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     traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 |
Observe the Church and its leaders. Many are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not from liquor. The Lord has poured upon them a spirit of deep sleep, and has covered their eyes: the prophets and our rulers, the seers, hath he covered. The Lord is allowing His leaders to live out their sins and cunning craftiness in full exposure to the people of God. He has allowed them to bring in their damnable heresies and perverted doctrines that have served to cripple and poison His people. He has also allowed His people to fall under the spell of the promises of riches and vanities that has drawn them into divers lusts and hurtful temptations, even without the receipt of these riches. | ||
| witness4god New member Username: witness4god Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Amen tmeets truth!! Tell us more. God doesn't have any true followers anymore and the world is paying the price/ and so are true saints. Wit-less | ||
| traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 |
The Lord have raised up true and faithful stewards of the mysteries of Christ. They will not compromise nor will they fail to address any issue that pertains to the Body. They are the true guardians of the faith. The time has come for the Body of Christ to awaken and face the truth about itself. Its perception of God and His relationship with the Body is so warped, that without reform, it would be impossible to manifest the ministry of Christ in the earth today. The church needs reform. It is already in progress. | ||
| maryg New member Username: maryg Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 |
Amen Traditionmeetstruth...... The Bible has become as a book that is sealed to the leaders of the day. But God's true leaders will be revealed. I will be those who teach true holiness and walk with a pure heart before God and man. Those who were chosen and trusted with these oracles in this last generation act as if they have forgotten how to read. They willingly exclude certain doctrinal scriptures from their arsenal of sermons, because they are a direct contradiction to their teaching. But God is in control of ALL things. The stage has been set for the manifestation of the Sons of God. ...MG | ||
| witness4god New member Username: witness4god Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Hello Mary G /Tmeets T. I went to Mary Banks website and watched a few videos. I have so many thoughts and questions. I think perhaps God placed you in my path. I think I just got kicked to the curb for the last time. And I am trying hard to see the Lord in anything. "because sin abounds the hearts of many wax cold." and I think this is where we are in history. I have many questions about leadership. Do you veiw leadership as only those who fulfill the five fold office? Or is it possible, as a leader is actually a servant, that LEADER is one who quietly serves the Lord and the body without any recognition? Also I too, believe that when Jesus stretched out His arms on the Cross and Said "It is finished" , that He was right. I question the amount of true believers and minsiters actually called of the Lord. My personal experience is very few are out there doing what needs to be done and they are torn, isolated, rejected and burned out and then cursed out by the religious for not following the crowd. ( what about us?) does He not care for us? I have a lot more comments and questions, so I will be back. Please keep this conversation going, because I am one who is hanging by a thread. sincerely wit-less...I sign that because my brothers and sisters in christ are so mean and hateful. | ||
| maryg New member Username: maryg Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 |
Hello Witness for God: The church has become even as Israel was at the appearing of Christ. Truth walked among them, but they preferred the darkness. Isaiah prophesied of these times. In his 29th chapter, verses 9-24, he both admonishes wicked leaders and encourages those who would serve the Lord in spirit and in truth. Leaders are not just 5-fold ministers. Leaders are servants of the Lord. Be encouraged, follow Jesus. He is your example in ALL things. And remember, the Church was 'appointed to suffer'. Jesus also said 'offenses' will always occur. Just make sure you walk as Jesus always did even inside of the offenses. Continue to love everyone and take no offense. God is not mocked. He will fight against those who refuse to walk in His ways. Your struggle is over. Just walk in who you truly are - a Son of God. The Lord is allowing His leaders to live out their sins in full exposure to the people of God. He has allowed them to bring in their damnable heresies that have served to cripple and poison His people. Many so-called 'leaders' and self-ordained leaders have willingly excluded major doctrinal scriptures from their sermons, because they are a direct contradiction to their teaching. For example, they bypass scriptures such as: Matt 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what shall ye put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? or Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. No one was exempt. Leaders, as well as the congregation, must first deny themselves if they are going to be his disciples and follow after Him. But then there is that matter of suffering, which has so offended the church. 1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin. In speaking of offense and contradiction: 1 Tim 6:5-7, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. But the best kept secret of all is Matt 5:48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect www.bibleteachers.com and www.marybanks.net MaryG | ||
| rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2558 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
Mary? You and traditionmeets church have the same ip address are you in the same building together? I appreciate many things I have read from you today - just wondered about the duplicate names... R (Message edited by rachelengland on January 18, 2007) | ||
| maryg New member Username: maryg Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 |
Yes we work in the same office and we share a computer. I am happy you appreciate our thoughts on this subject. We belong to the same ministry also and love to search the web for forums. ...maryg | ||
| witness4god Junior Member Username: witness4god Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Hi Mary G! Thanks for your words of truth and encouragement. I do believe we are called to share in the fellowship of his sufferings. Had I not been through all the trials and testing I have been through, I would not know Him as I do. But it does get lonely sometimes and when we are walking to serve the Lord, religious people get in the way and hinder and offend. I live in a city that is cold and dead. People walk up to me on a daily basis wondering when the church will be Jesus to them and meet their needs. I am so tired of telling them that no one is coming. I also have witnessed( By God's hands) many of the things in leadership you speak of. I was wondering why He would allow me to see these things and yet I have no way of getting through to them. Is there a reason why God has allowed me to witness these thinsg yet hold back my hand? The burden is so heavy..as it is for my city. When will God deliver His people out of a very corrupt system? When will we all flow together to work as a team for the sake of the Gospel? I have been waiting 30 years. I am so tired. Thanks for the topic and I believe I will buy the book. I spent the whole day crying about all of these things. Maybe there is hope. Love in christ, witness. | ||
| rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2559 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
Are you a prophetess Mary? Do you believe we are all gods? Why are you promoting your website here? Just wondering-not attacking....R (Message edited by rachelengland on January 18, 2007) | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 661 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
Yes we work in the same office and we share a computer. I am happy you appreciate our thoughts on this subject. We belong to the same ministry also and love to search the web for forums. ...maryg If you two work together, why not just lean across the desk and talk to each other? What's your purpose here? The purpose of this site is to expose cults and abusive groups or churches. What's YOUR agenda, please? | ||
| maryg New member Username: maryg Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 |
The reason we posted in this particular one to start with was because of the false accusations about Dr. Mary Banks in this forum. In so much as someone felt the need to accuse her and her ministry of being a cult, our agenda was to speak the truth as to how we see it but most especially how scripture views her teachings. In the end, scripture and God's Word is the final authority and is the standard for sorting out just what really is a cult. We are not promoting a site or any materials so disregard any thought that we are. And neither one of us is Dr. Banks. I am a teacher and Traditionmeetstruth is a pastor. God bless you, maryg | ||
| dodge Advanced Member Username: dodge Post Number: 886 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.128.112.200 |
Hello “maryg” – Haven’t you realized that whatever you say here in this public forum will be rejected and criticized? It’s the nature of the beast. Jesus Bloody Christ could post here that the Second Coming will commence at midnight; but there would be those compelled to reject it and prove how false it is. This demonstrates that for everything you can possibly come up with to say, there will be someone who disagrees, someone who will make it their mission to disprove, or someone who will call you an idiot for believing it. If you came here, as you say, to defend Mary Banks against false accusations, it will only give those who make such accusations a venue to repeat them, over and over again. But, in this objective physical reality that we find ourselves in, conflict seems to be the moving force, a struggle between good and bad, darkness and light, Democrat and Republican, East and West…perhaps this is the way it should be. Friction gets rid of all the rough edges and makes everything smooth so that it offers less resistance. But I digress. Good luck in your struggle to defend your particular religion and guru; and watch out for the wolf packs nipping at your heels. Sometimes they can be quite vicious. Goddess bless. (Message edited by dodge on January 18, 2007) | ||
| maryg New member Username: maryg Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 |
God bless you Dodge... I understand what you are saying. Thank you. But in reality I am not trying to defend Mary Banks, nor scripture. I was basically preaching the gospel. And, the Lord said, 'My sheep will hear my voice and follow Me'. Even if only one person hears His voice then I am blessed. But I will take your instruction to heart. Thanks. maryg | ||
| maryg New member Username: maryg Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 |
Dear Witness 4 God, Religious folks will always be with us. They were with Jesus, the Apostles and the early church and we are no different. This doesn’t change anything. Truth is truth. You either accept it or reject it. THE OLD PATRIARCHS BELIEVED GOD. They were fully persuaded that the Lord would deliver that which He promised. They looked for that foreign country. They looked for that heavenly city. They did not stagger at these promises. They were not mindful of that place they left both naturally and spiritually. They were persuaded in their mind that God had something better for them. They had no thought wars. They did not allow themselves to think 'anything contrary' to the promises of the Lord. They believed Him. They BELIEVED GOD! And by Faith they served Him. It was the anchor of their belief and trust in God that enabled them to do the great exploits they performed. The whole 11th chapter of Hebrews declares that everything was done by their faith in God. The old patriarchs faith in God made Him not ashamed to be their God and to manifest His works through them. The same is true now. We too, must be approved of God by belief and trust. We must believe Him. This is where the breakdown is. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH GOD. They agreed to the point of suffering. We disagree with anything that will take us out of our comfort zones. Forget living a lifestyle of self-denial and sacrifice. We have never been able to move to where the patriarchs were in faith because we have not really agreed with God. His method and way of raising us in the gospel is not to our liking. Therefore, we go about to establish our own method of servitude and dare to insist that God accepts it and will work with us in it. They were not mindful of this world, but we are. We are attached to this world at the hip. ...MaryG | ||
| anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 259 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 |
maryg...I hope you don't think you and your friends are the only ones here who hear the Lord's voice. Is Mary Banks associated with the heretical MSOG/ New Apostles and Prophets movement? If she is so all tootin concerned about sin and weak and false teachers in the camp, why in the heck does she pride herself on her affiliation with TBN and its commendation of her????? Hey something about this picture looks downright sinister to me. Please clarify all this, if you can. | ||
| covenantwoman6 New member Username: covenantwoman6 Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 24.195.101.245 |
witness4god - please check out www.lifestream.org - I think you'll be encouraged - the book "So You Don't Want to Go to Church Anymore" was a tremendous blessing to me.... Not sure why I came to this thread - never been here before - maybe it was to encourage you...your post touched my heart. | ||
| covenantwoman6 New member Username: covenantwoman6 Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 24.195.101.245 |
witness4god - please check out www.lifestream.org - I think you'll be encouraged - the book "So You Don't Want to Go to Church Anymore" was a tremendous blessing to me.... Not sure why I came to this thread - never been here before - maybe it was to encourage you...your post touched my heart. | ||
| anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 262 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 |
No true christian normally doesn't want to not go to church. Many christians today are not in church because they have been marginalized by all the new false movements that have taken over the churches. And I will not be a part of them. Many of us have found other christians also pushed outside the church and formed their own fellowships. Praise the Lord! 'Where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name, I am in their midst.' | ||
| anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 |
Wondering if maryg will respond to my posts. | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 666 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
anony Don't hold your breath. Unfortunately, most of her/their posts are seem scripted and "canned" to me with nothing spontaneous in them. Now, they can all be "deep thinkers" who put their all into their posts, but I'm of the opinion that their stuff is straight out of a Mary Banks book or teaching. And I still can't pull anything up to watch or read that doesn't require payment of some kind. I went to the links of the free stuff and it wouldn't run. I'd like a sample of a teaching; posts on this site really can't represent any ministry's teachings. I need to read the real deal for myself. | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 667 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
Is Mary Banks associated with the heretical MSOG/ New Apostles and Prophets movement? anony Could you explain what this is? What group are you referring to? Just curious. Thanks. | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 668 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
anony Saw your post on another thread where you explained what you meant so no reply is needed unless you want to expound further. Interesting site, huh? I didn't see anything for free that I could read or watch, and that bothered me. Why not have stuff out there for people to see and check out if it lines up with the Word of God? Thank goodness I've been around for a while and know that this is, after all, the Internet; the only way to discern someone's beliefs is to be able to see or hear them. | ||
| witness4god Junior Member Username: witness4god Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Covenant woman, Thanks for the info..yes I have been to that website many times before. God had lead me OUT of the church circus for 18 years but I had to go back when I married my husband last year. YUCK! That's another story. It's late here and we are getting ready for tommorrow so let me write back at you 2morrow. You said: Not sure why I came to this thread - never been here before - maybe it was to encourage you...your post touched my heart. Thank you CW, between you an dthese peopel here and another person, God answered my prayers and came through for me. Big Smile  Saw you are healing and left a cult. Good for you! think we have lots to discuss however on FN , its a warzone with the thought police interluding to make sure NO ONE can truly discuss the Lord or help on another. A blesssed day to all posting here. Witness | ||
| anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 269 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 |
Cybermom, She has some audios at her site. I started to listen to one of them and gave up right away as she went right into stuff that seemed illusionary, not sound speaking/teaching from scripture. Considering everything else, I know well enough where she is coming from to not give her any credence. Her use of the morality and WOF issues will draw people to her unfortunately, because they will then be led into a bunch of false teaching. You might want to investigate the MSOG, New Prophets and Apostles. There is a lot more to them than I have said here. | ||
| anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 270 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 |
You're right...it seems she would have some printed material on her site so people can read more about where she is coming from. Strange that she doesn't. She strongly comes across as a self-promoter. They all want to get on TBN. And of course TBN is always looking for the next great attraction. It's too bad people get caught up in all the stuff going on today, but they do. | ||
| anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 271 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 |
Witness4god, I don't know exactly where you are coming from, But i will say that I also have n=been out of the church world for some time...Because of all the stuff that is going on in the churches now. it has been very painful and often lonely for me. but I can not sit in churches that are teaching and leading astray. For so long I thought I was the only one. Then when I got a computer and could start investigating everything, I discovered there are millions like me, like us if you are where I have been. And thank God I have learned enough by now to be able to smell the rats when they present themselves. The professing church, contrary to the claims of much of it, is in apostasy. We need to be very careful about latching onto people just because they say some good things up front. Often when you get to know them better there is also much false teaching to follow. Unfortunately this is how it is today. But the Lord said he would never leave us and he will provide a way for us to maintain fellowship and all the things we get from church in a small group of believers wherever we can find them. So keep the faith, keep your hope up in the Lord and keep praying that he will bring you together with the right people. He will. | ||
| witness4god Junior Member Username: witness4god Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Hi anony, Thanks for all you said and I didn't mean to imply that I am going to follow anyone. I will take the meat and spit out the bones. Many of the things she says ( Mary G) I already know. I can't speak for anyone's heart. Sometimes people are given a truth but they misuse it. After all, the Gospel of Jesus Christ has been merchandised from the get go. In all the years and time I had been out of the church, I looked and prayed for fellowship in my city. There is none outside the church system. As far as online fellowship, well, that is less than perfect too. The internet is a poor mediumship for truly knowing and seeing a person. Then again, those who say they have left the church system, usually, still imperfect want to be thought police as well Tbn what can I say? Through my church long ago they were grooming me and my husband for that. That pastor got his dream of being on there only as a dead lifeless robot. I walked out of all that mess, preferring Jesus over them and even my husband, who didn't want Jesus , just fame. Best choice I ever ,made. I have seen some really good ministries go on there and end up compromising. What a shame. If God called you He will make your ministry a sure thing without compromise. Thanks for your concern. The best part of being a christian is getting to know the Lord and His Word. Many times when I here someone say something It prompts me to go look for myself. And in doing so, I may recieve a message but not the person. It keep sme open to Gods word. There is so much written there, but people pass over the most precious scriptures becuase they ar enot familiar with them. Blessings in Christ witness | ||
| anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 273 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 |
Everything you said is so true, Witness, and I had a similar experience in a church. Even made me wonder if it was the same church. Same husband? Lol That pastor is now one of the 'new apostles' and I see him occasionally on the local TBN. My general experience has been the same as yours. So I understand what you are saying. I didn't realize until I started investigating everything going on in the church that there are very many like us. True online ministries say they are always getting pleas for help in locating churches. Amazing considering how many churches there are. I don't know how much you have investigated what is going on, But I have found that generally all the different new movements in the church have basically the same agenda to revolutionize Christianity to make it fit into a world religious system of one kind or another. There are tons of these movements and new tricks to take people into them popping up all the time. There is no doubt in my mind that we are in a time of great apostasy. Many will disagree no doubt. I hope and pray for you that you will find fellowship, Witness. I have one Christian friend and its such a blessing to be with her. Even one takes away the feeling of isolation from the Body. But then Jesus said he would be there in the midst of even 2 or 3! Thank you Lord! God bless you too. | ||
| witness4god Junior Member Username: witness4god Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Hey ANONY, Thanks for the post My husband is coming up out of a denominational church. He just figured out how used he was. He served the church but got no spiritual meat from it or real fellowship. It's denominational and the pastor is having a lesbian affair with the music minister who left for fam ein new york. These people have no idea what scripture or relationship with Jesus. I had to teach sunday school and I walked away crying. We tried bringing evangelism in only to be met with confusion about what it is???? So in this event= church split. Those who love Jesus are gossipped about and shown the door. I keep telling my husband maybe God doesn't want you back in the church system. I think he is too afraid to have to walk it out on his own. Which I had to do most of my life. I built a prayer garden out back and told the Lord he could use our home. There are simply no takers for get togethers over supper and fellowship outside a church setting. We are believing in prayer for another family to fellowship with. The church misses my hsuband. They tried using guilt to get him back, now its "love bombing" Come HOME we miss you. The truth is they are short on warm bodies to service the church. They won't speak to me. I have integrity and guess what..the gospel ain't for compromising!!! Peace out from deadville! | ||
| gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 245 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.175.6.17 |
MaryG, Go over to this website. They will love you. http://www.pulpit-pimps.org/ GSRH | ||
| anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 279 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.70.38 |
Witness, What a warrior you are! Your post gave me goosebumbs and a huge smile and gratitude and encouragement that you are not compromising. Thank you Lord. I know this is where we are at the end of the age but I grieve so for folks who are coming out and suffering the isolation of it for a while. But God is working his will through it all to bring this wicked age to a close. Don't give up for some fellowship at your home. Keep on praying. I know you will. I think there are more of us out there than we might realize. No one knows where to turn. I've thought of putting an ad in the paper but don't know how to word it. Any suggestions? Really don't know if its even a good idea. What a wonderful thing, your prayer garden!!! Goosebumps again. Boy I'd love to run right over for a good visit! God bless you sister, and your husband. He will make it, we all will because Jesus in us makes it more than possible! Praise his name! God bless you! |
