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wise_as_a_serpent
Junior Member
Username: wise_as_a_serpent
Post Number: 32
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.162.187.174
| | Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 6:37 am: | 
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Praxaluh, here is a quote of yours from another thread. Since I don’t want to litter that thread with off topic items, I’ll start a new one.
Here, whatever HH folks do will be used as a cause of offense by the oppos. That is their modus operandi, as they have no community, no
fellowship, and no accountability for their blase attempts to distort fascinating Biblical questions for their singular-focused attempt to attack a Christian fellowship which takes their
responsibilities before God earnestly, sincerely, with dedication.
No community? What is your definition of community? |
wise_as_a_serpent
Junior Member
Username: wise_as_a_serpent
Post Number: 34
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 6:07 pm: |
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I don't wish to erroneously assume the dictionary definition of community as what you are writing about. It obviously is not. Nor do I wish to speculate on what it is. You may have explained 'community' elsewhere. If so, just direct me to it. |
wise_as_a_serpent
Junior Member
Username: wise_as_a_serpent
Post Number: 40
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 12:46 pm: |
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Since it has been over three and a half weeks since I posited my question to Praxaluh, I'll have to assume that either it isn't worth his time, or that he can't answer it.
Doubtful that it is the time, as he seems to have plenty of time to post on this forum; so, I'll assume that it is the latter.
If we use the dictionary definition of community:
1. a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage.
2. a locality inhabited by such a group.
3. a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists (usually prec. by the): the business community; the community of scholars.
4. a group of associated nations sharing common interests or a common heritage: the community of Western Europe.
5. Ecclesiastical. a group of men or women leading a common life according to a rule.
6. Ecology. an assemblage of interacting populations occupying a given area.
7. joint possession, enjoyment, liability, etc.: community of property.
8. similar character; agreement; identity: community of interests.
We see that all of you belong to a community (definition 1), so that can’t be want Praxaluh means.
Definition 2 doesn’t refer to a person, it refers to a place, so that definition is out.
Definition 3 must be what he is referring to, as Homestead Heritage would fit that definition. The other definitions (with the possible exception of number 5), as well, don’t fit the description.
So by reading Praxaluh’s snippet that I supplied above, because ForeverHis doesn’t belong to a ‘community’, it is part of the source of her problem of erratic and irrational (and ungodly?) posting. Therefore, one must belong to a ‘community’, or their contribution, by Praxaluh’s standard, are suspect and therefore subject to ridicule and scorn. If that be the case, then I am doing nothing more than ranting here, as is every other poster, including Praxaluh, since he nor I, nor anybody else posting here belongs to a ‘community’ either.
Of course, as I’ve tried to explain here, and as have some others, the obvious answer is that ‘no community’, ‘no fellowship’ etc. have nothing to do with anything, but are only an ad hominem attack in order to denigrate the writer so that the message is rejected. This seems to be a reasonable explanation, as reviewing Praxaluh’s posts, many never deal with answering the accusations, only ridiculing the messenger. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1829
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.34.110
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:07 pm: |
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wise as a serpent- did you ever live at HH? |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1830
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.34.110
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:17 pm: |
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and who has no community that prax mentions?
I think we all have a community that we belong to. You do not have to live in a village to belong to the community of the saved. |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 986
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 7:28 pm: |
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Hi Folks,
Serp,
I didn't respond directly because it seemed you
were heading down a rabbit trail and I wasn't
interested in the jog. My instincts were proven right.
Your misunderstand the basics. I never said or
implied that F_H or anyone else is erratic and
irrational or should be subject to ridicule and
scorn because they are not part of a community.
That is simply a false accusation on your part.
Much simpler, it is very easy for someone not in
community, with no track record with a community
of believers (outside HH) to take pot shots at
anything and everything that takes place in the
dedicated community of service. The community
should have less discipline, they should not be
concerned about the daily newspaper or various
media coming into each house, they should have
these types of standards that I will delineate,
their fellowship structure should be this way or
that, they should be doing these type of
endeavors, the businesses should be run in this
manner, not that way.
It goes on and on, with many of such critiques
ranging from superficial to dense to putrid.
It is that type of potshot that I find
odios, even reprehensible.
F_H has no responsibility before God for the lives
and destinies of any brethren and sisters in
community so it is easy to play the critic with
her 'new, improved' way. And she is has never
demonstrated her 'new and improved' patterns in
the real world, such as in a functioning dedicated
Christian community.
Therefore one should be very, very slow to take
such potshots. Or to listen to them. And the
tendency instead here is for scattershot
accusations of no clarity or substance or
consistency.
And this is why I emphasized the community aspect,
how easy it easy to be the critic when nothing is
on the line except ones ego and pride. Self-justification.
So I point out, properly, that no real life
situations, no deep covenant dedication and zeal,
are involved for such critics. In reality they
are only offering vapid platitudes and putdowns.
If they were really offering a demonstrable
community, lives poured out for God, dedication,
service, and if the suggestions were offered
outside the realm of rancor and accusation, humbly
and broken before God, then such 'beneficent
correctives' as we see offered here might have
some substance.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
common_sense
Senior Member
Username: common_sense
Post Number: 1002
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 71.132.85.215
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 7:56 pm: |
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Prax,
Do you consider being a member of the Body of Christ as "in community"? |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 536
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 8:29 pm: |
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You missed it Prax. You didn't and don't want to see it. I live in a beautiful community.
The power of God and the Holy Spirit along with the two standards of God, (Love the Lord thy God...and thy neighbor...) and then "Christ in us" able to... The Body of Christ in ministry to each other...
God can and does do it... all without the legalism of HH who doesn't say things like, " _____ *should* be done this way." (which is guiding) But says, "____ *must* be done exactly this way or else," (which is closer to authoritarianism.)
I am held responsible, even when no one else is looking. Mariah: God sees. He will not be mocked.
I have said it before: As brothers and sister we spur each other on to live up to our calling and there is a place for church discipline on matters of morality.
I have said it many times and you missed it.
Do you not believe God can change us from the inside out? Do you believe He still needs the external laws and threats of men to change us even now that Christ is in us? Does it take a community like HH for Jesus to save? |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 537
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 8:33 pm: |
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So I point out, properly, that no real life situations, no deep covenant dedication and zeal...
Is that how you discribe the New Covenant written on our hearts by God? |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 988
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 3:10 am: |
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F_H
"You missed it Prax. You didn't and don't want to see it.
I live in a beautiful community."
Yes, you have explained how you live in a
mountain community where the various protestant
groups and the catholics and others live in
idyllic ecumenical and spiritual harmony.
Probably with a food pantry or two and not a lot
of violent crime.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1838
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.80.108
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 9:43 am: |
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Forever His:
HH puppets are moved by strings... |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 989
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 12:47 pm: |
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And why do you blatantly lie, as above, Mrs. Alvear ? |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1840
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.44.185
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 1:36 pm: |
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I am not lying. Does the shoe fit you? |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1841
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.92.220
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 2:37 pm: |
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puppets have no sense of what they are doing. Prax by saying that I am not saying you are dumb but you do not realize what HH really is. I know you defend them for the same reason I once defended them until I saw their REAL face. I saw firsthand things I would have NEVER believed...and kept telling myself I could not be seeing those things...
I have never said all things there are bad but I have said the bad far outweighs the good. HH has dangerous doctrines and extra biblical doctrines that NOT EVEN you have read...of course you do not believe me but it is true.
I really don't have time to write here I just returned from a wonderful church camp where I witnessed people being healed, being filled with God's spirit, Catholics coming and repenting of their sins.
I saw young people and grown people laying on the ground for hours praying in the spirit. ..in fact I will post my letter to my friends. I am serious about serving God...You have ranted and raved here but you have failed to prove me a liar for I am not one. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1842
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.92.220
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 2:45 pm: |
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Dear Friends in the Homeland;
"I will pour my spirit upon thy seed and my blessing upon thine offspring" (Isa. 44:3).
I am writing this letter sitting in a plastic chair under a beautiful palm tree watching our people as they rejoice in the Lord. As many of you know we have carnival season here in Brazil. It is a time of devilish feasting on the pleasures of the flesh. Every year we take our people to some far away wooded area for a time of prayer, bible teaching, recreation and a time for our families to bond together. We come out to where we do not hear the beating of the drums, the wild sounds of people who have corrupted themselves with their vain mentalities as they manifestly yield themselves to obey Satan, and are indefatigable in his service. For a week many of sin’s servants have feasted, and danced but really they are in great chains of satanic bondage, and drudgery of Popish superstitions with its immoral tendencies. Each year over 100 thousand women in Brazil are victims of human trafficking for purposes of sexual exploitation and much of this happens during this season.
Our people are different for they have come out of this type life and they are really free! For six days we have camped and worshipped our Creator. Five new souls were baptized in the little stream that flows through this rented property. At least 15 have received the Holy Ghost. I know at least 10 who were carried away in the spirit and saw visions, others received words of prophecy. I saw men and women slain in the spirit laying out in the grass for hours speaking in tongues. Even a little 5 year old received the Holy Ghost! Several have testified to instant healings and miracles.
Hundreds have perished during this carnival season. Death is the just wages of sin, which millions of Adam's race spend their whole life to earn! What a privilege it is to be among God’s “called out” people and sin has no dominion over the Kingdom we are participants of.
Since our last news letter we have traveled several thousand miles…Our old bodies get tired but our spirit rejoices to see the great moves of God all over Brazil. I always think of the scripture:
“How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of the herald, who proclaims peace, who brings news of good things, who proclaims salvation, who says to Zion, “Your God reigns!”
Isaiah 52:7 (HCSB)
A group of us made the long tiring trip to Bahia for our yearly seminar. It was simply awesome! Even in the seminar people received the Holy Ghost. We were able to help Pastor Hugo travel to the northeast and help in some of our churches and then he and another group traveled on to other northeastern states. Brother Raul Jr. traveled to the Para (far north) convention and reported such growth! From there he visited two of the jungle churches in the states of Maranhao.
Right now as I write this letter the South Brazil churches are having a special yearly ladies conference and Brother Raul Jr and I keep calling each other each time someone hear or there receives the Holy Ghost. Glad for reduced rates during this holiday! |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1843
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.92.220
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 2:47 pm: |
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One of the greatest things to happen here is when you can actually see God moving on someone and the change that comes over them as they give their life to God.
We have started the second floor of our dormitories behind the Maceio church. In time we plan to have 16 finished rooms with bathrooms but right now we only have 4 that are completely finished. Our goal is to have 4 more finished by the end of the year. It is very expensive because of the concrete and the iron. However God and His children are making this possible each time we need something God always moves on one of His willing servants to help us.
Construction of the Camp ground church in south Brazil is coming right along. This week we are getting the roof on it. Our next step will be getting in windows and doors. All is progressing well. There too we are building dormitories! The first dormitory is finished. In time we will have to build and a dining hall and kitchen. We do not have all the funds for so many projects. So, we will have the wait for the Lord's provision before continuing.
Our son Arlei is working hard getting ready for his move to the jungle city of Barra do Corda. He and his family will be very much alone until God begins to give them fruits but we know for a fat that the strongest men (and women) are those that can walk alone, unafraid and he is that type of man. I know Arlei understands the danger he and his family will face but he feels drawn to the jungle people. (most of you know his real mother was a martyr for the gospel in Paraguay) |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1844
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.92.220
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 2:49 pm: |
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I have enjoyed myself so much at this camp. Some of my kids wanted me to just come during the day and drive home at night. They were concerned I would fall, get eaten by bugs; get hurt, they had a whole list of possible casualties. I think it was them that was afraid and ended up going home. I got to see a huge rat; my son in law caught a Tarantula spider and gave it to me! I have never been fond of spiders but he is sure is a fuzzy creature.
The nights have been quite noisy with all the chirps and croaks. I wonder what they think about us invading their territory?
This retreat has been so awesome especially seeing how our people have learned responsibility. We take raising up leaders seriously, and we believe our example of leadership is Christ. In this training of leaders, serving is a key principal behind all that we are doing. I am enjoying watching different leaders serve those that are under them.
One of the group mothers came to me and said, “Missionary, in our group we are over 20 people and we brought a little basket of food and I wondered what we would do for our group is so poor but every day the basket is fuller!” She said instead of having to go ask some other group leader for rice we will have rice to take home and give away!
I looked at these beautiful, dark-eyed and smiling Brazilian children, poor and precious. They were so glad to be at camp with their parents. I love them so much Oh! If only I had more arms to hold them.
Sometimes things like that sound strange to Americans but we are repeating Bible days here in our area of Brazil.
At this time of the year it is frustrating to see the depths of sin people go to…yet where sin abounds much more does grace abound. I saw a little Catholic boy receive the Holy Ghost last night speaking in Hebrew. He did not speak for 5 minutes some repeated phase but he spoke for almost 5 hours!
A new man that had been against his wife for becoming a believer showed up to see what was going on and before camp was over he repented of his sins!
Bringing Hope is what we have been called to do, and that is exactly what we are doing. So many people are with us that in times past had no where to go…today they have a family.
If we had the funding and additional equipment we would be doing even more. We know that we live in the end of an age and work centuries could have done must be crowed in at sunset or left forever undone.
The outpouring of God’s love is so tangible. The transformation that takes place in the hearts of the Brazilian people is so evident even in their physical appearance. The oppressed have been set free and an indescribable joy is in their hearts.
Thanks to you, we are able to buy Bibles, feed and clothe the poor, take care of those who have no where to go. Having a Bible is like a shaft of light illuminating their dark walls.
We may never know the true results of the planting, teaching and preaching and just talking around campfires that has been done this week but one thing I am certain is that many people were blessed and grew in the Lord. I walked by and saw a group of our young preachers sitting on stumps and makeshift “chairs” with Brother Alvear with their Bibles opened and he was teaching them. I saw a twinkle in their eyes as he answered their Bible questions.
In a world of lost and hurting people, how will they hear the true Word unless we make disciples to teach them?
In His Grip,
Brother and Sister Alvear and family |
wise_as_a_serpent
Junior Member
Username: wise_as_a_serpent
Post Number: 45
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 6:04 pm: |
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Just a quick note before I get back to work.
If they were really offering a demonstrable
community, lives poured out for God, dedication,
service, and if the suggestions were offered
outside the realm of rancor and accusation, humbly
and broken before God, then such 'beneficent
correctives' as we see offered here might have
some substance.
So only those in a community can offer suggestion to those in another community? Does it go the opposite direction? Only those not in a community can offer suggestions to those not in community? |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 990
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 8:09 pm: |
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Mrs. Alvear
"I am not lying. Does the shoe fit you?"
Nope, and since you accusing me in that way
you are simply a liar. Being coy about it
does not make any less a sin and a lying
tongue condemns you, Mrs. Alvear.
You owe the forum and me an apology.
Shalom,
Praxluh |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1845
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.115.166
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 8:39 pm: |
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I owe no apology to no one on this forum...I have done nothing to you Mr. Prax...except tell the truth and that seems to bother you.
Prax you cannot see how foolish you are...trying to protect evil and false doctrine...things you know NOTHING about that goes on at HH...doctrines that you have never heard of for you are not on a high enough level...
I feel sorry for you when you find out truth... |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 991
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 10:53 pm: |
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No, Mrs. Alvear. You simply lied to the forum and before God with your defacto accusation that I am a puppet of HH on strings. Your own word are the issue, you have no concern whatsoever about speaking truthfully. The word to describe a person whose tongue speaks falsehoods is a liar.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 992
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 11:17 pm: |
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Serp,
"So only those in a community can offer suggestion to those in another community?"
Fair enough question.
Nope, I would not go so far at all. I am just pointing out how easy it is for folks to make all the decisions from the distance, to take potshots, to fall prey to a spirit of arrogance. Without any direct responsibility yourself it is so easy to say what they 'should' do.
The media is a simple example. U_G testified how he carried so much of that with him even apart from HH, yet we have a chorus of folks yelling here about how HH should allow the local daily rags, or movies, or TVs, or this and that. They should change their standards, they should adopt my standard of 'holiness' rather than what they believe God has given them. And if they don't I will whine and cry all over Factnet, railing about how cults don't read the daily rag.
Now, by no means am I saying that community is a necessity to share. Conceivably anybody could share with a Christian community. Humbly, with integrity before God. With grace.
Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit:
a broken and a contrite heart, O God,
thou wilt not despise.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1857
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.98.152
| | Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 4:48 pm: |
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I have heard no one say or rage that hh should allow daily rags, movies or TV's...I think what we have said was HH should have balance.
Many of us that write here do not have tv's and believe in godly living BUT we do not believe in scaring people into thinking we have some last revelation to save the church world.
Allowing our strengths to become excessive, we will become harsh and cold and that is what has happened at HH. I saw them screaming and pointing fingers at people, belittling people in church services. Their strength is not in control thus they have become controlling...and unlike the Master.
I seldom pick up a newspaper. I seldom even pick up a magazine but my husband that reads his paper over coffee and bread each morning is no less spiritual than I am just because he chooses to read a newspaper.
He chooses NOT to play card games I love to play certain games...that does not make him more spiritual than me or vise versa...people are different.
When we were younger our house was more like a commune...we have had as many as 30 people living with us at one time...It has never bothered me...I am a missionary. I love people but that does not make me more spiritual than some missionary that chooses not to have the people live with them.
Community does not make people more spiritual than people who do not live in community.
God has ONE CHURCH...and it is not built with men's hands...He bought the church with His own blood.
I think Prax you have the wrong idea about HH...many people were devout christians BEFORE they even went to HH and desired a deeper walk with God and was lured into their trap.
I talked to people at HH and they told me how they worked for God before coming to hh and some went as far to say they missed those days...
strange if all were so well and good people look back and their eyes light up as they talk about what they did yesterday for God but today they sit and wait for this great move that is supposed to come...after a while some will get tired of waiting for what will never come... |
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