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missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1803
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.122.227
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:58 am: | 
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I am just as convinced today as the day the Lord showed me that HH was and is a cult...I just pray more often for th people inside...Many will live and die decieved and in fear of jesus in the flesh coming to them...
Under grace wrote : "I have become convinced that the only way anyone is going to come out of HH is by a super natural revelation of truth."
I agree with this part...it will only take an act of God...but God sometimes used humans to perform His will so as time permits I will keep writing here at least many that have visited there have contacted me and thanked me for writing here...Perhaps I have saved someone from grief and heartache... |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 878
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.153.234.188
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 6:10 pm: |
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Perhaps I have saved someone from grief and heartache...
You know, it is a good thing to want to help others. This much I agree with you on. The problem is, HH has helped far far more people than you give them credit for. Yes, some folks have left HH with hurt feelings, heartache and some grief. But many more have been overwhelmingly blessed by HH. Many many more have found relief from heartache at HH. Many many more have found great Joy at HH. Many many more have found sweet Peace and Rest at HH. Many many more have found a Church Home full of Love at HH.
So, next time you are patting yourself on the back, thinking about everyone you have "saved" from HH, please try and remember those who found what I mentioned above.
Please try to think about those Brothers and Sisters at HH who were lost, and HH helped them turn their lives around. Please try to remember the single Mothers that HH helps provide for. Please try to remember the couples that came to HH, on the brink of divorce, and now many years later are more in love than ever. Please try to think of the drug abusers that came to HH, seeking help, and are now productive members of society and strong Christians.
Perhaps, if they had met you before they had found HH, they would have never found the Peace they know now.
That is what you want, right?
Broken homes, mothers and children living in poverty, drunks and addicts living in alleys.
All because you saved them from HH. |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 879
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.153.234.188
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 6:27 pm: |
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I truly do not want to be abrasive with you or "ruffle your feathers".
I just want you to think about what you are saying here.
Next time you're congratulating yourself for "saving" someone from HH, please take a second and ponder what you are saving them from.
Just possibly you might be saving someone from what would have been the best thing that ever happened to him.
Peace,
DOwen. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1804
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.10.109
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 7:44 pm: |
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I am not congratulating myself...I am just thankful that I have helped a few people and hope and pray to help more.
I cannot see HH being the best thing that ever happened to normal people...maybe some displaced people...people with no where to go..people that were slowly brainwashed into a system...but HH is not a good place for God's people. Sorry Daniel I do not agree with you. If it was a good place you should be there. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1806
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.10.109
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 7:53 pm: |
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I am not congratulating myself...I am just thankful that I have helped a few people and hope and pray to help more.
I cannot see HH being the best thing that ever happened to normal people...maybe some displaced people...people with no where to go..people that were slowly brainwashed into a system...but HH is not a good place for God's people. Sorry Daniel I do not agree with you. If it was a good place you should be there. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1807
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.10.109
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 8:07 pm: |
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I am not saying community is the problem I am saying the setup is the problem... |
seekingglory
Intermediate Member
Username: seekingglory
Post Number: 127
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 24.162.130.158
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 10:13 pm: |
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DOwen said.......................Please try to think about those Brothers and Sisters at HH who were lost, and HH helped them turn their lives around. Please try to remember the single Mothers that HH helps provide for. Please try to remember the couples that came to HH, on the brink of divorce, and now many years later are more in love than ever. Please try to think of the drug abusers that came to HH, seeking help, and are now productive members of society and strong Christians.
SG reply..................Daniel you are so misled. Homestead Heritage boasts there has never been a divorce in the community. That is because if a couple is in trouble they are cast out of the church until they resolve the differences or divorce. To suggest HH brings them in to help them is foolish and dead wrong.
If someone is a drug abuser they will not be welcomed in. They would be cast out.
All HH members know this DOwen so quit trying to paint a picture that is not real.
It is silly for you to say such things. You sure loose credibility with any members or former members with such statements and the general public can see through your words so you are only fooling yourself. |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 880
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 10:21 pm: |
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I cannot see HH being the best thing that ever happened to normal people.
I honestly believe this to be one of the saddest things I have ever seen you write.
What exactly is a "normal person" Mrs. Alvear?
Be careful in your answer!
but HH is not a good place for God's people.
It really seems like you feel you have a corner on the "God's people" market.
Are you God Mrs. Alvear?
Do you know what is best for the thousand members at HH?
You rant on and on against HH, accusing them of teaching that they are "Little Jesus'", yet you come here and play God, telling them that "God's people" shouldn't be a part of HH.
Who has a God complex here?
HH or you? |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 881
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 10:26 pm: |
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Homestead Heritage boasts there has never been a divorce in the community. That is because if a couple is in trouble they are cast out of the church until they resolve the differences or divorce. To suggest HH brings them in to help them is foolish and dead wrong.
Actually, GlorySeeker, you are dead wrong.
Please check your "facts" before you spew them, or keep them to yourself. |
seekingglory
Intermediate Member
Username: seekingglory
Post Number: 128
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 24.162.130.158
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 10:48 pm: |
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I was a member. I know the facts well! |
seekingglory
Intermediate Member
Username: seekingglory
Post Number: 129
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 24.162.130.158
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 10:50 pm: |
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lots of single moms. very few widows. no divorces. figure it out. |
seekingglory
Intermediate Member
Username: seekingglory
Post Number: 130
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 24.162.130.158
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 10:55 pm: |
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Keep it up DOwen. Your posts help our case better than some of our own posts because your an elders son. |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 517
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.162.187.46
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:20 pm: |
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I have seen those single mothers work days AND nights; a lot more than most people work outside of HH.
HH GREATLY benefits from the labor of the single mom's and sisters. They give as much if not much more than they receive. I could never let a single mom literally "lay down her life" for me the way they do for HH and then say I "support" her.
What a misconception... self-deception... twisted truth...
They work so hard and in my opinion they more than earn what they receive. They are not charity cases… They are assets. |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 882
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:32 pm: |
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Wow.
What blatant politicization of single women and widows.
Shame on you. |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 883
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:35 pm: |
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Mrs. Alvear,
Don't think that you are off the hook because all of your lemming friends are trying to bury your last few post's.
I am still waiting for you definition of what a "normal person" is. |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 518
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.162.187.70
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:10 am: |
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DOwen... We were in the same group for seven years... Many visitors came through and many joined. As far as I know everyone of the adults that visited or joined our group during those seven years were dedicated believers when they came in contact with HH and had a lot to offer. I didn't see any drug addicts getting saved. I heard of a few cases back east in the early years... (At least what ...30 years ago?) But I didn't see one in the seven years I was there.
I DID see needy people rejected and hurt. I heard their needs being used as "evidence" of "sin" in their life... Bad births and miscarriages being blamed on un-confessed sin... a permanent birth defect claimed as punishment for the father's sin... car accidents where a family member was hurt blamed on a persons "sin." I heard sisters cry, wishing God would show them their "sin" so they could know what to change and be accepted, but mostly so their children could be treated like other HH children.
In your youth at HH you were spared knowing the trials and pain. Yes there were some good times... but there are some heavy burdens being placed on Gods sheep that have caused great heart ache, rebellion, and for some... the loss of faith. |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 520
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.162.187.70
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:32 am: |
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DOwen, you are the one who brought up single sisters on your political stump... HH supporting them...
I was given them credit for all their hard work and sacrifice...
while you were holding them up as “poster children” in evidence of HH’s sacrificial generosity and charitableness. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1808
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.14.146
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:34 am: |
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Normal people don’t usually sit in a closed to the public church on Sunday mornings.
Normal people don’t sit through a funeral and have to listen about the deceased sex life
Normal people decide when and where to take their vacations.
Normal people don’t murder their own children.
Normal people don’t commit kill themselves.
Normal people read a newspaper when they want to. Normal people have the power of choice. Normal people read a magazine when they want to. Normal people do not have to be treated like little children. Normal people don’t put their kids in a room for weeks. Normal people do not fear their leaders. Normal people don’t live in fear that someone is going to run tattle on them for what they eat, read or where they go.
Shall I continue….and when a situation causes someone to kill their own then something is desperately WRONG…Now you tell me what it is? |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1809
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.14.146
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:44 am: |
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Dowen are you normal? So you perhaps look at a newspaper? Does your church close it's doors on Sunday to the Lost?
no Dowen HH is NOT normal by any standards...and much less by God's...They are in serious trouble with God.
HH might scare people into obedience but God will judge leaders like that...One leader called the people there at HH jaded...do you think the people are jaded? Would I laugh and call my people some name like that? No I would not Dowen...My people follow because of love not fear... |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 966
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 6:18 am: |
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Hi Folks,
One of the most beautiful testimonies is when a
single mom comes to faith .. and then the family
is reunited. The faith and dedication of the
sister being a beacon to the separated husband.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1810
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.108.240
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 8:46 am: |
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and one of the most horrible things is when a "church" seperates families... |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 521
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 5:20 pm: |
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One of the most beautiful testimonies is when a single mom comes to faith .. and then the family is reunited. The faith and dedication of the sister being a beacon to the separated husband.
Amen and Amen
A beautiful testimony indeed! It is a testimony of the work "Christ in us" and the power of the Holy Spirit to change the lives of believers and to the love of Jesus working in the hearts of the couple. May the glory go to God.
Good day Prax, may God bless you,
FH |
seekingglory
Intermediate Member
Username: seekingglory
Post Number: 131
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 24.162.130.158
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 8:51 pm: |
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One of the most beautiful testimonies is when a single mom comes to faith .. and then the family is reunited. The faith and dedication of the sister being a beacon to the separated husband.
Shalom,
Praxaluh
Wow is your statement out of place or what?
To associate the above thought with HH is deceit.
Your above thought is a beautiful thing; too bad it could never happen at HH.
If the single mom comes to faith then we must assume she was lost. If she is lost then HH does not accept her in. She would never be considered for membership. They would not even attempt to reach her. Once she comes to faith and they put her through years of indoctrination; then she could be considered. |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 967
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 5:28 am: |
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S_G, your post is a muddle and simply makes
no sense. it appears to be a general canned rant
misapplied to a specific topic. And you are
historically wrong as well.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 522
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.162.187.179
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 6:22 am: |
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historically wrong
So what year was it? A guess would do. |