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     nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1129 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.82.220.191 |
Ully! Tikvah! Ex-Derusha...even though she is still "sought-out!" is live!!!!!!! Check it out!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTGoNTQISh4&mode=user&search= | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 1601 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.72.72 |
hey that was good stuff. the decision to leave it uncut was brilliant. that is going to pay off down the road. she will benefit from reveiwing it and it makes it unique and gives her credibility. | ||
| ully_exderushah Junior Member Username: ully_exderushah Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 85.180.247.90 |
*blushing* Ahem... uhm... Yes, I am still alive! And exploring new ways to communicate. Fatherofaking, if you liked that then you should probably watch my very FIRST YouTube video as well, I was about ten times more nervous then! I actually almost started crying at one point because I felt so awkward... LOL!  http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Truthisnowhere | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 1605 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.72.72 |
i watched all three. i was amazed by your courage and inspired to buy a camera. i do not have a camera yet so this is the only way that i am able to respond. i am glad that you are still looking at what is happening here. i think i have some answers now that i didn't have before. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 1606 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.72.72 |
btw truthisnowhere, truth is everywhere. i does not lie with one person or one group because it is to large. we can know the truth in only a limited way. if we come to know god we know truth. who can know all there is to know about god? everyone has a different relationship with the truth (god) because we are individuals. no two experiences with the truth will be quite the same. | ||
| soul1958 Intermediate Member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 284 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 69.128.154.14 |
is it: truth is no where or is it: truth is now here.... ? (just a different perspective) | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 1613 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.72.72 |
i have seen no evidence yet. my guess is that it is truth is no where. i find it interesting that nobody ever picked up on the possibilities of my name. i did not think of it when i chose the name. nobody can be the father of a king unless they are god. at least not a live father. | ||
| ully_exderushah Junior Member Username: ully_exderushah Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 85.176.225.225 |
Fatherofaking: i am glad that you are still looking at what is happening here. I was gone for quite some time, only glancing over some of the threads occasionally... but now I am back. :-) i think i have some answers now that i didn't have before. Already? Wow. Soul1958: is it: truth is no where or is it: truth is now here.... ? *smile* You don't cease to impress me... Usually people only read/register it one way and don't even see the other way, and it's always interesting to see which one they pick. Can I owe you the rest of the answer? | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 1614 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.72.72 |
hey ully, the biggest question i have had to answer is trying to understand what i have experienced. i first got into all of this through christianity. i was completely clueless about religion. i enrolled myself into bible college thinking i could get some answers. about two years later i experienced a transformation that i could only attribte to the holy spirit. once this happened i began to see that some of what i was being taught didn't seem right. this is when i decided to go on the road in search of some more answers. 7yrs later i met up with the TT. i stayed for a short time but decided i was not ready to give up what i thought i knew to be true. when i left i was quite confused. while i was there i was told that what i was experiencing could not be the holy spirit. i considerd what they said was possible since they had a life to back up what they said. 10yrs later i went back. this time i was baptized. this is the part that really got me confused. when i came up out of the water i was back to the same place i ws when i first became a christian. the same exact experience in an instant. this was totally confusing to me. how could i have had the same experience when i had just renounced all of that? i thought there must be something wrong with me. i pushed that expperience away with all i had thinking that i was still holding on to something. i cried out day and night for help. what happened to me was that i just went back to being my old self. i pushed away the only thing that would have given me the strength to stay. so i ended up leaving again. it has been another 10yrs since i have been there. i have had plenty of time to think about what happened to me. how could i have had the same experience as a christian and as a member of the TT? i have heard more answers than i care to list. not a single one has made any sense. the only conclusion that i can come to is that i had the same experience because i did the same thing. i gave up my life. | ||
| trainedobserver Senior Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 2380 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.12 |
ully, You are a very brave young lady. I'm glad you've freed yourself. You are doing a good thing with your videos, please continue. "What is the truth; if such a thing exists?" -ully | ||
| soul1958 Intermediate Member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 285 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 69.128.154.14 |
Ully my question was purely rhetorical! *smile* It was meant only to make people stop and think. (Is the glass half empty or half full?) No answer needed, (unless you have a good story for me!! I like stories!) Father i have seen no evidence yet. my guess is that it is truth is no where. That guess can only hinder seeking. While you may be referring to truth not being here as in on this board, (and with all due respect to Fox Mulder), I suggest that truth is closer to ourselves than we believe. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 1621 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.72.72 |
hey soul, you misunderstood me. take a look at what i wrote in a previous post. btw truthisnowhere, truth is everywhere. i was referring to what ully meant by her choice of names. i think she is saying that truth is nowhere. i certainly understand the frustration. | ||
| soul1958 Intermediate Member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 287 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 69.128.154.14 |
I read everything. I understood you. I understood her. It's not that you're misunderstood. I just refuse to follow. p.s. Truth is not everywhere. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 1626 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.72.72 |
p.s. Truth is not everywhere. can you name a place where there is no truth? | ||
| soul1958 Intermediate Member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 288 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 69.128.154.14 |
tomorrow night after 7 pm... | ||
| soul1958 Intermediate Member Username: soul1958 Post Number: 289 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 69.128.154.14 |
coordinates not to be publicized. | ||
| ully_exderushah Junior Member Username: ully_exderushah Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 85.180.239.59 |
Fatherofaking: I totally misunderstood you! I thought you were referring to my videos when you said i think i have some answers now that i didn't have before! I thought you had questions about me or something like that and my videos answered them, so because I felt that there is not much information per se in those videos I was stunned and answered with that "Already? Wow." When I read your explanation I realized my mistake and thought that in your context my answer must have sounded very condescending... sorry! Your story is very intriguing. May I ask one question? What makes you so sure that your experience was indeed a transformation that you could only attribte to the holy spirit ? What if it was just some kind of euphoria, a religion-induced ecstasy? | ||
| trainedobserver Senior Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 2384 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.22 |
"the only conclusion that i can come to is that i had the same experience because i did the same thing. i gave up my life." Would you agree that given that there are examples of this phenomenon that occur in literature and history which span cultures, time, and religions, one must conclude that it is a "human" experience and is not dependent on religious dogma. I have experienced this myself in both religious and secular settings. Once I survived an ill-advised (read stupid) sailing trip in a tropical storm. After we were rescued I found the sky was bluer the air was cleaner and life was sweeter than before I had become convinced I was shark-bait. I had a similar experience some years before that walking out of a church after having rededicating my life to Christ. I have also talked to and read of people who have experienced being "born again" through chemical means. Of course it is all "chemical means" either natural or artificially occurring in the brain that produces these experiences anyway. I read a paper some years ago whose premise was that such life changing experiences are induced by a Significant Emotional Experience (S.E.E.) of the proper magnitude. The S.E.E. induces Metanoia or change of paradigm, change of view, change of mind, for the person experiencing it. The S.E.E. hits your brain's "reset" button in other words. This can be rather euphoric and usually inspires awe and wonder. Is that what you are talking about or have I misunderstood you as well? (Message edited by trainedobserver on February 27, 2007) | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 1634 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.72.72 |
hey TO, i can't find any info on this S.E.E. thing you mentioned. can you help me out? forget about the prophecy thing for now. i am more interested on this new info about jesus tomb. for those here that have an interest here is some news about the finding of the bones of jesus. http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/tomb.html it is in the news as well. do a search of the news reports and you can read what is being said by critics as well. | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1130 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17567/documentary-makers-claim-tomb-of-jesus-found | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1131 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17584/jesus-tomb | ||
| trainedobserver Senior Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 2398 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.11 |
foaf, I'll see if I still have the book with that essay in it but I don't think I do. | ||
| ully_exderushah New member Username: ully_exderushah Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 84.60.59.105 |
Well, looks like I'm not the only one using YouTube to tell my story... guess who's there as well? The TT's community in France: Tabitha's Place! http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tabithasplace Oh, and they are also on Dailymotion: http://www.dailymotion.com/tabithasplace | ||
| nabashalam New member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 21 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.130.19.196 |
Warning!!!! Be careful!!! Thats a dangerous road... even watching it in French, it still had a pull on the old heart strings.... its a freakin demon!!!! | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1643 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
I didnt realize Ully had a whole series of clips! http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=to+heaven+and+back IMHO She seems pretty apologetic... | ||
| ully_exderushah Junior Member Username: ully_exderushah Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.79.163.234 |
Hi David! :-) Here is a direct link to all my YouTube videos (so far): http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Truthisnowhere&p=r And yes, the Twelve Tribes are portrayed quite positively in those videos. After all, I talk about my very first day in Tabitha's Place! It is my intention to show the WHOLE picture, not just talk about certain aspects. I want people to know what made me stay, what made me leave, and then, what made me stay away. I do expect that some of it will be too apologetic for some people, and other things will be too accusatory for others. We all have different experiences and opinions regarding the TT, and different ways to deal with them. Don't you think? (Message edited by ully_exderushah on September 29, 2007) | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1669 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
Absolutely Ully! We who actually joined, lived there and gave our all didnt do it because it was a terrible place or way to live! We did it because we all wanted that "place to belong" and there were many good things that kept us there. Most of us left because we saw and experienced and learned about things that our conscience couldnt live with which we could no longer ignore. It was not that we turned our back on God and decided to leave and "provide for our flesh". I truly believe that the small voice of our conscience is connected to the heart and mind of God... I myself returned 3 times knowing all to well of the sacrifices of comfort that awaited me. When I was contemplating returning the 2nd time, I also knew what awaited me was not the joyous occasion of the return of the "prodigal son" but rather the weeks of castigation and the shunning of the "Body" until I was "baptised or washed" back into the fold. No hugging or "shaloming", no singing or dancing and no "raising of Holy hands" until I repented repeatedly in tears, groveled and begged for forgiveness from a "angry God" or rather from a group of friends reluctantly doing what they were told along with some newcomers who were blindly and eagerly following the instructions of the "elders" and all of them did this on the hopes that it was "Gods will". So much fervent, pure and innocent love passed in through the gates of the TT only for it to be extinguished by the pride of men and the harsh reality of high control. The TT has used the freedom of the cross and gift of salvation as a draw only to shackle the innocents with the "Law" of the TT. The "yoke" of the TT was not "easy" and the burden was not "light". "It is for freedom that Messiah has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery." But yes Ully, our minds want to look back on the past as "the good old days" as a defense mechanism against the pain we went through and all the "what if only..." and all the shoulda, woulda, couldas... I had some of the most "loving, selfless and human" experiences in my life(I couldnt share at a gathering without tears of joy) while in the TT and I will never forget those moments or stop thanking God for them. And yes, there isnt a day that goes by to where I dont long for those moments again... I believe these moments were "glimpses" of His Kingdom... "Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?" or "What shall we drink?" or "What shall we wear?" For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first His kingdom." My search continues... | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1672 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
Ully! You covered the good...your audience awaits the "bad and the ugly"!!!! Ich zuwarten... | ||
| julieanne Junior Member Username: julieanne Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 85.210.1.20 |
Hi Ully, I just wanted to say that I think what you have recorded so far is great. It gives a very accurate picture of the impressions and emotions that we all felt when we first visited the community. I don't think you can tell the story of those first experiences without sounding apologetic but the warning you have given at the end stops people thinking it was all good. It also gives people a better understanding of how we got drawn in to the group. I'm really looking forward to the next installment - Julieanne. | ||
| whereto2 Member Username: whereto2 Post Number: 56 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.167.66.36 |
at this point your sin is so great you would have to 'grovel' at just about every community and to everyone you have ever known in the tribes... quite sad really... your rationale has lead you so far astray... what you call 'grovel' those with a clear conscience call humility | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2335 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 70.16.219.231 |
W2, it is good to know that you looked at it. keep coming back. someone may reach you yet. | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1674 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
W2 is in Chicago now! I wonder who this person really is... Nah...not really... | ||
| whereto2 Member Username: whereto2 Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.167.66.36 |
from the proud to the trapped... and everyone in between... the mocking... the gods... the pride... the hatred... the tearing down... the rationalizations... the selfishness... the accusations... the diversions... the suffering.... thats all that reaches anyone here... there is no leading found for those who 'keep coming back' here... no humility... no repentance... no forgiveness... no meekness... no truth... | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1676 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
and no end to your un-informed dribble... | ||
| whereto2 Member Username: whereto2 Post Number: 60 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.167.66.36 |
and your vain accusations and diversions.... | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1677 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
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| ully_exderushah Member Username: ully_exderushah Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.98.152.31 |
David: We who actually joined, lived there and gave our all didn't do it because it was a terrible place or way to live! Exactly. I didn't stay for 4 years (and cried my eyes out for years afterwards) because it was all really awful. If I omitted that part, the whole story wouldn't make much sense, would it? Most of us left because we saw and experienced and learned about things that our conscience couldn't live with which we could no longer ignore. Well, as I said before, my case was different. When I left I was still convinced that "IF there is a God, then the Twelve Tribes are surely His people. When I regain my faith, I'll go right back." It was only many years after I left that I found more and more reasons for not going back. I also knew what awaited me was [...] the weeks of castigation and the shunning of the "Body" [...]. No hugging or "shaloming", It looks like that's one of those things that got worse over time, or maybe it's again one of those differences between certain communities: In Sus we CERTAINLY hugged those who were "cut off": They were the ones who needed Yahshua's love THE MOST! Hm, the way you included it in this list makes me wonder: Has it become yet another rote and ritual to say "Shalom"? You know, with unwritten rules as to when to say it and who is (allowed) to say it? You covered the good...your audience awaits the "bad and the ugly"!!!! Oh dear, David, I hate to disappoint you... *sigh* But I'm by far not done yet with the "good"! ... And unlike you and many others I don't have that much "bad" to talk about either (see above)... and as far as the "ugly" is concerned... well, I have not yet decided in which form I will cover that because I have not witnessed any of it personally. Hm... I guess "the ugly" will be included somewhere in the videos where I will explain why I no longer consider going back - even though I still long for the people and (most of) the lifestyle of the Community. Hey, David, if you think that for the sake of balance the audience should hear about "the bad" and "the ugly" fast, you could always make some videos yourself! :-) I do get a lot of enquiries whether there are more people vlogging about the TT, you know! | ||
| ully_exderushah Member Username: ully_exderushah Post Number: 53 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.98.152.31 |
Julieanne: I just wanted to say that I think what you have recorded so far is great. It gives a very accurate picture of the impressions and emotions that we all felt when we first visited the community. Thank you, Julieanne! I was so afraid that I would not be able to express what I feel / felt and make a complete fool of myself. I don't think you can tell the story of those first experiences without sounding apologetic but the warning you have given at the end stops people thinking it was all good. Yes, I thought so as well. Besides, I state in my YouTube profile and almost all of my videos that I am no longer with the Twelve Tribes, so in my not very humble opinion it should be obvious that there is more to come. It also gives people a better understanding of how we got drawn in to the group. I'm so glad you said that! I really wanted to tell my story in such a way that not just Ex-TTers but also outsiders could understand what happened and why. I'm really looking forward to the next installment Ugh, sorry for taking so long again! Unfortunately it will be a while before I have time for the next videos: I have just moved to a different city a couple of days ago and I will start a new job in two days, so YouTube isn't a priority at the moment... :-( Should I maybe post a little note here when the next video is finished? | ||
| sabbathkeeper Member Username: sabbathkeeper Post Number: 65 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 64.24.147.92 |
I have dial up so... | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1684 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
I just had to find and download a new driver for my webcam for my new puter that has Vista.... So stay tuned! Ully, I was thinking today of what I would talk about on the TT and it just made me realise how it wasnt all that bad being there. Its the damage you see and realise that happens after leaving or being sent away or "cut off". As they say, it's really hard to see the whole picture when your inside the frame! I didnt realise what was really going on while I was there being controlled and following blindly... It's actually a defense mechanism to go with the flow and assimilate yourself. If you dont, it would be impossible to stay there... Im going to have to write a script so I have something to stay on track with and talk about what I want to say. But yes! Let us know when you post your next u-tube! | ||
| grumpyshoegirl New member Username: grumpyshoegirl Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 75.67.196.32 |
Ully, I just wanted to say thank you for your videos. I'm eagerly awaiting the next installment. | ||
| grumpyshoegirl New member Username: grumpyshoegirl Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 75.67.196.32 |
Ully, I just wanted to say thank you for your videos. I'm eagerly awaiting the next installment. |
