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     pelfdaddy New member Username: pelfdaddy Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 166.214.49.31 |
Tomorrow is the official anniversary date for our escape from NTCC. We feel wonderful, life is getting better all the time, the freedom is exhilerating, and we could not be more pleased. Please do not send cards or flowers; just remember the Pelfreys tomorrow and be thankful. | ||
| victorjohanson Advanced Member Username: victorjohanson Post Number: 584 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 216.67.3.239 |
Stay encouraged, bro; it gets even better. Eleven years and counting... Vic Johanson | ||
| pelfdaddy New member Username: pelfdaddy Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 166.217.111.12 |
To paraphrase Pop Gaylord, In another fourteen years I will be able to say that I served God for as long as I served ntcc. | ||
| ambovee78 Junior Member Username: ambovee78 Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.24.116.8 |
Happy Anniversary. I've been out since the last week of Sept 2005 (we moved due to hubbies job and didn't tell anyone until after the fact). Life is slowly returning to what I consider normal. You know I was only there for 2 1/2 years and I am still having a hard time adjusting to being out. I still don't have alot of trust in people until I've got to know them well and even then I am reserved as to how much I tell them. | ||
| ruger71 Junior Member Username: ruger71 Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 74.194.114.31 |
When I was in ntcc i heard alot of storys about Pop Gaylord, pelfdaddy could you tell me what you know about pop | ||
| pelfdaddy Junior Member Username: pelfdaddy Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 166.214.113.68 |
I would gladly do so, but others are more qualified and would provide more information. | ||
| leftin1992 New member Username: leftin1992 Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 66.69.110.187 |
pelfd, Congratulations! (I think?!) I actually left after a PCS from Ft. Kobbe, Panama to Ft. Campbell, KY. After all these years, I do not regret leaving. I am just now able to share and open up after all these years keeping this "bottled up." In a nutshell, why did you leave ntcc? If you already answered somewhere in this site or on the web, pls direct me to that link. i am fascinated reading your entries. leftin1992 | ||
| leftin1991 Intermediate Member Username: leftin1991 Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 63.25.126.100 |
hi left -- Congrats on opening up! Always nice seeing new people post. Wonder if I might know you? Would be happy to chat: tracts@juno.com | ||
| leftin1992 New member Username: leftin1992 Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 66.69.110.187 |
leftin1991, did you get my email? ddd | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 137 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
Congrats | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 343 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.29.201 |
thanks for the congrats. What is really nice...is to see my daughters blossom through all of this. They have opened up to us and shared what has been in their heart about this org. through the years. Their initial reaction was difficult because they "knew" they would probably lose all of their friends. Why did they think that? It's for the same reasons that your own children think the same way...but they wouldn't dare tell you...because they know if they show any signs of not being in agreement with the "org"...that you might very well haul them in "before Pastor". It has been wonderful this past year...to bond as a family in a way we never could before. Now...they see that we can follow Jesus...without having to go through a "priest" first. They are experiencing so much and now...I can see their individual personalities...really taking shape. They've shared a lot about what has gone on "behind the scenes" in the homes of those who are in "leadership"...when they were there either in a capacity to babysit or to help the "women of God" do their daily chores and it was something they never shared with us and yet it bothered them...because some people portrayed themselves to be one thing in public and they were quite another outside of the "building". The youth of NTCC...especially between the years of 10 and 16-18...are really kind of lost. They get out of children's church at 10 and go into the "big church". They just seem to become part of the scenery. And, they quickly begin to mimic what they see...which is..."young ladies" primping themselves...so as to attract the attention of some young preacher boy...who will rescue them from a life of "work". Some of these young girls...have no identity at all. They all feel the pressure to "say" they want to go to Bible college and marry a preacher boy. The "hope-chest" craze...adds to this "desire". Young girls...who haven't been allowed to be girls...have been stunted in their "girl growth". Their parents and other well-intentioned (cough)"women of God" give these young girls "hope chest" items for their birthdays and Christmas...when they are as young as 9 and 10. They receive crystal bowls and plates instead of jump ropes and board games. It's one thing to do that for a young girl...but when it is a whole "culture"...then you have to examine the motives behind it. It's all part of pushing these girls in a certain direction and then making "love connections" when they are in the 14-16 yr range. There is nothing biblical about it...they are just breeding loyal subjects. It's sad and pathetic and disgusting. I'm so grateful to the Lord each day for telling us to get out...and I am thankful to my husband for obeying His voice. I hope you can know the true freedom that Christ has in store for you as you make your way out of the bondage and MAN-MADE DOCTRINES OF NTCC. But, I genuinely hope you will allow your sons and daughters the chance to talk to you honestly and candidly. I don't think they will though...because most likely they don't want to cause a problem for you...or be cut off from you. You need to flee that place folks...before it is too late for you and your family. | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 344 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.29.201 |
In pouring myself a nice cup of coffee after my post above. Several things came to mind...one was...how that you have to haul all of that "hope chest" stuff around the country with you...and with two girls...it was doubly obnoxious. Here you are trying to make choices about what to bring...so that you can cut down the cost of the move. You know...try to fit it all in the van...but between class notes...and hope chest stuff... ...it's crazy! And...the girls don't want to get rid of these things because..."sis so&so gave them this...and sis such&such gave them that..." When does it end? They not only have a certain lifestyle shove down their throat...but another disturbing thing is this: Many parents...fathers and mothers alike...seem to view their young girls and boys as a commidity. Many of the parents of young girls have rocked my world when I would hear them speak of jockeying their daughter for a spot...to be the new Sister Kekel. "If you want to marry Grant...then you'll have to learn to make a pie like his mom." If you want to marry Grant, then you'll have to learn how to clean a house like his mom". And it goes on and on... There is this "pool" of young girls and a "pool" of young preacher boys...and Davis and the women in his "inner circle"...do all they can to match them up. Please don't let your sons and daughters fall into this miserable life. They will despise you for going along with it. Trust me. They may or may not tell you that now...but why wait until it is too late? I would say those in Graham have it the worst...because they are drowning in the cult life. Don't just take my word on the fact that you are in a cult. Read...do research. See what happens to these young men and women. I would hate to hear that you had to wake up one day to find that your child has "hit the road" as far away from you and your cult as possible. You will do as you are told and make it out to be that they just "don't want God"...but that is just a mechanism you employ and the organization employs to keep you in "your place" and to keep you from leaving also. These kids aren't rejecting Christ as He really is. They are rejecting your cult and the fact that you have kept your family involved in it and made life miserable for them trying to keep up to Davis' standards...not God's standards. They reject what NTCC has portrayed Christ as to your children. Will you please, please...take the time necessary to keep your children at your side? Please? Wake up out of your stupor and your trance and save your family and save your children. I wish I could get across to you how imperative this is...and how much I desire to see your children well. Jesus has much to say about harming these little ones. Don't be an accomplice in your child's demise. I say this from my heart. Anyone who knows me...knows that I care so much about what happens to these kids and how they are treated in "Jesus' name". Tracy | ||
| biblegirl1999 Intermediate Member Username: biblegirl1999 Post Number: 149 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 217.224.10.115 |
Tracy~ What are your thoughts on a young woman having a dowry? Do you think it's old fashioned for them to even have one of those? Just asking. I think the hope chest idea is a wonderful thing. I have many friends who have one and are now in their 20's. Some will marry this year, some maybe next but at least they have things to begin their new life together once they marry. Many items belonging to their grandmothers and great grandmothers such as table cloths, draperies, sheets, quilts is such a blessing to have when beginning a new life together. It sure beats going into debt in the first few weeks of marriage because neither person has nothing to bring into a home. I know if the Lord ever blesses me and DH with daughters we plan on giving them a hope chest to help fill through out the years and we may even have a dowry set aside for them. Also, Tracy, I know you have young ladies now as daughters and was wondering your thoughts on this subject. Are you allowing them to "date" or do you and your DH believe in courtship? Just wondering.  | ||
| pelfdaddy Member Username: pelfdaddy Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 166.214.205.238 |
leftin1992 The balloon of disgust began to inflate in the beginning. I attended ntcc because I realized instinctively that they would drive a wedge in the middle of our marriage if I did not "get in" as had my wife. This was quite subconscious, and I am certainly open to criticism for this piece of reflection. Having been a Christian for but two years, possessed of zeal without experience, I relished the idea of being part of the movement that God was using to spearhead true Christian dedication in these times. Therefore I learned very early to shut out all questions and doubts, and to justify systematically all of the faults and abusive behaviors I began to see taking place. My wife and I both bought in to the typical cult-style mentality that we must even police one another in the event of disloyalty to--or disagreement with--the Man of God. So, to continue with the balloon metaphor, the membrane of credulity was thickening and strengthening, while the fresh air of truth was filling the volume and stretching the membrane to high tension. When RW Davis maintained from the pulpit that the thief on the cross went to hell, I stopped strengthening the membrane of credulity, and began to realize that it was possible for the Man of God to be dead wrong. The membrane was weakened further when I began to realize that specific Church members who had been abused by their pastor had long experience with ntcc, and had never known pastoral behavior to be different. Into the now-at-the-bursting-point membrane was added a voluminous injection of truth when I realized the following: Hundreds of people at all levels of ntcc have been personally abused, coerced or otherwise hurt by ntcc pastors, and they all think the same things, which are: 1) It only happened to me and maybe a couple other people 2) It was just that one pastor 3) The rest of the organization is not that way. I realized the entire group is in fact "that way". The pinprick came at two AM on 12-26-05, when it struck me that our holiness doctrines were unprovable, yet we were setting them up as the very standard that defined us and justified our existence. These standards were used to make individuals fearful of the impossibility of leaving ntcc without suffering for Eternity. This feeling of entrapment caused people to willingly subject themselves to pastoral abuse and overreaching authority. Most of my opinions have developed since that time, since time and distance provide greater objectivity. | ||
| leftin1991 Intermediate Member Username: leftin1991 Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 63.25.104.155 |
leftin1992 - no, I did not receive it. Maybe my spam blocker caught it. Try ozark64@juno.com, please. Thanks. | ||
| imalright Member Username: imalright Post Number: 72 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.179.177.102 |
Tracy, what planet are you on? Reading your posts above, you seem kind of out there on pluto somewhere. Here it is most parents are just praying their kids don't turn out gay and your going on and on about people that want their kids to marry decent human beings. What gives? | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 345 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.25.106 |
Again...imalright...(you are at least consistent)...you MISSED THE WHOLE POINT? You have got to be doing this on purpose. I cannot believe you don't grasp the point in context. Please...tell me that you are quite kidding? Please? To answer your earlier questions: I've actually never given any thought on a young girl having a dowry? Why do you ask? why is it pertinent to this conversation? I mean...are you asking because it somehow ties in with everything? As far as a hope chest...yeah...great idea. Whatever! Hopefully...you understood what I was saying in that whole scenario? I do not allow my daughters to be in situations where they will meet young me to date. Young people have enough going on with school, etc...and especially my girls...starting life out again and making new friends after being shunned by many...if not most...of their old friends (many as a result of their parents being freaked out by the leadership of NTCC concerning our departure...and not allowing my daughters to speak with their daughters)...(no brainwashing or control going on here...nothing to see...just keep moving along). Fortunately...many of their old friends have parents who have since left the organization also...and I'm sure there will be more to come. We will welcome them when they do and will not hold their behavior against them. So...we do not let our daughters...just go out with some dude all by their lonesome. They are not put in that sort of situation anyway...thereby not making it difficult for them. We were all teenagers once...even though for some of us...it was quite some time ago...and so...right now...they don't need the extra, added confusion of boys...for crying out loud...they sure don't...and instead they are enjoying their teenage girlfriends and the time they now have to get acquainted with their extended family...cousins, etc. They are pretty level-headed. I'm quite proud of them and how they've come through all of this. Does that answer your questions? Also...as far as courting...can you define your idea of courting? Thanks, tracy | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 346 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.154.160 |
My husband called me this morning to clue me in to the fact that my post above is confusing as to which lady I am addressing my post to. The HOPE CHEST and DOWRY comments are directed to Biblegirl. The beginning comments are meant for Imalright...which is in response to her post #72. It's not a good idea to do these "drive-thru" posts. Sometimes I sit here at my desk doing work and I will "look in" at Factnet. I see something written and want to respond...but I usually don't give myself enough time to look and see that I've directed my emails to the correct "party". {person}. Thanks...hope that made it all clear as dirt. Tracy | ||
| imalright Member Username: imalright Post Number: 73 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.179.177.102 |
Tracy, it's me... Imalright this time. I definitely see your point. Why is it that when people disagree with you, you jump on the defensive by saying they miss your point? I get it. I just do not agree with it. DO-YOU-FINALLY-UNDERSTAND-WHAT-AM-SAYING? I just want to say that I can appreciate what you went through in your experiences while attending NTCC. It's just that your experiences weren't everyone's experience. You said that you hung around people that made a big fuss over courting. These are the people that YOU hung around. You chose to be friends with these types of people. There are many different kinds of people attending NTCC. And alot of them aren't busy running around trying to set their 13, 14, or 15 year olds up with bible school students. Tracy, maybe you just attracted the wrong types of friends. You just cannot say that everyone at NTCC is like this or like that. That is why I got on this thread and asked you because you tend to try to make your experience everyone else's. If this were not true, then why are you trying to warn everyone of these behavior's. I should hope that a grown woman would have enough sense in raising her own child to know what is right and wrong. Tracy, why did you allow certain sisters to behave this way around your daughters? Where is your backbone? No one is going to steer my kids in a direction that I do not see fit because it is my job to raise them, not anyone elses. I'm sorry if you felt like you had no say in how you raised your children while attending NTCC. I'm glad you guys are now a closer family. Whatever church I go to, my family will always come first because I make that decision and nobody else. You are probably going to say I missed your point again. I'll save you the typing: Imalright, once again you totally missed the point. I do not know if you are doing this on purpose or not... and so on. Keep drinking that coffee Tracy. It's supposed to keep the mind sharp. | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 347 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 69.208.8.238 |
Sorry Imalright... my fuss isn't over my own experiences...it is over what is pervasive in the organization. Who did I hang out with? Sis Olson, Butler, Kekel, Conner, Ripka, Tieman, Infausto...get the point? I actually..."hung out"...with everyone. If you speak to people who know me...I was not a "clique chick" {I'm still not!}. I have a 17 year history with this organization...and most of that...while in the "ministry". So...before you jump the gun...and go off on the "only who I hung out with stuff"...I was friends with most everyone. Those out in the field...those that were "just church members" and those in Graham. I speak publicly...because anyone who knows me and my husband knows that we are not the kind of folks who are particular about our friends...and because of our range of experience in the ministry...in Servicemen's works...(as church members)...in Children's Church...teaching in the Bible College...helping the "men and women of God" {we are all men and women of God...by the way!}...I think my viewpoint is more well-rounded. How about yours? I didn't say that everyone in NtCC is like this. YOu cannot find that. I'm talking about it being run by a founder who is not what he claims to be and has based this organization on his own man-made beliefs...he has taught them to others and they have in turn...taught them to others. You have a lot of nerve reprimanding me...when you don't know the particular circumstances. If you'd like to know...and then make a rational response...I'd be glad to share it with you. But, we are talking about the nature of a cult here. I am drinking coffee right now. It may not keep my mind sharp...but it keeps it from having a headache. Ciao! | ||
| imalright Member Username: imalright Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.179.177.102 |
"I was friends with most every one" So is this why you're upset? Because everyone of your friends gave your daughters something for their hope chest? I do not get it. What was up with your original post? Why did you have this attitude about someone giving your daughter a gift? Just wondering. | ||
| imalright Member Username: imalright Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.179.177.102 |
As far as your headache, I totally can relate. My mom suffers from caffiene headaches as well and I remember as a little girl having to get up in the mornings and making her a pot before I went to school. Sincerely, my heart goes out to you. | ||
| imalright Member Username: imalright Post Number: 78 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.179.177.102 |
BTW, you said I have a lot of nerve reprimanding you. When did I do this? All I did was ask questions. You are the one putting all your business on these threads. If someone is curious about a statement you make, can they not ask you what you mean? Don't be so touchy. | ||
| imalright Member Username: imalright Post Number: 79 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.179.177.102 |
Tracy, you go ahead and say whatever you need to say about whatever, ok? I will not ask you anything else or ask what you mean about whatever. It is obvious that you do not like questions and I will just have to remain curious about what you say on here. Didn't mean for you to take it in a negative way like you did. I love you and you are always in my prayers. | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 211 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 195.93.60.134 |
TITLE: “Happy Anniversary” (Albeit belated…) We are only too glad to add our sentiments to those above…Happy one year anniversary to Sister Tracy and Brother Brian; may they have very many more. As a couple they have gone a long way in a short time and are truly an excellent example for the Body of Christ. Modeling, in a practical sense, much that is contained in God's New Testament Law. greg_s (exntcctextbook@yahoo.com) | ||
| jayshawn New member Username: jayshawn Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 211.179.30.67 |
Thankfully I've been away from NTCC for 5+ years which I can say is more than the time I spent in NTCC!!! My life is much better now thanks to leaving that place!!! WOW time flys when you don't think about it, I can't believe it's been so long since those days. | ||
| ctyankee New member Username: ctyankee Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.35.188.240 |
I want to publicly congratulate Brian & Tracy on their first anniversary of freedom. Having known them for years I can honestly say that they are two of the finest Christians I have ever met. I know it hasn't been easy to adjust, but now you have the freedom to worship God and raise your kids the way you feel best. God Bless. | ||
| tracy_pelfrey New member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.21.2 |
I'm not really sure where anyone got the idea that it is our One Year Anniversary. To be precise: it is out one year and almost 4-month anniversary. Every month makes a difference. i know it is the Waltermire's one year anniversary. They should be congratulated also. And, to those who have recently left New Testament Christian Church...and those who are yet to leave... I congratulate you too. It won't be long and you'll be celebrating anniversaries also. Take it a day at a time. | ||
| tracy_pelfrey New member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.21.2 |
I see that this thread was started on our anniversary. Some are just responding now. thanks for the congrats! But, I'm happy to say it is now over one year. Our family...all four of us...escaped as a "unit". I can't tell you how thrilling that is. I know others have escaped with their families together also. I am personally so thrilled for you also. At the one year mark, your family will also see how much better and healthier things have become in your lives...spiritually. Praise the Lord for His Mercy! | ||
| ctyankee New member Username: ctyankee Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.35.188.240 |
Boy do I feel stupid. I didn't notice that pelfdaddy posted that anniversary note in December. Well, it was my first post, and I was as nervous as a new bible school student who forgot to bring his notes to pastor's class! | ||
| tracy_pelfrey New member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.25.249 |
I'll let you go. You don't have to meet the Board...THIS TIME! I accept the congrats though...no matter when I receive them. It's been an awesome journey since our departure. Abosolutely blessed and awesome! Tracy | ||
| okiemarine81 New member Username: okiemarine81 Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 68.109.249.99 |
Tracy, what made you feel that you were trapped to the point that you had to "escape"? I left but I certianly did not "escape". | ||
| victorjohanson New member Username: victorjohanson Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.223.233.130 |
"Tracy, what made you feel that you were trapped to the point that you had to "escape"? I left but I certianly did not "escape"." www.ntccxposed.com | ||
| tracy_pelfrey New member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 7 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.32.95 |
Well "Okie"...all I have to say is Ditto to what Vic wrote. If you have to ask the question, then I have to assume you have not looked at all of this in the context of psychological coercion. When you begin to see how that works...then you will see why it is really an "escape"...whether one labels it that way or not. Tracy | ||
| donethat New member Username: donethat Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 68.178.7.221 |
Mark g I think I might know you. I was in Hawaii 79-82. Please let me know if these dates ring a bell. | ||
| mark_g New member Username: mark_g Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.201.122.179 |
donethat... I'm sure I know you if you were there in those years. I never forget a name. I was the first member of the Church there in Hawaii on Illawai street in Wahiawa. Regards, Mark | ||
| donethat New member Username: donethat Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 71.212.72.214 |
mark_g I just found this site and find it very interesting. I was there with you on Illawai st. Please advise how to contact you if possible. | ||
| mark_g New member Username: mark_g Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.201.122.179 |
donethat..... spymaster0012@yahoo.com, or my phone # is on the thread called "things never done or seen in NTCC" when I am addressing the "Reverend" Lesman Contreras. Kindest Regards, Mark | ||
| tinker New member Username: tinker Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 71.85.150.214 |
"donethat" e-mail me, I was also in HI. truetotruth700@yahoo.com | ||
| sogladtobefree New member Username: sogladtobefree Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 70.112.124.190 |
I know it was back in January but I just want to say the "dowry" comment was the most idiotic thing I have ever heard in my life! Of course it is stupid, idiotic, and downright offensive that a woman should have a dowry! You clearly do not understand why there were cultural dowries (since you don't read or understand your bible) so allow me to explain: Back way way back when, when girls got married they no longer had any connection to their families and were completley dependent on their husbands. Their entire welfare was based on a man, so entice a better quality man families would offer dowries so their daughters would not starve to death. (Wait- maybe NTCC girls should have a dowry.) Now, thanks to cultural changes and technological advances, women are treated like people- not livestock. Women are allowed to stay in contact with their families and are not forced to rely on a man to provide for them. The idea of a dowry is offensive to women. If anything, men should have to pay a dowry to us! A "hope chest" is a great idea... as long as it is filled with college pamphlets, medical school brochures, 10K run t-shirts, scholarship details... WOMEN ARE PEOPLE! What is wrong with you "biblegirl"? Do you know how many strong women fought and suffered for you? Do you know how many women through the ages were persecuted for their beauty and intelligence? Do you have any idea how hard our foremothers worked? My grandmother was widowed with ten children in 1963. She worked as a realtor, however in the state she lived women could not be licensed realtors until the late 70s/ early 80s. She slaved 60 or more hours a week at a pittance of a salary, making some man circumventing the law rich, to support her children and get every single one of them through college. And she isn't that uncommon of a story. You are an insult to women like her. Why do you hate women so much? | ||
| biblegirl1999 New member Username: biblegirl1999 Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 217.224.61.38 |
From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh... wow... You have no idea who I am am yet you claim I don't read my Bible...hmmm did you hide a camera in my house to spy on me? Where? I need to go take it down....shame on you for peeping on me! My goodness....relax...take a prayer break. And I don't hate women. If I did, I would have to hate myself. Sorry I am insulting to you. Gosh...are you sure you prayed today? You don't even know me and here you are going on in a feministic rant. I am glad your grandmother worked so hard to get all her children thru college. That is a true blessing...especially since today...many duel income families can't even get one child thru college..so kudos goes out to your grandmother! | ||
| biblegirl1999 New member Username: biblegirl1999 Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 217.224.36.191 |
What's the difference between a dowry and a college fund? Or a dowry and savings bonds? Nothing! What's the difference between giving a store bought wedding gift to the bride and groom and giving a dowry especially for them to begin their new life together? | ||
| sogladtobefree New member Username: sogladtobefree Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 70.112.124.190 |
Did I pray today? Yes- still think you are a pig. Feministic? Please, so typical. Why, because I think women are people? How outrageous of me. I will go burn a bra. Still don't think you read your bible, or maybe you are too dumb to know what it says and that it WASN'T written in modern era. In that case, kudos for reading what you don't understand. And the difference between a dowry and a college fund is about investment. A dowry, you are investing in a man for your daughter. A college fund, you are investing in HER. Any good parent should invest in THEIR kids! NOT BUY THEM A MATE! | ||
| sogladtobefree New member Username: sogladtobefree Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 70.112.124.190 |
and writing in red is obnoxious, not feminine. | ||
| biblegirl1999 New member Username: biblegirl1999 Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 217.224.36.191 |
Wow...you are just a ball of encouragment aren't you? I will pray God gives the "Christ like" attiude you have so I can be just like you! NOT! Honestly, I will be praying for you. The negative attitude thing is not that of Jesus Christ. I do hope things look up for you though. P.S. I didn't know colors had personality and traits all their own...wow, I learn something new every day!  Actually I have been writing in this color since 2005...I got bored seeing black all the time and though I would liven the black and whiteness with red. They know me here by this color. If that offends you...my goodness....I am sorry...LOL. P.S.S. Oink oink! | ||
| sogladtobefree New member Username: sogladtobefree Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 70.112.124.190 |
Offends me? Nah- I really don't care... it is just flaky. Then again, everything about you reaks of flake-dom. Or you are an egomaniac who wants to highlight your words like those of Christ in the bible. Either way, flaky flaky flaky. A ball of encouragement? Yep... I encourage you to treat a daughter like a human being. I encourage you not to pick up archaic behaviors in the name of "old fashioned". Sorry babe, that boat just don't fly. Atrocities can be justified like that... say racism? Witch hunting? Feudalism? Bigamy? How TRADITIONAL! Actually, Christ was not tolerant of ignorance or perversion of faith either, btw... so pray and maybe he will remove that ignorance and indifference. (READ YOUR BIBLE, BIBLEGIRL... ALL KINDS OF GOOD STUFF IN THERE!) Pray for me, so one day I can blaspheme a gift from god as you do. But I am impressed... you didn't call me gay. That is usually where the NTCCers go when you call them out for their ignorance. | ||
| road_captain New member Username: road_captain Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.170.115.170 |
"soglad" your gay!  | ||
| sogladtobefree New member Username: sogladtobefree Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 70.112.124.190 |
Oh, I was waiting for that. Phew... now I feel comfortable! | ||
| road_captain New member Username: road_captain Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.170.115.170 |
Gay just means Jubulen-t, Gubelent, Juu-bu-lan... Happy! Right? | ||
| sogladtobefree New member Username: sogladtobefree Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 70.112.124.190 |
 That was always my understanding. | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 364 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 205.188.117.202 |
TITLE: “Happy Anniversary” (Albeit belated.) We are only too glad to add our sentiments to those above…Happy two year anniversary to Sister Tracy and Brother Brian; may they have very many more. As a couple they have gone a long way in a short time and are truly an excellent example for the Body of Christ. Modeling, in a practical sense, much that is contained in God's New Testament Law. greg_s (exntcctextbook@yahoo.com) |
