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no_no
Junior Member
Username: no_no
Post Number: 34
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 72.130.100.144
| | Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 4:52 am: | 
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A question was asked about witchcraft,not the garden variety from occultic books or tradition however.
Is manipulating information and giving the best possible "impression" or hiding corruption a form of witchcraft? Is there a type of psychological and spiritual witchcraft or sorcery in Scientology and Dianetics?
There are people in ministry who have soulish witchcraft active on a regular basis or "their own will" being angrily and desperately prayed.
It isn't just the people who are angry with or disapproving of a ministry who have this problem.
If Carman was praying for someone to "give up", and he concentrated and focused and was fueled by a victim or control mentality, he could send oppressions to a person or persons to "give up" and it would rest on their other areas of living even on life, on their talent and so on.
He would have to ask *God* if that was the correct thing to pray. You can be heavily oppressed by a blanket of sadness or demotivation when someone is trying to control you through prayer and get their will done. His prayers or Vada's ill will or judgments on the parts of those who are incredibly self righteous can truly send an oppression or bondage and hinderances. God won't allow that forever.
Its understandable why he might pray that about some people but he would have to be very and exceptionally responsibly, careful and hear from God first before he set in motion some demons or witchcraft towards those he wishes to control in some way.
Also, it really isn't very kosher that he or someone is allowing comments that are purely positive about the Champion movie on MySpace. The reason why is because there are some things in the making and the movie that are not godly. I won't re-hash some of the moral questions and facts of married actress issues and more so, however being in the position I am and knowing so much about film and the professionals involved that movie has real and genuine spiritual problems. It was clearly distinct that Carman was attracted or had a crush as others have mentioned previously. If he would edit the movie and take out the kissing and some other scenes then it could possibly cease being such a clear bad example.
If Carman is actually called by God to do films then he would need to be especially careful to not do what the world calls okay. I think its cheap that he is trying to defend and to revamp the film on MySpace. A true review and opinion must contain both sides, and many reflections.
There were many people who were sincerely outraged by aspects of that production.
Shame on you Carman and your MySpace jockeys.
You could have made such a ministerial film if ego and morality were in a different position.
Don't you love the Body of Jesus Christ enough to change that picture before you ever allow it to be re-broadcast? Would Jan spend the money, which she assuredly can and has, to edit and to discard old copies and replace them world wide?
Do you love the Lord enough to do that? Have you repented for what is wrong in the film and in your heart? If you have repented, why are you defending yourself on MySpace? Let some of the people who were offended speak freely there. That would be more honest and Christian.
Do you admit that there was "anything" wrong in the movie? Does the Bible say to not even eat meat in front of someone if it offends them?
How much do those kind of things exist or matter in your life chippy? NO, not how much you say they do, how much they really do.
*You talk and sing a very big walk, but something...is not gelling. |
no_no
Junior Member
Username: no_no
Post Number: 35
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 72.130.100.144
| | Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 5:06 am: |
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"Do nothing out of vain and selfish ambition."
"Love does not seek its own..."
"He who is a friend to the world is at emnity with God."
"Do not let even a hint of sexual immorality be known among you."
"Be swift to hear, and slow to speak."
"Hate that which is evil and cling to that which is good".
*Read Proverbs chapter 27 and "let this mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus"!
We should only hate evil and not each other or our dissenters. Carman's people fans or friends, should not hate and pray against those who do not drink a proverbial worship drink of unity in all dreams and goals Carman, simultaneously putting the production of preaching or selling the Gospel above the mandates of Jesus and all of the scripture that commands love and forgiveness.
I believe and sense that there is a great deal of hating going on and isn't holy or Christian.
Those who claim to be on a holy mission about Carman or who are connecting their lives and identities to him and his professional endeavors, are often demonstrating the greatest capacity and expressions of hate. Then of course they dishonestly deny it and try to manage and craft their image. Is that a kind of witchcraft or idolatry? |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 228
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 59.101.188.225
| | Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 6:58 am: |
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What are you on about no-no? Where did you get that fro? That Carman is praying against people or for someone to "give up", that is real nasty words you have come out with, and kissing someone in a movie wherein they have a relationship is not wrong, how is that wrong? They are two actors, it is make-believe.
Carman is a brother in Christ and as Christians we should defend the brethren and sistren, what is your problem? You make out he's the devil, and Vada the devil's helper. And anyone who defends him idolators. (yeah I know it's mis spelt, give me a break!) |
witness4god
Member
Username: witness4god
Post Number: 75
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 70.120.179.79
| | Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 12:14 pm: |
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Hi No-no,
Well Little sister, God threw me in the mix from the get go. I know that I am not perfect. I am saved by Grace and after all Jesus came for the imperfect and not the perfect.
I have heard and seen and prayed etc etc been through the mix of pro- and con people and all the while I have never seen anyone who had valid points or agendas against Carman.
But we did attend his Concert in October and it was the most uplifting and Holy Spirit charged and God worshipping thing we have been to.
God is working and blessing my new little family and we all went up front to re-dedicate ourselves as a family and that was God thing.
I am sorry about your husband and I have already been praying for his salvation. That is God's good and perfect will to save.
I am sure that none of us are perfect yet the Lord is sovereign and He will use anyone to do His will.
I wish you peace. That is only something God can grant us.
Regardless of our mistakes, God doesn't throw us away. Isn't that the GOOD NEWS, the Gospel?
As far as witchcraft, any kind, it never prospers. Only the prayers and thoughts desires of God almighty Go onward and are granted.
Sincerely,
witness, saved by grace |
alexisd
New member
Username: alexisd
Post Number: 18
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 70.101.214.126
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 2:05 am: |
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I heard he got a new myspace up |
gorobb
Junior Member
Username: gorobb
Post Number: 45
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 12.177.80.126
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 9:12 am: |
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i read at myspace and felt very controlled. could not stop. only took a break for a slim jim and a yoo-hoo. then back to the controlling carman myspace |
gorobb
Junior Member
Username: gorobb
Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 166.102.241.106
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 2:41 pm: |
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he's doing it again... whhhhhhyyyyyyy he's controlling me he's making me read his myspace page again make him stop. its a bozo no-no, No-No |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 235
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 59.101.195.156
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 7:53 pm: |
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gorob, do you girate your hips when you say your name, tell you what, I'll clap, you dance GoRob, gorob, gorob!!! |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 236
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 59.101.195.156
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 8:00 pm: |
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Perhaps that'll take your mind off things, cmon, you can do better than that rob, gorob, gorob, gorob, I'll even give you a tweety bird whistle. Hey, I'll dance with you if you feel embarassed, cmon rob, gorob, gorob, gorob. |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 237
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 59.101.195.156
| | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 12:02 am: |
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Essentially what I am saying is that with a name like gorob you don't seem like you're in a position to be throwing any stones, so perhaps you'd be better off dancing or gyrating your hips with your arms out doing the same motion |
j2theperson
Advanced Member
Username: j2theperson
Post Number: 770
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 65.27.68.96
| | Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 6:32 pm: |
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Out of curiousity, what exactly is the address of Carman's myspace page? |
hope_faith_and_love
Advanced Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 521
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.207.189.16
| | Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 2:48 pm: |
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I do not think that any of the "official" Carman myspaces that have been appearing of late are his. However, I thought that myspace would not allow people to do this unless the person behind it let everyone know that they were not the person the website was "dedicated" to... Anyone know if these myspaces are by Carman? If it is not him, then maybe someone else will know what whoever is doing this hopes to gain. Is it someone really that desperate for Carman to be back on myspace that they would create a false myspace just so they can have the sense of his presence there? Or does this person hope to somehow harm him or those who genuinely supports and wants the best for him? Does the person hope to get information from people who leave comments or emails there? Is this possible? It is just strange how people who admitted to causing problems in the past are the ones who now leave comments. I keep getting the feeling that they know it isn't him and they want to harass him and show him that they can still be part of his life rather he wants them there or not. It has been disturbing to see how these Christians have behaved on factnet, but it is even more disturbing that so many Christians agreed with what went on and believed it was right what those Christians were doing because they were doing it to a minister of God's. I remember one woman long ago had apparently sent out a mass of emails to all the chatters trying to save them from Carman, but it was always Carman who needed rescuing from these "Christians" that don't want to be shaken loose from his ministry-- ministers who traveled in circles, fathers and mothers with single/divorced-daughters, fat-ones, skinny-ones, "bellamania-ones" too, and the archtypical "busy-bodies", along side the "well-meaning" friends with knives in hand... As David cried out to God, I cry out to God to rescue Carman from all his enemies... |
onebellamia
New member
Username: onebellamia
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2007
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 1:56 am: |
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GEZZZ TAKE A BREATH. I THOUGHT MYSAPCE WAS FOR KIDS.. AS FOR CARMAN NEEDING RESCURE. LEAVE IT IN GODS HANDS HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN RESCURE CARMAN . MAYBE IT WAS TIME FOR THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN. |
grace2u
Advanced Member
Username: grace2u
Post Number: 877
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 1:57 am: |
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hfl,
I was on myspace for a brief time. I don't know about Carman but I do know that there was someone on myspace that created a myspace page for another "female" Christian artist that looked and "acted" very, very legitimate. Then I received an email on myspace by another person who said that they were the brother-in-law of this individual and they wanted to let me (and I am assuming others) know that this person was not the artist.
I think myspace does have the requirement that you stated above but myspace has probably become a monster to govern.
I saw Porgy and Bess tonight and although there were a few elements that I probably didn't care for - it was again - another masterpiece.
The main thing that stood out in my mind is how Porgy cared for Bess regardless of her weaknesses and personality flaws, etc. Others would call her some very bad things but he always tried to see the good in her. This hit home to me in quite a few ways. We as Christians should try to see each other in that light. That doesn't mean that we throw judgment out the door. Wrong is wrong and right is right. It's just sometimes - when you look for and expect the best in people - the best comes out. In this story it did for a while although circumstances (satan trying to throw the past up) came up and lied to Bess. Still Porgy reminded me of Christ loving us regardless of our mistakes.
Just thought I would share. |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 241
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 59.101.207.153
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 6:17 am: |
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Don't know who you're talking about, but I do know what you're talking about, and for me it is that blood is thicker than water, that is also true with our spiritual brothers and sisters, in actual fact it should be truer with them, where you love thewm regardless, not that you put up with behaviour you don't approve of, but you still love them apart from their behaviour. |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 242
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 59.101.207.153
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 9:17 am: |
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Well HFL, you give yourself a great rap there, pity your friends can't say the same about your loyalty! At least the friends you made on here say you are a backstabber and a trouble maker, only good words about yourself seem to come out of your own mouth.
(Message edited by julia on April 15, 2007) |
hope_faith_and_love
Advanced Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 522
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.207.189.16
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 9:52 am: |
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julia,
What friend have I stabbed in the back?
Loyalty means a being loyal. Loyal means--"1.faithful to one's sovereign, government, or state.
2.faithful to one's oath, commitments, or obligations.
3.faithful to any leader, party, or cause, or to any person or thing conceived as deserving fidelity.
4.characterized by or showing faithfulness to commitments, vows, allegiance, obligations, etc."
God has taught me that I must be loyal only to Him.
g2u
Jesus called Peter "You Satan!" because Peter was trying to keep Jesus from fulfilling what He was anointed to do. Peter was trying to protect Jesus. How much more would Jesus call these people Satan who are trying to keep Carman from doing what God anointed him to do by people who go by His name? Jesus taught to much that has been given and much is required. These Christians have been given much... they have been given the entire Word of God... Much more will be demanded of them than those who opposed God in the past.
onebellamia
God sometimes uses people to rescue and/or come to the aid of His people. But do not worry, Carman knows that it is what these people are doing that God is using to bring him to "a whole other level" in his relationship with God. God promised that those who go out sowing seeds in tears will return reaping a harvest in joy.
(Message edited by hope, faith, and love on April 15, 2007) |
onebellamia
New member
Username: onebellamia
Post Number: 4
Registered: 3-2007
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 2:09 pm: |
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hfl
YES THIS IS VERY TRUE, GOD DOES WORK THROUGH OTHERS TO COME TO OUR RESCURE. I AGREE, ALSO WE MUST HAVE AN OPEN HEART. GOD ALSO GAVE US OUR OWN WILL. (THE FLESH). LIKE WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BATTLE FOR A CHRISTIAN WHO IS TRYING WALK IN GODS LIGHT. I KNOW FOR MYSELF I HAVE TO WAKE UP WITH THE ARMOR OF THE LORD ON. AND IN MY LIFE I HAVE SEEN THE LORD WORK THROUGH OTHERS TO GIVE ME STRENTH EVERYDAY. AND I PRAISE HIM AND THANK HIM ALWAYS! AND I THANK YOU FOR SHARING. |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 243
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 59.101.207.153
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 4:16 pm: |
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It was written clearly and loudly in an other post, from people you were having contact with. I don't have time to go through them, but I do recall it.
Loyalty is important and if you can't be loyal to your friends who you can see, how can you be loyal to Jesus, who you can't see?
"The way you have done it to the least of these is the way you have done it onto me", do these words ring a bell?
"Loyal to God only" sounds a good cop out to be completely disloyal.
You are right up Carman's behind and frankly it makes me sick.
You're gonna cry out like David to save Carman from his enemies? Please, don't you think Carman can do this himself?
If you were to go into your prayer closet and do it quietly, it's a different story, but coming on here and telling the world how you're gonna cry out like David? Making yourself out to be the only righteous person around, and giving Carman "advice" which is knowledge of primary school. This type of stuff makes me want to puke. |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 244
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 59.101.207.153
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 5:13 pm: |
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Whilst it is true we should pledge our loyalty to God first, it is also true we are His representatives, and loyalty [faithfulness], is a fruit of the Spirit. |
grace2u
Advanced Member
Username: grace2u
Post Number: 882
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 11:48 pm: |
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HFL,
I am trying to read your post to me in context but I'm having a little problem doing that. It may be just me. I've had a hard time understanding what people are saying in "almost" every post that I have read on FACTNET this weekend and seem to be taking things as an attack towards me. |
hope_faith_and_love
Advanced Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 523
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.207.189.16
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 1:08 am: |
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grace,
My post was not intended as an attack on you. I was trying to explain to you that Jesus was not always "nice sounding" with His friends. What was written was not directed to you as much as it was to those who are Christians who go to such lengths to harm Carman. I know you are trying to learn from your mistakes with your previous actions toward Carman. If it sounds like I was directing it to you I was really only using what you had written to address what others were doing. |
grace2u
Advanced Member
Username: grace2u
Post Number: 883
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 8:01 am: |
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That's what I thought. Just sensitive because of some other posting in other places I guess. |
grace2u
Advanced Member
Username: grace2u
Post Number: 892
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 4:13 am: |
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 I was curious and searched myspace and even the Internet but I can't figure it out. LOL! See Alex - you got me curious. Oh well hope you in wings are still talking.
Jesus is the only one you'll ever need! |
wingsaglow
Advanced Member
Username: wingsaglow
Post Number: 664
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.213.141.207
| | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 11:06 am: |
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Hi Grace, yes we are still talking and she is a wonderful lady. We have many friends on myspace and the fellowship is awesome. We are all uplifting each other, and sending daily messages with fun pictures. It's a whole new way of talking with other Christians all around the world.
Have a wonderful day
Wingsy |
grace2u
Advanced Member
Username: grace2u
Post Number: 893
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:55 pm: |
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Thanks! Glad to hear it. It's funny - from her posts I had this picture in my head of a Las Vegas escort worker or something. LOL! (Not judging - her posts just made me curious.) |
wingsaglow
Advanced Member
Username: wingsaglow
Post Number: 665
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.213.141.207
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 12:39 am: |
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No she's a very beautiful woman, and is a very cool lady that I like to fellowship with. She makes a very good friend and I'm pleased to have her as one of mine.
Have a wonderful evening
Wingsy |
grace2u
Advanced Member
Username: grace2u
Post Number: 894
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 11:52 am: |
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alexisd
New member
Username: alexisd
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 70.101.214.126
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 3:14 pm: |
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awww..thanks guys! |
lampost
New member
Username: lampost
Post Number: 2
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 164.111.27.38
| | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 1:49 am: |
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As far as myspace goes. I want my myspace to be Hisspace. Ya heard me?
I got this request to be friends from someone I did not recognize. So i went to this person's space and it had scriptures all over it and half naked women in the back ground. It was wierd. I mean you felt violated just going to the window of icons to click the email button because it was on a females half naked booty.
So i wrote him and told him that I have received his request but that I was confused. I mean if your going to do it, do it. Be as cold as you want. Half naked pictures all over, would have made sense. But dont do both. That's what really was crazy and confusing.
So I later found out that it was my cousin on my husbands side. So he wrote back and said, I was right and he has now changed it to pictures of Tupac! LOL! Oh well. |