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     witness4god New member Username: witness4god Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Saturday, September 30, 2006 Why Does It Have To Happen? By Pastor J Do you ever wonder why things in your life happen the way they do? Do you wonder why they were allowed to happen to you? Do you wonder why you had to go through that situation? Or has there ever been a situation where you thought to yourself, I knew this would happen. I knew it was going to work out this way. Do all things really work together for good? These are all questions surrounding the providence of God. We often wonder why we go through the situations, ups, downs and repeat instances that life has to offer. We go through these situations because … It Is Supposed To Happen. The things that happen in your life are suppose to happen the way they happen. The reason you were sick is because you were supposed to get sick. You had to get sick because that would prompt you to go to the doctor. You had to go to the doctor because after his examination he had to let you know that your blood pressure was high. Thank God you came in. The reason you were late is because you were supposed to be late. You had to be late because you had to avoid the major accident that would have happened if you'd been in the intersection on time. The reason your son was born is because he was supposed to be born. If you had gone through with the abortion then you wouldn't have the preacher you have today. The reason you were laid off is because you were supposed to be laid off. If you had not gotten laid off, you wouldn't have received an offer for double your old salary with twice the opportunity for growth. It's not coincidental. It has been established by God to happen. It happened because you are predestined. It happened because it is God's plan because your destiny has already been established. You can declare it happened for your good. Understand what you go through is for your benefit. What you go through provides the opportunity for growth and development while bringing you closer to Christ. If you hadn't gone through some of the experiences you've had then you wouldn't have learned from them. If you wouldn't have learned from them then you wouldn't be where you are today. You wouldn't have what you have to stand on which is how you keep going. All things are working together for good. It might not feel good but God will work all of it out. Sometimes God is creating for you. Sometimes he is eliminating for you. Sometimes he is building, sometimes he tears down. He is doing this for your ultimate good. All that is happening happens on purpose. So since you now know that what happens in your life, whether good or bad, happens for a reason; Since you know it happens because it is all in the plan; Because you know it's in the plan and that it will all work out for your good, when it happens, just praise him. Tell the Lord Thank You. Hallelujah. Let the Lord know that no matter what circumstances you find yourself in you will praise him. Praise him because you know that the situation is put in your midst for your ultimate success, for the ultimate blessing at the ultimate level. To hear this full message, It Is Suppose To Happen, please contact Pastor J Ministries at 877-471-0179 Scripture References Romans 8:28-30 Hebrews 1:3b Colossians 1:17 1 Timothy 6:15b Romans 8:29-30 Romans 8:28 (NIV) Ephesians 1:11-12 (NIV) Romans 8:31 (NIV) | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 4737 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.4.117.127 |
This kind of thinking defies our gift from God. Free will. Makes us look like robots which is NOT God's plan. A lot of things that happen to us is because we are stupid, not using common sense, not in tune with the Holy Spirit, and just plain careless. But when we are in tune with the Holy Spirit THEN God's plan happens. Just because God knows the past, present and future does not mean that everything is God's plan or God's will. If that was the case then Earth would be paradise. There would be no death and tragedy. There would be no need for heaven. We would be already there. But it's not. Because we do not always listen to God. God does not want evil things to happen to us. satan does. But because we are allowed to make our own choices things happen. The good and  the bad. | ||
| lampost Member Username: lampost Post Number: 52 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 164.111.19.181 |
I agree Franklin. We are in and out of God's will all the time. The important thing is that we line up our life with Him and His Word so that His plans can happen in our lives. But, if I enter into rebellion and become a drug addict, I don't believe that was God's perfect plan, but when He sends someone to help me and I choose to get delivered and restored, then I can get back in the river. Unfortunatley that river is moving past us all the time. So when we get back in, it isnt the same place as when we left and others might be up on ahead. But God... But God can turn the bad circumstances in our lives into a powerful testimony for Him if we choose to be restored. At that point we are given keys that can help unlock someone else's bondage. But the best thing to have done is not to have jumped out of the river in the first place. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 555 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Yet but people that are hurting see the river as an escape many times. I've never done drugs but I know people that do that are trying to escape. My own personal battles - the same thing. As for my own life - I don't think it will ever be a powerful testimony to Christ. I think I've blown it. I can't even forgive myself. And the strange thing is that I know others have done worse things than I have - worse at least from the world's view. I wish that I could have a brighter outlook but it would be a lie to say that often I feel it is just hopeless. And I'm just bidding my time for my time on this earth to end. I know I am probably giving myself an opportunity to be attacked because of my often seemly lack of hope but I'm not going to lie about it either. But I am glad that many on this board don't fight that struggle and that they can easily stay in the river. I'm just a sinner saved by grace - and that is the only thing that I have the slightest amount of hope in. | ||
| mercy_me Member Username: mercy_me Post Number: 88 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 206.228.128.9 |
Grace; What on earth has happened to you???? What ever you have done it is forgiveable. You are such a great encourager with such wisdom. Pick yourself up and dust the dirt off. In the book of Joshua, he was rolling around on the ground wallering in his and others mistakes and God said, "Get up" what are you doing there. I have things for you to do. Satan is trying to take you out because you are of great value in the kingdom of God. I know how he can deceive you and twist things up. I got really messed up in here a while back. But you have to fight the good fight of faith. No one can do this for you, but you.. So Get up, God has already forgiven you if you have asked him. If not ask him. He still has great things ahead for you to do no matter what..... Rebuke Satan, plea the blood of Jesus over yourself, put on the whole armor of God and press on my friend in Christ to the high call that God has created for you to accomplish. But he can't do it through you if you will not allow him to. If you only knew all the mistakes I have made in my lifetime. But you know what God has used them to make me stronger and more determined and more compassionate to those who have made the same mistakes and to try to reach others so that they will not ever have to go through what I did. Be like Joshua be strong and courageous. Receive God's forgiveness and love and mercy and grace2u. I love you Grace with the love of the LORD. You do not have to answer this. I don't expect any response. I just expect my sister back on her feet and pressing on and fulfilling Gods plan for your life...... God loves you so much Grace, just let go and let him..... God Bless | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 556 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Well for one thing I have hurt Franklin and Rachel even though I did not intentionally do that. But that is usually how it goes. I don't normally set out to hurt anyone. I'm not sure there is a plan Mercy. Sometimes you can't get up on your own. (Message edited by Grace2u on January 06, 2007) | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 557 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Rachel can attest to the above. And don't think of me as such an encourager. I've basically been pretty down since last June. Some witness for Christ, huh? I had a dream where I ended up in a cesspool and there was a wolf in sheeps clothing hurting a reddish brown (I think) horse. I always assumed I was the horse and the horse was valient and strong. Maybe I am really the wolf in sheeps clothing? Then again . . . maybe I'm just the observer sitting in the cesspool. OK, this is where uncharmed can just come on it and beat me to a pulp because I won't feel it anyway. (Message edited by Grace2u on January 06, 2007) | ||
| no_no New member Username: no_no Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.130.100.144 |
Isn't there a problem with this particular woman because she deceived everyone with multiple identities, and at the same time, hid that she had false visions, sorcery based dreams, and she felt she was called to marry Carman and hid that while manipulating everyone? She seems to have the most spiritual darkness of almost anyone, other than HopeFaithLove and NewLife. It is astounding that there is professed cyber love and harmony for those who are much less than ethical or spiritually right on, but there is nasty virulence and hatred and even unbalanced suspicions for those who are poignantly truthful. When have you said anything like this to the people who have been accused and "stalked" by other posters, such as the posters from Hawaii? The most aggressive, highly controlling or unloving contributors, who espouse spiritual authority but do not openly identify themselves or who appear to be here to aggrandize and garner some sort of power or attention, get a hallpass, while others who have experiences or opinions about Carman or doctrines that are more lucid and truth founded, are demanded of to show their true identities and to subordinate themselves apparently to haughty strangers who like Carman to the point of it being a cult fascination and extra-Biblical? Grace is one of the least trustworthy and most assuredly not stable woman who has posted here and she is being cheered on and missed? HopeFaithLove, who is by all means a true Jezebell spirit, demands to be seen as not only an authority on Carman's life both his past and his present, but she is pretending to be God's own authorative presence regarding doctrines and Carman and she is not countered or does not have to identify herself or even her denomination? Mercy Me do you love everyone who has contributed here and can you offer them the same exact encouragement and warmth? Do some of the posters deserve that warmth and encouragement, more than a person who deliberately deceived others and hid her real motives for posting on the cult blog in the first place? I tried to be more unity and kindness based and stressed love when I came to the conclusion to post something a few days ago, and then I quickly realized that it is a breeding ground of hypocrisy and domination tactics and that many of the people who are posting are emotionally ill, spiritually deluded and psychologically violent. There are personalities here that no matter what you say or do, their only goal is to exert themselves and be in self deception about Carman for a feeling or for a sense of identity they cannot garner anywhere else. You don't commend false hood and ungodly domination or idolatry and hatred. I will never show the astounding un-Biblical contrasts and upside down morality that is riddled throughout here, to my husband, who isn't saved yet and who already has a problem with the arrogance and double standards with many Christians. He has many "friends" in the Scientology cult and we differ on this almost daily. He thought Carman's movie was not very good and has other accurate, professional assessments that I will decline from posting to be kind. I hoped it would have changed his heart, instead he used the cheesy and compromised quality to move further away. The script was juvenile and the acting was poor in many places and it had a strange feeling and some questionable connections and images. You must understand that it is a sin to worship Carman and to give honor to people who are not honorable. Love is a good thing to extend to anyone, especially those who are ill or confused, but the double standards and the malice and control of some of the people here is very fishy. | ||
| no_no New member Username: no_no Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.130.100.144 |
You like some others are not really discerning. But, be careful not to claim something is discernment when its your own mind or witchcraft and possibly demonic darts to create a false hood of some kind. Why does one woman wish or pressure that identities be confirmed, without confirming or proving her own? Does the Lord pour out a blessing or favor on that kind of poor standard? Why do people hate the character BobOLink? He and Grace who used a different name then, had interactions and while he may be a psuedonym for someone who chose to speak creatively, she was deceiving him and everyone, but you don't find NewLife filtering out any of those kinds of facts. Was she angry because he seems to deeply value and love his wife and life? Does it matter if he used a portal IP or was not always in Hawaii? That doesn't matter to me, because this is a writing space and what he said didn't ring with the hate and rejection and false spiritual positioning of others who like to use a wealth of verses to weaponize their posts but who don't have the wealth of love and compassion towards those who are outside of "their box". There must be a demon involved at some point in the upside down politics and wrong standards abundant here. Most of the contributors here, would never fathom that they could be being influenced or used by spirits. Carman and his group have or hold the same arrogant mentality. By the way, I could not find anything in BobOLinks posts, unless they were removed at some time, that really said anything unkind or vicious about Carman or anyone else for that matter. What is the angst all about? ***Can't the love you speak of be shared between everyone on purpose?*** I love your endearing and humble statements about your own mistakes and God using your errors to teach and refine you. I don't agree with encouraging someone who is detrimental or dark spiritually to continue in a demonstration of wrong involvement. | ||
| lampost Member Username: lampost Post Number: 53 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 164.111.19.181 |
What's up Grace, Well I, for one, will not attack anyone for being honest. That is the problem with most church folks is that we put on a mask in front of others when way down we are hurting. So I give you much props for being honest. I am concerned for you since you are just living till you die. I was just like that. Couldn't forgive myself for messing up and hearing all that negative talk inside my head. When I finally "woke up" from my living dead state, i realized that there was a broken record in the back of my brain with all that negative talk just playing away. (I say record and not CD because that's how long it had been playing) I realized that I was believing what satan was saying about me then what God was saying. I encourage you to do a couple of things. First, do what i finally did. I realized that for me not to forgive myself or not to believe what God was saying about me was literally a slap in the face to Jesus. It was like me saying... "well, sorry God your Son was just not good enough to forgive me. I am just a sorry person and not really needed here on this earth." That was a reallllll wake up call for me. God made you and you have a purpose. To say otherwise is saying He made a mistake. I think not. I also enourage you to look into the Word for all the scripture listed in a concordance that pertains to victorious living. Read them and apply them. Speak them because faith comes by hearing. So make your ears hear you reading those scriptures. For you to adopt the attitude, like I did, is to deprive others of what you can give them. They need what you have! There is a lost and dying world out there and you have the answer! For you to stay in a hopeless state and attitude is right where the devil wants you because that makes you immobilized. Next, if you are not encouraged in your church or getting messages that you can apply to your life right away then find another church. Finally, remember that you could never do enough for God to hate you. Never. He loves you more than you will ever know. He has the entire universe in His hands and all the galaxies and all the planets and the earth and can see into the Unites States, into your state, into your home and into your heart and He would have died just for you. Just for you. So go'on and hold you head up girl. In Him there is no condemnation and tell that devil where to go. You are a child of the King and you, my friend, are royalty. That is just a fact, whether your feelings feel it or not. Speak it and act it until your feelings line up with His Word. Hey just like Carmans song, when the devil reminds you of your past, remind him of your future. | ||
| lampost Member Username: lampost Post Number: 54 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 164.111.19.181 |
Can I pray for you? Touch your hand to the computer screen as a point of contact. Lord, thank you for this sister that has come forward in honesty. Life and struggles are getting in the way of her living a vicotorious life for you. In the name of Jesus I bind the spirit of confusion, depression and apathy and loose your Spirit of peace and comfort. I come against those chains of bondage that is around her life in the name of Jesus. Jesus your name is above every name-even depression, even all the bondages we can name. I pray vicotry in the struggles she is going through. I pray that she will find encouragement and fellowship with other Bible believing believers and will find her purpose in You. Show her in a supernatural and real way that you are here in her midst and love her no matter what. Bathe her in Your love Lord till she just can't stand it! Its in Your name that we ask this. Amen Now Grace. Just close your eyes and meditate on God's love and what He did for you on the cross and what He wants to CONTINUE to do in you and through you. Now tell Him you love Him. Then ask Him if He loves you and stay quiet and listen to what He says. Love ya girl. Keep that head up. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 558 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
What do you think no no? Do I have a future? Are you just sent from satan to remind me of my past? Well like I said earlier - there is not really anything you can say to bring me down or make me feel any worse. I feel unloveable. You don't have to remind me about anything. I hear the recordings every single day. I guess in your world there is no hope for me. | ||
| no_no New member Username: no_no Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.130.100.144 |
Mercy Me do you think its possible that you are using Grace to make yourself feel like a minister? Jesus would not want her to continue posting based on her 'true' involvement with Carman and her past behavior or dependency like four or five strong Christians have expressed and had what is called 'discernment from the Lord'. It sounds very sound to say that you love her and that she should get up and go on, but it is more sound of mind and spirit to be glad that she moved on and is no longer involving any parts of her emotional or spiritual life in the context of Carman. Why would you encourage someone who lied the way that she has and why wouldn't you have corrected the hypocrisy of some of the very controlling women, who stalk Carman then call it support of him and stalk other posters mentally and in cyber time, and think its anything but that by the way to those who they don't like? There is consistent unadmitted mental illness and demonic influence and a very surprising double standard. Violent people who could care less about the state of their own character or behavior and then at the same time try to beat the bajeviees out contributors in reality or who share correct doctrinal basis for their premises. Carman, I hope that you are very prayerful and not **egotistical** about your "cheerleaders". "Positive" lies and worship of your image or your career is not godly or safe to take in and believe. Its more important to receive critical and honest thought, and take it for mature consideration, than to rest on the mindset of people who have their own interests at heart and laud you for the sake of something they only call as from God, but you know, it isn't. It isn't good or accurate, to base your identity on fans and people who fill their hearts with the contents from God that are placed in your art. God wants us to be well thought of only where it is true according to him and to be patient and interested in what may appear to be unkind when it is good medicine. We are measured by our humility and honesty not by our crafted public image and those who have agendas for believing in us and what we do. I know many people in Hollywood, they come to our summer home often and they know not to base their lives on their fans. Do you? Are you willing to know and to be open about the truth about Paul Crouch? Does it matter to you that Jan lies about some things and should she exposed or would you say, 'tolerated' because she gives you things that you wouldn't have otherwise? If you know what is wrong in their lives, like drinking and the many many properties they own but do not disclose, would you care Carman or turn a blind eye to get what you want from their ministry? Carman what are you really like? Do you have the obligation in life and in the kingdom of God to be real and not be manipulative or self serving while appearing to be the very opposite? Do you care that your employees and family took the myspace information down as a contributor showed here? Do you think that was manipulative? I live in a worldy home other than my input and disciplines and we have on many instances, noticed that Friends is lewd and irresponsible and bawdy. I can't stand much of TV and the writing today. Did you see the new program on FOX, "The War at Home"? The emphasis on gay "children"???? Did you complain to the sponsors and network about the content? Or would you ly back and refuse to be a "trouble maker"? What do you think of all of this? What should you in fact think, or say for that matter? | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 559 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Thank you lampost. No no - let's get it out now. Why don't you throw everything that you have at me. Let's get it over with. Tell me how I am worthless. You won't be the first to treat me this way you know. Try to crush me. Go ahead. Have at it. Remind me of everything that I've done wrong. Then why don't you grab me and throw me against a concrete wall. I've been there too. And that's no lie! Show the love of your God. | ||
| julia Intermediate Member Username: julia Post Number: 184 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 61.68.109.161 |
no_no now that is harsh of you, pile on the burdens why don't you that will help with the mental issues lol, now that is spiritual lol, goes well with the judgement you pronounce on people! Not like the stalkers on this board at all!!!  Seeing you have freinds in Hollywood you should be able to do something about the complaints you mentioned, why burden someone else with it when you can do it yourself? Perhaps they wouldn't listen to you huu? Grace, have a good fresh year. Love in Christ, Julia (Message edited by julia on January 06, 2007) (Message edited by julia on January 06, 2007) | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 4738 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.4.117.127 |
grace, you did not give me time to respond. Activate and I will. | ||
| mercy_me Member Username: mercy_me Post Number: 90 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 206.228.128.9 |
No No, I have a question. Why do you write in a hazy color that is hard on the eyes? I would really like to encourage you and help you. But I don't think you would receive it. I think that you will twist everything I say up and you will try to cause me to doubt what I say and you will try to make me feel bad about what I believe and who I am. Example: (Mercy Me do you think its possible that you are using Grace to make yourself feel like a minister?) What are you trying to do here? You will also want to go into some debate with me and it is never fruitful!!!! So I am not going down that road with you again. Unless, you are willing to lay down all your weapons and allow someone to help you. I encourage Grace because I have seen her heart and I know what a special woman she is. She has admitted to hurting others but I know that she didn't do it intentionally. I think that is why she is so hard on herself because she doesn't like to hurt others. I know this will come out sounding hurtful and I am sorry but I don't know how else to say this. But, you seem to enjoy hurting people. Why? Is it because you are hurting so the only way to heal the pain is by hurting others? So many times when others hurt us our first reaction is to strike out at them and hurt them. Okay, No No right now forget what others have done to you and said to you and think about what Jesus has done for you. Can you see him walking down that dusty road carrying that cross, carrying your sins, my sins, Grace's sins, Carmans sins, Jan and Paul Crouch's sins? Can you see him being nailed to that cross and can you see God pouring all of our sins upon him? He didn't deserve to take our sins, he didn't deserve to be beaten like an animal. But with every stripe on his back with every drop of blood that he spilt he said No No, Mercy Me, Grace, Carman, Jan and Paul this is for you. I know that you will mess up but my blood has you covered. He didn't say I will get even with you for putting me through this, or I will get even with you for hurting me and hurting others. No he said, "I love you, I will never leave you nor forsake you". "Receive my body and drink my blood and do this in remembrance of me and LIVE"!!! (Bring life into peoples lives not death) Don't look at others to see Gods love, look at Jesus to see God's love. Pray that the scales will be taken off of your eyes and you will be able to see people the way God sees people, and pray that you can love people the way that God loves people. There is only unity through Jesus Christ, through his love. There is no unity through confusion, division, manipulation or unrighteous anger. Please know, No No that I say this from my heart. A heart that does truly care for you. No matter what you say or what you do.. Well God Bless! | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 560 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Franklin I did. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 561 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
So many times when others hurt us our first reaction is to strike out at them and hurt them. That is so true! | ||
| wingsaglow Advanced Member Username: wingsaglow Post Number: 539 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.38.210.78 |
Here you are again no_no always talking about Carman in every message.... Can't you ever just leave his name once out of any of your post? Do you feel good attacking so many real adult ladies here? We unlike you are not here to attract Carman. You are a real piece of sick work no_no and even when some one tries to be nice to you it doesn't work. You still turn their message to you right around again and attack them for being nice. If you want to act like a grown up... Then stop attacking other real grown up woman here, and go back to your baby pen. You're only tough here when you type out your sickness, but in real life I bet you can't even handle a tough situation if it came right up and bit you. You'd be a cry baby and let everyone else fight your battles for you. I've seen many wimps like you just before their attacked for having a big mouth, and not the training to back it up with action, but unlike you I can and will back mine up it goes with my job on a day to day basis. I'd really love to be your trainer for just one day, but I already know that you wouldn't make it. Your talk matches all the other wimps that gave up when the pain got too rough on them, and they broke their little finger nail in what's called hell week boo hoo. Get a life no_no your just a young child that's still wet behind your ears. Living in your lost sick wanna be wife to Carman dream fantasy. Unlike you I live in the reality and not a sick fantasy. | ||
| witness4god New member Username: witness4god Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Well, my goodness, I never knew being obedient and posting this would cause such a fuss. I posted this because, one it is truth and two, it is my story. The way of the Cross is the way of death and suffering. That is why natural man , on his own would never choose it. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. It is only by the Sovereignty of God , and the work of the Holy Spirit that one is chosen and drawn into union with The Lord. First work is to know Him , which comes by sharing in His suffering. That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. No tests. No testimony. No trials, no ministry. No broken-ness, No Christ. No Christ pouring through you. Where is it written that man has free will or is a free moral agent? Evidently, most people view God and His Son as failures. They are disobedient for they have not surrendered to Him or His ways. For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Perhaps, this is why there are so many denominations cults and strife in the world. People haven’t died to themselves, their views and opinions and doctrines. Jesus said “ I will keep Him in PERFECT PEACE whose mind is stayed on Me”. Where there is no peace is due to not focusing on Him and resting in absolute assurance of His will in your life and the world. For myself, It is “ When I am weak then He is strong”. He is faithful and most assuredly, all things have worked together for my eternal good. Through all the loses, pain, trials, oppositions, fire, sorting :through it all I thank Him . I asked for wisdom, the price was high but well worth it. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. I wish for all , through His great sovereignty and mercy, to have that treasure. witness | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 563 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
I never said that I had sorcery based dreams. I don't think all my dreams are from God necessarily but I'm not aware of any that are sorcery based. And you are off on the vision thing too. I said I heard a voice. Such a voice also told me I was going to have a car accident and that I needed to slow down NOW! I went around a curve to a place that I could not have seen when I heard the voice and BAMMMMM!!!! The person had pulled off very slowly and looking for something in her purse since she thought it was clear onto a very busy street where the speed limit was 55 mph. I would have probably flipped her car over had I not slowed down and who knows what have happened. But that was not the end of the coincidence or unique thing. Although I was about 20 miles from home - I knew the person that was hit. I think I call that divine intervention. On the voice that you are referring to as a dream. I said my response was I thought that couldn't be or something like that. If I called it a vision I was incorrect but I think I said it was a voice. I realize my posting of things when I originally posted that are foggy because I did indeed feel like I was in a haze and that is when I started to feel down. But unlike someone, possibly no no has indicated before - I don't think that it is punishment from God but an attack by satan. I just don't think that God would attack me about my past (which is probably no worse than yours, no no and I know no worse than many, many people) do you? Just to set the record straight. Thank the Lord that I am not the only one that hears a voice or gets an impression on occasion. I heard a pastor recently say that he kept hearing a voice about a certain location. And it wouldn't go away. So finally he calls someone up and it was indeed God prompting him to do something. But I suppose there are true words and there are false words and I know that any words that are God's will stand and those that are satan's seed will fall. And I can live with that. And that's more than needs to be said about that - I could really care less what you think about me but I don't want people to think that God cannot work through dreams, visions, etc. | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 429 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
no no, Are you saying that you are the victim in all of this? The only sorcery present comes from you. Notice how you work... you want Christians to flood network sponsors with complaints. Satan knows this only causes Christians to be hated even more and he know that "they" will know us by our "love"... so you keep things disrupted. But, God has me to say that what is happening in our world is spiritual and its because God is disciplining His people! We know that when God disciplines us that means He loves us and count us as His. This isn't to lesson what is happening, it is to reveal why. But you call me dark and that I am a Jezebel. It's like Franklin who accuses me of being an idolater, but I just read he uses the idolater accusation to anyone who prevents him from freely slandering ministers. Which brings this back to the outpouring of immorality back to this being a spiritual matter and for those who belong to God to begin to understand the realness of how God works. God has called us to be a righteous people. You cannot even understand the concept of righteousness, or "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", or forgiveness" because these things take "faith". Your faith is not genuine. You are the one who works in "sorcery". Not me, not grace, not mercy me, newlife, julia or wings. Each of these women have revealed the Holy Spirit and His gifts in their lives. They may not understand everything but neither did Jesus' disciples at first. They are learning, just as Jesus' disciples had to learn. To you all of us are foolish, and you want to owe our ability to withstand your words of witchcraft against us as sorcery. You view the Holy Spirit's protection against you as sorcery because you could never control or destroy Carman. So now you're going after anyone you think is part of his ministry. Grace, please forgive me for butting into your life, but I just want to tell you to take heart in your part in all of this because we know "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty." Grace, you are part of what God is doing. So if you feel foolish and embarrassed it may be because your intelligence says all of this is foolish. You don't want to be a part of this any longer, yet here you are, here we all are and its because God wanted it this way. I care about you and since I read your posts last night I've been concerned for you because you're here after things I've posted elsewhere on factnet. Just to make something clear to you in case this has been troubling you when I wrote about someone taking medication for chemical imbalance. I was referring to someone close to me who had gone through so much in her life that caused this to happen. She loves the Lord with all her heart, mind, and strength but there were times that before she was treated that it would have been impossible to believe this. This may have nothing to do with what you are going through at the moment, but I just had to make certain you knew this. One thing in writing this that I was shown is that Satan goes after our minds, he goes after our "hearts" and our physical strength to destroy with.... either us or those around us. It is our faith in Jesus Christ that "protects" us from the worse that Satan has planned for us and brings us through safely living out eternity with Christ. Whatever scars we get here it is for this single purpose that Satan wants is to keep us from spending eternity with Jesus. | ||
| witness4god New member Username: witness4god Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.120.179.79 |
Grace: Phillipians 3:Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but [this] one thing [I do], forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Stop looking back and look forward! Also, cast your cares upon HIM for He cares for you! Witness | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 564 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
HFL, I and even my doctor had come to the conclusion that any imbalance was temporary and brought on by stress. But I am convinced more than anything that the stress is related to a lack of faith on my part. This is not to say that I don't love God. I believe that he can save me from eternal death but I don't trust him with the little things in my life. I haven't fully trusted him with my future because I want to second guess him and I haven't completely been able to shed my past which is really not that terribly bad comparatively. I could have been better and I could have been a lot worse. My parents were pretty much thrilled to have me as a child. So no - I'm not offended but also please do not be offended if I don't jump in on your discussion with Franklin and Rachel. What you are teaching about faith is something I personally need to hear and obviously lack from my own posts but is the answer hiding this and pretending that I'm all that? I don't think so. I will say this and this is all. Rachel's mother died because she did not believe in going to a doctor for healing. I believe God can heal through doctors and miraculously. Rachel's hurt and Franklin's support for her is based on this. Although, I agree with your message of faith and miracles, I think God is just calling me to have compassion for Rachel and her hurt regarding her mother's death. I will just stay out of those conversations because I don't feel like God is calling me to get involved but I love you all. Thank you witness! Yes, I need to remember all of these things. | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 430 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
grace, I was up late last night trying to write something encouraging to you. I had asked you if what you were going through was "the testing of your faith" and now from what you've written this could be what is happening to you. "Because you know the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything." (James 1:3,4) God has been doing this in my life and it has been so painful. But, I know this is why this happens because I'm learning "perseverance" and my faith is being matured and completed. I'm not "all that" yet, God still is developing my faith. I never expected you to get involved with what I wrote to rachel or franklin. I was only concerned by your posting on these threads and bringing up them and sounding so discouraged so I wondered if it had something to do with what I had posted to them. I definitely did not expect you to take sides with me. I have never expected anyone to do this. The only reason I mentioned you, mercy me, wings and newlife was because of the way the Holy Spirit is working in your lives. I in no way believe that they agree with me. I am more surprised when someone does agree with me than when they don't. I'm just grateful when they don't get angry with me and call me names too. The reason God had me to write a post to rachel was because she was using the emotional charge of her mother to make a statement that "faith healing" was a dangerous teaching. We were told by Jesus that we would do greater things than Him, but our "generation" hasn't reached this point yet because of the "lack" of faith among us and the division. God cannot bestow this on us without correcting what we, the entire body of believers, are doing wrong. This is why God said there must be a spiritual renewal to take place. God has me to post what I post so that He can use these things to teach the body of Christ what is true in the midst of confusion so that we will no longer falter in faith. | ||
| mercy_me Member Username: mercy_me Post Number: 91 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 206.228.128.9 |
Grace; I am sorry if I sounded insensitive. I was just trying to be strong for you. Because if anyone understands what you are going through it is me. But the dreams and visions hold onto and pray for interpretation. Because I believe God is trying to tell you something, warn you or warn others. He has been speaking quite a lot to people lately through dreams and visions. Which is really exciting!! I want to share a dream that God gave me a while back. I was deep in prayer with God and he showed me as clear as if I was watching T.V. I was in a beautiful place. I was in a river, creek or stream (whatever) and there was a waterfall behind me. Jesus was with me and he was Baptizing me and when he rose me up out of the water I was white, shinny and brand new. I was on his right side and on his left side was a beautiful shinny suite of armor It looked like someone was in it but I couldn't see any face. But I knew that it was a King or a Prince it was so awesome it took my breath. Then Jesus took my hand and he took the hand of whomever was in the suite of armor. And I remember flinching as he was placing my hand in this Kings hand afraid of being hurt. But when he took my hand it was strong and kind and loving. Then Jesus turned into a dove and flew under our hands and ascended up into heaven. I am still not 100% sure of the interpretation of this dream. First I thought it was about my future husband but I am not sure it isn't Jesus just wanting me to step into the high call that he has for my life. To be the King (Queen) that he created me to be. To step into his fullness or greatness. No matter what I know that I will totally understand when the time is right. Just like you will and others. But I share this dream as to hope to encourage because I think that God is calling us to step into his fullness to be all that he has created us to be and not be afraid. God is really doing a lot of talking through dreams and visions so hold onto them. But you know if Satan is attacking you as hard as he is he knows what a great impact you are going to have on the Kingdom of God so just laugh at him and sing, "I've got a new attitude". Satan has been attacking me left and right and you know what actually I have turned it for good to look at it as confirmation that I am heading in the right direction....... (hallelujah, thank you Jesus!) God Bless you and stay strong and know that you are loved my friend! (Message edited by mercy_me on January 06, 2007) | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 565 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
HFL, I knew that is exactly where you were coming from and I cannot disagree at all. But that's because I have had the opportunity to get to know you and your heart. If it makes you feel any better Franklin at our closest moments does the idolatry bit to me but I have decided to take this as his concern for me and even if I don't agree with it, take it as a warning not to put anyone before God, and appreciate Frankln for some of the qualities that I really like in him. His willingness to forgive. Sure I'm irritated by other things about him but I can guarantee you that I irritate him too!  I'm not saying this last part in response to hfl's post but as an opportunity to edify Franklin. Mercy Me, You have never, ever, ever, seemed insensitive to me. I ALWAYS see the love of Christ in your posts! I love your dream and I think you are spot on in your interpretation. My dreams have been not so good lately but that is related to the faith issue that HFL talks about and it also has to do with dealing with unfinished business - things that satan wants to attack me with. But I have had dreams like yours (well again, it was a situation where I was asleep) where I kept hearing a voice tell me "I love you" over and over again. Once I got over the thought that I was dreaming about someone (which didn't take long) - I quickly realized that this was the voice of God talking to me. An interesting note though - I have had two dreams in which angels have appeared in the last year. One was a warning dream about me moving to "level 3" whatever that referred to. And another was a dream in which an angel followed me wanting me to take another route I think as I was focused on taking care of an issue (again more unresolved business). Wingsy, You are something else! I love how you never let anyone get you down! | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 566 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Your dream also reminds me of C.S. Lewis' Last Battle when they enter into a new dimension and come across a beautiful waterfall. | ||
| mercy_me Member Username: mercy_me Post Number: 92 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 206.228.128.9 |
Grace; That is really interesting thank you for sharing. Tell me more about C.S. Lewis' Last Battle or tell me where to go to read up on this. I am very interested... You know that dream you had about moving to level 3 that is interesting. One night a while back I was watching TBN and Dr. Mark Chironna and a panel of different Pastors were talking about the different levels in our walk with the LORD. And one drew a diagram and he said a lot of people never make it to their promised land because the level right before the promise land is so hard that they want to turn back to Egypt and stay where it is comfortable instead of pressing in and on to get to their promised land. And they usually give up right before God brings it to pass. Those are not the exact terms or words that were said but you get the jest of what I am trying to say?? So don't give up and not reach your promised land. HFL, the reason I don't agree or follow up on your posts are because I know when God has a word for you to give to someone. Sometimes it takes away from what God is trying to do so I don't say anything. At one time I didn't understand what you were doing. It didn't make sense to me, I thought you were being cold and aloof. But God showed me what you were doing and I knew the best way to help you was to not get in the way. I even got confused in here about what you were doing. But you allowed me to see your heart and I know that you are a woman after God's own heart. God has laid on my heart, that sometimes talking to much in here is not fruitful (for me). Sometimes being still, listening and learning speaking only what he lays on my heart is more fruitful than getting caught up in conversation. Because as you said once before, which I know that I know is soooooo very true. Nothing is as it seems in here. You can get very messed up in here very quickly if you are not careful. So I need to stick with what God lays on my heart and not get caught up in or entangleth myself with the affairs of this life so that I may please him who hath chosen me to be a soldier. (2Timothy 2:4) Consider what I say; and the Lord will give you understanding in all things. Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sake, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Je'sus with eternal glory, (2Timothy 2:7 & 10) This is what God has shown me or how he explained to me what is happening in here on Carman's threads listen and see if you see anything that sounds familiar in here on factnet. Listen to this: 2 Timothy 3:1---- This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; NOW LISTEN TO THIS: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away, for of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. I know there will be someone who will attack me on this. I am not pointing the finger at no one because if I did the finger would come back to me as well. But I would like to encourage everyone to read 2 Timothy and see if that is not what is going on in here!! And maybe we can all lay our weapons down and not be angry with each other but with who is the leader of all this and that is satan... Well Goodnight and God Bless! | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 4752 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.4.117.127 |
uh, excuse me hfl,but Rachel's mother believed in faith healing, which I and Rachel believe in God's healing power too. But Rachel's mother refused to go to back to the doctor after she was diagnosed with breast cancer and receive treatment. Relying on faith alone. The cancer spread and she died a horrible death. You, hfl, claimed that Rachel was responsible for her mother's death because she had unbelief and that was a reckless, insensitive charge. | ||
| smyrna Senior Member Username: smyrna Post Number: 1343 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 66.157.43.229 |
Hey Frankie, Why are you here? You have unfinished business at the SC threads. Haven't you dug up that evidence that "serpent seeder women use the Factnet site to pick up men"? How about your very Christian post that alludes to another Factnet participant having male on male sex with an Orangutan? Don't bother these folks, Frankie, until you finish what you started at the other threads. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 4753 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.4.117.127 |
Why are you stalking me?????? I said before "Get behind me satan!" My business with you IS finished. You are finished serpent seeder! | ||
| smyrna Senior Member Username: smyrna Post Number: 1345 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 66.157.43.229 |
If you wish to claim it is finished, then so be it. But your refusal to offer evidence in support of your accusations certainly damages your credibility, not mine. I'll just add it to the voluminous material that proves you are a liar and a hypocrite. Anyone who listens to this clown is just as foolish as he is. So have a good time! | ||
| smyrna Senior Member Username: smyrna Post Number: 1346 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 66.157.43.229 |
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/27583.html?1168136713 This will take you to the thread where your holy roller Franklin insinuates that his opponent has male on male sex with an Orangutan. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 4754 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.4.117.127 |
ihs is a friend. He insinuated that I was vaguely gay. I teased him back like I had done before about his pet orangutan named "Clyde". You on the other hand accuse Adam of having a homosexual sexual act with satan and Eve of having sex with demons and snakes. Let God decide who is an abomination of God! | ||
| preachers_daughter Intermediate Member Username: preachers_daughter Post Number: 328 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 76.181.123.114 |
Smyrna, do you have the hots for franklin?  If you do, it's ok. We know that you believe that Adam and satan had sex with each other in the garden, so maybe that's your cup of tea.  You do seem to be following him everywhere he goes.  | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 567 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006447108X Ch 16 - Farewell to Shadowlands ...flashing like diamonds in some places and dark, glassy green in others, the Great Waterfall; and already the thunder of it was in their ears . . .they all found they were swimming straight for the Waterfall itself. [Jill] saw something white moving steadily up the face of the Waterfall. That white thing was the Unicorn. You couldn't tell whether he was swimming or climbing, but he moved on higher and higher . . . but before Jill had time to notice all of these things fully, she was going up the Waterfall herself. [Notice C.S. Lewis insists on capitalizing the Waterfall.] It was the sort of thing that would have been quite impossible in our world [story of the rich young man - with man it is impossible but with God all things are possible]...And then at last they came to the lovely, smooth green curve in which the water poured over the top and found that one was out on the level river about the Waterfall. The current was racing away behind you . . .[So they continue on and on further up and further in] . . .that was because they found themselves facing great gold gates . . .and the gates swung open. . . Welcome, in the Lion's name. Come further up and further in. . . and the very first person whom Asland called to him was Puzzle the Donkey. . . [Aslan] "You do not yet look so happy as I mean you to be." Lucy said, "We're so afraid of being sent away, Aslan. And you have sent us back into our own world so often." [Aslan] "No fear of that. . .Have you not guessed? . . . the term is over: the holidays have begun. the dream is ended: this is the morning." Not exactly the same story but similar symbols and a similar context. I have a bad chonic cough and some congestion (mold related no doubt) and would like to feel better. Pray for me if you will. | ||
| mercy_me Member Username: mercy_me Post Number: 93 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 206.228.128.9 |
Thank you Grace!! And yes I would be glad to pray for you. Heavenly Father I come humbly before your throne asking for you to heal my sister Grace from the crown of her head to the soles of her feet in Jesus Name AMEN!! God Bless You! | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 576 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Thanks! I am feeling better . . . just a tinge of a headache left. God Bless! | ||
| wingsaglow Advanced Member Username: wingsaglow Post Number: 542 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.38.210.78 |
Father please heal our sister grace2u 100% whole. Thank you already for the healing and that you sent your son that bore the stripes, and the pain. So that we can be born again and healed by your son who died for us all at Calvary. May God bless and heal you whole grace2u Wingsy | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 432 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
This is what God told me mercy me's dream meant.... God said the woman standing in the stream/river is the church and the church is being washed with water through the word... It is Jesus Christ who is doing it. Jesus Christ is the Armour of God and even though He has come dressed as a warrior to her, this is how He will prepare her and make her ready for Him. We are afraid of Jesus being this way, but He is strong, kind and loving. The dove is the Holy Spirit and just as it descended on Jesus as He was baptised to show God's approval, it does so now... | ||
| julia Intermediate Member Username: julia Post Number: 188 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 61.68.109.161 |
The woman standing in the river could also be the person who is having the dream and the water is God's will and how much she is in it. | ||
| julia Intermediate Member Username: julia Post Number: 189 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 61.68.109.161 |
Proper dream interpretation depends upon the perception and view of the dreamer, it is not only a one sided observation. To have a spot on interpretation one must understand associations of the dreamer and their perception and interpretation of a thing or place. | ||
| mercy_me Member Username: mercy_me Post Number: 94 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 206.228.128.9 |
Thank you HFL and Julia, I have a big check in my spirit on what you have revealed to me... God has told me time and time again those exact words to wash yourself with the word. To take this time to prepare to be ready. To not be like the 5 virgins who missed him when he came. I believe he is our bridegroom our Knight in shinning armour who is loving and gentle and so very kind. And the dove being the Holy Spirit, yes I believe this is so. And Julia, yes I believe it is about the will of God and how much I am in it... Thank you both.. May God Bless you |
