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     Anonymous (64.12.117.20) |
SUMMARY Why is GGWO on FACTNet? The following information was gathered from many sources. Most have been provided by the eyewitness testimonies of both former and current GGWO staff members. They have provided a first-hand account of sinful wrongdoings, pervasive deceitfulness and calculated attempts to avoid any form or level of accountability by, not only those in positions of authority within GGWO, but its leader and ultimate authority Carl H. Stevens. Over many years individuals who had witnessed situations including, but not limited to, biblically incorrect doctrine, improper use of church funds and gross mistreatment of members have approached Carl Stevens in an attempt to discuss those issues. Their attempts were met with denials, deceptions and diversions. The unresolved, continuing issues are: Improper understanding and use of delegated authority This is documented in the CRI/ Martin Report, Dovydenas Case court transcripts, Lake Elsinore disaffiliation letter and the personal testimony of former members. No public polity of correction and/or discipline of a pastor There is no written, published, distributed, referenced or practiced biblical process, specifically with regard to the behavior by Carl Stevens. He has never been corrected or disciplined for malevolent actions. Lack of conformity to preached doctrine Carl Stevens has established a biblical doctrine that actively discourages slander or gossip. He clearly instructs his followers not to practice these tactics. He does not abide by this doctrine, specifically when referring to exiting members or those who question his ministry in any way. Malicious treatment of exiting church members by the leader This has been actively practiced by Carl Stevens for over 30 years. Within both small groups and in front of the entire congregation, he has maligned the character of those leaving the group by using slander and gossip. He considers those leaving his ministry for any reason to be his enemy and treats and refers to them as such. Mental status changes of the leader Within both small groups and in front of the entire congregation, Carl Stevens has exhibited slurred and unintelligible speech, lapses in recall and judgment resulting in both an inability to effectively communicate to his followers and the profession of false doctrine. On 7/14/2004 it was necessary for him to be prompted in order to continue the service. On 6/25/04 he made statements that were faulty and biblically inaccurate. He was approached regarding the doctrinal issue and made assurances privately that he would correct himself and his false teaching publicly at the next service, but he did not. Active substance abuse by the leader It is known to many that Carl Stevens struggles with a substance abuse problem that has on occasion become life threatening. His misuse of prescription narcotics has contributed to the deterioration of his cognitive state. He has strenuously resisted the intervention of his family members. Malicious treatment of family member by the leader When a member of leadership who is an immediate family member of Carl Stevens attempted to address the substance abuse of the leader, a written indictment of the person was composed and the church by-laws were changed to prevent the person from succeeding him as leader. There is written documentation of these actions. In addition, deceitful practices were employed in order to prevent the family member from attending these meetings while the documents were being crafted. Further, condemning, malicious statements were made publicly about the person by Stevens during services resulting in that family member being considered an enemy of the Baltimore church. All of these actions were taken without regard that the intervention of the family member motivated only by love had possibly saved the life of the leader. Further, when this family member began a separate church in general proximity to but not in competition with the Baltimore church, he was again the subject of indirect verbal attack by Carl Stevens during services. Inaction of those in leadership regarding the substance abuse of the leader - The elders of the Baltimore church and some affiliated ministries are aware that Carl Stevens is misusing prescription drugs and have not acted to address the issues relative to that abuse. They have not followed through on the initial action they had taken. They are not assisting him in receiving treatment and continue to enable his self-destructive behavior, allowing him to repeatedly embarrass himself in public. Disunity and discord between the elders There is infighting among the elders, who are perplexed and indecisive regarding the issues related to the leader. There is a lack of consensus and, therefore, a lack of action to resolve the issues and bring the church back into a state of biblical compliance. This inaction has allowed situations to continue and problems to multiply. Deception of the church members by the elders The elders have not only dishonestly related the truth regarding the leaders substance abuse to his followers, but they have actively lied to prevent public disclosure of it. Failure to act in a manner that is dutiful to the position of elder The elders have not been faithful in their duties by failing to act on the numerous breaches of biblical doctrine and behavior by Carl Stevens. Intimidation, manipulation and coercion by an elder Written internal documents have been composed and distributed by an elder regarding issues with other persons in leadership positions which contain fabricated details and falsehoods in a foolish attempt to intimidate, manipulate and/or coerce the receivers into behaving in a certain manner. Other staff members are aware of these specious indictments and do not address the unbiblical action. Violation of accepted biblical doctrine by the leader regarding an accusation of a church member Allegations of wrong-doing, subsequently determined to be false, were received by Carl Stevens and the elders in the absence of the accused member, a clear violation of scripture. The accuser was bound by an oath not to say speak of the issue to the member, even if asked directly. The elders were also instructed to say nothing to the member or spouse. Inappropriate use of church funds by the leader An adulterous affair by a staff pastor resulted in money being paid as part of a concerted effort to keep an unethical, possibly illegal, situation from being made public. Malicious treatment of a victimized spouse by the leader - Carl Stevens, along with church elders, actively and aggressively maligned the character of the husband victimized by an adulterous affair in front of the entire congregation. Public profession of false biblical doctrines by the leader These include, but are not limited to, delegated authority, salvation by obedience, the presentation of the believer at the Bema Seat by the leader. It is evidenced in both spoken and written form by publications by and recordings of the leader. | ||
| Anonymous (209.6.151.215) |
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| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
Jesus says"why call me Lord and do not the things which i say" "shall we continue in sin that grace might abound? GOD FORBID" "except you REPENT you shall likewise perish" | ||
| Anonymous (141.154.144.33) |
Well...there you go again.... | ||
| Anonymous (205.188.117.20) |
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| Anonymous (149.174.164.83) |
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| Anonymous (65.96.153.178) |
64.12- Good direction thus far. You have extracted some of the principal underlying outrages against GGWO. You communicated clearly and summarized without emotion and embelishment of anger. Keep it up - there's alot more in there. There is no "membership" in GGWO, so we all can have a say. | ||
| Anonymous (216.183.184.253) |
Thanks 64.12.117 Your posting is an accurate summary of the abuses of GGWO | ||
| Anonymous (64.12.117.20) |
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| Anonymous (152.163.253.102) |
Thank you 64.12 | ||
| Anonymous (149.174.164.83) |
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| Anonymous (141.154.144.33) |
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| Anonymous (68.82.183.197) |
pray | ||
| Anonymous (12.77.52.181) |
Very well said. | ||
| Anonymous (209.6.151.215) |
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| Anonymous (68.82.183.197) |
do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY | ||
| Anonymous (63.27.9.185) |
Any snide comments on these grievance 24.38? | ||
| Anonymous (64.12.117.20) |
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| Anonymous (68.33.60.157) |
Ok. Look. I agree that Pastor Paul had concerns for his dad and wanted desperately to help him. He just shouldn't have done it publicly. Nothing is going to change that. It's too bad. Everything is a mess and one day it will all be over. You shouldn't be shunned for being seen talking with someone. You shouldn't be judged for being a friend to one's that have left. And people shouldn't be looking down at those who decide to stay. | ||
| rjfernalld (rjfernalld) Advanced Member Username: rjfernalld Post Number: 966 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 151.203.154.97 |
bump | ||
| gone_to_pa Advanced Member Username: gone_to_pa Post Number: 769 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.78.107.179 |
bump | ||
| sidethorn Advanced Member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 954 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 169.253.4.21 |
Time to get some of the main unresolved issues concerning GGWO back in the spotlight. | ||
| sidethorn New member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 21 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.32.127.9 |
This thread needs a good bump. Let's get the main issues concerning GGWO up towards the top of this thread list for all to see more easily. | ||
| david_munson Intermediate Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 150 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 63.22.252.247 |
Bump for GGWO defender. } | ||
| sidethorn Senior Member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 1183 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.191.61.164 |
bump | ||
| rjfernalld Senior Member Username: rjfernalld Post Number: 1961 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.123.68.125 |
bump | ||
| kupski Member Username: kupski Post Number: 93 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.99.102.137 |
You still attend "churches" to play the master and servant to these lazy morons bilking people for money as they claim they have special anointings to preach as though you do not ? How incredibly sad you still refer to them as "Pastor" ?, isn't Jesus really your pastor?, aren't you really supposed to "pastor" out in your community,family and job, or is this just a special day of "holiness" and title exchanging (good ole boy back slapping) for a Sunday and Wednesday ? | ||
| tywint Junior Member Username: tywint Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 207.69.248.53 |
The people have chosen to let this thread die - so stop bumping it. Same thing with dozens of other threads. Maybe it's time to start threads about the positive things that are happening and to stop harping about what GG did 10, 20 and 30+ years ago. I pop on this site once every 6 months or so and every time I'm here it is the same old dead horse getting beaten. There is certainly enough history in the archives already. | ||
| anon_brief Advanced Member Username: anon_brief Post Number: 650 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.188.117.202 |
Seriously...did you really type that with a straight face? First, most people around here really don't respond to directives. I'm surprised that you haven't figured that out. You are sounding like a tywint, you wascally, wabbit. Second, ironically, you've just bumped the thread. LOL. Your need to control the board was greater than your desire to have the thread die. Too funny. Finally, if there was anything positive going on, why didn't YOU start a thread about it? Same old same old...and that is precisely why we bump the threads. | ||
| bob_brinton Senior Member Username: bob_brinton Post Number: 1309 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.109.245.143 |
Maybe we could talk about what a great job we're doing in Iraq. Or about the increasing size of the middle class and the demise of poverty in America. We could talk about the trend of telling the truth in government. Or about how drivers on the roads are becoming so much more courteous. And as for the Church; behold how they love one another. Well, some of us do, at least. | ||
| bob_brinton Senior Member Username: bob_brinton Post Number: 1311 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.109.245.143 |
Good news! Psalm 12 1 HELP, LORD! For principled and godly people are here no more; faithfulness and the faithful vanish from among the sons of men. 2 To his neighbor each one speaks words without use or worth or truth; with flattering lips and double heart [deceitfully] they speak. 3 May the Lord cut off all flattering lips and the tongues that speak proud boasting, 4 Those who say, With our tongues we prevail; our lips are our own [to command at our will]--who is lord and master over us? 5 Now will I arise, says the Lord, because the poor are oppressed, because of the groans of the needy; I will set him in safety and in the salvation for which he pants. 6 The words and promises of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in an earthen furnace, purified seven times over. 7 You will keep them and preserve them, O Lord; You will guard and keep us from this [evil] generation forever. 8 The wicked walk or prowl about on every side, as vileness is exalted [and baseness is rated high] among the sons of men. | ||
| sofree Member Username: sofree Post Number: 94 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.49.86.205 |
10, 20, 30 years ago? As of October 10th 2007, Jeffrey Michael Wisot is still alive, well, and very active on the cult front. Past, present and future tense - a con-artist. | ||
| bob_brinton Senior Member Username: bob_brinton Post Number: 1312 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.123.72.146 |
And try these things on. Particularly, listen to Colonel Harrington on the NPR link. He's a professional interrogater. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/09/terrorism_torture_and_shared_hypocrisy/ http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15148243 |
