of heaven because the sons of Cyrene were set apart to help Jesus advance the kingdom of heaven; God will use Carman because it is time that every spot and blimish of the Bride of Christ be washed clean. Many have tried to stop this day but by His Spirit His plans will be carried out. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 5045 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.53.143.128 |
What you just wrote hfl makes me and the rest of the Christian Church want to puke! Man worshipper to the extreme you are. You give ample support to those who believe that Carman and his idol worshipping fans are a cult. You don't know what God's will is for Carman anymore than the man in the moon does. | ||
| alexisd New member Username: alexisd Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.101.214.126 |
lol..this is funny | ||
| mcmstaff78 Advanced Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 932 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.224.82.48 |
HFL - heard that same garbage 25 years ago. People believing they had the same "spirit of prophecy" that you apparently believe. It may be the same spirit...did God happen to give you a time line on that "word"? Anyway it can be judged? Nah, didn't think so. |
