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nyk
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Username: nyk
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:50 pm: | 
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i posted the following at davids site tonight
transcending ramtha = enlightenment
in no way do i mean this allegorically. i have been
saying this for 8 years now. i dont think anyone
ever listened to me. they screened what i was saying
out. transcending gurus and schools (including
jesuses and buddhas and so forth) is the key to
enlightenment. people are very reluctant to see
that, to even consider it. they have umbilical cords
woven tight around their necks. carroll, for example.
he had a total enlightenment experience in the
seventies BEFORE he went to ramtha. did he accept
that? no. he went to ramtha for 23 years. we are all
so stubborn.
leave ramtha. neutralize ramtha. completely. that
is the ticket to total freedom.
some want to make the experience a crucifixion of
sorts. as you wish. i applaud freedom. period.
some go to other gurus. like gangaji. too bad. but
maybe they need a transition phase. the best thing
in my opinion is to just get up and leave. in an
instant. i truly love what erika (carrolls partner)
did. she stood up in an event and shouted across
the arena, "**** YOU RAMTHA". And she went out the
doors and never came back.
bravo.
[edited for a spelling error]
(Message edited by nyk on January 05, 2007) |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 230
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.113.201
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 1:45 am: |
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nyk,
Thank you for a lively and powerful post..
Just to remind everyone..
There are former RSE students who made the EMF website possible,
Who wisely chose to remain anonymous..
Sadly, as predicted.. The Queen Bee is attempting to sting anyone that appears to threaten her RSE honey pot….
The Golden Rule of all dictatorships is to divide and rule,
This is moving into full swing in the Yelm RSE community.
For those that enjoy and support “Ramtha” just remember to take your blinders off should you visit the EMF website…
Who knows.. Perhaps..
You may find yourself stung by the Queen Bee and need some healing balm too?
And we will be here for you. |
nyk
New member
Username: nyk
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 11:57 am: |
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David-
Are the bees coming to your site and gathering
nectar? 
and some elaboration...
for myself it all comes down to a single thing. in
the example of ramtha, the primary and intrinsic
teaching so-called was 'behold god'. well, if one
really and truly takes such an ideal and goes all of
the way with it, then where does that leave you?
that leaves you with yourself, your essence (or
whatever we choose to call it). does such a one
need a school or a teacher or a community (cult)?
hardly. the school then would have no more intrinsic
value to you than any other feature in the landscape.
even less. to choose to be a student is not to
choose to behold god. that is rather the age old
game of choosing to chase god. and to do that is
to suffer. the value in rse is if one can use it
to at last cure themselves of their own schism.
there is no behold god in the school. and there is
no behold god in any other school either. it is all
a trick that we play on ourselves.
caveat emptor.
it's really pretty funny when you think about it.
ramtha's own teachings themselves point to the
need to disown ramtha. sovereignty IS sovereignty.
but we all seem to automatically fall right into
the waiting game, the game of progressive liber-
ation (there is no such thing), and communal and
parental modalities...without even thinking about
it (or questioning it). obey ramtha (or jesus).
why? because you are not god?
to stay is to lose. to go is to be free. it doesn't
matter whether ones experience there was nice or
it was nasty. that is not the point, in my opinion.
personal freedom is the only thing.
i am a proponent of ragnarok. in ragnarok all of
our demons come to the surface, and all of our gods
die. in the end, you are just left with yourself.
a bit tattered and torn perhaps...but real. |
voidgate
Intermediate Member
Username: voidgate
Post Number: 172
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 144.138.162.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 3:30 pm: |
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Perhaps the exhibition in the arena in recent years is no longer Behold God but rather **** God. |
nyk
New member
Username: nyk
Post Number: 6
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 9:07 pm: |
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i dont know voidgate. but it is starting to
sound pretty d*mn ugly. and whats up with
the plastic surgery? i thought it was bad
enough initially, but now it is looking
outright scarey. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 288
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 11:22 pm: |
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would someone please explain to me why a master needs plastic surgery if they are focused intently on becoming younger and younger ? why isn't their dna changing to rearrange the molecular structure in their body and making them younger again ? don't the teachings work? how do you live to be 200 years old if you are aging and need plastic surgery ???
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nyk
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Username: nyk
Post Number: 7
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 11:52 am: |
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maybe when omega comes in we can all afford
to cheat equally as well. and then we'll all
be number one too.
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whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 290
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 1:22 pm: |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH.......nyk, you are a naughty one.
omega will come in any day now.
wonder how clyde hood is doing in jail these days? |
nyk
New member
Username: nyk
Post Number: 8
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 6:34 pm: |
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"you are a naughty one"
well...didn't r state that god is lawless? that
means i have got to be bad to be god.
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whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 292
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 11:21 pm: |
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yes, well it depends on which day/teaching you listen to.
some days god is lawless.
other days there is karma that will have to balance out the good/bad we do.
how can both be true ? hmmmm...
i remember the issue of contradictions came up one time and ...yet again... the students were the only ones held accountable. they were told if they heard a contradiction then they had to choose which timeline they really wanted to be on.
so the teacher has jurisdiction over all/any/our timeline options ? cute.
i'm not buying it. |
nyk
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Username: nyk
Post Number: 10
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 11:37 pm: |
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who says one has to buy it, or anything for
that matter? who makes the final decision?
you buy something, you dont buy something. you
made the choice to do or not do. whether it was
a good choice or a bad choice. you chose.
these contradictions are everywhere. become
as children. but give up childish things. which
is it man?! we live in a frickin' cartoon. who
can we turn to and really trust? no one. even
the nice ones - they offer slavery that you will
hardly even notice.
the teacher is not ramtha. and it never was. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 296
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 11:57 pm: |
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i made the final decision. i left !
and i am the/my teacher.
oh, i got it. it just took me a while. |
nyk
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Username: nyk
Post Number: 12
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:11 am: |
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getting it is all that matters. there is
always carnage after battle. and this was
absolutely hell that you emerged from.
anything less would have anesthetized you.
yeah, i know the outcome is not what any of
us ever expected. but in hindsight there is
a certain logic and necessity to the whole
affair. we chose something that we would have
no choice but to ultimately transcend utterly
for the sake of our own souls. the upside of
all of this is that we are indeed far wiser
than we ever were remotely before. we have
hatched our own consciousness out of that. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 299
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:36 am: |
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yes, we did choose. all the way from start to finish we were always making a choice.
but, we chose a lie.
that's what's wrong. if we were told the truth and WE really couldn't measure up to the task, that's one thing. we could say, "we really tried our best and we just couldn't do it."
but we were sold a bill of goods. sad, yes. but also wrong.
it sure was hell when i sat there, and was asked about coming back to another event. i wasn't raising my hand ...because i knew the end was near for my tenure in the school. the teachings, the teacher, that i (mostly) believed in, had an image that had been crumbling in front of me. after being asked repeatedly about returning, and not raising my hand like the rest of the folks, "he" threatened my life. i have witnesses. it was videotaped. i was so shocked i could only remain motionless. not so much scared. hurt and shocked. why the anger and threats if it's MY journey ????
it only iced the cake. it's over.
i dared to "dissent".
for that, i am pleased with myself. not to pat myself on the back, but it did take courage not to just raise my hand like the rest of them. i was just being honest. i was not looking forward to coming back to another event.
for a while i was worried the ol' lightening bolt was gonna get me. screw that. i'm past that, now.
but it still doesn't make it right. even though i have choices.
i know - you said that you don't mean that justifies any abuse. i got that. i agree. it doesn't.
but where is the accountability of the service provider ? serving an abusive product/teaching. |
nyk
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Username: nyk
Post Number: 14
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 1:51 am: |
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there isnt any accountability. that is the
nature of this world. or rather dream. this
is strickly a personal affair. a singular thing.
you and your soul. everything outside of that
is a cartoon. that is really what the vedas
sing about, in code.
look at the buddhist institutions (east and west)
and read about what has gone on behind the
scenes in those. you already know about the
xtian ones no doubt. it is all a mess. and no-
body is getting anywhere in any of them. the
ones that are not abusive are simply mundane.
i gotta say there are levels to what we each
heard at rse, leaving aside the personalities
mixed up in the whole thing. and there is our
own voice of truth coming back to us at times
in all of that, if we are sharp enough to
discern it. this is true not just in rse but
also in everything and everyone we interact
with. and it defies reason.
another thing. nothing spectacular ever happened
while i was in rse. nothing much ever manifested
really. but afterwards, my life has been like
something out of castaneda. it is almost absurd
at times the way things manifest now. i can
connect a lot of dots now, but i doubt that i
can explain those connections to anyone else.
i'll tell you how i personally view rse today...
as an afterimage. a phantasm. i had my time in
there for some personal acquisition - something
really intangible; a certain self sense is all -
and then all at once it was as though the ramtha
thing went entirely hollow for me...from
substance to ghost. poof.
and now i know what freedom really is. know it
in my bones. and the gracious thing to do is to
simply thank everyone i ever encountered (includ-
ing the ghosts of yelm) and myself for it. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 300
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 8:52 am: |
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nyk,
a lot of what you just said in this last post sounds like the dogma of rse. it sounds like what they would have you say/believe. you sure can, but i don't agree with it. which is okay.
if i am understanding your posts correctly, you are saying that no matter what has happened, one should take the good out of it, and shelve the bad, and leave it at that. if so, i disagree.
to say there is no accountability, is also something i disagree with. there is. and we ALL have it.
some of the new age dogma would leave one thinking/believing that if something happens to them that is bad, it is their own fault. if something happens to them that is bad, then the person that perpetrated it has no fault/responsibility. i disagree. that sounds like a blame game and is a typical sociopathic response - not accepting responsibility.
as a matter of fact, in one of ramtha's contradictory comments, he has said that if you do wrong by someone you have at least a moral obligation to make amends to that person. |
nyk
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Username: nyk
Post Number: 15
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.235.25.217
| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 10:26 am: |
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i am responsible for myself. and for what i
take in and for what i dish out. if others,
such as jz, such as the dieing fanatics,
continue to refuse responsibility what can i
do about it? i dont know. |