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hombre
Intermediate Member
Username: hombre
Post Number: 253
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 7:04 pm: | 
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http://overcomersonline.com/FUDforum2/index.php?t=msg&goto=443&S=21b86950b942f1e575d913dc4c7d356b#msg_443 |
healed
Intermediate Member
Username: healed
Post Number: 184
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 219.164.152.240
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 6:38 am: |
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Nobody is interested in your sermon hombre. Why dont you stick with the topic we are discussing here instead of some of your Freeman inspired teaching. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 180
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.92.43.177
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:59 pm: |
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And nobody is interested in your hatred of Freeman and those of us who follow the truth. Why don't you go bye bye like the rest of the people who left Freeman. |
healed
Intermediate Member
Username: healed
Post Number: 187
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 220.221.78.137
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 5:44 am: |
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whos on fawst?
well brother Mark is trying to get to first base with some gal over on a naughty site! |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 198
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.39.127
| | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 2:31 pm: |
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Hey healed, at least I didn't strike out like you did!  |
healed
Intermediate Member
Username: healed
Post Number: 189
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 220.99.213.227
| | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 8:10 pm: |
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whatever happened to brother FiveFoldFool (pronounced Fi Fo Fu) Him and brother Mark used to really go at it. I dont know how he found Marks post on that XXX site, but that was darn good work. Mark got caught with his pants down, so to speak. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 203
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.39.127
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 6:04 am: |
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Umm Healed. To answer you...Fivefold has his own chatroom which he condemns sinners like you.
And of course, he misinterpreted what I posted and started the stupidity which you saw. But I don't have to defend myself to him or you or any other idiot in this forum. So you can think that I went to a XXX site if you wish. You will be as much of a liar as Fivefold was...and you both have to answer to the same God as he does...for your lies and slander about me.
BTW...did you know that he was responsible for all the deaths of our American soldiers in Iraq?
Oh FYI, here is the link to his website: http://markley.violin.tripod.com/
BTW Healed, clean up your act and repent. I could care less what you or any other loser on this site says about me. God knows the truth anyway and He is on my side. And that's all I care about. |
healed
Intermediate Member
Username: healed
Post Number: 192
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 60.34.158.92
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 6:05 am: |
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Im not interested in Fi Fo Fus website. I always thought that you and him were cut from the same cloth, the only difference is that he is a Kenneth Copeland fanatic (if I remeber correctly) and your a Freemanite. I just thought it was funny and good research on Fi Fo Fus part when he caught you on that XXX site. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 205
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.39.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 6:03 pm: |
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And if you believe that I was on that XXX website, then you are as much of a liar as he is. And besides, even if I did, it is under the blood of Jesus anyway. So anyone that tries to bring it up is of the devil. Go talk to God about it. OK? If you can't post the truth, then don't post at all. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 206
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.39.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 6:08 pm: |
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And if you believe that I went to a XXX website, then you are as much a liar as Fivefoldfalseprophet is. And you know that no liar shall enter the kingdom of God. Even if I did, it is under the blood and forgiven and forgotten by God. So Go talk to God about my "sin". Your attempt to accuse me like Mr Prophetess is from the devil and not of God. So take my advice...if you can't post the truth, don't post at all. |
odysseus
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Username: odysseus
Post Number: 57
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.86.124
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 6:22 pm: |
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I’m a little confused. I read you went to a XXX website with the ‘Three Stooges’ in it? I’m just curious. How do the Three Stooges get involved in a porn site? That’s just sick!!!! |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 208
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.39.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 7:07 pm: |
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Odysseus, generally I won't talk to you because you are the one that is sick. But this is the real truth. If you believe or not, I just really don't care. I never really care what you think anyway. You want the truth? Here it is:
I was on a Three Stooges forum. Have you ever heard of cross posting on forums? It happens all the time. Someone from a pornographic website of some sort cross posted there. I responded as a joke...ON THE THREE STOOGES FORUM with a Three Stooges line. That was it. Nothing else. Period.
If you don't believe me, then it is you that are sick. Not me...and that goes for anyone else who thinks otherwise. Anyway, I don't give a care whether you do or not. God knows that I didn't go to a porno site at all. And even if I did, it is none of your business. You would be right that if a Christian did go to a porno site, it would be sick. But now, as Paul Harvey used to say, you have the rest of the views...errr news.
Sorry, I could not resist a Freemanite comment.
Now the world knows the truth that I did not go to a porno site. Now the world can see that the Three Stooges had nothing to do with porno sites.
Now the world can see that you are a liar if you believe that I visited one.
Any more questions, quiz kid? |
hombre
Intermediate Member
Username: hombre
Post Number: 254
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 5:28 pm: |
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quote:Nobody is interested in your sermon hombre. Why dont you stick with the topic we are discussing here instead of some of your Freeman inspired teaching.
The topic in this thread is the one I created.
If you want to talk about something else, then you are free to go somewhere else and do that. |
root
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Username: root
Post Number: 8
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 71.127.91.52
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 11:10 pm: |
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Has anyone here considered that one of the the reasons that Freemanites cling to their ideas so tenaciously is simply that they are so invested in their beliefs that the idea that they might be wrong is unimaginably scary to them?
For one thing, the nature of the belief system is very much "all or nothing" so if you begin to question one set of beliefs you have to question all of them. Can you imagine someone realizing that they went through all the "persecution", physical pain, loss of loved ones, etc. because of something that was flawed to the core? Not to mention the embarrassment when they realize how many times they have made fools out of themselves. Right now it is a source of pride for them to have "heathens" call them fools. Otherwise, they would have to admit that they actually were...fools.
So basically, they cannot bear to consider that they might...just might... be wrong. The cost is too high, and it hits them in their most sensitive nerve - the need to have secret truth and a special, elite status in Christendom. On the one hand they are a special, elite corps of Christian warrior, on the other, a miserable deluded failure who has wasted years focused on (and yet in denial of) their self-induced problems.
Actually, it may all come down to a basic fear of failure. Failure wasn't tolerated in FA, and these folks cannot face failure even now. So in fact, the stakes in their mind game continue to grow, as they invest year after year into their beliefs...what a terrible bondage! If only they would realize that it is ok to be wrong, to make mistakes, even to have labored for years under delusion, IF you can face it, admit it, give it to God and move on. There is no condemnation to the humble.
Anyway, just some thoughts...
(Message edited by root on February 21, 2007) |
passin_thru
Junior Member
Username: passin_thru
Post Number: 33
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 12.214.100.32
| | Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 12:29 am: |
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And, you said earlier you were all thumbs verbally. Bullcrap! Neat post!
There is truth in what you say. Fear and loss of status is part of it. There can also be the fear of losing salvation. And, if people stay in a cult long enough, they become the cult. It becomes their heart and soul. For those who don’t want to see, they can’t be forced to see. To them, it is all others who are blind. |
passin_thru
Junior Member
Username: passin_thru
Post Number: 37
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 12.214.100.32
| | Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 1:33 pm: |
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I went out to the ‘overcomers’ website. I figured since they advertise here on FACTNet, I was entitled. Of course, there are not too many participants. I mean Hobart Freeman died more than twenty years ago. Most people have moved on, in one form or another. There are certainly not many new recruits. To sign up now, would be like joining the Japanese army the day after the bomb dropped (a day late and a brick shy of a load).
Anyway, I waded thru some of the glory to Freeman and contempt for others. One of their theories for what went wrong caught my attention, “Is it possible that those who now despise the word that came forth from Faith Assembly are the same ones who turned the message into a lot of rules and laws…” Well now, that’s convenient! After all this time, they still blame others for their failure. I guess ‘overcomers’ just don’t have the faith to overcome adversity.
Then I thought how common it is for cults to have some group to blame. They have to rationalize the problems with their utopia. After all, utopia is perfect and without flaw. I also thought how dictators and tyrants employ the same tactic. It’s a method to keep control, status and power. Most people will do almost anything rather than admit failure. It’s ironic that part of coming to Jesus involves recognizing we are failures. |
passin_thru
Junior Member
Username: passin_thru
Post Number: 38
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 12.214.100.32
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 9:14 pm: |
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With the proper heart, critical thinking is invaluable. It’s part of discernment. It’s the difference between the National Inquirer and legitimate journalism. When applied to Hobart Freeman:
1. Freeman taught a doctrine where ‘living by faith’ meant guaranteed health and wealth. Most ‘word of faith’, ‘name it and claim it’, ‘blab it and grab it’ can be lumped together. Many people consider it to be some superior deep spiritualism. However, it can also be viewed as shallow and self-serving. Freeman took it a step further. He thought it was within his purview to put God to the test. So, Freeman added a new twist, no doctors.
2. People soon began suffering and dying.
3. Freeman’s own grandchild fell victim. Then Freeman himself died, unable to call down the promised healing.
4. People were left confused, hurt and spiritually stunted.
5. Within a generation, Hobart Freeman has been forgotten. The world has moved on to hundreds of new cults. One would think it’s rather easy to see where Hobart Freeman fits into the total scheme of things. Yet, a few hold on unable to break free.
The ‘strong word’ of Hobart Freeman taught self-righteousness, withdrawing from others and grasping for heavenly rewards. If Freeman’s doctrine is followed closely, then eventually most others are driven away. More and more time and attention are devoted to self-importance.
Of course, the teaching of the Lord is quite different. It spread rapidly, even though proponents were stoned, beheaded and fed to lions. In a single generation, the Word of Jesus was being preached throughout much of the known world, pretty good for 2,000 years ago. As the teaching of Jesus is followed, ‘self’ becomes less important. Following Jesus brings people closer to others. More and more time and attention are devoted to serving others.
Have you ever noticed how many Bible based cults use the ‘144,000’? The truth is no one fully understands it. God left it a mystery. Yet, false prophets are eager to create a whole theology around it. Cult members are taught they are superior and powerful. It becomes a hook. Once swallowed and set, it’s hard to get out of your craw.
P.S. Micah, you have posted several times a concern for ‘furthering the Kingdom of God’. It seems to be something close to your heart. I’m probably not telling you anything new, but it would seem you might have the gift of evangelism.
Odysseus, I agree we’re not the ones whining about things. I know I’m not still asking, “What went wrong with FA?” It’s obvious. It was one man’s BS. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 220
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 1:36 am: |
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I'll answer the question about what went wrong with FA...It was the people who made the principles Freeman taught and made them laws. The people screwed up FA, not FA. Get it right for a change. |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 79
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.32.21.17
| | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 1:44 am: |
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Passin_thru,
Thank you for your kind words. I don't see myself as having the "gift of evangelism" I see it as being a commandment that is found in the book of Matthew when he writes the words of Jesus that says this: "as you are going, make disciples of all men" (the reason for the quotation marks is because that is how you would interpret the words most accurately from the original Greek to English, And I am not trying to show off but I am learning Greek and so I find these little nuances interesting (for example) I mean that a lot of people mis-interpret Matthew 28:19 as being a command to leave the country you are in and preach the gospel,)
So what does that mean? I think that it means that we should do what Jesus did, be friends with sinners at our local bar, heal the sick, clothe the guys at the homeless shelter, visit the jailed gangsters and bring the Kingdom that he always spoke of to pass. It is up to us, and making disciples means that the people that I work with see something in me that rings true, and they want to learn from me, for example...... the agnostic that I work with (for 5 months now) really likes me and knows that I am on the up and up (so to speak) he knows that I am a Christian but he knows that I am different than the Christians that he knows. But what about me makes me different? Is it because I can tell him that Logos means word in Greek? Or that Jesus will heal me when I have a cold? Hell no. (as Paul says in Romans) (look it up for yourselves you fellow educated idiots) It is because I do what Jesus did, I don't look down on him and condemn him for his sin and treat him like I am in any way superior to him (even though I an his manager at work) I treat him like I love him, because I do. And that is what Jesus did.
So we ( or I ) go drink a beer at the pub with these people and they know that I am real, and what I tell them is this:
there is a new King, Satan's power has been broken and Jesus is King. He never promised that all our infirmities would be healed, if he did than no one would EVER die. (think about it) But he is the King and creation is being renewed as we speak, there is a lot to live for because there is a lot of work to be done. (and I find this particularly interesting because Paul talks about the mystery of the gospel as being a thing that people hear and believe, but you DO NOT find that in the “gospel” thats being preached today, its nothing but lies, lying for Jesus, telling people that our lives are perfect and if they would only accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour than their lives will be perfect just like ours.)
And its a LIE.
So why not tell the truth? There is a new King, his name is Jesus, and I would gladly tell you about his first miracle over a pint in the pub on main street.
And can we even begin to count the ways where FA went wrong there? Everyone in the surrounding communities thought that there was something sinister going on, (and rightfully so) There was a commandment from Hobart (as he INTERPRETED the Bible) to be UN-EQUALLY YOKED,
WTF? How did any of HIS disciples take that to believe that it was more important to estrange themselves from normal hurting people and cling only to the ones who shared the same belief system and their faulty “systematic theology” (found by mis-interpreting the book of Romans) and create a community of freaks?
That is NOT the GOSPEL... hello???? Anyone...???? |
passin_thru
Junior Member
Username: passin_thru
Post Number: 46
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 12.214.100.32
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Micah’s one page post reflects more faith, conviction and Christian service than all the ‘overcomer’ ravings put together.
Some call this ‘mushy baby food’? Try living it! More times than not, I know I fall way short. |
healed
Intermediate Member
Username: healed
Post Number: 198
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 220.99.215.202
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 5:29 am: |
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"I'll answer the question about what went wrong with FA...It was the people who made the principles Freeman taught and made them laws. The people screwed up FA, not FA. Get it right for a change".
Now Mark, I know even you can do better than that. I know recently you havent had brothas Duncan, Hombre, Tomax, and Moulder to back you up. But still that was a rather stupid post. Freeman made the laws, the people only went along with the mess he came up with out of fear. I dont seem to remember any admonishment coming from Freeman when folks were dying. Not one word do I remeber Mark! But I do seem to recall so many admonishments coming from Freeman when the word got "strong" and we all had to hunker down and make sure we werent in sin, like better not be in debt or wearing a t shirt with a logo on it. People werent making those rules Mark, Hobart was doing it from the pulpit. |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 83
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.32.21.17
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 12:58 am: |
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Healed, I could not agree more, I will never understand how foolish a person would have to be to "sit under" a teaching that lead to death and destruction and turn around and say that the leader is in no way, shape or form responsible. Its like saying that Bush is in no way, shape or form responsible for deaths in Iraq. HE NEVER SAID FROM THE PULPIT (oval office) THAT WE SHOULD GO KILL PEOPLE IN IRAQ.
(if he did...wow....must have been some killer weed)
But he gave the marching orders did he not?
This argument that the people went wrong is so ripe with bullshit it is almost funny. And about this "strong word"?
Where is the term "strong word" found in the gospel?
Its not, (but that is too easy, there are alot of things that we believe that are not in the gospel)
So what do we do with that?
First we have to define what exactly "strong word" means. Then we have to see it in the bible. Then we know if its true or not.
So I leave this one open for mark to answer.
(this should be so painfully easy, almost like peeing after two beers and riding in a car for 45 minutes)
What is a "strong word"?
Where is the evidence in the new testament that speaks to that?
And what is the mystery of the gospel? |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 226
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 6:19 am: |
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Read your New Testament and you will see that it is much different than what you get in your average church. Name it and you will see what I mean. Everything you see in the New Testament, for instance, the Sermon on the Mount, is heavy or "strong word". How many Christians do you know that can live it like Jesus commanded? Have you ever heard of people explaining that the Sermon is not for the Christian to live but it is, for instance, the laws of the millennium, for instance? Too strong for the average marshmellow nominal Christian. Think of what is being preached in your average church today. Is that "strong word"? Maybe for the baby in Christ. But not for those who are older. Some of us want more than the milk toast and pablum that the average church teaches today. You know...a 20 minute sermonette will always produce Christianettes.
On another note...Somewhere someone mentioned that growing up at FA, they had to sit through and endure 2 hours of teaching. I don't recall who said it. But the thought crossed my mind that it would be no problem sitting in front of the boob tube for 6-8 hours in a row and getting fed that junk they call entertainment..or shelling out hard earned money to go watch some Hollywood filth in a movie theatre. But sit in church and listen to a two hour sermon? Perish the thought. God's word is not important or else the average Christian is not hungry for the word. In the early days of the church, the word was preached ALL DAY. How many of today's Christians do you think could stand that? Not too many, I dare say.
Not boasting...but I can sit through three or more tapes in a row and not get tired of it.
As usual, another intelligent comment from the anti-Freemanite cult.
Ho hum. |
passin_thru
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Username: passin_thru
Post Number: 52
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 12.214.100.32
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Mark, I agree with you. Most churches and Christians don’t walk the walk. Many times, their behavior is no better than the non-church going population. I know a denomination that hands out condoms at their youth meetings. Such should not be the case! However, there are still churches that run the good race. Faith Assembly (FA) was not the last bastion of Christianity. The demise of Hobart Freeman and FA was not some dawning of dark ages for Christendom. Rather, Hobart Freeman was a tragic aberration. His life caused deaths. His death spared lives.
Living the Sermon on the Mount is a most worthy pursuit. The bare essential is to do everything out of love. If we actively pursue love, our behavior begins to align itself with God’s commands. He writes His law on our hearts. We often find we no longer want our sins. We outgrow them. We obey through love for God who loved us first. Our love serves others with gentle understanding and humility (There but for the grace of God go I).
Micah is studying Greek. Doesn’t the Greek definition of sin entail missing the mark? Well, Hobart Freeman missed the mark. He gave very little significance to love. The results were absolutely devastating. Love was replaced with legalistic adherence to his flawed message. As things spiraled out of control, Freeman sought to hunker down with even more strict revelations. I remember one tape where he made no guarantee of salvation for those who left. This shows he became deluded. Salvation was never his to dispense or withhold. He was a man in desperate trouble. However, he was the ‘anointed prophet’. He wasn’t permitted to have problems. In the end, he had created a subservient flock incapable of helping him, just as he was incapable of helping them or himself.
P.S. Per sitting through hours of instruction, don’t confuse endurance with devotion. The two are not equatable. Church is a place where all should be welcomed to worship and study the Bible, not just the strong in mind and body. For those who can assume a more strenuous schedule, they should study on their own or join a weekly Bible study or even enroll into a fulltime curriculum (i.e. Christian college of their choice). |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 84
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.32.21.17
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So Marks definition of a strong word was so vastly inspiring, He replies with "the whole new testament" then spews out some disgust for other christians and wraps it all up by blabbering about how quantity is quality.
Wow, I thought that one was going to be easy for him.
I see alot of good coming out of churches today, and I dont see the point of having all day sermons, and I know alot of people that live the sermon on the mount. Some of those people are not even christians. There are some agnostics that live the sermon on the mount more than some christians I know. Must not be too "strong" a word for them huh?
I am not really into christian sadomasochism.
You know that kind where people feel like if they are not being beaten down every sunday during a 2hr long sermon about how they dont measure up then they are not hearing a "strong" word and somehow that would put them on a lower playing feild with all the marshmellow christians.
A "strong" word never has and never will be anything more than a term for self mortification. That is the only definition of that word. If the whole New Testament is a strong word than how do you explain the (thousands) of Mormans in the city I live in that live the new testament more than the majority of people I know. If you know them by their fruits than the Mormans have the truth. They have "all the light" not some freak cult in a corfield whose members let their kids die from pnemonia. |
passin_thru
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Username: passin_thru
Post Number: 55
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 12.214.100.32
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 12:45 am: |
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Micah, I kind of like your take better than mine in some ways. I should not have butted in ahead of you. Sorry about that. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 230
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 5:04 pm: |
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Micah commented, "So Marks definition of a strong word was so vastly inspiring, He replies with "the whole new testament"
You know...I once asked where Brother Freeman was in error and someone replied, "the whole New Testament." I guess I take the heat when I said that the concept of the deeper word was the whole NT (I mentioned the Sermon on the Mount btw. Please get your facts right for a change.)
As Brother Freeman used to say, Oh consistency. Thou art a jewel!"
You guys are a joke. |
odysseus
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Username: odysseus
Post Number: 64
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.86.124
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 6:31 pm: |
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Hobart Freeman never derided his pessimist’s. You must have a special dispensation from God to castigate the brethren. It must be good to be an overcan’t huh? |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 85
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.36.197.244
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 2:38 am: |
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Mark,
You missed my whole point (but I expected that)
I have deep seated disgust for the term "strong word"
I said it once and I will say it agian, because it is worth repeating, the term "strong word" is just a term for self mortification. (a catholic tradition of punishing ones body with whips and other instruments to inflict physical pain in a attempt to identify with the pain our Lord and Savior on the cross and to in a way pay penance for our sin)
That is all your "strong word" is.
A way of saying that if christians are "sitting under" anything that does not continually point out their own flaws and how and where they dont add up to the righteousness of God they are nothing more than marshmellow christians and they are subserviant to those of us who have "all the light"
Bullshit.
What is the mystery of the gospel?
I asked you once and you chose not to reply.
so I ask you again?
When Saint Paul talks about the mystery of the gospel, what is he talking about?
This should be like falling out of a car for you.
But I know its not, because falling out of a car should be easy, but have you ever tried it?
So Mark,
What is the mystery of the gospel that Saint Paul speaks of in Romans 16:25?
open door now... |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 232
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 5:56 am: |
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When you give me the answer that I asked for a while ago...namely, give me chapter and verse where Freeman was wrong...then I will answer your question. No never mind. I forgot....you won't. Rather...you can't.
Case closed.
I have no more time for this nonsense from you anti-Freeman cult members. |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 87
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.36.197.244
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 1:37 am: |
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you are right, I cannot give one single verse that proves that Hobarts interpretation of that verse was wrong.
And likewise,
You cannot provide me with one verse that proves that my interpretation of the Bible is wrong.
We both believe in the bible and we both view things in a vastly different way.
So this nonsense about using scripture to disprove or prove interpretation is logically and intellectually ignorant.
So give up on this stupid plea, (the way "I" interpret the bible is better than the way "YOU" interpret the bible)
(my dad can beat your dad up)
Stop reasoning like a child, embrace wisdom instead of running the other way with both fingers planted firmly in your ears saying LALALALALALALAL at the top of your lungs.
I dont know how I can state it any more simpler. (hehe)
If you want to talk about how you interpret the bible we could have a conversation, We could both use the same book to "prove" where we are coming from. Give up your silly little game that you can only play with yourself and embrace the real world, the kingdom that is being established on earth right now like it is in heaven. |
mark1124
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Username: mark1124
Post Number: 238
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.92.43.177
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 1:40 pm: |
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I don't play games, micah. I umpire them.
We don't need to interpret the Bible our way. What does the Bible say? That's the interpretation. And Freeman taught it the way the Bible says. I can't help it if your interpret it a different way. And I don't give a hoot about your studies. What saith the scripture is all that matters to me.
Like I said...game over. Says the umpire. |
odysseus
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Username: odysseus
Post Number: 65
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.86.124
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 5:52 pm: |
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Marks reply to Micah sound’s like Mark hasn’t accomplished the ’being dead to self’ thing yet. Maybe he better re-read the Deeper Life book again. Or he could watch the movie, it would be quicker.
I pity the home team that has an ‘Over-can’t’ for an umpire. Maybe they should know who they have for an umpire; they might want to replace him. Mark who do you umpire for? I think they should know who you really are.
They should know about your internet browsing habits too, (you know the 3 stooges and XXX porn?) The parents of the kids you’re umpiring for might want to know a little more about you. In the meantime please stay away from young children.
(Message edited by odysseus on March 13, 2007) |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 239
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 8:20 pm: |
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Another intelligent comment from the anti-faith heretic cult. If I were to write a book on all the intelligent comments you have made here, I doubt I could get one paragraph written. |
odysseus
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Username: odysseus
Post Number: 66
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.86.124
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:06 pm: |
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Common now Mark, you’re dead to self…. remember? |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 241
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:29 pm: |
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Do you know what that means, oh antifremmanite? |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 91
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 67.42.169.206
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 11:55 pm: |
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So you are telling me that there is no interpretation when it comes to the bible?
Find one scholar (including Hobie) that will agree with you. The bible does NOT speak for itself. You have to read it. And unless you read Hebrew or Greek you have to INTERPRET it. Come on, for the love of God and all things sacred dont be so stupid in your posts.
And I will also add that even if you do reasd greek and hebrew you have to have understanding about the culture that it was written in to even begin to grasp the deeper meaning of it.
The kingdom of heaven is simple, that is the mystery of the gospel that Paul speaks of, he basicaly said, "hey, there is a new king in town and his name is Jesus" and PEOPLE BELIEVED!!! |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 92
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 67.42.169.206
| | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 1:42 am: |
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how many people believe your gospel mark1124?
are they few and far between?
yup they are.
So why is the mystery of the gospel not working for you?
The bible is not about God healing you, it is about a new kingdom being established. Thats all.
That is it. The thing. The one and ONLY thing.
The kingdom of heaven.
Thats the spit, so to speak.
Now brother mark-one-one-two-four, I implore you again, for all things sacred...
and for all of us here on this forum that can speak and think for ourselves...
stop being so stupid in your posts. |
mark1124
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Username: mark1124
Post Number: 242
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 7:08 am: |
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Another intelligent comment from the faith failure cult |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 93
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 67.42.169.206
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 12:45 am: |
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so the kingdom of heaven is nonsense to you Mark? Is that what you are saying?
Wow, I thought you knew too much of "the word" to be that ignorant.
So you are going to try and tell me that Jesus WHOLE ENTIRE life and ministry was something OTHER than the fact that the kingdom of Satan was defeated and Jesus is KING?
If you deny that you deny the very power of the bible.
Dont be a fool.
Dont continue to spew bullshit like its going out of style. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 245
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 9:16 am: |
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Allow me to laugh at your monkey crap.
You know better than that. I think. |
odysseus
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Username: odysseus
Post Number: 67
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.105.58
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 11:37 am: |
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"Monkey Crap"?
I just get a kick out of you ‘Over-Cant’s’
It’s so sad to see a person hoodwinked to the point that Mark is. But that’s what’ happens to your brain when you visit naughty web sites. Mark, I tried to warn you, remember? Mark, you need to stop doing that. It’s a sick perversion. Go find a girlfriend, or get a hobby or something!
Mark there’s help even for folks with marginal intelligence like yours. We know you have an obsession with the three Stooges. It’s been in your past posts. The good news is you can be delivered from the three Stooge’s Demons. What you need to do is lay on your side in the fetal position and say NYUK, NYUK,, NYUK, NYUK, then spin around in a counter-clockwise motion and say WOO, WOO, WOO, WOO!, until all the demons are released.
Or in you could wait for Hombre to write a lengthy screed about what your problem is. I’m sure he’ll blame it on your lack of faith and the mainstream churches. I have to say he’s a master of spreading the horse-manure. You know it’s actually funny, his life is a mess and he’s preaching to others. You both need to go on the road and do an act together. You could call yourself the Over-Can’t Brothers. Now that would be entertainment! |
mark1124
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Username: mark1124
Post Number: 250
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 5:29 pm: |
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And you can be our road manager.
Oh I have a scripture for you to look up.
Proverbs 10:18
and don't forget:
Proverbs 17:28
and let's not forget:
Proverbs 26:11
and one for the road:
Proverbs 13:16
Have a nice day |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 251
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 5:43 pm: |
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And you can be our road manager.
Oh I have a scripture for you to look up.
Proverbs 10:18
and don't forget:
Proverbs 17:28
and let's not forget:
Proverbs 26:11
and one for the road:
Proverbs 13:16
Have a nice day |
hombre
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 263
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 11:56 am: |
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Mark, don't let these guys irritate you and pull you into a name calling match. That's what they're after. Just use the sword, and let the truth do the work. Those who may read these posts will see the difference, even if our adversaries don't. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 253
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 6:38 pm: |
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Thanks hombre. I haven't been around for a while so they won't get anything from me anymore. I gave them the truth and they will not believe it. There's nothing more that I can say or do. They are in the Lord's hands now. |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 101
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 168.103.37.169
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 3:09 am: |
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no safer place to be.
thank you mark. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 272
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 7:34 pm: |
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Yes. You are in the Lord's hand Micah...to receive the spanking that you desperately need. |
micah
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Username: micah
Post Number: 102
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 168.103.37.169
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 3:05 am: |
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mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 276
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 3:08 pm: |
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I don't think you will be laughing when you find yourself in the hands of a righteous God. |
odysseus
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Username: odysseus
Post Number: 72
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.105.58
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 6:42 pm: |
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I think you’ll actually be weeping when you discover how you wasted your life.
That’s when you’ll see that you’ve actually been following… (How do you say), ‘Man-ology’? Which is ironically the very thing you accuse us of. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 279
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 11:55 pm: |
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Hmm...wasting my life on the truth of God's word? Wow...such inspiration and revelation.
If spending my life in the word of God like I do is a wasted life, then I wonder what an "overcoming life" is. Remember that message?
No I guess not.
Time to leave so that I can go waste my life in the word of God. |
drallen_wilson
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Username: drallen_wilson
Post Number: 7
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 75.3.250.13
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 11:49 pm: |
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Odysseus, you are so deep even God cant find you. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 305
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
| | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 4:11 pm: |
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HA HA HA HA I love it! |
johiyom
Intermediate Member
Username: johiyom
Post Number: 120
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 75.185.69.124
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 1:17 pm: |
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mark1124 said:
"I'll answer the question about what went wrong with FA...It was the people who made the principles Freeman taught and made them laws. The people screwed up FA, not FA. Get it right for a change."
I had to go back through and read some posts and found this statement from mark1124. His statement makes absolutely no sense. Weren't we taught by Freeman that a church is not a building, that the people themselves ARE the church? Therefore, FA was the people and the people were FA.
You can't separate one from the other, as if FA was this abstract entity, this thing, this idea and the people were entirely something else, different. THEY WERE ONE AND THE SAME.
The other lie is he and others like hombre state it was peer pressure and put NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER on Freeman or the other leaders. Peer pressure has a source. It had a source at FA. And that was PULPIT PRESSURE. It conceived and gave birth to, produced the peer pressure. They went hand in hand. Two sides of the same coin.
(Message edited by JOhiyoM on October 09, 2007) |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 412
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.22.220.159
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 4:41 pm: |
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Ho hum. That dribble deserves no answer. I'll stay with the word. |
odysseus
Member
Username: odysseus
Post Number: 85
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.105.58
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 5:13 pm: |
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Mark Scaliotti (aka Mark 1124) your way out of your league. I suggest that you go back to officiating ball games in Salem Massachusetts or the Somerville area. Better yet, maybe I ought to call the schools to let them know what kind of an internet prowler you are. My thinking is the schools aren’t going to want you around officiating ball games due to a possible harm to their young folks.
I saw your picture on Overcant’s dot com. You seem to look exactly like the kind of person I wouldn’t want around my kids or grandkids. Eeeeek!
You should be ashamed of yourself GOODNESS GRACIOUS! Frequenting a ‘Three Stooges’ porno website? You desperately need female companionship and you need deliverance from the Curly Demon.
Just say “Hey Moe hey Larry! Woo woo woo woo!” Repeat as often as necessary…………..this will bring you relief. |
mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 413
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.22.220.159
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Hey Odor...you need deliverance. Come here and I will cast them out of you. Nice of you to believe the lies of Fivefoldedupfool. It just makes you as much of a liar as he is. You're a sick dude, man. You do need help. Too bad you got away from the true word of God that Freeman preached. You are so deluded now. I pity you son.
I'll stay with the truth. You do whatever you do...of yeah, accuse people of going to porno sites and supporting the war in Iraq, like your buddy Fivefoldedup face.
Time for you to go back into your closet and play with your demon spirits. Hey this is your time of the year...Halloween, when the demon spirits come out and play. Why don't you join them. You would be in good company.
And I never knew that the Stooges were involved in pornography. I am so disappointed in them now. I guess I won't watch them anymore.
An internet prowler? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thanks odor, I needed a good laugh. You just made my day for tomorrow. LOL.
And BTW, I do not have a Curly demon. I have the Holy Spirit in me. And I do have female companionship.
And BTW...my board of umpires conducts a background check on me every few years as required by law...and I pass in flying colors. I wouldn't want to do a background check on you. I'm sure that it would take reams of paper of information on your sordid background. Mine is clean.
And even if there was anything on my record, my record in heaven is clean. Ask the Bookkeeper. After all, unlike what that heretic Fivefoldedupness says, my sins are under the blood of Jesus.
So go pick on someone else. Oh I see...you can't with Hombre because he is always right. So you try to pick on me. But guess what...so am I.
Next question, please.
And by the way, don't give me the overcomers line since you have no clue what overcoming is.
You're just a typical persecutor of what is true and right and honest. You are a failure in the deeper life walk and a persecutor of those who stay the straight and narrow as proclaimed by our Lord Jesus Christ. Try living it, Mr Odor. Forget it. You mock what Jesus said anyway. You can't live it. You would rather live the road that leads to destruction. So be it. Have a nice life. I will stay with the truth. You can believe in lies if you want. You're father is the father of lies anyway so that is no surprise to me.
Try walking in the truth some time. The light is much better than the darkness you are walking in now. |
christlicher_soldat
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Username: christlicher_soldat
Post Number: 23
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 164.111.202.141
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 8:27 pm: |
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Odysseus, please don't play their game. You only reinforce their persecution mentality when you insult. |
odysseus
Member
Username: odysseus
Post Number: 86
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.105.58
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 8:40 am: |
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christlicher_soldat, you are correct.
Mark 11:24 I would like to apologize for making fun at you at your expense. You’re not a bad person. I got a carried away with my off the wall ‘humor’ but that’s no excuse. I don’t consider you an enemy or even a bad person. So please accept my apologies.
You know the Three Stooges comedies were one thing my Father and I used to love to watch together. (Also Bugs bunny cartoons on Saturday.) Something about slapstick comedy and guys. I think it’s male thing, women don’t understand it. Anyway, please accept my apologies. I’m sure you’re a good and decent person. I went over the line on this one. |
