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     missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 1702 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 201.57.69.188 |
I would just like to say most of the time my answers are short it is not because I do not want to address the subjects more it is because I live and work under great pressure on the mission field. I am always pressed for time. So much to do...However please do not feel offended if my answers do not go into long detail... I just don't have a lot of time. I have never in over 40 years of ministry written on a board like factnet. I only write here because I KNOW what I am talking about and HH is not a place with a biblical setup. Maybe and I am sure there are many places that fit into that description...but I have never seen a place where I saw so many people destroyed in so short a time span... I really worry about those people inside there that for most part have no clue what is going on... | ||
| fullofquestions Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 72 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
HHH does not deserve your expert insight. | ||
| fullofquestions Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 73 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
I mean HH | ||
| fullofquestions Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 74 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
Sorry | ||
| dowen Advanced Member Username: dowen Post Number: 837 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.9.93.81 |
Questioner, I am not trying to be rude here, but for someone who is "full of questions", you sure seem to have alot of answers. Just sayin'  . Seriously, for you to say that HH does not deserve the "insight" of someone who has taken it upon herself to criticize and mock their every move seems kind of silly to me. For example, I once witnessed a couple of cruel kids mocking and making fun of a mentally handicapped child. Please tell me how that is different from what Mrs. A. is doing to HH here on FN? She thinks HH is a bunch of "poor abused nazi lambs", yet she mocks them continuously. It is exactly like the rude despicable actions of the folks mocking the mentally retarded person. | ||
| fullofquestions Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 92 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
Lord I apologise, and be with them starving Pygmies down there in New Guinea, Amen. | ||
| fullofquestions Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 93 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
I've been accused of being full of something. | ||
| dowen Advanced Member Username: dowen Post Number: 838 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.9.93.81 |
Ahh, now I get it. A Larry the Cable Guy fan. "I don't care who ya' are, that right there's funny." ------------------------------------------------- I don't get it Questioner. Either you are joining in the mocking of those you think are lesser than you, or you are just a troll. | ||
| fullofquestions Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 97 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
Sorry if I offended. Whats a troll? | ||
| dowen Advanced Member Username: dowen Post Number: 839 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.9.93.81 |
No, I am not offended. Just a little surprised that anyone could support Mrs. A's daily barrage of mockery towards "Jim Jones' poor little lost nazi lambs" at HH. Oh, a troll is best described here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 101 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
Ouch I see your point. I don't support her, just her courage. Mybe it's misguided. | ||
| dowen Advanced Member Username: dowen Post Number: 840 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.9.93.81 |
Hello again "FullOfQuestions", I understand you supporting what you saw as MissionaryLady's courage. That I do not have a problem with. Unfortunately, it is possible, even likely, that many groups you see attacked online and elsewhere are deserving of the attack. HH is not one of them. I appreciate your honesty and willingness to say that possibly you were misguided. Just saying that took more guts than ML and her wrecking crew have ever had here. God bless, DOwen. | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 115 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
thank you dowen. You bring a new light to this. | ||
| praxaluh Advanced Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 867 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.73.4.159 |
Hi Folks, Daniel, "I appreciate your honesty and willingness to say that possibly you were misguided. Just saying that took more guts than ML and her wrecking crew have ever had here." Amen. This is an important point, espectially in regards to Mrs. Alvear. No matter how vicious and insipid her words .. {nazi, jim jones, living dead, brainwashed, killing babies, d.c. ..) She never offers an apology to the forum or an HH. Mrs. Alvear is courageous in spewing venom from a distance while timid in integrity. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 1721 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 201.57.69.188 |
judging again Prax??????????????? I am at a distance working in the mission fields. I knelt before the so called elders of HH and wept...but I will not let them destroy what GOD has done in Brazil.. | ||
| praxaluh Advanced Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 871 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.73.4.159 |
Mrs. Alvear, every venomous word there is from your lips. And you never show remorse, it is as if your conscience is seared, you never retract and offer an integrity apology, to the forum and to HH. That is the simple truth. Just as bad are the oppositionalists here who fall in behind you. They are just as accountable by their silence and smokescreens. Accountable before God, and accountable for failing to seek to help you. My thanks to the one (neutral) poster who was willing to speak up last night about you your blizzards of posts, including their lack of substance. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 1726 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 201.57.69.188 |
The most important thing is GOD KNOWS...truth will stand...it may take a long time to come out but it always does. God will see to that. | ||
| pilgrim16 New member Username: pilgrim16 Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 72.183.96.81 |
prax, one thing is for sure; there are multiple more people here posting against HH than for HH. | ||
| praxaluh Advanced Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 872 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.73.4.159 |
Hi Folks, Pilgrim... most definitely. The 100's of people within HH are busy serving God and ministering one to another. And any who might respond here likely realize that trying to dialog with the types of blasphemies and vitriol that come forth here is simply a lose-lose situation, like feeding a poisonous snake trying to strike. Even those outside HH yet sympathetic look at this forum stuff largely with disgust, especially the blasphemies, and can be concerned that exposing to evil communications is hazardous to ones spiritual health. So yes, there are definitely 5-10 folks posting here who are very hostile to HH. And one who posts frequently and repetitiously. And there are some mostly cowed to quietness who might be a little adverse to HH or mostly neutral - either way interested in learning - they see the barrage of venom, know the forum is a mess, and only post sporadically. Perhaps you are one of those. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| not_scared New member Username: not_scared Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 166.165.176.7 |
i disagree prax, not so easily with the wave of the fingers on the keyboard should hh get off so easily... real distructive patterns are alive and well at hh and honest experiences should not be thrown out or addressed as hostility so easily. | ||
| praxaluh Advanced Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 873 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.73.4.159 |
Hi N_S, Honest opinions are one thing. When they come forth we have discussion, point and counterpoint. I share, I listen, others share, they listen. Vitriol blasphemy is something else.. dishonest . Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 126 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
I have to agree. | ||
| not_scared New member Username: not_scared Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 166.165.178.211 |
you dropped to 126. | ||
| foreverhis Intermediate Member Username: foreverhis Post Number: 447 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 12.162.187.15 |
The members of HH, except the few appointed by the elders to watch this forum, are not likely allowed to read it, let alone respond. Even reading a newspaper in HH can get you in trouble!!!! Prax, why leave that out? ....Because it is you who are manipulating the truth. Where is the dishonesty??? ********* Prax is accusing us all of blasphemy because we dare come against their doctrines and apostle. He equates them with God. And as in most control sects anything said against them, (or in some cases, just the unwillingness to defend them,) is blasphemy. I rarely even read his posts anymore, but at least I have a choice now that I am no longer in HH. NO more is one man controlling the information I have access to process, and therefore controlling my thoughts and decisions. NO more am I living according to that man's patterns that are supposed to get me through the temple to oneness with God. Anyone who has been in HH as an adult, long enough to know their doctrines and LIVED under them sometime during the last 15 years, wouldn't want to defend them even if they could. Defend the sweet people, yes. I will do that. Defend the leader's doctrines which can, and some times does, lead to the abuse of these same sweet people? NO. Most of them are not defendable. Even with Prax, it is easier just to yell "blasphemy and vitriol" while trying to assassin the poster’s character so people won't listen to what the person has to say, then it is to defend such nonsense as HH doctrine. So, is the covenant and doctrine of HH the same covenant that the Bible calls the New Testament? Are BA's words equal to God's? Only if they are, can what we say against them be blasphemy. Let's deal with the doctrines and patterns. Is it right, that the leaders get to decide for the other grown ups in HH, what they are and are not allowed to read and listen to, including the newspaper and radio? Is it right that they have to take BA's interpretation of the Bible as the proper one? Is it right for them to be taught that if they ever leave HH after being baptized they will be leaving God and will not receive salvation? Is it right for the leaders of HH to have the VERY same authority over the members as God Himself is supposed to have? FH (Message edited by foreverhis on January 12, 2007) | ||
| pilgrim16 New member Username: pilgrim16 Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 72.183.96.81 |
HH will not outlive its leader. | ||
| not_scared New member Username: not_scared Post Number: 14 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 166.165.184.81 |
excellent post FH. i have friends with familiy still there. any word of hope to them is worth the effort here. | ||
| praxaluh Advanced Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 874 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.73.4.159 |
Forever_His, Please. Most everyone knows that HH is not media (print and TV and movies) or computer oriented. A very nice part of life there. (Many oneness and other Christian groups groups have a similar orientation, although generally less full-orbed, while many of these groups also have a less full community life.) And clearly, you should not lie. I am not accusing you all of blasphemy. I am very specific about what are the blasphemies and vitriol, who is speaking them, and who is chirping alongside and who is offering defensive shields to the acrid words. Many have stayed away from the junque, one spoke with clear integrity, another recently spoke similarly and the non-oppos have always been concerned about this. I also showed you the more expansive (than you might like) dictionary definition of the word 'blasphemy' , however I think you missed that. Just go to www.dictionary.com . F_H, you are the classic example. Despite all your effort to put forth a temperate facade not once have you had the simple integrity to disassociate yourself from the vile words and blasphemies like -- 'death covenant', 'killing babies', 'living dead', 'Jim Jones'. Not once. In fact, in a way you have been the chief defender, making excuses, acting like a dynamic duo, not Batman and Robin, but Hatchet-woman and Robin. Hopefully those days on the forum are coming to an end. We shall see. What would be really fine and proper would be a straight and sincere and uncouched apology to the forum and to HH for the vitriols. Wow, would that be appropriate and proper and clear the air. In Jesus name. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| pilgrim16 New member Username: pilgrim16 Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 72.183.96.81 |
prax, you want rational comments on what is often non-rational behavior at HH. | ||
| praxaluh Advanced Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 875 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.73.4.159 |
Hi Pilgrim, I want to wish you and all a wonderful weekend ahead. Finish your work-week, getcha ducks in a row. btw I sincerely think you are wrong in your pseudo-prophetic utterance about the future of HH. There is really an unusual structure (for the church world) that is not dependent upon a man's word, or upon a central political organization. This Godly pattern gives to their fellowship and ministry and community a lot of resilency, flexibility and organic strength. And if 3/4 of the folks left tomorrow (persecution, succumbing to a wave of agi-prop, feverish delerium or whatever) I truly believe that all involved would simply and properly stay the course. With great depth of hurt and burden and concern - yet knowing that being true to God comes first. Folks in opposition should seek to allow God to truly minister to their lives, to become strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. Personally I believe if they do that the opposition and the tuff conjectures will vanish, a bond of peace will be formed. They will appreciate the many wonderful aspects of HH, even if they still hold on their various concerns and puzzlements. May such a heart transformation be upon many of the folks here, as brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| under_grace Intermediate Member Username: under_grace Post Number: 363 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.162.115.154 |
Hey Prax, You posted...."So yes, there are definitely 5-10 folks posting here who are very hostile to HH. And one who posts frequently and repetitiously. And there are some mostly cowed to quietness who might be a little adverse to HH or mostly neutral - either way interested in learning - they see the barrage of venom, know the forum is a mess, and only post sporadically. Perhaps you are one of those." You know I respect your sincerity but your figures are way off. I will repeat something that know to be a fact. There are hundreds (close to a thousand) of ex-members over the last twenty-five years that joined Truth Forum, Emmaus, Koninia and Homestead Heritage. Out of the couple of hundred ex-members that I know of I do not know of one that left on good terms. Many have left the Christian faith altogether. You spoke in a previous post you knew of former members rekindling their connection to HH as you have done. Would that be members who were a part over twenty years ago as you were? I say that because FH,ML,TH,SG and UG can't think of any. Over all Prax what you describe as "5-10 posting here as hostile" and "some" who are cowed to quietness is way off. Prax there are HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME OUT OF HH HURT AND WOUNDED. Maybe because you can't except that would explain why you defend so passionately and why many of us are warning people what to expect in the same manner. Still moving...... Under Grace | ||
| praxaluh Advanced Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 877 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 74.73.4.159 |
Hi U_G, The group of folks you mentioned above are largely the embittered. Those who look towards a reconnecting with HH, or simply hold it as a real consideration, will not be seeking out those embroiled in vitriol. They will be humble before God and keep a real distance from the severely disaffected. I know I kept such a distance through both the good times and the difficult times. I would never entertain someone full of venom against my friends seeking to serve God (although at times the temptation was there). Most of the folks I personally know of course go back a few years. Each situation is different and unique - whether the person moved into a oneness church environment, or allowed the cares of the world to become their fancy (sometimes the reason folks leave to begin with) or many other possibilities. My numbers above were about this forum. If you really didn't realize that then you should read more carefully. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| pilgrim16 New member Username: pilgrim16 Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.132.0.250 |
the history of the church doesn't much go for God suddenly plugging into a person who isn't under anyone's authority but God's. It sounds good but just doesn't work in the long run...the stuff I thought was useless when I was a young Christian I know count for much...The Church Fathers and Doctors and Saints. if you unplugg from history and tradition because you think you are smarter than all of that, its a mistake...what has lasted for centuries counts nomatter if BA says it doesn't... |
