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     cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY Everyone!! Today, February 26th is the ONE-YEAR Anniversary of this Truth-spreading FactNet thread. It was exactly one year ago today that a brave soul named "Maleman" started this thread, seeking answers for the family divisions caused by self-proclaimed "lovers of Jesus" under the tight control of Mike Peters of Indianapolis. In this past calendar year, more than 1,600 posts have been made on this subject, covering many important, relevant, and sometimes shocking subjects. Unfortunately, with this much information, a new reader may find it difficult to weed through many posts to the truly important information. With this in mind, I offer the following "Timeline". I've gone through the entire year's posts to highlight and summarize what I feel are the most significant posts. Clearly the summaries are from my point of view, and some may disagree. But if you doubt the truth of what I say, I INVITE you to go to the actual posts (using the Dates I've given) and verify what I've written. Just in case you DO want to look up anything, here's the rough ordering of the postings: (a) Main Thread (Feb-Aug 2006); (b) New Indy Thread (Aug-Sept 2006); (c) Summary of problems...(Sept-Oct 2006); (d) Extended Families Hurting (Oct-Dec 2006); (e) Indianapolis Contradictions (Nov-Dec 2006); (f) Mike Peters spiritually abusive group (Dec 2006-Feb 2007). Mike Peters and his followers call this thread "spiritual pornography" and "persecution", but most of us call it "Truth revealing" and "Freedom". Thanks again to Maleman and all the others who have contributed -- and continue to add real life testimonies. Thanks especially to those who have braved the attacks of Peters and his followers to tell your story. If there is one thing this Timeline makes abundantly clear -- Mike Peters cannot tolerate criticism, and he will use intimidation and character assassination to silence his critics. ============================================ TIMELINE OF THE MIKE PETERS FACTNET THREAD ============================================ 2/16/2006: "Maleman" makes initial post -- asking for information about this unusual group from Columbus and Indianapolis -- later points out that this group has seriously damaged his family's relationship with his brother (who is in the cult). 3/17/2006: "Aging Mom" posts an email from Mike Peters. He (MP) is very abrasive and demeaning with her over her genuine questions. 3/20/2006: "Aging Mom" posts quotes from a Mike Peters online book. Alarmingly, Peters claims that "God has whispered" in his group's ears a "special message" (this reminded some of other more famous cults). 3/28/2006: "FYI" posts (in entirety) Indianapolis News article about the Mike Peters cult. Article exposes Mike and his cult of publically humiliating former member (and victim), Dennis Elslager. 3/28/2006: Columbus leader Dan Ziegler (aka "Onetimeposter") emerges to post a defense of the cult -- specifically disagreeing with Maleman's charges regarding his brother (a neighbor of Dan's). 3/28/2006: "FYI1" also refers readers to Families Against Cults of Indiana (FAC) for more info about the Peters cult. 3/29/2006: Dan Z posts an extremely slanderous (and now known to be false) account of the Dennis Elslager story -- from the lying memory of Mike Peters himself. (It was later revealed that Mike P himself told this story, only to use Dan as the Factnet poster.) The story paints an immorally dreadful image of Dennis E, using embellished and exaggerated facts. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 103 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
====================================================== TIMELINE OF THE MIKE PETERS FACTNET THREAD, Continued ====================================================== 3/29/2006: Dan Z makes his first of many pleadings for Peters' critics to stop posting on Factnet. 4/11/2006: Jen Elslager (aka "Speakingtruth") emerges to make an impassioned and strong defense of her husband's character. 4/11/2006: Conceding his error, Dan Z pays $20 to have the above false (and potentially libellous) character assassination of Dennis Elslager withdrawn from Factnet (see 3/29 above). 4/11/2006: Despite the above, Dan Z continues to attack Dennis E. 4/11/2006: Dennis Elslager (aka "Speakingtruth") emerges to defend himself. All of Mike's lies about him (posted through Dan) are clearly and totally rebutted. 4/12/2006: Mike Peters himself finally emerges on FactNet. Mike both defends himself and continues the character assassination of Dennis E. 4/17/2006: "Cult_fighter" makes first charge that Mike Peters encourages wives to "withhold affection" from their noncompliant (to the cult) husbands. 4/28/2006: Another former victim, "First_Truth", emerges to tell his story about the cult. 5/2/2006: "First_Truth" posts a past (1999) letter from Mike Peters which exposes more of the cultic nature of this group. 5/7/2006: Jen E posts internet information exposing some of the past history of Mike Peters. 5/8/2006: Quoting from a previously posted First_Truth story, "Cult_Fighter" exposes the cultic trend of sending an "escort" along on journeys taken by Indy group members. Such escorts are labelled the "Cuban guards". 5/11/2006: "Ultimatetruthseeker" details cultic tendencies of the members of this group, then also asks challenging questions about Mike's finances. 5/11/2006: Another past victim, "Gottapost", emerges to tell his story. He starts naming names of the Mike Peters group in Indianapolis, and asks questions about Mike and his (alleged) female traveling companions. 5/16/2006: Question is first asked: Name one Indianpolis pastor or church with whom Mike Peters and his church have good relations. Question is continually asked (throughout June) but NEVER answered by Mike (or his followers), showing they refuse to answer simple questions. 6/2/2006: "Gottapost" details 3 clearly cultic tendencies of the Mike Peters group. 6/5/2006: Mike Peters reemerges and filibusters. He defends himself and his finances, then attacks other churches and pastors, as well as attacking Factnet and all his Factnet critics. 6/7/2006: Angry Indy group apologist Chris Olive (aka "Wirklichmir") emerges to defend Mike Peters and his cult. In LONG posts, he mostly just attacks the character of the groups' critics (including Denny, Jen, Gottapost, and others). This clearly exposes another cultic trait -- Don't answer your critics -- just attack their character. Chris concludes with an unbelievable list of "sins" of unnamed FactNet critics. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 104 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
====================================================== TIMELINE OF THE MIKE PETERS FACTNET THREAD, Continued ====================================================== 6/9/2006: Dan Z claims that "Maleman" has apologized for starting this FactNet thread, and that he and his brother have fully reconciled. Neither claim is ever verified by Maleman or his brother. 6/9/2006: Question is first asked: Why does FAC, the #1 anti-cult group in Mike Peters' home state, consider Mike's group to be a CULT? Question is asked repeatedly, but never answered. 6/9/2006: Chris Olive returns to tell Jen E that her husband has lied to her. He claims that he (Chris) was an eye witness to Dennis' departure from the Indianapolis group, but actually he had the facts entirely wrong. 6/9/2006: Denny re-posts the false post of Dan Z (see 3/29 above) -- which he had paid $20 to have removed (on 4/11). The tactics of Mike Peters are once again exposed -- using lies and exaggerations to silence and attack anyone who disagrees with him. 6/10/2006: Chris Olive posts a LONG "Quick Daily Snapshot", summarizing (from his view) daily life within the group. He hopes this will cast the group in a more positive "scriptural" light, but to most FactNet critics, he only seems to be admitting to the cultic nature of the group (for example: communal living, etc.). 6/11/2006: Jen Elslager asks Chris: Why is no one ever alone? (in the Indy group) 6/13/2006: Chris O responds to Jen's question with: WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE SCARED TO BE ALONE???!!!!!! Thus, he confirms the cultic "watchdogging" tendency of the Mike Peters group. 6/16/2006: New poster "Shammah" details story of how Mike Peters forbid him from visiting the cult when he visited Indianapolis. 6/20/2006: Hoping for sympathy, "Sigh" posts a defense of Kathy Peters (Mike's wife) against charges that were never made against her! In fact, it was this Sigh who was first to even name Kathy Peters. 6/25/2006: Jen E informs that she has put Don Childs' excellent review of Mike Peters' book, "Meetings in His Kingdom" on her website. 7/18/2006: Tim Dennis (aka "DanRepent") emerges and tells his story of past abuse from the Columbus branch of the group. 7/25/2006: Tim D introduces the website he has created about the Mike Peters group: www.indianapoliscult.com 7/27/2006: Chris O explodes over the use of a common Freudian word, calling it "language that is so VULGAR and UNHOLY". 7/30/2006: Chris O gives details about his own life, and his (positive) experience with his Indy group friends. Then, Chris ends with long, vicious attacks on those he disagrees with. 8/1/2006: Chris O compares his FactNet critics with the KKK. 8/7/2006: Mike R, yet another victim, emerges to tell his sad story of abuse from the Indy group. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 105 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
====================================================== TIMELINE OF THE MIKE PETERS FACTNET THREAD, Continued ====================================================== 8/9/2006: Tim Szazynski emerges to tell his sad, sad story! Tim is a man whose wife and children (still in the cult) are openly "withholding affection" from their husband and father -- under the direction and teachings of Mike Peters. 8/10/2006: Chris Olive immediately savagely attacks Tim Szazynski -- the first of many verbal attacks. 8/11/2006: Tim Sz tells about how Mike Peters' followers are not allowed to access non-approved information. 8/11/2006: Mike Peters reemerges to personally attack Tim Szazynski. He defends telling Tim's wife not to submit to her husband, comparing Tim to a homosexual, a Hindu, or a Muslim -- then alludes that the problem was Tim's membership expenses in a health club. Mike and Tim then have back-and-forth accusations about each other's finances and expenses. 8/11/2006: Danielle (Tim Dennis' wife) posts that the group's women do not obey 1 Peter 3:1-2 when they tell wives to not submit to their (alleged) unbelieving husbands. 8/12/2006: Elizabeth Nelson comes forward to share her story -- including Mike's advice to her that she potentially divorce her husband. This is part of a continuing emphasis on Mike Peters' strange relationships with the women of his cult. 8/16/2006: Tim Sz talks about the trend of the group's wives who show no affection to their husbands. 8/24/2006: Chris O explains why the Indy group blocks open internet access to their followers. He also explains why Mike P tells his followers to avoid certain Indianapolis stores. 8/24/2006: Tim Sz gives a "tour" of the Indy groups' neighborhoods. He gives an accurate (but cultic) description of the way his wife Cathy feels about him – pointing out that she compares him to the evil Muslim husband in the movie, “Not Without My Daughter” (this is a common thing among the group's women). Tim also tells the story of when his indoctrinated love-withholding teenage daughter told him (her father) to "Die, die, die!" 8/25/2006: Chris Olive attacks Tim Sz. He then angrily calls all of his critics “Satanically drunk” and says they have “hatred for the very life of Jesus”. 8/25/2006: Discussion about the unfriendly “No Soliciting” signs on the doors of most Indy group member homes. 8/27/2006: Cathy Szazinski’s story (bashing her husband Tim) is posted by Chris Olive. She says Tim is planning to divorce her. While Tim is exposed as an imperfect husband, Cathy exposes herself as group-controlled, love-withholding wife. 8/29/2006: “Threeseas” reports new Mike Peters-influenced cult activity in Columbus, Indiana. 8/29/2006: Dave Szazinski emerges to bash his own brother (Tim). Dave shows he is more loyal to his church friends than to his own real family. Dave criticizes Tim’s desire for a divorce. Dave also repeats the “Not Without My Daughter” charge. (In fairness, it is later learned that Tim Sz does indeed legally divorce his wife -- a move which is strongly disagreed with by BOTH sides of this debate.) 8/29/2006: “First_Truth” posts the Indy group's standard Will, which prevents anyone from seeing their dead body and ensures that surviving children be cared for by group members instead of blood relatives. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 106 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
====================================================== TIMELINE OF THE MIKE PETERS FACTNET THREAD, Continued ====================================================== 9/6/2006: Focus begins on Mike Peters telling wives to withhold affection from their husbands (in his “All Affection” teaching). 9/10/2006: “First_Truth” posts link to the “Mr Costello” MP3 sci-fi story which mirrors the Mike Peters controlling cult world. 9/15/2006: “Amazed One” (Indy group apologist) defends Mike’s “withholding affection” teaching as biblical. 9/16/2006: Chris O attacks Dennis E, accusing him of “spiritual terrorism”, and calls Dennis an “evil spiritual viper”. 9/18/2006: Chris O says that FactNet criticism of the Indy group is a “predecessor” to real, physical persecution. 9/18/2006: Discussion begins about “Secret emails to other men’s wives” written by Mike Peters. 9/19/2006: Another victim (Chris S) tells his story on the cult website. He is immediately attacked by Chris O. 9/19/2006: Dan Ziegler returns to attack Chris S – and especially Tim Dennis. Further, Dan says FactNet criticism IS persecution. 9/21/2006: “Gottapost” lists a 7-point summary of the problems of the teachings of the Mike Peters cult. 9/25/2006: Dan Z posts a long word study of the word “slander”. 9/27/2006: Dan Z posts Mike’s “marital sex is good” essay, but then forgets to address Mike’s “withholding affection” doctrine. 9/28/2006: Mike’s “secret emails” discussion explodes! 10/2/2006: “Gottapost” states that Mike Peters' followers often say: “When you’ve seen me, you’ve seen Mike”. 10/4/2006: The first “secret email to another man’s wife” is pointed out – ON MIKE’S WEBSITE (see his “Authority” teaching). Mike ends this email (to another man’s wife) with “Love, mike”. 10/4/2006: Elizabeth N (via Tim D) posts a “secret email” from Mike Peters. Mike berates her husband, then signs off with “Love, mike”. 10/4/2006: Chris O goes ballistic over “secret email” postings! Accuses “Gottapost” and “Cult_fighter” of being family-abusing “tyrants”, even though Chris clearly had the wrong identities for these two men. Chris then attacks Elizabeth N and her husband. 10/4/2006: Elizabeth N (via Tim D) posts a second “secret email” from Mike Peters. SHOCKINGLY, in this email, Mike signs off with “xoxoxoxo” (Hugs & Kisses) to woman who is NOT his wife! 10/5/2006: Tim Dennis posts email from Dan Ziegler in which Dan threatens to expose the personal lives of Elizabeth & Vince Nelson – if Tim does not remove the “secret emails” posts (see above). 10/6/2006: “First_Truth” posts more “secret emails” from Mike Peters, sent to another man’s wife. In these emails, Mike tells this wife to “not yoke” with her husband, to not hold hands with or give affection to her God-given husband. 10/12/2006: Discussion turns to Mike’s “Hugs & Kisses” (xoxoxox) sent to another man’s wife. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 107 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
====================================================== TIMELINE OF THE MIKE PETERS FACTNET THREAD, Continued ====================================================== 10/13/2006: Denny E posts a set of emails between Greg and an Indy group member in Australia. The Mike Peters doctrine of “withholding affection” is exposed, with a 6-year-old taught to withhold affection (her “stuff”) from a visitor (Alex). 10/17/2006: Extended family tells their story of family members (in the Peters group) who are withholding affection (cut off) from them – because they belong to a church with a building, and because they don’t “swallow Peters’ doctrine”. Peters’ “Physical Phamily” teaching is cited, where Mike tells of withholding affection from his own parents. 10/29/2006: References to ongoing verbal battles on Amazon.com over Mike Peters’ book, “Meetings in His Kingdom”. 10/30/2006: Tim D posts the “8 Commandments of Indy Brainwashing”, a summary of Mike Peters’ “Marry Jesus” teaching. 11/5/2006: “Skeza2505” emerges to tell her story of life in the cult – from a child’s point of view. She points out the over-emphasis in the cult on “sin, sin, sin”. 11/6/2006: Skeeza adds disturbing story of Indy group members spanking each other’s children – to the point of child abuse! She also tells how her childhood playmates “idolized” Mike Peters, while (at age 10) she found Peters to be “creepy”. 11/7/2006: Chris Olive tells Gottapost, Tim D, Jen, and others that they are going to Hell and that he’s anxious for that! Essentially, Chris is telling Mike Peters' critics to “Go to Hell!” 11/7/2006: “Sigh” attacks Skeza (calls her “Lisa”). (It is soon learned that "Sigh" is posting from Mike Peters' IP internet address.) He defends against the abusive spanking story, saying that Skeza’s parents were in agreement. 11/7/2006: Lisa (aka “Skeza”) disputes Mike Peters’ version of the abusive spanking story. 11/7/2006: “Sigh” (Mike Peters?) goes to A NEW LOW when he appears to attack an 8-year-old girl (Lisa) for “very serious sexual sin” committed years ago, when she was a child. He further tries to intimidate her by threatening to “arrange a polygraph test”. (Lisa explains this “sin” was a mutually-consented-to childish game -- long-ago confessed, repented of, and forgiven by God). 11/8/2006: Chris O posts a response to Lisa from one of her childhood friends, followed by his own vulgar attack on Lisa. Lisa responds to Chris: “You are a pervert”. 11/9/2006: “First_Truth” tells of more near-child abuse incidents within the cult, including many cases of spanking other parents’ children. He also tells of Mike Peters’ “blasting” (verbally) small children who misbehaved in his presence. 11/9/2006: “Sigh” (Mike Peters?) continues to attack Lisa for her childhood “sins”. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 108 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
====================================================== TIMELINE OF THE MIKE PETERS FACTNET THREAD, Continued ====================================================== 11/16/2006: “Redm1sk”, another victim, emerges to tell her sad story. She says her still-in-the-cult daughter is totally withholding affection (and contact) from her. Most alarming, she tells of when Mike Peters told his followers to “keep your passports current and ready”. 11/17/2006: As usual, Chris Olive attacks “Redm1sk”. He posts a short response from her daughter (Angie) which declares that the Indy group members (and not her real mother) are her “TRUE family”. 11/17/2006: Chris O accuses FactNet critics of taking the position of “cheap grace”. Further, he says Mike Peters has been “practically crucified” and compares the persecution to an “execution-style” murder. Worse, he uses threatening language saying his coworkers could “hunt you all down” and “take a 2x4 to all of you” (referring to the FactNet critics). Amazingly, Chris calls these tough coworkers “my pagan, chain-smoking, multiply divorced, adultrating, porn-watching, sailor mouthed coworkers”. 11/20/2006: “Threeseas” reports on another victim, a man who was asked to leave the cult. This man’s wife remains close to the cult and thus this man is cut off from his own children. 11/25/2006: Tim Dennis lists 6 websites used for the Mike Peters group's recruiting. 11/28/2006: “First_Truth” (ex-Indy group member) answers questions about Mike Peters’ money and about the group's children. 11/28/2006: “Nintai” (former group member) emerges to post an excellent clarification of the Scriptures in Matthew 18:15-17 – the reference used by Mike Peters and his followers to justify telling a wife that her husband is not a Christian, and thus deserves to have affection withheld. 11/29/2006: Discussion begins on the Indy group's boycott of Christmas. 11/30/2006: “Nintai” quotes Mike Peters’ “Living Room Xmas” teaching, when Peters says “God is ANGRY” at Christmas carol singers. 12/6/2006: “Baxter”, “Nintai”, First_Truth”, and Jen E’s anonymous friend conduct discussion on the group's practice of judging each other’s thoughts, on leaven, and the group's "caste system". 12/13/2006: Tim D posts part of a letter from another former victim, “Anonymous”. He tells a very damaging story of Mike Peters – of his failed prophecies, golf addiction, hot temper, etc. 12/14/2006: Naturally, Chris Olive logs in to attack “Anonymous”. He calls him a “vile, perverted person” and a “liar”. Once again, Chris again compares the FactNet critics to the KKK. 12/14/2006: Chris O posts letter from Kathy Peters (Mike’s wife), responding to the story by “Anonymous” about Mike’s relationship with a single mother. Kathy defends the woman and solicits sympathy by bringing up her female health problems (which were never brought up by “Anonymous”). Interestingly, Kathy never defends her husband, Mike, except to say that their marriage “is strong, solid, loving, and kind”. Note: This was Chris Olive’s last post. Apparently, he was told by his superiors to log off. 12/15/2006: Mike Peters' critics say only good things about Kathy Peters. 12/15/2006: Elizabeth N “Graceisenough” details how Mike Peters wrote a fake email to himself and then used it to manipulate her. 12/16/2006: Paul & Missy B log in to defend Chris Olive. 12/17/2006: Paul & Missy (Indy group apologists) begin “What is Slander?” discussion, which ends up pointing right back at Mike Peters. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 109 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
====================================================== TIMELINE OF THE MIKE PETERS FACTNET THREAD, Continued ====================================================== 12/18/2006: “Baxter” tells about how Mike Peters controls what his followers are allowed to read. 12/18/2006: Elizabeth N tells story about how, after she left the cult, she was ignored at the library by her former church friends. 12/23/2006: Sofia emerges to tell of her family’s experience in the Columbus group. She calls it “Evil!” 12/26/2006: Denny E points out that Mike Peters promotes a movie (“The Matrix”) that was inspired by Buddhism. 12/27/2006: Tim D asks some hard-hitting questions about the cult. 12/27/2006: Mike Peters group's use of “holiness statistics” are discussed. 1/1/2007: Tim D announces the “FactNet List” has been posted on his Indianapoliscult website. 1/2/2007: Outside observer "workadmin" warns all past group members that they will be slandered in an attempt to “blackmail them into silence”. 1/3/2007: Tim D posts the story from another victim. 1/9/2007: “Nintai” explains how the cult group is built on Fear – fear of sin, fear of outsiders, fear of being alone, fear of Mike Peters' wrath, fear of getting kicked out, etc. 1/10/2007: Tim D posts letter from Gene Fredette, who knew Mike Peters before he came to Indianapolis. Tells that Mike “ruined” his past church in Vermont. 1/17/2007: “Rob W” emerges to tell of how he became aware, upon careful investigation, the Mike Peters-led group was a cult. 1/18/2007: Karl (former friend of Tim D) logs in to attack Tim and defend the Columbus group. Weirdly, he accuses Elizabeth N of “murder”. 1/19/2007: “Cult_fighter” strongly refutes Karl’s “facts” with 7 well-established facts about the evils of Mike Peters and his cult. 1/22/2007: “Mike Peters & Jim Jones: Ten Similarities” is posted. Clearly, Peters and Jones have many scary resemblances. 1/24/2007: Jen E’s Anonymous friend says that Mike Peters has said “the weirdest and most perverted things I’ve ever heard about sex”. More comparisons are made to Jim Jones. 2/5/2007: “Baxter” reviews Mike Peters’ “Catalyst for Change” teaching, calls it “oppressive”, and then shares bad memories of “Daily Life” in the cult. 2/13/2007: Discussion on Indy group's version of evangelism. Conclusion is they don’t reach out to the truly “lost”, but only to the “lost sheep” – Christians in other (attendance-based) churches. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 207 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
Well, Cult_Fighter. That was certainly a lot of work you did for everyone. Too bad it does, as you stated, reflect only your tainted viewpoint of hatred towards a group that lives incredibly like Jesus -- enough to obey him and disfellowship those with a long track record of disobedience and sin that would make most pagans raise their eyebrows (and indeed some did and have). And this after long periods of grace, mercy, love and untold resources -- time, money and energy -- poured out on those situations as I have documented. It's interesting, isn't it that the history of America and it's westward expansion would be distinctly different, told from the perspective of the American Indian versus the American white-man frontiersman, now wouldn't it? It think it's also interesting that one of best and most objective retellings of American History was done by a somewhat involved but sufficiently removed third party (Winston Churchhill) such as myself. But of course, those subjective parties might care to disagree with it, as you have said about your own posting. Well, I'm not overly interested in spending another 6 months of my life arguing with people who are bent on lying, slandering, libeling, fabricating, re-telling and reinventing history (many of you with paperbags still over your heads since you DO have something to hide while you try and "convince" the readers here who the "real enemy" is -- while you all remain enemies of the Cross and of Jesus Christ Himself), but... I'll venture another post anyway and then duck out again for another 6 months. Let's see if we can set the record straight "Winston Churchill" style. Again for those just joining us, I too was a member who was disfellowshipped -- TWICE -- and for very good reasons. I've also lived with and know many, though not all, of the liars and fabricators in this forum first hand, having lived with many of them over the last 15 years in various cities and situations. I have EXTENSIVE experience with the church in Indianapolis, and pretty extensive experience with most in here, and it's very, very sad and distressing to see the lengths to which some will go -- due to ambition, pride, bitterness and unrepentance -- to not only lie and cover up, but to try and do as much damage as they can to those who have cared for them the most. And ironically, those who scream and lie the most -- the virtual "ringleaders" in here, have never, ever, ever, EVER even BEEN to either of the churches here. Isn't THAT amazing??!!!! They scream and cry "FOUL!" at the top of their lungs and yet they have absolutely NO -- NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH -- actual experience with EITHER of these churches despite of course lying and saying that they do -- "SpeakingTruth"/"JoyThruChrist" (Jen Elslager), "DanRepent" (Tim Dennis), and "Cult_Fighter" (I'll allow Alan to keep the bag over his head since his "reputation" in other parts of the internet would be at stake.) :-( Well, let's see if we can help Cult_Fighter (or so he thinks... more like "TruthAndGodHater" -- his documentable online activities of sensual, lustful movie watching and other things prove THAT!) a little bit with his of overt hatred: | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 208 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
2/16/2006: "Maleman" makes initial post -- asking for information about this unusual group from Columbus and Indianapolis -- later points out that this group has seriously damaged his family's relationship with his brother (who is in the cult). Well, not really. "maleman" isn't just "asking for information." His initial posting carries an accusational tone and doesn't really represent those churches accurately. Instead it represents his feelings and hurt. Thankfully, as far as I know, that's somewhat behind "maleman" now and he's enjoying at least some relationship with his brother and a number of misunderstandings have been erased, including MANY involving lies which have just gone on and on and on here. 3/17/2006: "Aging Mom" posts an email from Mike Peters. He (MP) is very abrasive and demeaning with her over her genuine questions. Yeah, maybe the reader SHOULD go back and re-read those posts where Aging_Mom posted her email exchange to a public forum without permission. It's pretty easy to see that it's "Aging_Mom" who has a chip on her shoulder and Mike is by no means abrasive and demeaning. But when you are prideful and arrogant and self-entitled as most of you are in here, I "guess" I can see how you see it that way. :-( Again, it's all a matter of perspective, isn't it, Cult_Fighter? Who's the "indian" and who's the arrogant, prideful, entitled "white man." 3/20/2006: "Aging Mom" posts quotes from a Mike Peters online book. Alarmingly, Peters claims that "God has whispered" in his group's ears a "special message" (this reminded some of other more famous cults). Let the reader here understand Mike has never, ever, ever, EVER in his life ever stated such a thing. Let the reader ALSO understand that the handful (and it's only 7-10 people folks, if THAT!?) in here certainly do take a LOT of exception to what this one man has said -- which is COMPLETELY, 100% DOCUMENTABLE, most of it ONLINE. They "twist" practicably every breath from this man's nostrils. Mike's never, ever, ever, said such a thing in the spirit in which it's written here. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 209 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
3/28/2006: "FYI" posts (in entirety) Indianapolis News article about the Mike Peters cult. Article exposes Mike and his cult of publically humiliating former member (and victim), Dennis Elslager. Cult_Fighter is truly amazing in his ability to objectively present truth and the facts... Yes, FYI in trying to be some kind of "expert" (Google makes EVERYONE feel like an "expert" these days, now doesn't it?) and "prove" he can type a search phrase faster than your average bear into the Google search engine, posts this article from 12 years ago and essentially throws the "Molotov cocktail" through the window that ignites this entire forum. He has NO IDEA what he's so arrogantly talking about, and the article should never have been posted. Dennis Elslager was PROTECTED by the church in Indianpolis for 12 years. They never said a PEEP about this past sins. But now, as we follow Cult_Fighter's TWISTED anthology here, we're about to see how this ignites this whole thread. By the way, Mike Peter's intentionally "took the hit" when the reporter called and allowed it to come across as if Dennis had been "mistreated" when it was Dennis who started his little (now gigantic) spiritual temper tantrum 12 years ago that has never stopped. it's absolutely PATHETIC how someone (and now his spouse) can have their ENTIRE LIVES defined by one moment in a restuarant. :-( But as we shall see soon, as we continue to follow this "timeline," this is how Dennis Elslager and his Jezebel wife, Jen, deal with ANYONE who has the "audacity" (in THEIR minds) to "cross their paths." They landed here on FactNet to slander someone ELSE who had the guts to stand up to their very observably fraudulent lives in Christ, and when they found the church in Indianapolis in discussion here, unfortunately some responses from FYI's very unfortunate and arrogant posting, they proceeded to started slandering here the church in Indianapolis as well. You'll find as we go on here that Dennis and Jen's "modus operandi" is to scream "cult!" at the top of their lungs whenever EVERYONE confronts them in their lives, which apparently (also documentable on the web) haven't changed much in 15 years. So sad... :-( 3/29/2006: Dan Z posts an extremely slanderous (and now known to be false) account of the Dennis Elslager story -- from the lying memory of Mike Peters himself. (It was later revealed that Mike P himself told this story, only to use Dan as the Factnet poster.) The story paints an immorally dreadful image of Dennis E, using embellished and exaggerated facts. The story (which was retracted, but which ironically you can find in it's entirety on Jen Elslager's blog site -- amazing how they SCREAMED bloody murder when it was posted here, but then after Dan graciously offered to remove it, they reposted it, because they DO need something to scream about... Hmmmmmm?) is entirely true, and in fact Jen herself ADMITTED that here on FactNet. But the "attitude" here is "so what?" because the OBJECT of this thread isn't about Truth or Righteousness but about burning a man and a church at the stake no matter WHAT anyone says and no MATTER WHAT lengths they have to go to accomplish it. The FACTS of Dennis Elslager's life, I myself being a witness to how he carried himself and what he was and still is like, are UNDENIABLE, and MANY, MANY, MANY witnesses can be produced to sunstantiate this. But of course, "they are lying" as Dennis states. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 210 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
4/11/2006: Conceding his error, Dan Z pays $20 to have the above false (and potentially libellous) character assassination of Dennis Elslager withdrawn from Factnet (see 3/29 above). Dan has the posting removed out of graciousness to the Elslager's. Not because the story wasn't true. Remember, reader, NONE of this would have happened, if Mr. "I'm a cult expert" FYI hadn't so arrogantly and pridefully posted the newspaper article to a public forum, thereby discrediting an incredibly Godly church in the process and backing them into a virtual corner where they felt they needed to provide an explanation for the newspaper article. But again, the article itself was EXACLTLY what the handful of God haters in here needed... And it hasn't stopped for 12 months. (And trust me, it never will now that Tim Dennis and Dennis Elslager especially have "discovered" that the internet is the fastest and best way to "grow" the "following" they always wanted. No one needs to know the details of their actual home lives nowm because through the internet, they can fulfill their insatiable desire for a following of men. Spsiritual ambition without the reality in their lives to DEMONSTRATE that they should be leaders -- as the BIBLE COMMANDS -- is why these men were asked to leave or were never really integrated in the FIRST PLACE. And the rest of this last year is simply their angry responses and agenda and vendetta of revenge for some people where able to see through their thin venere of "spirituality" rather easily... :-( 4/11/2006: Despite the above, Dan Z continues to attack Dennis E. It's funny again how from the handful here, the "attackees" and the "attackers" are completely reversed in a lot of cases. The way it works here (there are specific, one-sided, self-serving "rules of engagement" here, reader, and I might as well get you "up to date" on one of them...), is that (a) if you are AGAINST the churches mentioned here, and someone writes something in their defense -- no matter WHAT the real attitude or actual "tone of writing" -- then that is the "attackER." If you are (b) AGAINST the churches mentioned here and you are addressed by someone who is FOR them (because you know the truth) then you are the "attackEE." If anything, Dan Z. makes some of the most impassioned, loving, Christlike, moderate and restained postings of anyone on this board, including myself. To say that Dan "attacks" anyone only proves a lot of what I am saying about the one-sited, self-serving "rules of engagement" I've already mentioned. (The "attackER"/"attackEE" thing only being ONE of those many one-sided rules that EVERYONE here MUST follow, or "you too can be a cult." All you have to do is disagree with the motley crew in here, and... "You must be a cultist!" :-) :-( :-( | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 211 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
4/11/2006: Dennis Elslager (aka "Speakingtruth") emerges to defend himself. All of Mike's lies about him (posted through Dan) are clearly and totally rebutted. Oh, another one of those "rules" I was mentioning... (a) If Mike or anyone in support of Indianapolis says anything, then they are a LAIR. If (b) anyone AGAINST those churches says anything, it's absolutely, 100% the TRUTH. It doesn't matter if most everyone in here has a bag over his head. Or if they've never, ever, ever actually MET any of these people. If THEY say something -- it's the TRUTH. If Indy or someone like myself says something -- someone who has BEEN THERE one TWO OCCASIONS for YEARS and YEARS and has known the people there, some for almost 30 years -- then we are "lying." Hey, makes sense to me...! Never been there and don't really know them and you're anonymous (some of you still until I've exposed you)? They are the "truth tellers" here. Been there for years and has nothing to hide? I (and others there) are the "liars." So get these "rules of engagement" under your belt, readers, it'll you'll go a LONG, LONG way, esp. if you want to post here. 4/12/2006: Mike Peters himself finally emerges on FactNet. Mike both defends himself and continues the character assassination of Dennis E. More examples of the one-sided, self-serving "rules of engagement" I keep trying to get through everyone's head. When Mike is crucified here, unjustly, then it's NOT "character assassination." When the truth is told about someone with a 15 year history of spriritual temper tantrums, spiritual ambition and pride, trying to draw other men to himself, not to mention a lot of other things I won't go into detail on again here (but a past history of sexual perversion DURING THE TIME HE WAS IN THE MIDST OF THIS CHURCH) -- THEN it's "characer assassination." The church in Indy can be dragged through the mud, lied about, fabricated about, twisted, altered, and such, and it's "truth." And again mostly by people who have never been there. When it's the other way around, concerning people with DOCUMENTABLE histories of sin and perversions that make your average pagan blush (not to mention many in here that have documentable histories of MENTAL ILLNESS that included treatment in MENTAL HEALTH facilities), then... THEN it's "character assassination"... Everyone getting these "rules" down go and pat...? Good...! :-( | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 212 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
4/17/2006: "Cult_fighter" makes first charge that Mike Peters encourages wives to "withhold affection" from their noncompliant (to the cult) husbands. Well, let's get Cult_Fighter straight here, readers, since we're all into "summaries." There are two things from this thread that are absolutely driving Cult_Fighter insane (with hate, fear, and rage)... The so-called "accusation" that "Mike writes and encourages women to withhold affections" from their husbands. And let the reader definitely follow Cult_Fighter's advice and read what they have "presented" (though surely in their OWN LIGHT) concerning all this. Mike has never done what they accuse him of here. He does have relationships, as a leader -- ACCOUNTABLE RELATIONSHIPS -- with many people all over the world, MALE and female. In fact, the MAJORITY of the so-called "proof" in this forum comes from women who WILLINGLY were writing Mike themselves about serious, serious, SERIOUS problems in their own households with their spouses. (Child endangerment, porn, possible molestation, and other issues where "on the line" with those men/husbands.) Mike does NOT do what he is accused of in this forum, but rather what we have instead here are "twists" by men here who are ENRAGED that Mike would DARE suggest that women do NOT have to obey their husbands when the choice between obeying their husbands would lead them to disobey -- very CLEARLY and without question -- Jesus. NO ONE can be made to disobey Christ -- not a husband, not a spouse, not a child, not parent. If what their lives are about VIOLATES Jesus and the covanent they have with HIM, then the person sinning has violated his covanent with his spouse and indeed many have and that is EXACTLY what is going on here. This isn't about some "cult leader" but about a bunch of spiritual mavens who PRETEND to be "husbands" who are absolutely ENRAGED that ANYONE would suggest such a thing. So the "wife thing" is shear and utter BUNK and a SMOKE SCREEN for what is REALLY going on in those homes. (I can't even begin to tell you what kind of tyrants we are dealing with in this forum, and again, many I KNOW PERSONALLY and the testimony from Indy about these men is 100% true.) The other thing Cult_Fighter is absolutely fit to be tied about is my supposedly telling him to "go to hell." Which I never once did. I told him and others here that coming against what God is doing is most certainly going to land them there. And if they don't want to change, what they deserve to get for how they have PERSECUTED the body of Christ like a band of pirate CUT-THROATS -- I would indeed, for the sake of Christ and how they continue to MURDER Him without conscience in here, be pleased to see their fate sealed. Many in here do not realize that by acting like Korah and being Korah's themselves, they deserve the same fate. ANYONE with a heart after God's -- of which I cannot even claim, but surely do WANT -- would feel the same way. But again, few in here would understand or care to understand Psalms 58 or the many other passages like them, written by a "man after God's own heart." God HATES the men of Jude 8-16, 2 Peter 2ff, 2 Tinothy 3 and other passages with a PASSION. And the men in women in here, unfortunately, do by and large represent those kinds of people. Cult_Fighter, you are one of them.... | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 213 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
4/28/2006: Another former victim, "First_Truth", emerges to tell his story about the cult. Another pretender (Dave T.) who didn't and doesn't want to "pay the price" emerges to fabricate and lie about and betray... 5/7/2006: Jen E posts internet information exposing some of the past history of Mike Peters. Jen, who has NEVER, EVER, EVER BEEN to Indianapolis or Columbus or met anyone on this thread from those churches, continues to post lie after lie and slanderous accusation after slanderous accusation. Someone with a computer in a living room 1000 miles away, who has fashioned for herself some "ministry" and "following" but hasn't the first idea what in the world she's talking about. She's also as far away from God as all the cats she keeps. :-( This person in particular absolutely defies description. Let's skip ahead a bit in Cult_Fighter's so-called "timeline" since the next several posts deal with further lies and people with bags over their heads regarding so-called "escorts" and "churches with relationships" and "finances" and other things that are either completely untrue or frankly none of anyone's business. No church in America would put up with these arrogant, self-entitled men busting in on them, either in real life or electronically, DEMANDING answers to their arrogant and prideful questions which are all based on their unrepentent sins (sin which causes men to be DECEIVED about themselves and others -- anyone remember God saying something about all that????!!!!!!) and pride and satanic arrogance... All of this has all been hashed and rehashed for 12 months anyway, so read it for yourself. Just don't be "duped," if you are just now joining us, into believing what someone with a bag over his head continues to "push" on you... (I will be signing this with my real name at the end.) 5/11/2006: Another past victim, "Gottapost", emerges to tell his story. He starts naming names of the Mike Peters group in Indianapolis, and asks questions about Mike and his (alleged) female traveling companions. Interesting that we should come to "GottaPost." Again, take Cult_Fighter's advice, please, and at least read my very first post on this thread regarding GottaPost and others here: http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=300538#POST300538 (And again, continue to "digest" the "rules of engagement" here, dear reader. For your own benefit. If someone in SUPPORT of Indy posts anything more than a few sentences, than they are "long winded" and post "long verbose" posts. Never mind that those AGAINST Indy can ramble and ramble on and on and on about how "spiritual" he is -- Dennis!?!! -- or post something that would take 5-10 pages to print, and... you guessed it!!!! It's TOTALLY OKAY. Beginning to see a pattern emerge here???!!!!!! Did I mention again about how one-sided and self-serving these "rules of engagement" are???!!!) | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 214 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
6/9/2006: Chris Olive returns to tell Jen E that her husband has lied to her. He claims that he (Chris) was an eye witness to Dennis' departure from the Indianapolis group, but actually he had the facts entirely wrong. Again, more "slight of hand" and "smoke and mirrors" that the reader needs to accquaint himself with... If you happen to misrecall an unimportant detail, then they focus on stuff like THAT, rather than the overall TRUTH of the matter and WHAT THE POINT is. The POINT wasn't whether I recalled accurately the exact "family configuration" Dennis had when he was living in the same apartment complex as my own. THE POINT was and still is that I saw Dennis leaving -- packing his car and leaving when he knew no one else was around -- with my OWN TWO EYES. But again... Stuff like that -- the MAIN POINT -- is "diverted" by ridiculous "counter points" about me not remembering exactly if he was living with a group of single brothers or a family. That was 15 years ago. But it doesn't change what I saw in Dennis snakey, unspiritual character and the things which are INDELIABLY ENGRAINED in my memory concerning the things which DO matter and which DO constitute the MAIN POINT of this thread. But again, let's get the "rules of en-gag-ment" down here... Let's get it straight. if someone misrecall's an address or something or "it was snowing that day and you don't remember it" (as another person here put it in a private email exchange), then THAT is what is held up as the "slight of hand." Rather than the UNMISTABLY BAD and UNGODLY CHARACTER of the person which IS the point. So try to see through all of that, reader, while also keeping these "rules of en-gag-ment" in mind.... This is how these people "play games" and the very BEST example of MANY, ironically I should say, of EXACTLY WHY these people were asked to leave and why they are so incredibly angry (and lying through their teeth like no one's business.) Ironic that we have a contained example of the character of these people RIGHT HERE in these kinds of games. Which God doesn't play, which is why you all were asked to leave (or were never a part of the church, Tim Dennis, despite your erronous, false, and satanicl y deceptive claims.) We'll keep fast-forwarding here. I'm not going to rehash stuff I hashed through 6 months ago or more. 6/25/2006: Jen E informs that she has put Don Childs' excellent review of Mike Peters' book, "Meetings in His Kingdom" on her website. Speaking of "long and rambling..." Oh... My bad. I forgot the "rules." If someone AGAINST the church posts or says something, it's "excellent." If someone FOR the church posts or says something, it's "long and rambling" and "doesn't make sense." My bad... :-( What was that about Paul saying that to some God doesn't make any sense and seems "foolish" and to others it "makes sense?" What was that about Jesus saying "FEW will find it????" What was that about Peter saying that "the stone the BUIILDERS [the all knowing IMPORTANT 'religious people'] rejected" as heresy and FALSE, turned out to be the most important Truth of all??? I'm sorry. I'm not following the "rules" in here very well, am I? :-( | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 215 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
7/18/2006: Tim Dennis (aka "DanRepent") emerges and tells his story of past abuse from the Columbus branch of the group. As I've said and others have pointed out (and Tim's even "stuttered" over it -- "Oh, um, well, ahem, you see, what really happened is...")... TIM DENNIS WAS NEVER, EVER, EVER, ******EVER****** a part of the Columbus or Indianapolis churches. ***EVER***!!!!. DESPITE what he "claims." See the post from Dan Z. about Tim here. (Gee, Cult_Fighter... This seems kind of important....? I wonder how you overlooked this one in your "timeline" here???) The REAL story of Tim Dennis' "involvement" with the church in Columbus: http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=339683#POST339683 7/25/2006: Tim D introduces the website he has created about the Mike Peters group: www.indianapoliscult.com Indeed. Very interesting for someone who has never been to Indianapolis, met Mike Peter's for 5 minutes one time, and was never, ever, ever a part of either church for one second of his life. Funny how THAT PERSON suddenly becomes the official "spokesperson" for these churches and what is "so-called" wrong with them. I guess we shouldn't mention here... okay I will... that nearly everything on the web "against" the church in Indianapolis has Tim Dennis behind it. Of course, every church has a few enemies, but Tim's out to make sure everyone thinks there are "many" for this church. When it's just lil' ol' Timmy building web sites and Google groups and Yahoo! groups as fast his little computer programmer fingers can type. We'll keep fast forwarding here. I'm not going to defend myself, esp. to accustions which come from twisted minds and who hate God and his ways. 8/7/2006: Mike R, yet another victim, emerges to tell his sad story of abuse from the Indy group. Mike R., who I know personally, and who is presently divorcing or has divorced his wife, has been chansing women and his own perverted fantasies, bar-hopping, drinking himself into alcoholism, and a list of other things that break God's heart, steps forward and gives his resentful, vengeful, "twist" on the facts. Again, see a pattern here, readers? Of course the CHARACTER of these men have ABSOLSUTELY NOTHING to do with their testimony. I mean, it COULDN'T BE that a God-fearing, God-loving, FAMILY-LOVING, group of believers is being UNLOADED on here on FactNet out of anger, hate, revenge and vendetta, couldn't it? I mean, there's no way!!! Their present and past condicion spiritually has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. And how so incredibly "unChristlike" of us to mention all this and expect that others walk in OBEDIENCE to Jesus and His teachings, huh???? I guess Mike should be allowed to cheat on his wife and his children and his God, and nothing be said about it???? Oh, I guess I shouldn't mention here.... okay I will.... that the angry ACCUSERS here are responsoible for the splitting of Mike's fmaily by infilttrating him and his children with theire endless lies...!!!! :-( Don't be NAIVE, readers. The VERY THINGS they accuse the churches here of are the VERY THINGS they themselves are actually doing. Family-splitting? Never been done in the history of the churches here. But these accusers have a track record of this. "Mike R. emerges" indeed... :-( | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 216 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
8/9/2006: Tim Szazynski emerges to tell his sad, sad story! Tim is a man whose wife and children (still in the cult) are openly "withholding affection" from their husband and father -- under the direction and teachings of Mike Peters. Same thing folks. Timmy (again, I know Tim personally) has recently strapped a spiritual bomb purse to his torso and is pulling the cord with his wife and family and anyone else he can find in close proximity, attempting to blow them and everyone else up with him. He's as loveless as anyone I know, but hey, again, HERE it's ALL ABOUT how the "wife should submit to the husbamd" and when someone suggests otherwise, then THEY are the "ones splitting families." The HUSBAND can live like a cloned son of hell, and it matters not (and the wife MUST "SUBMIT!!!!"). They are the "victims" on this twisted year long thread of hate. Again, anyone see a pattern here??????? Well, we'll keep fast forwarding since a lot of the rest of Cult_Fighter's so called "timeline" is ALL ABOUT this twist from HELL (and another gospel) which states that a woman must submit to her husband while he "claims" to be a "follower" but lives, as I said, like a cloned son of hell. He can cheat on her, fantasize about others, treat his children and his household like adopted slum rats from San Paolo, drink, divorce, and essentially run the gammit of OBSERVABLE SINS in Galatians 5:19ff (some of them act like they are going for them all), and... "THE WIFE HAS TO SUBMIT!!!!!!" And they are ANGRY with those the advise the wife that she has a convenant with the God of the Universe to keep FIRST!!!! So, we'll skip ahead, since Cult_Fighter clearly, clearly, CLEARLY belongs in the "cloned son of hell" category since he CONDONES that kind of "interpretation" of God's Word that way....... This men could bring a harem into their homes (and in spirit or electronically, most have), and "the wife MUST SUBMIT!!!!" and also continue to "have warm feelings" towards their sin-filled, bar-hopping, womenizing, sexually perverted husbands... Anyone want to go home with Jen or Dennis or Tim (any of them) or Mike R. or Cult_Fighter (Alan) or any of the other ones yet??? How about it??? Anyone??? Anyone want to be married to any of them????? Or be a child of any of them?????? Be my guest. When you believe what they say here and have been saying here, you have become one of their children and followers of them. I'm here to tell you, I've SEEN what they are capable of and it AIN'T PRETTY. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 217 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
8/12/2006: Elizabeth Nelson comes forward to share her story -- including Mike's advice to her that she potentially divorce her husband. This is part of a continuing emphasis on Mike Peters' strange relationships with the women of his cult. You know, again, this is one piece of Cult_Fighter's advice I can ask you all to follow. Go ahead and READ THE POSTINGS concerning Elizabeth Nelson. Now, Elizabeth, as must as it's confusing and makes no sense to anyone, can do whatever she wants to do. She can reverse her position if she wants. But at ONE POINT AND TIME, folks, she admitted to having A LOT fo super scary things going on in her household with her truck driving husband. Things involving serious porn, sexual perversions and potential child molestation going on in her home. She was right THEN to be very, very concerned about it. if she wants to ignore all that now, or pretend it didn't exist (if it's all better now, which is questionable, but COULD be), that's her business. But.... Again, it's absolutely mind-boggling to think that people like this would sit on and preach and insist on "submitting to husbands" when there are serious, serious, SERIOUS issues in a home like this that even PAGANS would not even hesitate to separate family members from and DO NOT hesitate to do so. This is something I haven't touched on with the "rules of en-gag-ment" thing, but you should understand that all of the people here accusing the churches are so deluded by their sins and so deceived and have such hard hearts, ignorant of God's word (though "they claim to be wise"... Hmmmmmm, where have I heard THAT phrase before????), that even PAGANS have better judgement and better ability to decide and execute justice than the people here do. You wanna know what it looks like when God "gives people up to their own lusts"???? Look no farther than this forum. These people actually believe with all their hearts they are RIGHT and OKAY to reason and think and preach as they do. That it's OKAY for a man to live like a son of hell (such that pagans that HAVE been involved all seem to agree with the churches accused here), but "THE WIFE ***MUST*** SUBMIT!!!" These kinds could run concentration camps (and for some, their households aren't far from that), and the wife would "STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT!!!!" Now THAT is a CLASSIC picture of "ones given over." | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 218 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
8/16/2006: Tim Sz talks about the trend of the group's wives who show no affection to their husbands. Hmmmmmmmm, let me think about this. Would my wife feel warm and loving and affectionate towards me if she knew I was on the internet fantasizing about other women, or was a drunk, or was bar-hopping trying to pick up women, or treated my children and household like scabbed-over little disease carrying refuges from Vietnam, or filtered all our finances in my own direction while my children slept on the floor, or when we were together, treated me like some prostitute??? Well, maybe I'm wrong for thinking that she wouldn't have a warm bone her body for me.... :-( And all the while, the churches accused here, have pushed, pushed, PUSHED these women to continue LOVING THESE SPIRITUALLY-BANKRUPT and hell-living husbands, and for the most part they ABSOLSUTELY DO. (I know them personally.) They pour out their lives on these spiritual sacks of potatoes (for now --- they can CHANGE and MUST!!!!!), and THEY are the ones who are raked over the coals as "unloving." Again, we see clear evidence here of men and women who are "given over to their own delusions...." To live however they want to live and accuse however they want to accuse. But the FACTS in these situations CANNOT be altered. These men live like BEASTS OF INSTINCT in their households, and no WONDER Jude says the same thing about people who take these kinds of "stances" on things. They prove that they too are "beasts of instinct" as Jude says. Who can take part in things meant for real Love and who "without the SLIGHTEST QUALM" can advocate the things they advocate here and LIE without the slightest twitch to their consciences -- "which have been seared as with a hot iron." 8/24/2006: Chris O explains why the Indy group blocks open internet access to their followers. He also explains why Mike P tells his followers to avoid certain Indianapolis stores. Indy doesn't "do" anything that millions and millions of Americans do all over the US. Pagans and believers alike. These attacks on "how they do business" is ONLY because it doesn't matter WHAT these people do, it's always "weird" and "cultic." Read my responses mainly to Jen Elslager in particular but which are applicable to the entire brood of vipers in here.... It doesn't matter WHAT these people do, "they are a cult." Forget about the fact that their internet connections and protections, etc. are identicial to what millions of people do in their own homes (or WOULD if they had the techincal skill to pull it off -- which many more who WOULD, don't....) | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 219 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
8/24/2006: Tim Sz gives a "tour" of the Indy groups' neighborhoods. He gives an accurate (but cultic) description of the way his wife Cathy feels about him – pointing out that she compares him to the evil Muslim husband in the movie, “Not Without My Daughter” (this is a common thing among the group's women). Tim also tells the story of when his indoctrinated love-withholding teenage daughter told him (her father) to "Die, die, die!" But again, no picture is painted about how Tim's daughter was provoked to this outburst by his reckless and Godless life, huh? Another "rule of en-gag-ment"... Let's cover them all. "Only present ONE SIDE of any story and make sure that it's the saide that makes Indy and Mike look like idiots and 'cultists.'" Forget about when God talks about causing "one of these little ones to stumble" or "fathers PROVOKE NOT your children to wrath?" What did Jesus say? Who would get the millstone tied around his/her neck? Here on FactNet, the CHILD and the WIFE gets the millstone tied around THEIR necks. :-( The invitation is still open.... Anyone willing to go home with any of these -- Jen, Dennis, Tim (either one), Mike R., Tim Szaz,, Cult_Fighter, etc. -- and LIVE with them for an extended period of time..... Go ahead. The door is open. 8/25/2006: Chris Olive attacks Tim Sz. He then angrily calls all of his critics “Satanically drunk” and says they have “hatred for the very life of Jesus”. I didn't "attack" Tim (scroll back for "rules" on how to apply "attackER" and "attackEE" "reasoning"). But I stand by what I said. If anyone reading this wants to defend the sons of hell that these people in here want to defend and use (without care or concern for those situations, since presently those situations work in their favor, while we grieve and mourn for their decisions, knowing and loving them and their children with whom we have lived for years) to "prove" their "points" then you too are in that category. Sorry. I'm only telling you how GOD feels about it and the spiritual devestation and wrecking these people want to propogate and HAVE propogated. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 220 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
8/25/2006: Discussion about the unfriendly “No Soliciting” signs on the doors of most Indy group member homes. Which people all over America use and have a write to use. My "swanky" suburb in a major metopolitan city HANDED THEM OUT TO US WHEN WE MOVED IN. So WHAT"S THE POINT???? Oh, I forgot. It only matters to make these people look like a "cult" even if they do what millions of other Americans do. Or don't. Whichever makes them look like what you want them to look like, pick THAT option. Oh, let's skip ahead a little. Make sure and read all these posts intead of believing Cult_Fighter and Devil_Liars "white man" rendition of the "taking of the west" from the "savage, blood-thirsty, treaty breaking Amarican Indians." Never mind that they were pushed over the brink by the white man and when "one word" was offered or someone stood up for themselves, that was "all the excuse" the white man needed to wipe them all out. Remember that newspaper clipping we talked about at the beginning....???? :-) :-( :-( Let's move on.... 8/29/2006: Dave Szazinski emerges to bash his own brother (Tim). Dave shows he is more loyal to his church friends than to his own real family. Dave criticizes Tim’s desire for a divorce. Dave also repeats the “Not Without My Daughter” charge. (In fairness, it is later learned that Tim Sz does indeed legally divorce his wife -- a move which is strongly disagreed with by BOTH sides of this debate.) Let me just rephrase this for how God sees all this since Cult_Fighter only cares about HIS view and NOT God's. (Hmmmmmm, ironically, that's what A LOT of this is all about....): "Dave Szazynski emerges to stand by his brother, Jesus, when his physical brother decides to rebel and sin against Jesus by forskaing his family, his wife, and God Himself. This is just what Jesus asked Dave and others to do in situations where a choice has to be made between someone blood related and following Him. [Insert every scripture Jesus ever utter concerning following Him here.] Dave wisely shows that he is more loyal to Jesus than to anyone else -- regardless of who they are, 'family' or not. Dave exposes Tim's propensity to live for himself and alienate other people from God by his example, and that this was and has been a prominent feature in Tim's life for a long, long time. From the time they were little -- well before ever meeting 'Mike Peters.' Dave correctly asserts, using the visual aid of a movie, Tim's totalitarian but basically loveless rule over his household, and how sickening it is that Tim still expects the 'loyality' of those around him, asking them to side with open, obvious, and rebellious sin, instead of siding with Jesus, which everyone has a first obligation to do, according to God, Jesus, Paul, John, Peter, and others so annointed by God." Oh, and PLEASE don't let Cult_Fighter's statement lead you to believe that he cares ONE IOTA about "divorce" or "family"!!!! Not with what he defends and postulates here on FactNet and most certainly not with the filth he watches at home privately (or so he thinks) and "reviews" and "recommends" to others, which would well divide any God loving family..... It's all documented on the internet, Cult_Fighter's perversions.... Oh!!! My bad again.... Cult_Fighter is still punching people with a BAG OVER HIS HEAD, so you can't verify what I am saying here..... That's too bad. :-( | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 221 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
9/18/2006: Chris O says that FactNet criticism of the Indy group is a “predecessor” to real, physical persecution. Well, indeed, let the reader judge for himself. What do you suppose people like this who defend sin and lie and fabricate and bribe (or try to) and tie millstones around children's and wive's necks.... What do you suppose people like that are capable of, hmmmmmm??? Well, I'll let YOU decide. Skipping ahead and not re-iterating stuff I've already posted tons about... Mostly stuff that gets under Cult_Fighter's skin. 9/27/2006: Dan Z posts Mike’s “marital sex is good” essay, but then forgets to address Mike’s “withholding affection” doctrine. And Cult_Fighter forgets to address the KINDS of people Mike suggests might not be deserving of affection for a while. As any pagan would conclude after long periods of bar-hopping, women chasing, child abandoning (potential molesting in some cases), and a list of serious sexually perverted sins and personality "bents" a mile long. One good "omission" deserves another, doesn't it, Alan? 9/28/2006: Mike’s “secret emails” discussion explodes! And is kept alive, even as late as this last week -- when no one's posted about it in a month -- by Cult_Fighter. This just drives this guy insane...! :-( Do I need to post about the bar-hopping, women chasing, divorce seeking, filthy-minded, perverted husbands AGAIN??? Okay I won't. Scroll up, readers.... | ||
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10/4/2006: The first “secret email to another man’s wife” is pointed out – ON MIKE’S WEBSITE (see his “Authority” teaching). Mike ends this email (to another man’s wife) with “Love, mike”. Huh....? I wonder if there were reasons why JESUS' ACCUSERS associated him with prostitutes and sinners, or if this way of "viewing" things was anything like the way Pharisees "viewed" Jesus when the woman came and -- very INTIMATELY, I might add -- washed Jesus feet with her hair. Or why the early Christians were often accused of being "perverted" and "incestuous"??? "They used the word 'Love' with.....!!!! Did you HEAR THAT????" Most of the guys in here act like a bunch of gossipy high school boys who take every word to mean something it's not. Or bunch of punk, bullying high school boys who KNOW GOOD A WELL what certain words mean in context, but because they are a bunch of THUGS who whip each other into a FRENZY before they grab some plumbing pipe and beat someone senseless due to their own blood thirstiness, they "twist" words to mean something they know good and well that it doesn't...... But asl ong as the "end justifies the means...." Meanwhile, maybe even Chuck Colson has some idea of women, love, and how Jesus treated women and loved them PROPERLY (without an IOTA of impurity), but people still thought He was "perverted." People who WANTED to believe such things. Interesting how perverted "suggestions" about Jesus and Mary Mag and illegitimate children persist even to this DAY, some even being skillful enough to go for the BIG MONEY and parlay those accusations into multi-million dollar movies: (Hopefully this link is still live): http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/charles_w_chuck_colson/2007/01/obviously_i_cannot_speak_for.html Skipping ahead again since the next 20 points are on Cult_Fighter's "favorite" but non-existant "peeve." 11/5/2006: “Skeza2505” emerges to tell her story of life in the cult – from a child’s point of view. She points out the over-emphasis in the cult on “sin, sin, sin”. Well... "Skeza" (rhymes with "Lisa") has a good reason for feeling that way since she and her family decided to continue living in obvious sins and loving the world. Hopefully all that has changed with them all, but judging from some places "skeza2505" signs in on the internet, sadly, it appears not... :-( | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 223 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
11/7/2006: Chris Olive tells Gottapost, Tim D, Jen, and others that they are going to Hell and that he’s anxious for that! Essentially, Chris is telling Mike Peters' critics to “Go to Hell!” Well, nooo.... That's "essentially" what Cult_Fighter "hears" and wants everyone to believe. Thers is a distinct difference between WISHING someone would "go to hell" and DELIGHTING in God and his children finally being VINDICATED, as David did. Again, read Psalms 58 very carefully. And other passages like them in the OT and NT. DELIGHTING in God's vindication (which will entail some going to everlasting punishment, and God lovers will be GLAD) while still "loving your enemies"????!!!! Wow. Only Jesus can be all those things all at once, huh??? It'll CONFOUND anyone else.... Like Cult_Fighter. There's still time, you know, Alan.... Skipping ahead, since all the "spankings" stuff and "abuse" is bunk too and is already covered in the threads. Cult_Fighter again just does a "white man's" timeline here.... :-( 11/7/2006: “Sigh” (Mike Peters?) goes to A NEW LOW when he appears to attack an 8-year-old girl (Lisa) for “very serious sexual sin” committed years ago, when she was a child. He further tries to intimidate her by threatening to “arrange a polygraph test”. (Lisa explains this “sin” was a mutually-consented-to childish game -- long-ago confessed, repented of, and forgiven by God). One thing you'll notice here, readers, here and in a ZILLION other places.... None of the accusers on this thread really cares a lick about sin or what it does or the consequences (some of which they have experienced -- oh my! THAT'S that this is about!!!! Ohhhhhh!!!!!), or how it makes ***GOD*** feel, or ANYTHING like that. Notice the "quotes" around the word "sin" above..... See, this whole thing is about a HOLY and RIGHTEOUS and EXPECTANT GOD!!!!!!!! "Sin" is only a "theory" with these people. IF someone were to do something super horrendous... like act "unChristlike" and CONFRONT someone.... then.... THEN!!!! it's SIN. But people can sleep around, or wish they could, bar hop, and all the other stuff I've mentioned countless times that the accusers THEMSELVES engage in or HAVE engaged in AT THE TIME THEY DRAW FROM THEIR SO CALLED ACCUSATIONS, and it's all "water under the bridge" and they quote a brand of "cheap grace" that wouldn't even have cost Christ a hang nail. And it's IMPOSSIBLE to get them to see the absolute relevance of things they WERE DOING since these who accuse draw their "testimonies" from the times they were engaged in their various forms of prostitution, being it prositution with the world, with fantasizes, with money, or fame, or ambition, or literal prostitution (in some cases.) Skipping ahead.... | ||
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11/16/2006: “Redm1sk”, another victim, emerges to tell her sad story. She says her still-in-the-cult daughter is totally withholding affection (and contact) from her. Most alarming, she tells of when Mike Peters told his followers to “keep your passports current and ready”. "RedMask" (Sandy) emerges to slander and bear-false witness. I think I've got this "cowboy and indian" history telling thing down pat, Cult_Fighter.... :-( 11/25/2006: Tim Dennis lists 6 websites used for the Mike Peters group's recruiting. Law #7 of the "Law of Eight" that the accusers in here adhere to in "rules of en-gag-ment"... "Only report those thing that make them look like THEY are the cult. Don't by any means mention that WE are putting up web site after web site and blog after blog, with TERMENDOUS energy to make sure our sites sit at the top of Google search results, about Mike Peters and trying to recruit people to our point of view. Don't say a WORD about the fact they there are an equal if greater number of places WE OURSELVES have created to make sure people get a whiff of the pantheon of lies we've constructed -- just us handful of '10 angry men' -- to try and DESTROY that which has caused us so much harm." I think YOU have this "cowboy and indian" retelling of history down pat, Cult_Fighter.... We'll keep skipping the redundant parts... 12/6/2006: “Baxter”, “Nintai”, First_Truth”, and Jen E’s anonymous friend conduct discussion on the group's practice of judging each other’s thoughts, on leaven, and the group's "caste system". Yes, sadly a few more anonymous talking heads show up. Completely shaking their fists at God and how HE said to handle things by STEPPING FORWARD with REAL NAMES and the TRUTH instead of trumped up charges. For all you history buffs out there.... Have you EVER NOTICED how "trumped up charges" and "anonymous talking heads" kinda "go together" throughout history. Have you ever noticed the two most prevalent tactics used by satan in trying to bring down God's kingdom? (1) Throw rocks from the shadows. No names, no truth, no justice, no "due process." Hang 'em and ask questions later. OR....! (2) Be bold enough and pretentious enough to state your name (as Jen and Dennis Elslager do and did) but then SCREAM FOUL loud enough and terrorize people enough to make them believe you. Tactic 1 is used by the cowardly and Tactic 2 is used by the brazen and those without a conscience. In the case of the later and Dennis and Jen, we find that there are some who sniff them out. And of course.... pay the price. "Indianapolis" isn't the only ones, by the way. (Some grew so tired of the Elslager's brazen "bullying" and use of the internet to "take people hostage" that they actually relentent to SUING the Elslagers, a show of force the only thing these demonic creatures of instinct understand.) | ||
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Note: This was Chris Olive’s last post. Apparently, he was told by his superiors to log off. SURPRISE!!! :-) :-( Oh, bummer.... I forgot to ask Mike again, like I did all the other times I posted 100% in my own because I know from first hand experience what you guys are all about, if I could post. It's unnerving isn't it, to think that maybe, just maybe all the "control" was just about your SINS, and that Indianapolis and Columbus (and a zillion other places we know) is about an army of people rising who know Jesus WELL and aren't going to put up with clear and open sin and willful REBELLION while carrying the CLOAK of PRETENSE and "Jesus' name tag" while you fleece the flock. That's pretty disconcerting, isn't it? How a normal average WOMAN, Tim Dennis, could see through your charade of pretense and wanting to "teach and lead" people, while it was and still is obvious that you life is STILL in the grip of perverted, lusty, sensual game playing, movie watching, and who knows what else. (Documentable on the internet, folks.....) Ohhhh, so THAT'S what this is about....!!! :-( It's tremedously HARD isn't it to know from which direction the gale force wind will blow unless you become LIKE the wind, isn't it? I'm not try to play "proud" here, readers, only let you know that a unified group of people who DON'T need "instruction" (as John said) and who don't need "control" and who DON'T need to "check in" but can SEE, SEE, **SEE** through these kind of garbaged, pretentious lives, is TERRIFYING to these people. Not to mention "incomprehensible." But it's what Jesus always wanted and is EVERY MAN'S DESTINY (including THEIRS, if they would live HUMBLY instead of PRIDEFULLY). 12/15/2006: Mike Peters' critics say only good things about Kathy Peters. But continue to crucify her "one flesh" in her husband. Huh? And I thought you guys were "advocates" of strong families and marriages and not dividing? I'm confused.... :-( Is this any kind of clue to the CONFUSION these guys have in their hearts and minds regarding Jesus, Love, Family, Marriage, TRUE Submission (and not this slavery and allowance of sin that is CALLED "submission"), Truth, Fellowship, Disfellowship, etc.? | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 226 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
12/17/2006: Paul & Missy (Indy group apologists) begin “What is Slander?” discussion, which ends up pointing right back at Mike Peters. Wow, I wonder how THAT happened? Skipping ahead over more talking heads (some are "sock puppets" that have taken on new identities now)... We continue what is actually GROWTH in the "anonymous accusations" and rock throwing. Kinda hard for people to know the validity of these lives and testimonies or even the truth of them when they DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, isn't it??? Ohhhhhh, but THAT'S THE POINT, isn't it??? Ironic, when this church was originally crucified initially for being so 'anonymous" (but then they have 6 web sites, supposedly according to Tim Dennis, and they ALL have contact information on them.) Oh well, more evidence of that "rules of en-gag-ment" I've been telling you about (and you really didn't need me to -- it's do OBVIOUS to anyone with half-an-ounce of God inside of them.) 12/26/2006: Denny E points out that Mike Peters promotes a movie (“The Matrix”) that was inspired by Buddhism. But no mention of the "inspiration" for some of the movies, games and forms of "entertainment" (we'll just call it "that" for now) that many of these accusers watch and ENJOY. ***ENJOY***. Yet what the people in Indianapolis "got out" of that movie (in VERY edited form!!!) was and is CLEARLY documented at http://www.NeedAnExit.com And I don't WANT to hear about what you are "getting out" of your sensual game, movie, and internet time. And no need to indicate the "inspiration" for those, do we???? Skipping ahead.... 1/3/2007: Tim D posts the story from another victim. Tim gleefully postulates another "anonymous rock thrower" as a "victim." No idea whether it's made up, or someone angry and bitter as these guys are (but of course deny...!), or anything else about their lives AGAIN. Character doesn't matter. Whether someone is ACTUALLY and VERIFIABLY faithful to God in their witness doesn't matter. Tim paints his sickening web site as a "place so the world will know" but no one really does know, do they, Tim???? | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 227 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
1/10/2007: Tim D posts letter from Gene Fredette, who knew Mike Peters before he came to Indianapolis. Tells that Mike “ruined” his past church in Vermont. Well, I've been out of the loop for a while, haven't I? Well, "Gene" originally posted on Rick Ross's rigged web site (where people can be attacked, but if you "get there first" and someone tries to attack YOU, then that person is BANNED by Rick and his rwisted sense of "justice" -- so much for being a "cult" expert when he won't allow "the other side of the story" to be told. Anyone believe God when he says men are WICKED TO THE CORE and PERVERTED??? Anyone understand why David CRIED within his bones for God's JUSTICE to be metted out to the oppressed and those treated unfairly and unjsutly by proud and arrogant men who postualte themselves as "experts" like Rick???) Well, the Truth of Mike's "exit" from Vermont was that the elders BEGGED him to stay. Of COURSE, as we can see here, there were SOME there who obviously didn't like Mike. But I would say that the expression of there "opinions" doesn't necessarily paint the full picture and is just that --- their OPINIONS. And doesn't necessarily mean that thay was EVERYONE'S opinion of Mike there and during that time. In fact, I would say that the ELDERS of that church -- one an executive with GE and one and executive with IBM -- ***PROBABLY*** represents the view of the MAJORITY in the church at that time, and is decided NOT the same as Gene's. Incidentally, you guessed it... Not that there is a need to "find dirt" on anyone -- only a need to be Truthful about motives so OTHER PEOPLE can judge for themselves.... There is a REASON for Gene's "disgust" for Mike. See Gene's "persuasion," as I understand it is described in Romans 1. Kind of a "deeply dark" sin that is rapidly gripping our nation at all levels. So Gene's got a good reason to not like Mike and make it "seem like" EVERYONE didn't like Mike, and he just doesn't want to "come out of the closet" with the real reasons why. Sorry folks, but you all asked for this stuff. Nobody had to wrote a WORD about Dennis, or Tim, or Mike, or Gene or ANYONE. But if you want to discuss WHY you were thrown out of a church, then we ARE now discussing WHY. :-( Blame some of your so-called "cult expert" friends too, who are now long gone (Aging_Mom, FYI, and others) for stroking the fire. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 228 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
1/17/2007: “Rob W” emerges to tell of how he became aware, upon careful investigation, the Mike Peters-led group was a cult. Rob sees a few things like someone watching a football game through a picket fence, and suddenly he's "on to something" and very unwisely posts slander (which he will one day have to answer for.) No one here is disputing that the folks in Indy build a different way. Just because something strikes you as "weird" doesn't mean it's unGodly or a cult. If you want to know the Truth, God says that from our perspectives, HE is "weird." That's how he ought to strike us sometimes. Most people thought Jesus was weird and completely off his rocker. You lie if you can read the NT and not think that some things are just "weird" that Jesus said or did (or you aren't putting yourself into those situations or you are naive.) Again, Rob sees a few things through a picket fence -- and he himself mentions people anonymously -- and suddenly someone's a "cult." And Augusta Harding has NO IDEA what she is talking about. I know of other Godly men in other places who totally disagree with her and her husband. And if Augusta and her husband "deal" like the other "expert" Rick Ross, well, it's no wonder.... I'm confident Rob would NEVER put up with testimony like this about HIS group in Indy -- with people taking stabs them based on things that they have "seen" in spotty situations. But he apparently thinks whereever there is "smoke" there is "fire" just because a few things struck him as "weird." That's too bad. 1/18/2007: Karl (former friend of Tim D) logs in to attack Tim and defend the Columbus group. Weirdly, he accuses Elizabeth N of “murder”. Boy, that testimony os worth reading again and sounds amazingly like what Dan Z. had been trying to say -- that Tim Dennis is and was an IMPOSTER and had absolutely NOTHING TO DO with the Columbus church. Notice how by a few posts after Karl's posting, it's back to "business as usual" and Karl's post is essentially "ignored." 1/19/2007: “Cult_fighter” strongly refutes Karl’s “facts” with 7 well-established facts about the evils of Mike Peters and his cult. Cult_Fighter only recites all the lies he and others have been stating all along and used the word "FACTS" when he describes them. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 229 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
1/22/2007: “Mike Peters & Jim Jones: Ten Similarities” is posted. Clearly, Peters and Jones have many scary resemblances. Hey guys, c'mon...!! You left out the part where I describe all the similarities between you guys and Korah, Balaam, Jannes and Cain (who was a MURDERER, so maybe Karl_B was right after all in mentioning that since that's how God sees this kind of thing... Hmmmmmmm?????). Jude 8-16, 2 Peter 2, 3 Timothy 2, Nehemiah, etc. You know, I watched the same documentary, Cult_Fighter, and there are NO SIMILARIES between Mike and JJ. NONE. JJ was very obviously a filthy, sexually perverted, deviant child molseter that actually fits more in line with some of the lifestyles of the accusers in here than he does in any way Mike Peters. Also the fact that he desired prominence and a following and money and worship, adoration and attention is WAY more like many in here, MOST ESPECIALLY DENNIS ELSLAGER and TIM DENNIS -- and that is what this is ALL about -- than it does anyone in Indianapolis or Columbus. No one in Indianapolis or Columbus would have anything to DO with someone like JJ, which again segways perfectly into why they didn't want to have anything to do with you guys and your fake alter calls (praticing to be like someone like JJ, Dennis????), and seduction of women and teenage girls and the like that everyone could see through from a mile away. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 230 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
2/13/2007: Discussion on Indy group's version of evangelism. Conclusion is they don’t reach out to the truly “lost”, but only to the “lost sheep” – Christians in other (attendance-based) churches. Oh boy... :-( Every member of the body in the Indianapolis [and Columbus and other people in relationship with others there] take very seriously, every day, their relationship to the unsaved and beckoning them into the Kindgom of God. There is seldom a single meal eaten without a complete unbeliever's name mentioned or situation brought before God like that amongst many such meals taking place three times daily -- brothers gathering for lunch downtown or in other places often, sisters at home praying for the co-workers of husbands and people they meet while out shopping, etc. So the occurance of that kind of thing probably takes place in every member's home or lunch or dinner situation daily. That means 10, 20 or 30 or more sitations every day since there aren't just a handful of the "10% committed" working on "evangelism" in the church there, but everyone [including every single teenager -- 100%!!] takes that kind of thing seriously. Often cards are left laying around, cashiers are engaged in conversations about their souls, and any number of other things like that happen DAILY all over the city. This church has their eyes and hearts on the unsaved and unbelievers always, ready to open up about God's good news but yet completely "unevangelical" in the sense that they "push" anything. "As if God were making His appeal through us" is the redemptive attitude in every situation. This recent slanderous and hateful allegation states that the All At His Feet web site is the only "portal" into their lives and that it only deals with people already in "church building" situations. Again, it's so obvious on the very first page of that web site that that is NOT the case, that again, it makes it clear that people who make such allegations have only one agenda in mind and that is to try and slander and tear down something that threatens them and that they cannot see or comprehend with their blind "eyes" and stopped up "ears" and Jesus stated. The very first and front page of the All At His Feet web site states SPECIFICALLY the following or two different sections -- those who haven't yet fallen at Jesus' feet, so obviously geared COMPLETELY to unbelievers, and those who have. So again, the accusations are only coming from hateful, threatened, ugly people with no life in Christ when it's OBVIOUS from the front page that that is most certainly NOT the case as well as how I know from living there how every single member conducts himself with respect to the lost. There is seldom a meal eaten, a bathroom break taken, or a trip taken where materials and conversations aren't left in every place possible, entreating the lost. And this is to say nothing of the fact that the number of web sites they have that deal with the lost out number the sites they do have appealing to existing "church goers" 2.5 to 1. That's more than double. It's saddening beyond description the depths some people [again only the same handful, out banging their pots to sound "bigger"] will go to to discredit others and who could care less how many people they take down into the pit with themselves by their outlandish and hate-filled lies. :-( Their "spirits" speak volumes. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 231 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
2/27/2007: Wirklichmir reappears without checking with Mike again (oh dear!) and posts the Truth about Cult_Fighter's twisted, preverted and LONG "white man re-writing of history" concerning the activity of this forum. Well, see y'all again in 6 months or whenever... :-( ChrisO wirklichmir144@yahoo.com PS. You're an evil, wicked, prideful, arrogant and very deceived man, Cult_Fighter... :-( | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Chris, we still love you and are praying for you daily. Jen If we were ever sued, amazingly, no one bothered to tell us about it. Do you have some court documentation of this? joythruChrist@gmail.com | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 341 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Chris, I’ll read more of your words later when I can. What I have read makes me want to pray more for you and I will. For now, I will say that God has been faithful to give us a greater love for you even after this kind of thing you choose to do. May you know His Love in Truth and be free from this bondage which you express to us here. denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| genefredette New member Username: genefredette Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.142.130.39 |
Chris O: I have one word that describes you. LIAR. You do not even know me and you have the nerve to try and slander me. What kind of so called Christian are you? As far as your veiled and cowardly insinuation about my sexual orientation tell that to my wife of 20 years and two children. As far as that lie about the elders they were glad to see Mike go also. I guess they are gay too. You need to repent of your wickedness before something happens to you. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 110 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Gene: You don't understand. You committed the "unpardonable sin" -- you criticized Mike Peters. If you commit THAT sin (shudder!), you are probably guilty of everything else -- wife beating, porn-watching, and you even hate "the very life of Jesus". All because you don't agree with Mike Peters. To illustrate, Chris knows very little about the life or morality of me, Gottapost, or Jen -- and yet he's sure we're all going to Hell. Why? Because we've criticized Mike Peters. And if you look at Chris's 2/27/2007 2:27am (!!) post -- he 'DELIGHTS IN" the idea of our going to Hell. Sure sounds like a "Go to Hell" to me! The reason it's SO evil to criticize Mike Peters is because Mike is a Jesus image to these folks. Look at Chris's 2:26am post: In the discussion of Mike ending emails to other men's wives with "Love, mike", Chris justifies it by equating Mike Peters to Jesus. Of course Jesus wasn't saying "Love, jesus" to wives who no longer would say "I love you" to their very own husbands! In Islam they say: "There is one God, Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet". Then they essentially worship both Allah and Mohammed. If you criticize Mohammed, a death sentence can be placed on you. Just ask those Danish cartoonists. Equivalently, the Peterite world's motto is: There is one God and Mike Peters is His prophet" -- and God help you if you criticize His prophet!! Finally, Gene, please leave the "before something happens to you" or "you're going to Hell" to the Peterites. Let THEM do the self-righteous judging. That's THEIR cultic nature. Also, I'm not so sure that Chris Olive is either a liar or wicked. He's simply a brain-washed "tool", used by Mike Peters to accomplish his evil goals. The evil things that Chris posted about you, Gene, I'm sure he got directly from Mike! | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.77.157.81 |
For all those out there who aren't familiar with this whole situation: Chris O does not know me or my husband, he never met us. We never confided in him. Many others he accuses can say the same (like Gene F.) and yet he posts things about us all. ??? Where does he get this "information"? Does this seem redemptive? Why would the leaders share anything about ex-members with him is so sad. Is this strange to anyone else? I want to encourage those who have dealt with pornography (or any other area of sin that Chris O and others want to bring up in an unredemptive way). Whether you were/are the addicted or the spouse. I want you to know there is hope! That God can and does heal! My husband needed to repent and he has. God's kindness leads us to repentence. I didn't help my husband until I could encourage him by God's grace. He needed to believe that God would accept him and wash him. This wasn't until I left the group. My "withholding affection" did not help!!! God reminded me of who I was without HIS Grace, that is when I could encourage my husband in true humility. And thankfully I was delivered from fear and control. My husband never would or did harm my children. That was trumpted up fear from me when I was under the legalistic and fear based teachings of Mike Peters and I had no reason to think he would ever hurt my children. I was hurt by his sin with pornography. Through my exagerated fear I told a few ladies about my husband's abusive childhhod. That is what turned into all these accusations from a stranger over four years later. The saddest part yet is that Chris O and others don't have the faith to believe God is big enough to heal and deliver anyone outside their group. Oh, and yes my husband is a truck driver, but I am not sure why Chris O feels that is a mark against him??? Please let's pray for all of them. It is easy to be hurt and offended. I have to pray for them and guard my heart. Any questions or if you want to contact me or my husband: enelson8735@yahoo.com Chris O you can contact us too if you want to talk about anything one on one. I would really like to talk to you personally about this. | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.77.157.81 |
For all those out there who aren't familiar with this whole situation: Chris O does not know me or my husband, he never met us. We never confided in him. Many others he accuses can say the same (like Gene F.) and yet he posts things about us all. ??? Where does he get this "information"? Does this seem redemptive? Why would the leaders share anything about ex-members with him is so sad. Is this strange to anyone else? I want to encourage those who have dealt with pornography (or any other area of sin that Chris O and others want to bring up in an unredemptive way). Whether you were/are the addicted or the spouse. I want you to know there is hope! That God can and does heal! My husband needed to repent and he has. God's kindness leads us to repentence. I didn't help my husband until I could encourage him by God's grace. He needed to believe that God would accept him and wash him. This wasn't until I left the group. My "withholding affection" did not help!!! God reminded me of who I was without HIS Grace, that is when I could encourage my husband in true humility. And thankfully I was delivered from fear and control. My husband never would or did harm my children. That was trumpted up fear from me when I was under the legalistic and fear based teachings of Mike Peters and I had no reason to think he would ever hurt my children. I was hurt by his sin with pornography. Through my exagerated fear I told a few ladies about my husband's abusive childhhod. That is what turned into all these accusations from a stranger over four years later. The saddest part yet is that Chris O and others don't have the faith to believe God is big enough to heal and deliver anyone outside their group. Oh, and yes my husband is a truck driver, but I am not sure why Chris O feels that is a mark against him??? Please let's pray for all of them. It is easy to be hurt and offended. I have to pray for them and guard my heart. Any questions or if you want to contact me or my husband: enelson8735@yahoo.com Chris O you can contact us too if you want to talk about anything one on one. I would really like to talk to you personally about this. | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.77.157.81 |
For all those out there who aren't familiar with this whole situation: Chris O does not know me or my husband, he never met us. We never confided in him. Many others he accuses can say the same (like Gene F.) and yet he posts things about us all. ??? Where does he get this "information"? Does this seem redemptive? Why the leaders share anything about ex-members with him is so sad. Is this strange to anyone else? I want to encourage those who have dealt with pornography (or any other area of sin that Chris O and others want to bring up in an unredemptive way). Whether you were/are the addicted or the spouse. I want you to know there is hope! That God can and does heal! My husband needed to repent and he has. God's kindness leads us to repentence. I didn't help my husband until I could encourage him by God's grace. He needed to believe that God would accept him and wash him. This wasn't until I left the group. My "withholding affection" did not help!!! God reminded me of who I was without HIS Grace, that is when I could encourage my husband in true humility. And thankfully I was delivered from fear and control. My husband never would or did harm my children. That was trumpted up fear from me when I was under the legalistic and fear based teachings of Mike Peters and I had no reason to think he would ever hurt my children. I was hurt by his sin with pornography. Through my exagerated fear I told a few ladies about my husband's abusive childhhod. That is what turned into all these accusations from a stranger over four years later. The saddest part yet is that Chris O and others don't have the faith to believe God is big enough to heal and deliver anyone outside their group. Oh, and yes my husband is a truck driver, but I am not sure why Chris O feels that is a mark against him??? Please let's pray for all of them. It is easy to be hurt and offended. I have to pray for them and guard my heart. Any questions or if you want to contact me or my husband: enelson8735@yahoo.com Chris O you can contact us too if you want to talk about anything one on one. I would really like to talk to you personally about this. | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.77.157.81 |
sorry about the double post-- I think there was an error.........Elizabeth | ||
| genefredette New member Username: genefredette Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.142.130.39 |
Cult Fighter: I agree with you. I was mostly speaking out of shock and a little anger. I just could not believe that someone like this would stoop so low. I will take your advice. It is good. I am very familiar with Mike and am aware of his wiles. He is so confused. I will pray for him also. He has to prey on weak minds like Chris in order to hide his sin and shame from others. How sad it must be to be a puppet of unrighteousness. I am very sorry that all of you are going through this. I know you are all free and pray that the Lord blesses you and others for defending him and exposing this wickedness. God bless you my friend and peace be with you. | ||
| genefredette New member Username: genefredette Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.142.130.39 |
Elizabeth: Your words are good. You are free. You are forgiven. Mike is just a man who likes to control others unrighteously. He was like this when I knew him when he tried to split the church in So. Burlington, Vt. and stole the young people. I am glad for you and your husband. God's grace and peace to you also. | ||
| scannyd Junior Member Username: scannyd Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Since Chris so abundantly states over and over again how horrible it would be to go to our houses I thought I would fill you in on our home. First, Tim is the best father I have ever seen. He loves his children and plays with them whenever possible, he corrects them when they need correcting. Second, he is a wonderful husband. I am very grateful that he is mine! God knew what he was doing when he put us together. So if anyone wants to come over and see what we do I am afraid you would be rather disappointed after Chris' lecture. Our usual evenings consist of dinner, clean up, and then maybe playtime(as Tim and the children are doing right now), reading, watching a video or running errands. Some bad stuff here I know but we just cannot help it  We love our children! As far as all these sensual movies and video games, we are very careful to purchase and play or watch safe videos or games. Chris seems to have some issue with a game Tim reviewed on amazon, which if he knew anything about had 90-95% animal characters. I have yet to see a sensual animal.  He has mentioned it several times so I thought I would address it. Oh yes and one more thing.... lay off the racial stuff Chris. You are speaking to more than one family who consists of non-white persons. I doubt you even know what racism is even like. It may be offensive to some but at the very least it is not tactful. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 342 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
This is for the newcomers to be aware of something here. I wish to establish the link between Chris Olive and Mike Peters. By doing this all may know of the kind of person Michael H Peters must be to permit or originate the disposition or spirit of such statements as those coming from Chris Olive. I believe it may be an appropriate time to remember the connection and consent between Mike Peters and Chris Olive so that all may realize that what Chris says can be shown to receive sanction from Mike Peters, the leader of this group which has been in question for some time now. And when I say “time” I do not mean 1 year ago. I mean many, many years ago back in the early 90’s. when Families Against Cults (FAC) of Indiana established that Michael H Peters was known to be cultic in his behavior and practices. And many people at that time gave witness to this then as well. And as we see now from Gene Fredette it goes way back much further than we first thought in the beginning of this exposure of Michael Peters on FACTNet. I believe this past year has been a result of God’s Word which promises to all of us, INCLUDING MICHAEL H. PETERS… “Be sure your sin will find you out” and “but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all”. Just like the word "DOCUMENT" Chris Olive would like to falsely wear out these Scriptures on us when the truth of these words are against them. It is just terribly sad that Mike must hide behind other’s fictitious sins in a desperate attempt to hide his own real sins from others as he tenaciously continues in the practice of them. More and more people have been testifying to this even to this day. We have clearly seen what the lordship and practices of Mike Peters can produce in individuals taken by Mike’s teachings and practices as we look into Chris Olive’s words here once again. If all Chris posted here in times past --supposedly-- from those in Indy is truly from Indy as stated by Chris then the connection is clear. It can --and I believe should-- be clearly established by facts here that Mike Peters has used Chris Olive to speak for his (Mike's) own wife (though I hesitate to believe she would say those things of her own doing)as Chris stated in the following post link said to be from Mike’s wife. Chris' post: “Mike's wife's response to the allegations made by this "Anonymous" person on Tim Dennis' sickening slander web site: http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/26259.html?1167090823#POST369661 ” The above was posting done via Chris Olive known here as “wirklichmir”. Either this sanctioning from Mike Peters is true or Chris Olive is also lying about this matter of posting for them. If the latter were the case then either Mike doesn’t know of this (which is extremely doubtful) or he doesn’t even care that Chris is lying about him and his “church” as well by Chris' saying that they are posting these things via him. This would be extremely irresponsible for someone who claims leadership. This is a "document" given to show the evidence that Chris Olive has Mike Peters’ approval here by having his wife --supposedly-- speak for him via Chris. What man would trust another so much so to let his wife speak through him? And what is this “Chris is the only permitted spokesmen for Mike and Indy” thing? Are you yet alone, Chris? Does any man in Indy even have the courage to answer us if we are sooo wrong yet? Why have you sanctioned a self-admitted excommunicated man to speak for your "church"? What does it say of you? (Message edited by speakingtruth on February 27, 2007) | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 111 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
One thing that Chris and I DO agree on: If you have any doubts about the TRUTH of what's happened here on FactNet, go back and read the actual postings yourself. Use the "guide" at the top of this thread and refer to the Date I've given you. One reason I posted this "Timeline" was to make clear the MOUNTAIN of evidence that now speaks against Mike Peters and his cult. Chris Olive, on the other hand, is asking you to believe that ALL of Maleman, Denny, Jen, First_Truth, Ultimatetruthseeker, Gottapost, Shammah, Tim D, Mike R, Tim Sz, Danielle, Elizabeth N, Threeseas, Lisa, Redm1sk, Nintai, Baxter, Anonymous, Sofia, Gene F, Rob W, myself, and a few others -- we're ALL lying about everything, while his holy Mike Peters is absolutely "pure as the wind-driven snow". OK, if you want to believe that over 20 different people are totally lying -- then you're a good recruit for this cult. God help you, if you're married!! The other thing I hope the Timeline makes clear is the Peterite tactic of viciously attacking their critics -- in an attempt to "blackmail them into silence", as Workadmin put it. Look at all of the 20+ victims' posts above -- and almost immediately you'll see a "Chris attacks _____" or sometimes "Mike attacks _____". It's a clear trend! | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 112 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
One thing that Chris and I DO agree on: If you have any doubts about the TRUTH of what's happened here on FactNet, go back and read the actual postings yourself. Use the "guide" at the top of this thread and refer to the Date I've given you. One reason I posted this "Timeline" was to make clear the MOUNTAIN of evidence that now speaks against Mike Peters and his cult. Chris Olive, on the other hand, is asking you to believe that ALL of Maleman, Denny, Jen, First_Truth, Ultimatetruthseeker, Gottapost, Shammah, Tim D, Mike R, Tim Sz, Danielle, Elizabeth N, Threeseas, Lisa, Redm1sk, Nintai, Baxter, Anonymous, Sofia, Gene F, Rob W, myself, and a few others -- we're ALL lying about everything, while his holy Mike Peters is absolutely "pure as the wind-driven snow". OK, if you want to believe that over 20 different people are totally lying -- then you're a good recruit for this cult. God help you, if you're married!! The other thing I hope the Timeline makes clear is the Peterite tactic of viciously attacking their critics -- in an attempt to "blackmail them into silence", as Workadmin put it. Look at all of the 20+ victims' posts above -- and almost immediately you'll see a "Chris attacks _____" or sometimes "Mike attacks _____". It's a clear trend! | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 113 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
One thing that Chris and I DO agree on: If you have any doubts about the TRUTH of what's happened here on FactNet, go back and read the actual postings yourself. Use the "guide" at the top of this thread and refer to the Date I've given you. One reason I posted this "Timeline" was to make clear the MOUNTAIN of evidence that now speaks against Mike Peters and his cult. Chris Olive, on the other hand, is asking you to believe that ALL of Maleman, Denny, Jen, First_Truth, Ultimatetruthseeker, Gottapost, Shammah, Tim D, Mike R, Tim Sz, Danielle, Elizabeth N, Threeseas, Lisa, Redm1sk, Nintai, Baxter, Anonymous, Sofia, Gene F, Rob W, myself, and a few others -- we're ALL lying about everything, while his holy Mike Peters is absolutely "pure as the wind-driven snow". OK, if you want to believe that over 20 different people are totally lying -- then you're a good recruit for this cult. God help you, if you're married!! The other thing I hope the Timeline makes clear is the Peterite tactic of viciously attacking their critics -- in an attempt to "blackmail them into silence", as Workadmin put it. Look at all of the 20+ victims' posts above -- and almost immediately you'll see a "Chris attacks _____" or sometimes "Mike attacks _____". It's a clear trend! | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 208.53.131.160 |
wirk:“No one needs to know the details of their actual home lives now because through the internet, they can fulfill their insatiable desire for a following of men.” Allathisfeet, needanexit, housechurch, yourkingdomcome, all links to a man, Mike Peters. He is the ONE that all the others who follow him MUST concede to before they do anything. Unless they go to one of his DNA rep's, who then go to him. He is the head, the ONE the people look to. Someone is always waiting to talk to Mike. Even though they haven’t grown much physically since the influx in the beginning, the ones who have been with him since the early days STILL sit at his feet, waiting to hear something that god has “whispered in his ear”. ”He speaks as a god and not a man!” If you go to sites of men who "walk in the light" and have nothing to hide or protect (i.e. Focus on the Family, John MacArthur, etc.) and email them, chances are you probably will get someone other than James Dobson or John MacArthur or ?. | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.159.5.132 |
wirk:“Spiritual ambition without the reality in their lives to DEMONSTRATE that they should be leaders -- as the BIBLE COMMANDS -- is why these men were asked to leave or were never really integrated in the FIRST PLACE.” There was a book that someone in Indy came across, TO ENJOY HIM FOREVER by Malcolm Webber. People seemed to like the book. Then Mike said Malcolm’s life didn’t measure up to what was written in that book. Malcolm had sent several books at NO COST to the people in Indy to freely pass around. I don’t even think his material was copy righted, there is no copy right info in my copy. But, because Mike said (who seems to be the groups only "reliable" source of information) that this guy wasn’t living what he wrote in the book, Indy people were tearing out the page that had the author’s address info before they would give it to someone. I don’t know how Mike became an expert into Malcolm’s life, as he seems to become in most he meets. My point is, be careful readers of this man who does not make HIMSELF accountable to others as to whether or not HE should be a leader. Just because someone might SOUND good, as Mike demonstrated in the above illustration with Malcolm, doesn’t mean he IS. Regardless of what anyone says, he has web pages and you can contact him and you can “test” him on many of the things that have been pointed out here on factnet and Families Against Cults in Indiana and www.indianapoliscult.com. Just because the people he lords over and have fear of him say “good” things, what do those outside the church say of this man? We are told … 1 Tim 3:2-10 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. {He must be} one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), {and} not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. And he must have a good reputation with those outside {the church,} so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. ¶ Deacons likewise {must be} men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain, {but} holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. THESE MEN MUST ALSO FIRST BE TESTED; then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach. wirk: “the rest of this last year is simply their angry responses and agenda and vendetta of revenge for some people where able to see through their thin venere of "spirituality" rather easily“ I “think” readers, that it will become obvious WHO has the angry responses. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 114 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Chris, you now have established that you are watching this site. So, by the "Rules of Engagement" (as you call them), let's make it clear -- IF someone asks you a direct question and you refuse to answer, it means that you have NO answer. Right? Here's a question for you, but first the setup: You seem to be saying that all of your 20+ FactNet critics (including me) are going Hell (and you DELIGHT in that) -- why, because we are criticizing God's man, Mike Peters, and his ministry in Indianapolis. How DARE we criticize what "God is doing"!! Well, let's also establish that Dr. James Dobson and his "Focus on the Family" is clearly a God-ordained, God-used ministry. Anyone disagree? In fact, even if you don't think the Peterites are a cult, it's abundantly clear that Dr. Dobson does MORE for the Kingdom of God every year than Mike Peters could do in a lifetime! Right? SOOOO, when I go Mike's "yourkingdomcome" website and do a search on "focus on the family", I find at least SEVEN (7) instances where Mr. Mike Peters openly criticizes Dobson's ministry. In one case he MOCKS Dobson, calling him "Jimmy D". So, Chris, here's the question: IF we are all going to Hell for criticizing Peters and his ministry -- by extension, shouldn't Mike Peters ALSO be Hell-bound for criticizing an even MORE valid God-ordained ministry??? Hmmmm? | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 115 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Chris, you now have established that you are watching this site. So, by the "Rules of Engagement" (as you call them), let's make it clear -- IF someone asks you a direct question and you refuse to answer, it means that you have NO answer. Right? Here's a question for you, but first the setup: You seem to be saying that all of your 20+ FactNet critics (including me) are going Hell (and you DELIGHT in that) -- why, because we are criticizing God's man, Mike Peters, and his ministry in Indianapolis. How DARE we criticize what "God is doing"!! Well, let's also establish that Dr. James Dobson and his "Focus on the Family" is clearly a God-ordained, God-used ministry. Anyone disagree? In fact, even if you don't think the Peterites are a cult, it's abundantly clear that Dr. Dobson does MORE for the Kingdom of God every year than Mike Peters could do in a lifetime! Right? SOOOO, when I go Mike's "yourkingdomcome" website and do a search on "focus on the family", I find at least SEVEN (7) instances where Mr. Mike Peters openly criticizes Dobson's ministry. In one case he MOCKS Dobson, calling him "Jimmy D". So, Chris, here's the question: IF we are all going to Hell for criticizing Peters and his ministry -- by extension, shouldn't Mike Peters ALSO be Hell-bound for criticizing an even MORE valid God-ordained ministry??? Hmmmm? | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 116 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Chris, you now have established that you are watching this site. So, by the "Rules of Engagement" (as you call them), let's make it clear -- IF someone asks you a direct question and you refuse to answer, it means that you have NO answer. Right? Here's a question for you, but first the setup: You seem to be saying that all of your 20+ FactNet critics (including me) are going Hell (and you DELIGHT in that) -- why, because we are criticizing God's man, Mike Peters, and his ministry in Indianapolis. How DARE we criticize what "God is doing"!! Well, let's also establish that Dr. James Dobson and his "Focus on the Family" is clearly a God-ordained, God-used ministry. Anyone disagree? In fact, even if you don't think the Peterites are a cult, it's abundantly clear that Dr. Dobson does MORE for the Kingdom of God every year than Mike Peters could do in a lifetime! Right? SOOOO, when I go Mike's "yourkingdomcome" website and do a search on "focus on the family", I find at least SEVEN (7) instances where Mr. Mike Peters openly criticizes Dobson's ministry. In one case he MOCKS Dobson, calling him "Jimmy D". So, Chris, here's the question: IF we are all going to Hell for criticizing Peters and his ministry -- by extension, shouldn't Mike Peters ALSO be Hell-bound for criticizing an even MORE valid God-ordained ministry??? Hmmmm? | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 117 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Chris, you now have established that you are watching this site. So, by the "Rules of Engagement" (as you call them), let's make it clear -- IF someone asks you a direct question and you refuse to answer, it means that you have NO answer. Right? Here's a question for you, but first the setup: You seem to be saying that all of your 20+ FactNet critics (including me) are going Hell (and you DELIGHT in that) -- why, because we are criticizing God's man, Mike Peters, and his ministry in Indianapolis. How DARE we criticize what "God is doing"!! Well, let's also establish that Dr. James Dobson and his "Focus on the Family" is clearly a God-ordained, God-used ministry. Anyone disagree? In fact, even if you don't think the Peterites are a cult, it's abundantly clear that Dr. Dobson does MORE for the Kingdom of God every year than Mike Peters could do in a lifetime! Right? SOOOO, when I go Mike's "yourkingdomcome" website and do a search on "focus on the family", I find at least SEVEN (7) instances where Mr. Mike Peters openly criticizes Dobson's ministry. In one case he MOCKS Dobson, calling him "Jimmy D". So, Chris, here's the question: IF we are all going to Hell for criticizing Peters and his ministry -- by extension, shouldn't Mike Peters ALSO be Hell-bound for criticizing an even MORE valid God-ordained ministry??? Hmmmm? | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 208.53.138.210 |
You know, it just occurred to me. ChrisO is standing all by himself on factnet to do his pitiful defense of an abusive “father” figure. Where are his supporters? Where are those that stand with him? And still, in light of all his attempts at defending this man and his group, why is he not WITH them? Who IS he with? Who does he have to walk with where he is at? I’m so sorry Chris that perhaps because they have been so successful in teaching you to “withhold” your love and trust and acceptance of people, that you have no one to tell you that they care and that they love you. That it is difficult for you to allow people into your life because they don’t meet the measure of the group thought. We want to see you FREE and out of BONDAGE. bruised.baxter@gmail.com | ||
| genefredette New member Username: genefredette Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.142.130.39 |
Mike Peters: What has gotten into you that you behave in this way? Is it the lust for power and control that has consumed you? I used to look up to you and you inspired me to become the minister of the Gospel that I am today. Why are you hurting these people so? I am told that the vicious attack by Chris was probably from you. How can you claim to be doing God's work when all you do is manipulate, extort and destroy. The "god" you are serving now is the god of this world. Go back to your first love Mike. Humble yourself if there is any love for him left in your heart. Everyone who knows the truth of God's word sees right through you. Do not be decieved. I believe you were genuine in the beginning, but something has poisioned your heart. I know this will get back to you and I pray that you think about it before you launch another attack. I am not afraid of you Mike and you hold nothing on me. I am a faithful minister within the churches of Christ in the Raleigh,NC area. Go ahead and ask anyone from the Brooks ave; Raleigh, Durham, Cleveland churches. They will tell you the same. Your slander and extortion will not work on me. You are just a man that has fallen from grace and is behaving like a caged animal. Repent my fallen brother and be restored before it is too late....You have so dissapointed me Mike...I will pray for you that one day you will stop this madness... | ||
| genefredette New member Username: genefredette Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.142.130.39 |
Chris O: I will apologize for calling you a liar and wicked. You are neither. You are just being used as a puppet. I hold nothing against you and pray that you will see the light one day and accept the Lord for what he truly is. The thing you are doing is not good. Your hateful and unloving speech is hurting your cause. Christ does not glory in people that are on the path to hell. He wishes all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. It is our actions and attitudes that determine whether we will be accepted into his kingdom at the end of the age. He sets the standards; not Mike; not you. You are breaking the Lord's heart. Noone takes you seriously as a fellow believer. Those who profess Christ do not behave as you do. I will pray that you break free of the bondage that has so chained you to unrighteousness. Jesus says in Matt. 18:1-7 that whoever is a stumbling block or offends to those who believe in him that is is better to tie a millstone around his neck and be cast into the sea. "Woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes"(Matt. 18:7). Stop being a stumbling block. I do not judge you; your words judge you and your fruit makes you known. I am praying for you also. Let these people who love you help you. They have been there and they are still there for you. Do the right thing and flee from that man. He holds no power over you except that which you give him...Search the word and find the freedom and wisdom you need. Think for yourself and let Jesus heal your troubled soul. Jesus' words are life and he is the only author of life and freedom. Go to him I pray... | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 41 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.77.157.81 |
Gene -- Hello and thanks for the encouragement here both directly and indirectly. Maybe you could send this directly to Mike. Maybe he would read it. I also read what you wrote on the rick ross website. I appreciate your heart and sincerity. Elizabeth enelson8735@yahoo.com | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Gene, I am so sorry for the abusive lies you have had to endure as a result of posting in this and the RR forum. I appreciate your courage and willingness to tell the truth. But I would think it remiss to say that Chris is not a liar. He is responsible for his own actions no matter what the influence. I just find it incredibly sad that he feels he has to go to lengths like this where the verifiable facts don't even matter to him in his apparent pursuit to get back into Mike's good graces and back into the Indy community. We really need to continue to pray for his release from this dark bondage he is under. Chris, I do cry out to God for you so often, and I love you no matter what you say about me. God knows the truth, and I will rest contentedly in that. Jen joythruChrist@gmail.com | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 118 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
For Chris to be a "liar", he has to have KNOWN that his statements were incorrect. I'm not so sure he did. If Chris is as I think he is, he will swallow EVERYTHING Mike tells him -- hook, line, and sinker. If Mike Peters tells Chris that elephants are pink, Chris Olive will believe it -- never mind those evil elephants at the Zoo who are not submitting to Mike's statement. Mike is the Lord's anointed, so he MUST be right! Anyway, that's what I think. I'm with Gene on Chris Olive's liar-status. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 119 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
For Chris to be a "liar", he has to have KNOWN that his statements were incorrect. I'm not so sure he did. If Chris is as I think he is, he will swallow EVERYTHING Mike tells him -- hook, line, and sinker. If Mike Peters tells Chris that elephants are pink, Chris Olive will believe it -- never mind those evil elephants at the Zoo who are not submitting to Mike's statement. Mike is the Lord's anointed, so he MUST be right! Anyway, that's what I think. I'm with Gene on Chris Olive's liar-status. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 120 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
For Chris to be a "liar", he has to have KNOWN that his statements were incorrect. I'm not so sure he did. If Chris is as I think he is, he will swallow EVERYTHING Mike tells him -- hook, line, and sinker. If Mike Peters tells Chris that elephants are pink, Chris Olive will believe it -- never mind those evil elephants at the Zoo who are not submitting to Mike's statement. Mike is the Lord's anointed, so he MUST be right! Anyway, that's what I think. I'm with Gene on Chris Olive's liar-status. | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 75 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Please don't try to give Chris or anyone else the impression that they are not responsible before God for their own sin. Yes, Mike is the influence, but Chris has clearly lied of his own accord. I could spend time and make a large post to point out all the ways that Chris lied all on his own, but I don't really feel like it. joythruChrist@gmail.com | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 343 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
I must respectfully disagree to some degree in the matter of Chris Olive not being guilty of lying. Please consider… We must face the potential results of Chris being innocent if he is: 1) He could do anything from here --including encouraging his worldly friends to club us to death-- and not be guilty himself by reason of insanity. 2) Chris does not need to respond to the conviction of God for himself because he can simply say --as Eve did in the garden-- “The Devil made me do it.” 3) The lies --which each of us can testify to in our own consciences-- that Chris has said of individuals here --which he claims he personally knows from his own experiences of any of us-- were 100% concocted by Mike Peters without any of Chris’ own thoughts involved. I believe all of these are a real stretch for us to say. And if not, then anyone can get off the hook of personal responsibility this way, even Mike Peters himself. I believe only those who are possessed of Satan could be said to “not know what they are doing”. Or, they have some physical impairment of the brain. This is the only Scriptural reasoning I can find in this and if Chris is not aware of any wrongdoing then people are in physical danger and we should call the proper authorities to protect others or himself from harm. Otherwise, please don’t assist in quenching God’s conviction on Chris Olive if God would bring this upon him for his own soul’s salvation from the hell of living in Mike Peters doctrine of demons. I’m asking that we keep this properly balanced. Of course, I would agree that Mike is responsible for influencing others in his deceptive and cunning teachings as they are put into practice. And Mike is responsible for the hell he has brought people like Chris Olive into. Foundationally, Mike is responsible for the whole mess, but others have willingly played their part or they are insane or mentally impaired as well. Does it not have to be one or the other? I do acknowledge, however, that either option is possible. But can we see as God does to determine this as it stands right now? To what degree justice is applied to each person’s own responsibility in this is for God to clear up through conviction. To this end I am praying. denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 76 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
We got this in an email and were asked to post this here from someone who would rather remain anonymous. Jen joythruChrist@gmail.com ================================================= wirk: I have EXTENSIVE experience with the church in Indianapolis, and pretty extensive experience with most in here," How so? If you say the "ringleaders" have no experience with either groups, then it can't be the ring leaders. SpeakingTruth? Let's see, he was there for 5 weeks. How much of that time was spent extensively with ChrisO? And then he leaves and you never hear from him again until the appearance of factnet. Seems impossible for you to have had extensive experience with him. JoythruChrist? Never been there, never spoke with anyone, including yourself. The only communication you have ever had with her is documented here on factnet. Can't be her. BTW, where is the commandment that says you are ungodly if you keep CATS? Cult_fighter? Never a part of the group. I'll give that you have had experience with Tim Sz. Don't know if it was extensive? Can't say how much you have had with firsttruth, Not everyone had intimate relationships with each other in Indy, it depended on which apartment complex you lived in and which tier you were in. Same with Mike R., different complex, different tier. Tim Dennis? He lived in Columbus. Not much experience there, and Dan Z. claims Tim was never "accepted" in the Columbus church (that tells me they weren't living in obedience to the Lord because we are exhorted through the word of God to Rom 15:7 ¶ Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God. Elizabeth and Vincent N., Danielle D.? Nope, Columbus. Skeeza? 8 or 9 year old when lived in Indy, none if any experience with her while in Indy. Maleman,? Again, has a brother in Columbus, OH. Ultimatetruthseeker, Gottapost, Shammah, Threeseas, Redm1sk, Nintai, Baxter, Anonymous? If these people still have bags over their heads HOW would he know? They would have to say whether or not there was any experience, let alone extensive. Sofia? She admits she was in Columbus. Gene F? Pre-Indy days and pre-Harding University days where they picked up ChrisO. Rob W? Never a part of the group. So, that doesn't leave MOST that he can say he has had extensive experience with. Now WHY would a guy twice disfellowshipped, who HASN'T had extensive experience with MOST on factnet have VIABLE information? Knowing the RULE of withholding affection, why would Mike want to disclose what he THINKS he knows with someone NOT in the loop? It's mind boggling. It's like SpeakingTruth said: "This is a "document" given to show the evidence that Chris Olive has Mike Peters' approval here by having his wife --supposedly-- speak for him via Chris. What man would trust another so much so to let his wife speak through him? And what is this "Chris is the only permitted spokesmen for Mike and Indy" thing? Are you yet alone, Chris? Does any man in Indy even have the courage to answer us if we are sooo wrong yet? Why have you sanctioned a self-admitted excommunicated man to speak for your "church"? What does it say of you?"} | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 344 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Speaking of documents… As a reminder, there was an extensive, very well organized, and sound document written by someone who was in the Indy group for quite a few years. It is insightful and full of details regarding the very elusive and evasive insides of the kingdom of Mike Peters. I would encourage anyone to go and study this if you are looking to discern and understand what Michael H Peters and his followers are all about. Maybe you have dear family members in there or some neighbors you're concerned about who are involved with this group, but you have been offered little help from them to know exactly what is going on. This information will help you understand what is happening in this extremist group as it is led by an authoritarian leader. You can find this here: http://www.indianapoliscult.com/allatmikesfeet/FactnetList_about_Indianapolis.html#2.About%20Mike%20Peters%20|outline | ||
| danrepent Intermediate Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 129 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 85.14.217.51 |
Attack of the clones: Why would Dan Z. buy www.indianapoluscult DOT ORG? Maybe to mimic www.indianapoliscult.com and lure people away from this. Don't you think this is a low and undignified way to counteract criticism? I would think a real cult would try to trick people by cloning another website's name and registering it as an [ORG] instead of com. The only method that I think will truly work for them is to repent and change what they have done and are currently doing. Then make a generic public & private apology to the families that have been torn apart. Next, if they truly have changed they need to get rid of all the teachings that lead people astray and cause marital divisions. ChrisO accused me of creating multiple websites. How many websites do they own now? danrepent whistleblower@indianapoliscult.com (Message edited by danrepent on March 02, 2007) | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 75 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 66.90.73.77 |
As you all know by now, Tim D. has a web site that was created to warn the public and HOPEFULLY those still trapped in the confines of Mike Peters and company. That web site address is www.indianapoliscult.com. In a schemed attempt to hide the truth and draw people away from the evidence against them, Dan Z. has purchased the domain name www.indianapoliscult.org. and when you visit it, you will find the groups take on “What is a cult?” This was done on January 15, 2007. I would encourage the readers to compare what the Indianapolis and Columbus cults have to say about what a cult is as opposed to what the “experts” have to say who have had the task of dealing with the people who either have family and loved ones trapped in cults, people who have been abused by cults and are now released but damaged, and with the cults themselves. You will notice that Mike’s teaching is an attempt to say every other “church” out there is a cult and THEY are not. It is an attempt to get the spot light off of themselves so they can go on deceiving. You will also find that they are the only ones that have this view of what a cult is, whereas the “experts”, where ever you may find them, all corroborate with each other with similar findings. bruised.baxter@gmail.com (Message edited by baxter on March 02, 2007) | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 76 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 208.53.138.233 |
Wirk: “Jen, who has NEVER, EVER, EVER BEEN to Indianapolis or Columbus or met anyone on this thread from those churches, continues to post lie after lie and slanderous accusation after slanderous accusation. Someone with a computer in a living room 1000 miles away, who has fashioned for herself some "ministry" and "following" but hasn't the first idea what in the world she's talking about. She's also as far away from God as all the cats she keeps. :-( This person in particular absolutely defies description.” What Chris knows of Jen is what anyone else who has a computer can know of Jen. She has a blog spot that she has openly shared with anyone interested. The things she has said on the internet can be viewed by absolutely anyone. She and Chris have NEVER met, never spoken. When Chris says SHE “hasn't the first idea what in the world she's talking about” Listen to what HE is saying. How would he know her computer is in the living room? How would HE know how far away she is from God when he DOESN’T know her? Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. As for her “ministry” and “following” all that Chris knows of her is there for anyone to know of her. You can go to her blog or this site and see if there is a “ministry” or people following her as though she were someone, well, like MP. She doesn’t have anymore people visiting her blogs than your average blogger. It’s all out there for anyone to SEE. Wirk: “This person in particular absolutely defies description.” it’s because he doesn’t know her. BTW, Jen, I love you! You have been such a “JOY” to befriend. | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
I love you too, baxter. And I really appreciate what you said.... I have a few bloggy friends who come to my blog, and I go to theirs, but what Chris said was the first I've ever heard of a "ministry" or "following". Jen joythruChrist@gmail.com | ||
| scannyd Junior Member Username: scannyd Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Hey All, I was looking at the "other" indianapoliscult site earlier. It is amazing how many things they say are signs of a cult but yet they do them. It is hard to believe that someone can write a paper about a cult and then turn around and do the things in the paper. Scary! Danielle (Message edited by scannyd on March 02, 2007) | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 42 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 71.101.160.36 |
I am actually glad they posted that writing. I thought they would use that writing when I heard they bought the copy cat site. It really exposes them further. People who are in cults don't know it. Like a member once stated when I was in this group -- "If I was in a cult would I know it?" Reading over this writing again I agree with Danielle, it is scary. The writer says that cults are always teaching how bad and wrong all other churches are. Then you realize that over half of the writing he is actually saying how bad and wrong he thinks all other christian churches are!?! WOW! What a mind job! I think if you are in a group that has to constantly try to prove to outsiders and most other christians that you're not a cult you should see that as a huge red flag! I can't believe I bought into this at one time. BUT I distinctly remember wanting some kind of reassuring teaching from Mike Peters that we weren't a cult. Brainwashed. Also I find it even more scary that in this writing Mike (he is the author- I had an audio cd of this teaching) quotes scripture and interjects his thoughts and opinions right in the middle of the verse quote. As if he has that kind of authority. It's like what he says and thinks is equal to scripture to them. | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 71.101.160.36 |
I know we've done this in the past but I thought it was a good time to post a link to a clear, concise list of characteristics of a cult. I am not familar with the whole site but this list is good. http://www.womenofsubstance.org/Culttest.htm | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 345 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
It has been a long hard lesson this past year which I am still learning and will till I die. And that is this which Paul gave us by example: "And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now.” 1Cor 4:12-13 I do wish to entreat those within Mike Peters leadership and, if possible, even Mike himself. Here entreat means: Summon, to address, to admonish, exhort, to beg, beseech. Those of you who know in your hearts that you have willingly accepted just one man’s words regarding details and events of so many other souls --who have been seriously reviled and defamed in this forum and other-- may find this speaking loudly to whatever conscience you have left. I direct this question to each of your hearts. Have you found 100% certain that the things Mike Peters says to you are the pure undefiled truth when you have no other witness? AND- If you are going by another’s witness with his, have you asked them specifically if they were a witness for themselves --of every stated fact-- apart from Mike Peters telling them what, where, when, how, and why something happened with an accused? If you haven’t then you are yet in your sin because this is the mandate of Scripture without exception as you know. Have you ever stopped to contemplate that the man you have placed so much confidence in was born as much of a sinner as anyone of us? That he is as far from being infallible as any other man on earth today? Would you place your eternal soul solely on the words of Mike Peters? Is he as God to you? If so, you have based your Salvation on a sinner and will have to face this at some time. This is a characteristic trait of Mike Peters practices… Claiming to KNOW other’s motives and thoughts of their hearts. God only knows but I must consider if Mike is so deluded by himself that he believes --due to a messianic complex-- that he can read men’s hearts as our Lord Jesus Christ did while in flesh. A VERY DANGEROUS DECEPTION INDEED! It has been amazing how judgmental Peters’ followers are trained to be as this has been clearly testified to from witness after witness. Whenever someone questions Mike Peters, his followers minds seem to shift into a well prepared gear of sudden mental uncontrollable accusations towards those questioning him. They place motives on anything they imagine possible as sin in someone who disapproves of Mike, rarely testing what they say about others before their judgments fly from their fleshly minds. If there was any report (and if not then evidently it must be produced anyway) on record from Mike --even from as far back as conceivably possible-- it will be resurrected at that moment and blasted in the face of the one with simple questions about Mike Peters. If you have kept up with these threads you know this to be true. And this resurrection will come with the same affect of seeing a germ in the microscope. This is ALL they can see at that time so --with their eyes trained by Mike-- they now see what appears to be the size of a monster in the microscope as it is projected on the wall of Mike’s words which their eyes are in bondage to. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 346 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Mike Peters does not have the vision of a “telescope” as some would say, he has the vision of a “microscope” on everyone else’s sin but his own. Any of you men with Mike today who will not point out the concerns you have about Mike do not love him and his soul or the souls he has harmfully affected for years now. Therefore, his own sin has been permitted to grow and has become as a domineering and controlling, merciless monster --in actual size-- bound to his own make of a microscope for sin or “leaven” as it is so-called. Pictures revealed to the world which have dishonestly affected the reputations of those who have questioned Mike Peters’ validity are offered in their 10,000X size as if this were the actual size. Sin is severe enough in its real size than to permit a sinful heart to magnify it with sinful falsehoods to keep others eyes off of your own unrepented public sins against many of God‘s dear children, Mike Peters. And the actual size of sins long dealt with are in the depths of the sea of God’s forgetfulness where only Satan would dare to retrieve them let alone publicly display them via a microscope. If only your followers could really see you as you are. Or is it right to say “if only they would see you”? I’m not sure how willing they are. Talk about “walking in the light” guys. Why don’t you do this if you really have God‘s love in your hearts? Also, when Mike’s followers hear or read someone’s words who has questioned his actions they will automatically assume a tone of arrogance or evil. For they have to be this way if they dare question their --thought to be-- “holy leader”. Forget testing someone through an ongoing conversation to understand what their tone really may be rather than what it may appear to be through a few of their words not spoken so well. Just immediately judge their heart and motives without giving them a Christ-like chance through love to complete the balance of what they really mean. And if they are missing it then “you who are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of gentleness considering yourself lest you also be tempted”. It is much easier to make a snap judgment in the flesh than to offer the benefit of the doubt and really get to know someone better. But this can not be done well in Indy for those who would sincerely question Mike Peters in love for truth. Because judgment is set and always sure every time anyone wishes to know why Mike does or says something. Where is the love? Where is the forbearance the Scriptures speak of? "Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand." Love is the forgotten by the practices of Indy and affiliates. It is replaced with a false love in the guise of “removing leaven” which is only seen through the Mike’s microscope and evidently means to Mike --by virtue of many testimonies now-- “immediately and mercilessly condemn, defame, and remove those questioning me. The stronger testimony they have the stronger we must revile and defame”. Sounds a whole lot like the old Catholic ways from the time of Luther. But in Indy there is not even a trial! No justice, no test. Just do whatever it takes to keep them from talking about Mike’s questionable behavior. Without ANY ACTUAL DOCUMENTS OR PROOF, malign, defame, degrade, and assault as hard as you can, for control MUST be kept at all cost, including anyone’s good reputation or name. Mike, this is a hideous shame! If they could only realize that there is a plank in their own eyes then they wouldn’t be so proud and harmful, would they? denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 208.53.131.175 |
Danielle, I agree it IS scary that they are SO blind to their own harmful ways. Indianapolis people and Columbus people have so many people saying the same thing, and instead of taking an honest look at themselves they rather remain blind. Point 9 on their site is about brainwashing (only AFTER they pretty much call all “attendance based” churches cults) and brainwashing and subtle manipulations are a BIG concern in regard to them. I recall one particular day walking through my apartment and I thought to myself, “I feel like I’m being brainwashed!” And I am with you too graceisenough in that I am glad that they created that web site with the same name as Tim D’s. It reveals their TRUE colors. And EXCELLENT point about a "HUGE red flag". If a group or teacher were honest in their attempt to educate people about what a cult is because THEY were concerned and wanted to help, then they would have a web address that you could visit and the information would be there. For example, if I wanted to know what John MacArthur taught about cults, I would go to www.gracetoyou.org. If I wanted to know what cult expert Steve Hassan had to say about cults, I would go to www.freedomofmind.com. I would go to Rick Ross’s web site to hear what he said about cults. But WHY would a group being exposed as a cult create a web site with the SAME NAME as the site attempting to expose them, only change the suffix to dot ORG instead of dot COM, unless they were trying to “dim the light?” BTW, Denny, I hope others will "listen" to your post. It is RIGHT ON. I pray more extended family members will "stumble" across factnet and www.indianapoliscult.com bruised.baxter@gmail.com (Message edited by baxter on March 03, 2007) (Message edited by baxter on March 03, 2007) | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 347 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
OK, do I get quiet just because Mike has laid some further accusation against me OR do I move forward and tell the truth as I am aware of it so as to expose him more clearly to others? I am at risk of being misjudged here (as if this is anything new) but in Love for those at risk of being severely hurt just as we have heard so many testimonies of from so many others here, I would rather say, LETS ROLL! What I share here comes through prayer and concern for others and the desire that they are spiritually aware. Many who have outwardly participated in these FACTNet threads regarding MP and Indy/Columbus already have fairly full knowledge of the truth of this group. For those who are observing in the background, I am often thinking of you as I post. I have had a number of hits on certain blogposts which were offered here on FACTNet for public viewing of info or insight regarding Mike Peters. One which I have had only a little response to is when I began a review of Mike Peters’ “MIHK” book. Therefore I dropped the idea for now unless someone can benefit from this. Because I do not wish to flood this forum with things I have thought through and yet I wish to share some things I deem important and relevant here, I have chose to direct those who may be interested to certain posts on my blog. Therefore, if you don’t see me as a good source of info, you may skip this post on FACTNet without me filling up more posts here. For those who have shared the will to understand and expose the dark and divisive works of Mike Peters, I want to offer you some things to consider. The following are a few things I have spent some time and prayer on: I trust these blogposts to be an encouragement to some and very troubling to others... http://noahlot.blogspot.com/2007/03/undefeatable-power-of-clear-conscience_04.html http://noahlot.blogspot.com/2007/03/answering-accusations-1-and-2.html http://noahlot.blogspot.com/2007/03/helpless-victim-of-slander.html God Bless! denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 121 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Baxter asks: "But WHY would a group being exposed as a cult create a web site with the SAME NAME as the site attempting to expose them, only change the suffix to dot ORG instead of dot COM, unless they were trying to “dim the light?”" What they are doing is a common tactic used by pornographers. They (the porn sites) will use a popular website's address, only with a different extension -- trying to lure unsuspecting people (including children) to view the front page of their filth. A famous example is the website www.whitehouse.gov -- which is the website for the President of the United States and the White House. But if you don't pay attention and accidentally use dot-COM instead of dot-GOV, you'll be in the midst of real pornography. So I ask, Mike Peters, WHY are you copying the pornographers in their deceptive practice?? Hmm?? Is this just a coincidence, or is there some reason you've learned from them? Just asking. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 348 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
I need to quote and correct myself here. I said: [Also, when Mike’s followers hear or read someone’s words who has questioned his actions they will automatically assume a tone of arrogance or evil.] I have to confess that this was too broad of a statement and in my own words I appear to be assuming every one of Mike’s followers would have this reaction. Granted, we have all seen this reaction displayed here by a few of Mike Peters’ adherents as a practice, but it would not be right to assume that all in his following would also do this sin. This was wrong of me and if I were to leave it without saying this I would be guilty of what we have been seeing happen here by Mike and some his followers. And that is assuming motives, intents, or actions which may not have actually occurred with others of them. I am truly sorry for doing this to those of you in the Mike Peters following at this time who have not been practicing this error, and I ask for your forgiveness. I may have done this in some other statements before without catching it and if anyone sees this, please bring it to my attention if you would. For neither I, nor anyone here, has the right to assume motives or intentions of others -- only God can know this. We should judge right judgment through honest testimony --void of any hearsay-- from those who are actual witnesses to any matter. Let us all be careful not to be doing the very thing which we have been confronting Michael H Peters about. I wish to refresh our memory by defining some pertinent words for all of us in this matter… Fact: something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true; reality of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something Hearsay: second-hand information: information that is heard from another Document: to provide evidence for a statement or claim by supplying supporting information Witness: somebody who --in fact-- sees or hears (not hears of) an occurrence Of all the testimonies placed on this --or any other-- electronic forum, can we all say before the all-seeing Eyes of God that what we have typed on our keyboards of others is a FACT and not HEARSAY? Of all the DOCUMENTS spoken of, have we supplied them yet? As yet, does anyone recall even one single document provided from the many spoken of by Mike Peters adherents? The more they speak of them without producing them, the more they may be losing all credibility with any outsiders. Are we a true witness by definition or only going by another’s words? Are we being Christ-like in this…or not? Seriously, I say this to every one of us. denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 122 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Baxter asks: "But WHY would a group being exposed as a cult create a web site with the SAME NAME as the site attempting to expose them, only change the suffix to dot ORG instead of dot COM, unless they were trying to “dim the light?”" What they are doing is a common tactic used by pornographers. They (the porn sites) will use a popular website's address, only with a different extension -- trying to lure unsuspecting people (including children) to view the front page of their filth. A famous example is the website www.whitehouse.gov -- which is the website for the President of the United States and the White House. But if you don't pay attention and accidentally use dot-COM instead of dot-GOV, you'll be in the midst of real pornography. So I ask, Mike Peters, WHY are you copying the pornographers in their deceptive practice?? Hmm?? Is this just a coincidence, or is there some reason you've learned from them? Just asking. | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 208.53.138.226 |
To the believers in Indianapolis: I beg you to listen, IF you are reading this. I have no doubt that your leader, Mike Peters, has done MANY things that have been a cause for concern and alarm to you. It may even be that you have discussed this with your piers, but because of the fear and the intimidation that Mike imposes on those who question his behavior, you remain silent. You MUST realize that this silence is to the detriment of many individuals under his authoritarian leadership. It has been a “catalyst” for many to lose their faith amongst MANY other things. You cannot afford to be silent, not for yourself, and not for those in your midst that have been suffering under the heavy rule of this questionable “leader”. You have got to make him accountable by the testimony of two or three witnesses which I am sure you have. If he had someone come to you, or HE came to you by himself, you have no choice but to succumb to his words and authority, not because it is the Lord’s will, but because of fear and intimidation. However, if you come to HIM, or if two or three come to HIM, WHAT IS HIS RESPONSE? Have you EVER recalled Mike Peters HUMBLY submitting and repenting WITHOUT QUESTION as he has demanded that every single one of his followers MUST do? WHO is he accountable to? If you DON’T do this, WHERE will things end? I am certain he is reading this and knows you wouldn’t dare, he knows he has you over a barrel and he is believing there is NO WAY anyone will EVER get to him. And you know yourselves that your group is set up in a way, that there is no one to turn to for help. Those should be some major flags for you all. You have given this man POWER over your lives. You need to not let it be this way. We are to submit to ONE ANOTHER, not in lording over each other’s faith as in the world, but as brothers and sisters. And NOT over every little mundane and trivial thing. 1 Tim 5:17-21 ¶ The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages." Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful {of sinning.} I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of {His} chosen angels, to maintain these {principles} without bias, doing nothing in a {spirit of} partiality. 1 Pet 5:1-3 Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as {your} fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed, shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to {the will of} God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness; nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock. Matt 20:24-28 ¶ And hearing {this,} the ten became indignant with the two brothers. But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and {their} great men exercise authority over them. "It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave; just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." BTW, shepherds do NOT drive and horsewhip the flock, they walk in front and LEAD, LOVE, and LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES! Ungodly authority and lording over ones faith does NOT EQUAL LOVE! | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 349 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Baxter, we pray that they will receive the ALARM from God in their own spirit and wake up in their walk with God before they have more years of their life in which they will regret stuffing God's voice away from their consciences as they tune in to the whisper of Satan. This was too good to avoid sharing with you. The following is an excerpt from something I found online. If this doesn't reveal the temptations which lure people into cults, I'm not sure what will. When I read this, God uncovered something deep in my heart from the days of my time with Mike Peters. I was guilty of falling for this temptation to some extent. If we are honest with ourselves --all who where suckered by Mike Peters at some time-- we may need to confess that we fell for this temptation... A Secret Doctrine: "For God knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be opened;" Genesis 3:5a It is a common quirk of our human nature that the prospect of knowing something few others do is a tempting one. I think we can all appreciate the effectiveness of Satan's temptation of Eve. He promised her what all cults promise their prospects: initiation into the mysteries of the universe, the "secret doctrines" available only to the select, enlightened few. This aspect of cult modus operandi was known in antiquity as Gnosticism, a movement that claimed possession of such secret knowledge was the means of attaining spirituality and spiritual advancement. Some of their specific doctrines have come down to us (see Irenaeus' Against Heresies) and seem like so much gibberish on the printed page. But we would do well to remember that cult doctrines are also manifestly ridiculous when viewed from a safe and sanitary academic perspective. For the potential cult victim, the hidden and forbidden nature of the secret doctrines enhances the temptation, as does the committed and dogmatic adherence of the society of "believers" who are doling them out to him cautiously and selectively. In such carefully constructed situations, the very dogmatism of the cult members can impress and command allegiance. The problem, of course, is that cults possess dogmatism, but without the authority of the truth, and always without documentation. The Bible doesn't change, and can be read and checked "to see if these things are so". Cult doctrine, on the other hand, so far from being open to scrutiny, is almost always changeable as well, since it is open to the interpretation of and often fresh "revelation" from the leader or leadership. The Bible, being the very Word of God, is the authority for Biblical Christianity, not any single person or group of people or their writings or "visions". If it really is the Bible that is being taught, this can be checked, this can be verified. Cult religions, on the other hand, can never be pinned down, and the evil systems which promise to "open the eyes" of their converts really only intend to blind them. You all tell me if a lot of this doesn't SOUND THE ALARM regarding Mike Peters. Satan is smart, and Mike Peters tuned into this well. May God really open the follower's eyes that they may see they've been blinded by this temptation of Satan. And may they be freed from this dark bondage. denny.elslager@gmail.com -anonymous quote above used by permission- | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Just a quick word of encouragement for those who have suffered slander/libel at the hands of those in Indy and elsewhere... This passage has comforted me so many times within this last year. God's word is so precious! And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good? But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. “And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.” But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. 1 Peter 3:13-17 Blessings! Jen joythruChrist@gmail.com | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 350 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
With low activity here at this time, I share this taken from an anonymous source… Ignorance of what the Bible really says has played a large role in making many Christians vulnerable to the teachings and the tactics of the ever dangerous and ever more numerous cults. Successful cults are always highly proficient at "mind control" techniques, and while most of us feel that we are impervious to such things, there are enough case studies to show that relentless group pressure preying upon our most basic fears, guilt and needs can be extremely effective. Such pressure can cause even the most self-confident of people to surrender their will. As Christians, we are most vulnerable to groups that style themselves as Christians (the wolves in sheep's clothing of Matt.7:15). Cult leaders of this sort are very good at appearing to be "angels of light", when in reality they are agents of the devil (2Cor.11:14). Our first line of defense against such persons and organizations must be the Bible, for it is with the Bible that they will attempt to win us over. So beware of any person or group that: * downplays the importance of reading the Bible for yourself. * wants to supervise or take control of your reading of the Bible. * those searching the Scriptures and questioning the leaders' accuracy are charged with being "carnal" with the Scriptures if it doesn't fit the leaders' teachings and practices. And of course this is to falsely quilt his subjects back away from Scripture until they see only the constricted and restricted view of the leader. Then they are permitted to go back to Scripture with restrictions in order. (this one is my own observation) Cults almost always profess: 1. A Separate Society: Did God really say, "You must not eat from any tree in the garden? Gen 3:1 In Genesis chapter 3 we find Eve alone in the garden conversing, strange as it may seem, with a snake. Perhaps the novelty of a talking creature should have set off some warning bells for her, but we should not be too surprised at the lapse of judgment. Failing to pay attention to God and His Word makes us all vulnerable to lies. The oddity of the source of the lie (cult members with bizarre ways are the most common today) is easily overcome by the devil when there is no barrier of truth to block the way. Notice in the passage above that the serpent began his attack by twisting the truth (God had actually only forbidden eating from the tree of knowledge). The devil often starts his attack by misquoting God's truth. Perverting the truth is an important first step for cult evangelists, because getting people to accept distortions of the truth is a good way to start divorcing them from the reality they know. This, in turn, makes them increasingly dependent upon the new leader and the new society into which they are being initiated, a separate society that will ultimately alienate them from the normality of their past, until finally they become completely dependent upon their new masters. The new, "separate" society to which the cult victim now belongs thrives upon isolation from the real world, and not only because the light of truth and reality expose the lies upon which it is based: cults draw their main strength from separating and isolating their members from normal society. Once the resistance of Biblical truth is overcome, it is a central part of cult strategy to isolate their victims and new recruits from their friends, family members, support systems and from the normal world in general. Does this all sound familiar here? denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 79 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 66.90.73.77 |
I was thinking of some things yesterday while I was listening to yesterday’s broadcast of Back to the Bible with Woodrow Kroll. It was a VERY good and encouraging lesson, hope you will check it out. The link is…Series: The Bible's Influence on America Dr. Woodrow Kroll March 12, 2007 http://www.backtothebible.org/today-on-back-to-the-bible/today-on-back-to-the-bible-8.html. You may have to check the archives. It was the importance of reading the Bible. Following is a little of the transcript I wanted to share. Woodrow Kroll: “Well, I think we in America are in a crisis of Bible illiteracy. I don't say that Bible illiteracy is a problem in the Church. I think it is THE problem in the Church, and not just in America….Now if you've ever watched David Letterman on the Late Show, you know that he does these top ten things every now and then. I want to use that form today to talk about the top ten reasons why you ought to read your Bible. You may want to make note of these. If you don't get all ten, come to our Web site, backtothebible.org, and you can find them listed there…Number eight is this: Reading your Bible helps you think Christianly. It helps you think as a Christian ought to think. It helps you get the mind of Christ….You can discern everything in life, and you can make judgments on everything you read in the newspaper, everything you see on TV, everything someone comes to say to you, everything a university professor teaches in class--you can make value judgments on those things based on your knowledge of the Bible, if in fact you read the Bible….Now let's look at one more. Reason number five: You want to read the Bible because reading the Bible identifies the center in your life. If people seem to be adrift today, it's because people are adrift today. Have you ever tried to hang a picture or maybe put some border up, a wallpaper border? You probably used a level, because that way you know something is absolutely sure. If you look at a level, you have to have the bubble right in the middle of the level in order to make sure something is level. If you look at life, the bubble for life has always been the Bible. We know when things are right or things are not right based on the Bible. If we just allow the Bible to be what levels our lives, then we'll know whether we're living in a way that benefits us and pleases Him. But if we don't read the Bible, then we don't know where the bubble is.” What I was thinking about in light of this is: There is a teaching of Mike’s in Indy. It was “How to Study Your Bible and Pray? I remember that it had that subtle twist to it and a subtle mental manipulation and mind control that took you AWAY from the simplicity of reading and abiding in the word. Very little of his teachings ARE the comfort and encouragement of the scriptures that bring HOPE. I met them at a time in my life where I was becoming discouraged with the spiritual condition of the church and I wasn’t abiding in the Word. Had that NOT been the case, I doubt that Indy would have been the course we would have taken. God tried, I just wasn’t quite “getting” it. God’s Word is our guard against the attacks and schemes of the devil. It has taken a LONG time to shake the twisting and manipulating that I hear in Mike’s teachings from my mind as I would read God’s Word. So all this to encourage believers-- read the Word. We DID a LOT of things in Indy, but reading the scriptures was more like “desert” than the “daily meal”. Blessings. Baxter bruised.baxter@gmail.com | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 351 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Baxter, Your post was likely one of the most important posts on any of these threads regarding Mike Peters and his group of naive followers. God help us to seriously take heed to this from God's Word: "And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;" 2Pet 1:18 In the 1st century Church, most of the new Believers had to "hear" the Word of God via others sharing verbally and this makes quite a difference in how we are to perceive certain Scripture regarding their practices then --as a church functioning-- and what God calls us to now as the Word of God has been complete, settled, and readily available to each individual Believer -at least in our neck of the woods. It should challenge any who thinks too highly of their reliance on "the Body" to come to know Truth. The Body is a vital teaching and practice, but without this foundation of Scriptural Truth settled and learned in your own soul as an individual "studying to show yourself approved of God", you could easily be misled by those who will take advantage of your ignorance of God's Word. It is truly a form of idolatry to look for and to "the Body" without first fully regarding "the Head" and His Words in your hearts. I believe this is what Mike Peters is doing with sincere believers led astray by emotions inspired by partial truth of other errors or failures as they are finger-pointed at --by the likes of Mike Peters-- regarding the churches of today. But the error of missing God's Word in your own soul by neglect is FAR WORSE AND FAR MORE SPIRITUALLY, EMOTIONALLY, AND MENTALLY DANGEROUS than ANY other error in the Chruch of today. Setting your mind and eyes on how the church is missing other points of His Word will only distract you from knowing this. Mike Peters is just doing what many cult sects do but in his own cunning way. And he has succeeded to the extent that Believers ignore "looking unto Jesus" in His Word fully for themselves. May we all continue to encourage one another to get into God's Word ALONE FIRST! Thanks again, Baxter. May God Bless! denny.elslager@gmail.com (Message edited by speakingtruth on March 13, 2007) | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 208.53.138.41 |
Again, as I consider my experiences, this thought comes to my mind. Mike is in a league all by himself. He deals the cards, he calls the shots. HIS word is law. NO one questions it. He doesn’t WALK with other well respected and known believers. Most, probably have not even heard of him. IF they had, and they had any encounter with Mike Peters, I am sure they wouldn’t measure up to the standard that MIKE has set by his OWN authority. He answers to NO one. It is a “double standard”. Everyone else in his group is to “submit to one another”. Mike doesn’t “seem” to be included here. Joseph Smith came with a “new revelation”. Something for THIS generation. Mike claims that God has spoken something NEW. Something that MOST on this planet are not privy to, but that God has “whispered in the ears” of the “saints” in Indianapolis. (see the first facnet.org thread). Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. Rom 16:18 For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting. | ||
| workadmin New member Username: workadmin Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 219.151.204.143 |
Right on, brother! I was there. There were several well known churches Indiana and other states that mingled with Indy. They came, the left, and they were never seen again. Mike Peters has mixed company with known leaders of other prominent churches. Those leaders have either confronted Peters and his followers or kept their churches a safe distance from the Indianapolis Church. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 232 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
Baxter: You're a wicked, evil, DEMON. And have been proving that here for some time. I can name 6-7 *men* that Mike is in DAILY, DEEP, INTIMATE and SUMISSIVE contact and has been for 25 plus years. I've seen him submit to others (out of reverence for Christ) in countless situations. Is he one of SEVERAL leaders there? YES. But I've also seen him come across many situations where decisions have been made by others (not even other leaders, but simple, honest believers in Yeshua) and he never even questions it. You've been on this board for some months now -- cowardly and anonymously, opening your boastful, proud and arrogant mouth, lying, twisting, contorting and slandering in proportions that are impossible to even describe. I've never addressed you personally -- and I'd venture to say that if you came out of the darkness into the Light and had the courage to take the bag off of your head, I bet it would be instantly recognizable to me exactly what your hateful motives are. But that's not likely to happen since the tenor of this "forum" has long since shown it's hand. But you deserve, and everyone else who may be silently reading this, deserves to know you are one of the darkest liars and one of the most pathetic creatures I have ever come across. Certainly a lot of you in here take turns out doing the other with your sick, evil, repulsive, deceptive, satanic vomit. You are in grave, grave spiritual danger dude. The things you say about Mike and others here -- again with a sickening, cowardly bag over your head (go ahead and continue to artfully play the "victim" here) -- is sickening beyond description. Not just because they are completely untrue, but because of the sickening satanic spirit behind it. :-( I loathe "getting things going" again in here with a post like this (which will cause another 6 months of hateful, vengeful out-pouring again, I can almost guarantee it), but be it Mike or anyone else that I know with a deep, rich and COMPLETELY HUMBLE walk in Christ, slandered as **YOU** have been doing for months now, I have to say at least something. Your words are poison. ChrisO | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 79 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Chris, anyone who can read knows the difference in your vitriolic writing and that of others in this forum... We still pray for you daily. You don't have to live in this hate. Jen joythruChrist@gmail.com | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 352 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Chris, Just a reminder. We are certainly not against you or even Mike Peters in the reality of this. Yes, we have had to expose the works of Mike Peters to protect others but our real enemy is Satan and his agents which blind and manipulate and twist God‘s Holy Words as from the beginning. I do believe you are a pawn, its likely you do not know what you are doing. We are praying for you specifically because you are one who has been hurting through all of this, not much different than the way the demon possessed man suffered before Christ set him free from the horrible bondage he was in. You are not an enemy, you are a fellow human who we believe is in error and can not see this yet. Your words can not hurt a born again spirit for we abide under the shadow of the Almighty and His shield of Truth is our defense. It can not and will not be penetrated by lies. Knowledge of some scripture regarding the work of the Devil is not understood by one who does not personally know God by His Truth and Grace. Search the Scriptures diligently, Chris, for in them you may find the True testimony of God and the work His Son has finished. I have an unexplainable love in my heart for you. I do understand this is hard for you to swallow with the view you have possessing your mind as it has been clearly expressed for some time now. But God’s Grace is more Powerful than you have ever come to know as of yet or you would not be so enslaved to the legalistic mindset and lying you are not even seeing in your soul. FREEDOM from this is what you need, Chris. I am very seriously praying in my spirit for you right now and as long as God would have me I will continue in this until something breaks! This is a spiritual battle and we are fighting for your soul as well as all who are under the power of Satan’s deceptive lies. “Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.” The strength of Satan’s influence through lies has been bound by the Power of our Lord, Christ Jesus and His Truth. If you would be free Chris, you too can know this wonderful Salvation from bondage. It is not of the words of a cunning person who has been used to pull the blinders over your eyes for many years now. It is not of might, power, or wisdom of men but by His Holy Spirit. I am interceding for you specifically. I do not fret over Mike Peters's deception for it is under my feet in Christ. And I do have love for your soul. By God’s Grace ALONE, Denny denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| danrepent Intermediate Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 130 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 217.172.182.26 |
ChrisO, I am with Denny on this. I pity you brother, because you do not realize that the things you speak and how you present yourself is not Christian. It is actually not very kind at all and when people read your words they will see that you have some issues with God. I also don't believe you understand what true humility is. It is not just a few good things a person does, but a life style and when things happen outside the normal circumstances the humility shows through. People in CII have yet to demonstrate this humility when challenged on Factnet. From Mike Peters to Dan Z, they have all tried to defend themselves in a way that proves their guilt. I don't want another six months of battling on factnet. I have grown tired of this, but I also want to help people see that what AllAtHisFeet stands for and does is totally unchristian, even if there are some good qualities. You say Mike is humble, but the evidence on this forum states the contrary. Like I said, humility shows in situations that are outside of our control. Sure Mike can be humble in his own realm, but what about when a person is challenged with sin. It is a historical fact that if you bring sin to Mike, he will rake you over the coals. The only exception to that, is I have heard of certain women who can bring things without retribution. Now when I was a follower of Mike Peters, I thought that Mike and Dan Z. were the most humble people in the world. Then after time went by, I noticed they did not receive from people outside their circle of influence. I also noticed that they did not confess real sins or apologize for serious mistakes. It was always someone else's fault. My conclusion now is that these men are filled with pride. About Baxter's motives that you wish to know. Why does this matter? Most of you from CII think that you are God by knowing the hearts of men. Sometimes we are allowed to see inside a man for a purpose greater than our own. A lot of times when have no clue why people do what they do. Let's not try to go down the path of judging Baxter's motives. Instead, if you disagree with this person, state your case without ripping a person to shreds. I love ChrisO, Dan Z., and Mike Peters. Please repent guys... whistleblower@indianapoliscult.com | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 81 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.159.5.132 |
This is the God I remember. The God who changes lives and makes a difference in people‘s hearts. The God I fell in love with…. James 1:20 for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God. Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Gal 6:1 Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; {each one} looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted Eph 4:1-3 Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love, being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Col 3:12-16 ¶ So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. Beyond all these things {put on} love, which is the perfect bond of unity. Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful. Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms {and} hymns {and} spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. 1 Tim 5:1-2 Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but {rather} appeal to {him} as a father, {to} the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, {and} the younger women as sisters, in all purity. 1 Tim 6:11 ¶ But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance {and} gentleness. James 3:13 ¶ Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom. 1 Pet 3:15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always {being} ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence AS to my motives? I have seen and experienced the damaging effects that Mike’s doctrine has had on people’s lives, faith and perspective of God. We aren’t here to expose everyone’s SINS. It isn’t about that. That’s why if you will notice, names aren’t flying (except for the founder of this movement and others to “watch out” for, for the sake of warning) about what others MAY or MAY NOT have done as it is with those in the camps of Mike Peters. Our concern is for the safety of the hearts of the unsuspecting…Rom 16:17-18 ¶ Now I urge you, brethren, KEEP YOUR EYE on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting. 2 Cor 11:3-4 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity {of devotion} to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a DIFFERENT SPIRIT which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear {this} beautifully. | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Beautifully put, baxter. Somewhere along the way I made mention of the fact that several of the people on these threads may know the reasons that ChrisO was kicked out of Indy. ChrisO himself said that it was always for VERY GOOD REASONS when anyone was kicked out, and then proceeds to detail lies about people that he doesn't even know. But never any mention from anyone as to ChrisO's sins. I, for one, have no interest whatsoever in knowing anything about ChrisO's past or present -- at least not the sinful parts. I would love to hear of good things, things we could all rejoice with him about. Things like learning to let Christ live through him instead of living under the bondage of legalism. Chris, can't you see? This isn't about you, and it isn't about me. It isn't really even about Mike. It's about a false Jesus that would deceive, if possible, even the elect. You can say whatever you like about me, and about anyone else in this forum. You don't know most of us, even though you would like everyone to think that you have insider type knowledge. In the greater picture, all this doesn't matter. I didn't take it well in the beginning when the false accusations began to fly about my husband, and then later about me. I was really hurt, because I've never been so abused by those who profess to follow Christ as I have been this last year. I've never even been treated this badly by non-believers. And this type of thing is one of the reasons these situations burden me so deeply. What does the unbelieving world think when they see such hate pouring from one who claims the name of Christ? But the thing is, I had some growing up to do, and God has used you and others to do that in me. He's toughened me up this last year. In another way, He's softened me and made me more sensitive. So what satan meant for evil, God has used for good. He has worked in me to actually love you. To care deeply for your soul. To pray for you and to truly mean it and care about the outcome of all this. I want so much to see you and others set free, Chris. The grace we speak of isn't the cheap grace you say we speak of. Grace does not negate obedience. It wasn't cheap -- it cost the Lord His life, and I am never without the wonder that comes from realizing it was extended to me. It's extended to you too. I pray that you'll realize that. Jen joythruChrist@gmail.com | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 123 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
To Chris -- and everyone reading this: Take note of the difference. In his angry post, Chris calls Baxter "a wicked, evil, DEMON", and he further says much more about this person he knows nothing about ("one of the darkest liars and one of the most pathetic creatures"). Chris even claims to speak for God Himself, saying "You are in grave, grave spiritual danger dude" -- without ANY Biblical reason for this "spiritual danger" (other than criticizing "God's anointed One", Mike Peters). Now contrast all of the angry, accusing words of Chris Olive with the responses he's gotten. Jen, Dennis, Tim, and even Baxter have responded with love and concern for Chris -- not anger and insults. So for those at home, IF you want to be like Chris Olive, contact Mike Peters and he'll show you how to be a similar disciple. I totally agree with Tim about Mike Peters and HUMILITY -- those 2 terms don't belong in the same sentence! There is NOTHING humble about Mike! He claims to speak for God -- and there's "Hell to pay" if you go against him! There's nothing "humble" about ruining other men's marriages -- or sending secret emails to their wives! Finally, Chris, don't make false statements that you can't back up!! You said "I can name 6-7 *men* that Mike is in DAILY, DEEP, INTIMATE and SUMISSIVE contact and has been for 25 plus years". Name them, Chris! Hopefully you're NOT talking about his followers (clones). | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 353 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
“Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,” 1Tim 4:1-2 This was an interesting read I found from the Believers Bible Commentary: 4:1 There are two ways in which the Spirit might be thought of as speaking expressly. First of all, what Paul is about to say was certainly given to him by divine revelation. But it might also mean that throughout the Scriptures, and particularly in the NT, it is expressly taught that the latter times will be characterized by departure from the faith. Latter times means “in later times,” periods of time subsequent to that time when the apostle was writing. Some will depart from the faith. The word some is characteristic of 1 Timothy. What was a minority in this Epistle seems to have become the majority in 2 Timothy. The fact that these people depart or fall away from the faith does not mean that they were ever saved, but simply that they had professed to be Christians. They knew about the Lord Jesus Christ and had been told that He was the only Savior. They professed for a time to follow Him, but then they apostatized from the faith. One can scarcely read this section without thinking of the rise of cults in our own day. The way these false systems have spread is accurately described here. A great part of their membership is made up of persons who were formerly in so-called Christian churches. Perhaps at one time these churches had been sound in the faith, but then they drifted toward the social gospel. The cultist teachers came along offering a more positive message, and these professing Christians were ensnared. They give willing heed or assent to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. Deceiving spirits is used here in a figurative sense to describe the false teachers, indwelt by evil spirits, who deceive the unwary. Doctrines of demons does not mean teachings about demons, but rather doctrines which are inspired by demons or have their source in the demon world. 4:2 The word hypocrisy suggests “wearing a mask.” How typical this is of the false cultists! They try to hide their true identity. They do not want people to know the system with which they are identified. They masquerade by using Bible terms and singing Christian hymns. Not only are they hypocrites, but they are liars as well. Their teaching is not according to the truth of God’s word; they know this, and purposely deceive the people. Their conscience is seared with a hot iron. Perhaps early in their lives their conscience had been tender, but they suppressed it so often and sinned against the light so much that now their conscience has become insensitive and hardened. They no longer have any scruples about contradicting the word of God and teaching things they know are untrue. -end quote- | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 354 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
We all know very well that it would be appropriate for Mike Peters to answer some simple questions of the concerns of so many by now. But since he won’t we must continue to express things this way to protect others… Regarding my previous post above, it may be something to notice just how Mike Peters has also chosen to come between those who are married as this has been testified to have happened again and again in various ways and means. The following words of the Scripture passage at the top of the previous post are “forbidding to marry”. Does it not have the same effect to Forbid to permit a marriage as God intended a marriage to be? For in the balance of God’s Words --as we rightly place Christ above marriage-- the love of Christ and His Church may be exemplified through the marriage relationship. This is likely why demons are so against marriage for it is to Christ’s glory with His Church as the Scriptures make this clear. Other cults have played in to this “forbidding to marry” more obviously like the Christian Science cultists. But it seems Mike has been more subtle, yet, --in effect-- doing the same work… Setting up barriers between the marriage partners, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually, cutting down the men and training their wives to do the same, sending secret emails to the wives with kiss and hug symbols, having one adherent spouse withhold affection because the other doesn’t trust Mike's doctrine, and more as has been revealed here before. Mike has been known to overemphasize and pervert the Scripture which says: “But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, (1Cor 7:29). Carnally pushing this and other specific scriptures out of proportion and context in order to fit his own little set-up in Indy and otherwise has been the practice of Mike Peters. Working to divide marriages --and families-- has obviously been one of the most used tools in Mike’s little box of “tricks to control”. Just willing to continue to hold the flashlight on this dark place in Indy so others may beware. denny.elslager@gmail.com (Message edited by speakingtruth on March 17, 2007) | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.77.139.81 |
I will insert here that I experienced this dividing of marriages first hand. My marriage had problems that I will never blame on the teachings of Mike Peters. BUT IT SURE DID NOT HELP. Marriage is totally played down by these teachings. If one of the spouses is in disagreemant with Mike on any point they will be watched, held at distance, or shunned. Marriage is reduced to just another earthly relationship. I NEVER saw any couples go on dates alone. In fact, once an "outside" couple who someone knew went out together and asked a member for help with their children. Someone kept the children, but many acted as if their date was so immature or unspiritual. From the subtle teachings to the outright blunt negative attitudes toward marriage, Mike Peters and followers have a very skewed view of this blessed union. They also major on the verse in Matt 22:30 that says we will neither be married or be given in marriage in the resurrection. They use this verse any time it is convenient to excuse neglecting your marriage, leaving a spouse behind to be involved with a meeting or gathering, traveling without spouses, or any other time they want to put working for their movement first. At times the spouse who was left behind wasn't even included or invited. In fact, it is taught that time with just you and your husband/wife and children is family idolatry. Mike coined the phrase "us four and no more" and uses it in a negative way to desribe what he calls family idolatry. More group think to keep you in fear and isolation within the group. The two shall become one!!! That is what God said. To me that is huge. And what a picture of Christ and His Church. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 355 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Though I believe Mike Peters and his adherents would like to have others think some noble reasons for their not continuing to communicate as they have from the beginning of this questioning of Mike Peters and his practices here on FACTNet, it seems this may explain the real reason why they had to back-off (other than their excommunicated man, Chris Olive, whom they let speak for Mike‘s wife and a young lady member of their church)… So He will make them stumble over their own tongue; All who see them shall flee away. Psalm 64:8 As the Believers Bible Commentary states: “God causes their evil words to recoil on themselves, and all the spectators flee away in terror.” I personally believe that Mike Peter has backed away from simple accountability to others here because he knows --as he continues his course of deceiving others-- that he has stumbled over his own lying and deceptive tongue. It is an interesting word-picture as we’ve seen this happen. A long double tongue is easy to trip over when you are running frantically from the Truth as it is exposed to the eyes of others. And we thank God from our hearts that our Lord has been using MP’s and his affiliate's own words --even more than any of those of us who witnessed his real face-- to cause others to be aware of what is really behind the very pretty “spiritual” mask they present of “THE church of Indy” to the world via the web. It is true that any can wear a mask on the internet, but their fruit can still be known by how they begin to run and trip over their own tongues as they react to honest questions resulting from their own ungodly unrelenting offenses. Really now, why has it been so difficult for Mike to be accountable to others and simply respond to the questions that others here have asked? Why can he not actually answer with sincerity and integrity and with answers that clear up the questions of hurting people? Why has he instead brought out false railing accusations at those who ask him about his ways? Why has he chosen to leave his offenses hanging out there this way for many months now? Is it because they are so “spiritual” and noble that they are above this? I believe that is the impression they hope others will fall into like a spider's web. Sorry Mike, it won’t work very well. Others are fleeing from your practice as they witness the damage you have inflicted in the lives of so many. I personally will not be held responsible before God for yet another cult being permitted to grow because of fear of man. The Word of God stands against you and the unrepentant lies you leave hanging around the web, Mike Peters. And the innocent should know that you are using this web spiritually as a deadly spider. Here is a quote I found online and it speaks of what you are doing: "Scripture is generally used as the basis of these teachings, and is skilfully woven together like a spider's web, so that they are caught in the snare. Single texts are wrenched from their context, and their place in the perspective of truth; sentences are taken from their correlative sentences, or texts are aptly picked out from over a wide field, and so netted together as to appear to give a full revelation of the mind of God; but the intervening passages, giving historical setting, actions and circumstances connected with the speaking of the words, and other elements which give light on each separate text, are skilfully dropped out." The Light is on you, Michael H Peters. How far and deep into crevices do you think you can run as you present your mask to the world via the internet? You are exposed to all. What should you really do now? denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 356 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
BTW and for the record, I do not endorse the beliefs of the author of the larger quote I've placed above. I found it and read only this paragraph and I simply agreed with this way of speaking this particular truth regarding Scripture as it is worded. I do not at all agree with all other beliefs of the author. As has been done, some have quoted even MP's own words to help expose him through the way he misjudges others. Thanks for understanding. denny.elslager@gmail.com (Message edited by speakingtruth on March 18, 2007) (Message edited by speakingtruth on March 18, 2007) | ||
| joythruchrist Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 81 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
I just got this in an email and was asked to post it for someone. Jen joythruChrist@gmail.com From anonymous: Puppet masters pull the strings and do all the motions and voice of the Marionettes. Chris reminds me of a Marionette and Mike, the puppet master. Mike can't have a "public" debate. He wouldn't dialog unless those he is dialoging with are holding him up and agreeing with him. Mike knows there would be questions that would end up exposing the nature of his cult and the truth. He won't risk that. That's why any time he or Dan has been on here it's to have THEIR say, pronounce judgment and escape. Instead he'll have his say through his Marionette. I have spoken with many that were in contact with Mike and as long as things are going Mike's way, there is dialog. As soon as you disagree with him, he blows up and you are history, which ends up being sooner or later. That's what happens with people outside the group. Those "inside" learn to grovel. | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.77.139.81 |
I found this online and thought the lists of characteristics were interesting. Everyone can make their own assessment. http://www.geocities.com/biblebasedcults/ My heart is to expose lies for the freedom of those bound. Whether you are in, out, or you know someone who is in or out. Jesus wants us to be free! | ||
| baxter Member Username: baxter Post Number: 82 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 208.53.138.209 |
Mike's little group is not so UNCOMMON as he would like to believe. bruised.baxter@gmail.com | ||
| scannyd Junior Member Username: scannyd Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 65.60.228.88 |
"A false memory is a memory of an event that did not happen or is a distortion of an event that did occur as determined by externally corroborated facts." Taken from Wikipedia. How many times has this happened to individuals when we have left? I know of several times this has happened, one which was posted concerning me by Dan Z. on a different thread. The sister who told him this has on several occasions had these"false memories". Makes you wonder what these guys are really remembering. Danielle | ||
| graceisenough Junior Member Username: graceisenough Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.77.139.81 |
I looked that up also ("false memory syndrome" as mentioned in the link above) and thought the same thing. They actually believe these lies and exagerations. Recently, I had someone prominant in this group say they had a memory of me that wasn't only untrue but impossible. I have to either believe that this person is delusional or a liar. If possible I believe it is a bit of both. I am sorry to say these things but this is the conclusion I've come to. When someone is deceived they will begin to believe anything that supports their |
