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pureheart
Intermediate Member
Username: pureheart
Post Number: 435
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.40.43.90
| | Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 2:08 pm: | 
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I knew about their longstanding argument, but I had never heard them go at it like this before. There in the trees in front of my house the crows and the blue jays were quarreling again. Their war of words and wings had escalated beyond anything I had ever seen.
Then I noticed something I hadn't expected--a pair of huge brown wings making a retreat to a nearby branch. That wasn't a crow! So the commotion wasn't the usual spat between the crows and the blue jays. They had found a common enemy--an owl. Their dislike for each other was lost in a conflict of greater proportions, so they combined forces to meet the threat.
That scene impressed me as being one of nature's striking parallels to a spiritual reality that we as believers in Christ must learn. We have a common enemy, Satan, and he is reason enough to make us forget our differences. That's implied in the fourth chapter of Ephesians, where Paul urged us to put away our personal dislikes, our anger, and our self-centered interests. When we yield to these fleshly impulses, we "give place to the devil" (v.27). And he likes nothing better than to see us fighting with one another--rather than against him.
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I think Satan has had plenty to cheer about lately. We are just a few days from celebrating the miracle of the ages; the birth of our Lord Jesus. Would it be possible for all to call a truce till after Christmas and give our Lord our full attention? |
pureheart
Intermediate Member
Username: pureheart
Post Number: 436
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.40.43.90
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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yeoman
Junior Member
Username: yeoman
Post Number: 45
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.69.137.15
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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Dear PureHeart,
Amen. Merry Christmas, tidings of comfort and joy to y'all! And a very blessed New Year! |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 806
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:37 pm: |
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Hello PureHeart,
I am sorry, but apparently the attackers of HH have such a taste of blood on their tongues that it blinds them to any idea of truce or peace, even temporarily.
They are so blind in their plunge down the spiral of accusations and fabrications that the very thought of peace must be regarded as foolishness. For if it is not, then the primal lust for blood that they feel coursing through their veins must be evil. Of course, they have the Jackals of Watchman Fellowship whispering in their ears, telling them that it is okay to pursue their prey like they do, but as we both know, those whisperings are the very same as the whisperings of Satan in the garden.
No, peace for these people means letting go of the petty little disagreements they have so carefully assembled, nurtured, and worshiped for so long.
They are incapable of doing it.
They are incapable of laying down their idol of victimhood. As such, they MUST continue plunging into the black hole of bitterness and hatred that Watchman Fellowship has lured them into. |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 807
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:41 pm: |
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Well, Yoeman may be the exception. For that I am happy!
I would LOVE for my above post to be proven wrong. I truly don't think that the abusers of HH have it within them to call a truce, but I WILL believe it when I see it.
Who wants to join Yoeman?
ML, do you have the guts?
TH, do you have the guts?
FH, do you have the guts?
If so, show 'em.
(Message edited by dowen on December 19, 2006) |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 761
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 11:53 pm: |
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Hi Folks,
I went out for a bit and was thinking about the Pure_Heart earnest post and bump and I come back and see some real response. Daniel gets to the heart of the problem, Yeoman as often gives us a response of merit.
My view was similar to Daniel. With the posting return of T_H the masks come off, the snakes come out and the 'death covenant' minions are scouring the countryside doing the Herodian bidding. The baby Jesus had to be spirited away unto the land of Egypt to be safe from the murderous rage. Similarly He is so hard to find on this forum when the gang of four trample through Bethlehem and all the coasts thereof.
Nonetheless if they will go back to quarters and sip some herb tea and spelt crumpets I would be most honored to not expose their military maneuvers. Let them forgo for a season their search-and-destroy mission and I for one would be happy to forgo my mini-watchman position on the wall. The mournful dirge will cease from Rama and rejoicing shall return !
Even if they are still Herodians after the week, even if there is no cleansing and repentance, even if, sadly, they return to slathering the d.c. blasphemy later .. if they would seek to receive the rest and refreshing, to find a place of warmth and peace in the Messiah of Israel, I would be happy to try to be most quiescent and peaceable with all the folks here for the season.
May the Lord Jesus Christ be lifted up !
He must increase, but I must decrease. (John 3:30)
Shalom,
Praxaluh
(Message edited by praxaluh on December 20, 2006) |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 763
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 9:37 am: |
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Not all of the Herodian thugs were the helmeted men trampling the Bethlehem fields and wresting the infants away from their mothers in murderous rage.
There would also be some at a 'cult-desk' in the background, giving directions, doing the theoretical apologetics and exegesis to explain to others as the word spread.
'We were only doing God's work, do not be concerned with this vile blasphemy, maybe a bit got out of hand, but it is not a matter of concern, let's discuss something else, do you know how evil is that Messiah-cult ?.'
And there had to be some administrators and secretaries, maybe even moms themselves, yet also with blood on their hands - sanitizing the reports to Rome, covering up, making excuses, parsing language, asking folks to be 'sensitive' - to cover the rage and blasphemy against God.
'Look, I personally didn't do anything in the fields round Bethlehem and I didn't speak the command and I am sure those men were sincere, Herod rules over a great kingdom. And maybe they speak differently in Latin and misunderstood something. And anyway the baby they were seeking was part of a 'death covenant' cult.'
Shalom,
Praxaluh
(Message edited by praxaluh on December 20, 2006) |
yudiea
New member
Username: yudiea
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 75.200.249.217
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 10:07 am: |
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I'm a casual observer of this forum and the on going war of "WORDS"-- I hope that all can lay down the differences-- misunderstandings and hurts soon. It seems like many have been trampled on in some way-- No one likes to be misunderstood and to have their integrity undermined-- or their persoanl foundation of faith attacked-- The truth of God's word needs to be applied where it belongs--and not if one is "right" or "wrong"-- I see this as a road going no where-- and sadly there seems to be no end--this war of Words-- I think the devil is laughing his head off--
Happy Chanukah |
pureheart
Intermediate Member
Username: pureheart
Post Number: 437
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.40.43.90
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 1:03 pm: |
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Though World War I had been raging for only four months, it was already proving to be one of the bloodiest wars in history; by its end 31 million people dead, wounded or missing. Soldiers on both sides were trapped in trenches, exposed to the cold and wet winter weather, covered in mud, and extremely careful of sniper shots. Machines guns had proven their worth in war, bringing new meaning to the word "slaughter."
In a place where bloodshed was nearly commonplace and mud and the enemy were fought with equal vigor, something surprising occurred on the front for Christmas in 1914. The men who lay shivering in the trenches embraced the Christmas spirit. In one of the truest acts of goodwill toward men, soldiers from both sides set aside their weapons and hatred, if only temporarily, and met in No Man's Land.
For a brief time, the love of our Lord and celebrating His birth overshadowed the hate and anger in their hearts. Peace reigned.
I was hoping we could do the same; if only to honor our Lord and Savior.
May the love of Jesus surround you and yours during this celebrated time.
Merry Christmas to all. |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 765
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 6:51 pm: |
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Hi Pure_Heart,
Appreciate your heart on all this.
You have gotten willing responses from a few here, including myself, however we cannot control or influence the virulent oppositionalists, who seem to be bound for unglory in acrimony and strife, each day, every day.
And I cannot give a full guarantee that when they blaspheme and lie that I will not respond at all to point it out.
I may be able to keep it simpler and a bit more genteel, more proforma, less involved, even as they dribble on in sick blasphemy over the next week.
Something to consider. Although overall that would be far from your original request, I definitely am very sympathetic.
Shalom,
Praxaluh
(Message edited by praxaluh on December 20, 2006) |
foreverhis
Intermediate Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 388
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.162.187.50
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 9:55 pm: |
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Dear Pure Heart,
Thank you for your concern. I will soon be refraining from posting for a few days, if the Lord allows me. I really would like a break.
HH had it's craft fair over Thanksgiving weekend. So...this is the time of year when I get the most e-mails and people are asking questions and searching the internet. I have a burden for them to know what HH believes before they get too involved and move etc... I also feel a God given responsibility to be a watchman. If God can use our seven years experience in HH to keep others from the same mistake then good comes from what the enemy, (I do not mean HH,) meant as evil.
At times the Lord gives me leave from here and e-mail replies. I enjoy those times and look forward to the next one.
May God bless you,
FH |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1542
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.84.175
| | Posted on Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 1:34 pm: |
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Happy Hanukkah to all.... |
foreverhis
Intermediate Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 392
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Sunday, December 24, 2006 - 7:14 pm: |
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Merry CHRISTmas everyone!
Forever His |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1543
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.93.59
| | Posted on Sunday, December 24, 2006 - 9:36 pm: |
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Hope everyone is enjoying friends, kinfolks, brothers and sisters...We had a wonderful service at our church and lots of the young people ate supper and played games tonight...Of course it is hot summer here so we ate outside...Nice evening...
Tomorrow some of the church people are coming over for a time of fellowship...
Wish some of you folks could have spent the evening with us... |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 775
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Monday, December 25, 2006 - 12:41 am: |
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Hi Folks,
Pureheart, your idea was actually pretty good, to call for a pause of peace, of consideration. Even for those who have no connection to the December 'Christmas' time as being Biblically-connected.
(Although some of the music does nicely lift up the Lord Jesus, and the media does give more attention to Biblical issues, representations, discussions. And churches and fellowships and communities may get a new hearing from some folks).
A few days or a week from the discussions here can be refreshing. Especially when so much is sooo out of kilter. Amazingly disjointed, out of synch, missing the mark.
So I, and probably some others, am to an extent following the lead given by your exhortation.
Shalom,
Praxaluh
(Message edited by praxaluh on December 25, 2006) |
under_grace
Intermediate Member
Username: under_grace
Post Number: 355
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 68.91.33.163
| | Posted on Monday, December 25, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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Hey Everyone,
This is a short break in the year when some people extend a smile or a greeting that they would not ordinarily do. Most exchange gifts with those that they love. For others it is a time of celebration and thanksgiving for what our God did in sending the Christ child.
There has been allot said on this board as of late and I have not had the time to read or write much. I want to say that my differences with Homestead Heritage does not discount that I love and pray for those brothers and sisters I left behind.
Prax and Daniel while I do not agree with you most of the time there has never been a doubt in my mind about your sincerity and I have tried to consider your point of view and not use vocabulary that offends. I realize that we are coming at things from different points of view and sometimes it is unavoidable.
Today my prayer for everyone is that we could see what God sent to us in this Christ child. Salvation comes to the Jews first and then the Gentiles all because of Jesus. May God give you joy unspeakable and may His glory and blessings rest on each you! May next year find all of us abiding in Him…….
Under Grace |
foreverhis
Intermediate Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 393
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.162.187.191
| | Posted on Monday, December 25, 2006 - 10:25 am: |
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The People
I wanted to talk a bit about the good in HH: The people.
I have been posting on this board for over a year. I was a member who came to believe in the doctrines of HH as they were printed in the literature and practiced day to day. The doctrines are important because they have eternal significance and leave room for abusive authority. But today I want to talk about the people.
What kind of people did I see joining HH? I saw people that really loved the Lord and wanted to live for him 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Most of, if not all, the new members I personally knew, were already devoted Christians before they came. Most of them already homeschooled. Many of them had participated in some form of Home Church. Many had the same dissatisfaction with the average traditional and contemporary churches. They wanted more. More of Jesus and the power of a life lived for, through, and centered in Him. (I personally did not know of any who came in just for the agricultural life style, though I don’t doubt that there could have been.)
It is these people and the devotion that led them to HH, that make up what is good about HH. You hear people rave about how wonderful HH appears. They say the people are so sweet. They are correct about that, the majority of people in HH are some of the sweetest people you could ever meet. They are like a magnet drawing in more sweet people. We seek like minded people. Because of the lifestyle in HH, it isn’t likely to draw lazy or undisciplined new comers. The people are hard working and intelligent.
If I was still in Waco, I would have no problem considering hiring a mature member of HH. I would trust many of them with my bank account and never think twice.
These people were dedicated when they went in, and while in HH learned to offer even a fuller sacrifice as close to perfection as they can get.
I find that people who can be trusted are usually over trusting. It is the good honest people who want to believe the best of others. Pray for the people. Pray that God would bless them. If you meet some members this season, show them the love of God.
Jesus, bless the members of HH. Look on their good intentions of their hearts. Draw their families ever closer, strengthen marriages, and prosper them in every way including their health, finances, relationships, and personal relationships with you. Tuck them personally under your wing and spread high hedges about them; protect them from injustice, and the schemes of the enemy, free them from any bonds that may bind them.
Forever His
(Message edited by foreverhis on December 25, 2006) |
nevermind_me
New member
Username: nevermind_me
Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 205.188.116.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 8:30 pm: |
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merry belated Christmas and a happy new year to all I had a crazy idea maybe we could all try to love each other this new year instead of attacking each other and esspecially the helpless or maybe i shouldnt say the helpless but those who dnt choose to lower themselves to defending untruths and choose instead to help others . Maybe if we spent half the time helping others we would see more good results than tearing down any way just an idea happy new year |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1545
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.120.216
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 8:35 pm: |
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I write here for those that have no voice at all... |
nevermind_me
New member
Username: nevermind_me
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 205.188.116.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 8:48 pm: |
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in this modern day and age we all have a voice speak out if you need to but i dare not make my voice and bad beliefs to be those off others if they want to speak let them speak but i wont embelish my idea of what ithink they think or believe just because i cant understand there way just maybe im in the wrong you know its hard to judge someone unless you are them so maybe your wrong in your view of what they believe or think |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1549
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.112.180
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 9:15 pm: |
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many people at hh have no voice for if they express themselves like you and I do they are disciplined... |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1550
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.112.180
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |
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I happen to know what they believe... |
nevermind_me
New member
Username: nevermind_me
Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 205.188.116.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 9:32 pm: |
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do you? thats stange because i believe i know what they believe and boy oh boy do they look like two diferent beliefs! im sure you will just put me aside as one of those who needs help and needs you to voice my opinions |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1551
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.112.180
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |
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maybe we can sit down and look over the papers I have of all their belief's...Do you believe they are Jesus in the flesh? Do you believe they have the right to get up at a funeral and talk about the dead's sex life? Do you believe they have the right to make an old lady cancel her plans to make a trip with her kids because they are offended at her kids? Do you believe that it is godly to scream and point fingures in people's faces? Do you believe it is ok to not let one grown person talk to another grown person? ...I can go on.... |
nevermind_me
New member
Username: nevermind_me
Post Number: 11
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 205.188.116.10
| | Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 7:01 pm: |
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let me ask you something ML why do you believe such things? do you always believe the worst of everybody? do you not think that exageration and lies are a sin? i wouldnt mind seeing your papers and there authors . but i know me telling you they were or were not true wont make any differance to you youve made up your mind and your not willing to believe anything but bad about the people at HH i dnt know why i bother i guess its just because i believe in being truthful about your friends and enemies alike im not saying they are perfect i m just saying there not what you make them out to be! while were on beliefs tell me do you have beliefs that you would die for? do you have beliefs that no one can dissuade you from? |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1559
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.99.45
| | Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 9:39 pm: |
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Who wrote the papers and things I have? HH's elders... |
nevermind_me
New member
Username: nevermind_me
Post Number: 18
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 205.188.116.10
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 10:58 am: |
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here you are again to important to answer my questions ! i thought you were trying to help people like me see the truth if you are i would think you would have answers for me! or maybe your not trying to help anyone maybe your sent by the one who came to destroy!!!!! |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1567
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.123.139
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 1:52 pm: |
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whatever...
you are funny....I am not to important to answer your question...I thought I did...the papers I have were written mostly by blair adams, joel stein, howard wheeler...etc...
and I have thousands of pages of priif pappers, authority...their booklet on cults trying to justify themselves...and on and on... |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1568
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.123.139
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 1:58 pm: |
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I believed the best about the leaders of HH UNTIL I saw with my eyes and heard with MY ears many of the terrible things they are accused of on this board...Even when my best friends tried to tell me I asked them to let me find out for myself what HH is...sadly I did.. |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 781
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 4:46 am: |
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nevermindme to Mrs. Alvear,
"do you not think that exageration and lies are a sin?"
nevermindme .. Perhaps you are a little new on the board. Mrs. Alvear has shown us that when it comes to her proud mantle of bitterness against HH even obvious lying blasphemies can be repeated again and again - without a wince or a blanch. If the light of exposure is too bright they fade a bit for a season, yet she continues them elsewhere and chomps to spew them again here.
Never a retraction or apology for even the most vile words. And all this with defense, agreement, diversion from the support gang of oppos.
Simple exaggerations and little factual lies are actually the kind words from this crew.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1584
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.51.164
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 10:00 am: |
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Prax always ready to judge me...lol...
Poor Prax has never met me never sat down and talked to me, never been to my church or my home, never met my family and only know what HH tells him about me...lol... |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 785
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 11:44 am: |
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Hi Folks,
Nope. My information about you, Mrs. Alvear, is 99% plus what you put on this email forum, how you twist and blaspheme and are consumed with a crusade against HH. I have explained in the past my sense of how that initially occurred and made many attempts to assist you to come to a place of peace and truth and reality.
The remaining part of what I know of you is mostly simply web material, such as your visits to churches or posts on an apostolic forum.
And you may be a wonderful person and sweet family and solid oneness church -- outside of your dark anti-HH crusade ... however fighting covenant Christian community is how you have chosen to define yourself TODAY.
The deceptions and blasphemies and bearing false witness and unrestrained tongue are your own responsibility before God. Sadly, the oppos have been of no assistance to you. And you are now spiritually twisting in the wind.
I point out this truth out with no happiness, no satisfaction. It is my heart's desire to you for a full cleansing.
And that the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ may come upon you.
In Jesus name,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1587
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.123.193
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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Strange you defend...the horrible things that go on at HH...No I will not defend error and lies... |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 786
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 5:37 pm: |
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Hi Folks,
Mrs. Alvear,
"only know what HH tells"
And I want to respond to an improper accusation.
Allow me to be a bit clearer and fuller.
Mrs. Alvear, as I shared above I learned about you on this email forum. Your animus against HH, your unlistening ear. And when I say you have spoken repeatedly blasphemies here, those are 100% my own view and words, 100% my own understanding, and 100% my personal burden for you .. it is the truth that God has given me to share.
You live in a strange world where anybody who speaks to you from outside HH is attacked and belittled for that very reason .. while anybody who would speak to you from within HH is marginalized, viewed as only brainwashed anyway, unworthy of your attention. True brothers and sisters share, yet you make sure your ears and heart are closed.
As was shown by your response to a beautiful, deep letter.
This whole thing is the sup with winebibbers and teetotalers syndrome that I shared about earlier. Similar to how the Pharisees tried to discredit both John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus, using two opposite angles. You simply will not listen, will not hear, will not consider, will not have true dialog, will not open your heart to the Spirit of God through anybody .. in the matters of HH at hand here.
In your fantasy world my views of you are dictated by HH. Mrs Alvear, listen clearly .. in any of the few conversations that I have had with HH folks this last year your name has hardly ever come up. Once, ages ago, a short conversation explained a bit of the historical backdrop - that you were close to HH and folks from HH had been with you in Brazil. And that is the same history that you share here, with a tinge.
Yet nobody at all at HH has ever spoken ill of you. There has been no malice, no anger, no accusations, no bitterness, no tearing down, no belittling. None.
Even in the midst of your ongoing venomous crusade any words spoken were cautious, honorable before God, sanctified and respectful. Every single word.
In my limited sensibilities I could hear a pain and hurt that you have taken this path. A sense that it was improper. Yet no animus. And I know that this path will never work for you. It can never bring you the peace for which your heart must yearn. It is simply impossible.
That is why I shared with the forum about Gamaliel before the Sanhedrin today. So much of this battlefield you have created is similarly wrong. Like the enemies of the apostles in Acts you are viewing every event, every tinged report, with eyes of flesh. In your current state you could join in the accusations against even that 'overbearing' apostolic ministry of Peter and the brethren in Acts. The ones with the strange new doctrines. Including Stephen who served the widows at tables and yet was willing to speak the word of God - instant in season - even until his very last words - 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit' - and his very last breath.
Mrs. Alvear, in your current state you could rail at the terrible things they did. In that day even the unregenerate Saul was making havock of the church, spewing out accusations, working with the conspiracies of carnal men. And you are doing likewise today.
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Allow me to return to how I learned about your current situation, Mrs. Alvear. I learned from your many hundreds of posts here, your being consumed with this crusade.
And in terms of fullness of background I actually learned the most from one item you posted. The selective parts of the letter from our dear HH sister. After a season of bluster you posted enough selective parts of the letter on the forum that the heart of God cried out to the readers here. Maybe some others were truly touched. Yet your only public response was to belittle, to divert, and to try hard to deceive the forum that our beautiful sister actually had not even written the letter. And apparently you still deceive yourself on this point.
(continues)
(Message edited by praxaluh on December 31, 2006) |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 788
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 74.73.4.159
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It is long past time for you to seek God, to seek His cleansing.
When discussing here the last weeks I have emphasized a couple of blasphemous terms that you wrongfully use for abuse - ugly words, blatant lies of hatred and confusion. Yet even on those you stumble, you cannot come clean.
When it is exposed vigorously you can restrain your tongue on this forum for a few days but you are unable to simply speak truth -
"I will forsake those improper words, in all countries and venues and languages - they are not proper, they misrepresent HH, my apologies for using them earlier."
And this would be the right path, the integrity words, even if no other view of yours changed one iota. God would honor the step of humility and truth, the step away from a very unrighteous railing blasphemy
The hour is late. For each and every one of us. It is vital that we are right before our holy God, the Lord Jesus Christ. Mrs. Alvear, please try to take a step forward in Jesus.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
seekingglory
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Post Number: 93
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Posted From: 24.162.130.84
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Yet nobody at all at HH has ever spoken ill of you. There has been no malice, no anger, no accusations, no bitterness, no tearing down, no belittling. None.
WRONG!!!!
I've got emails that speak different.
Emails where HH speaks poorly of Janice. |
seekingglory
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Posted From: 24.162.130.84
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Prax you speak with forked tongue |
missionary_lady
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Posted From: 200.147.3.115
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I feel perfect peace from God and I will continue to stand up for TRUTH and rightousness...
I feel that I am right before God...
So if you feel HH is right then the proper thing would be go and join them... |
seekingglory
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Posted From: 24.162.130.84
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Then you should say...............
"Yet nobody at all at HH has ever spoken ill of you TO ME" |
seekingglory
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Posted From: 24.162.130.84
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BIG DIFFERENCE! |
seekingglory
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Posted From: 24.162.130.84
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A little twist of your own otherwise. |
missionary_lady
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Posted From: 200.147.3.115
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I have copies of things HH says about me...but that doesn't matter...What matters is TRUTH...
HH seems to forget not everyone at the village is good at keeping secrets... |
missionary_lady
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Posted From: 200.147.3.115
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and now...Happy New year to all...We just had a blessed service in Brazil with our church packed out...2 people were baptized, several repented and our people sang and worshipped for a long time...It was like heaven kissed earth...No one wanted to go home!
And later tonight we are taking our young people to see fireworks at the beach... |
praxaluh
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Post Number: 790
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Posted From: 74.73.4.159
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Hi Folks,
"Seekingglory"
I am simply sharing my experiences.
Which should be very clear.
It is true that the blasphemy lies that she and you speak are your own condemnation.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
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Post Number: 1591
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.3.115
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Lies....why do you accuse me of lies...you have not proved I have lied one time...you have not proved all those charges against hh are false. Why because you cannot. YOU know they are true. Why in the name of God if you want to help why don't you help those that are suffering?
If what you say is true and you have little contact with HH then I ask God to forgive your ignorance of what is going on there and for you taking up for evil practices...Please Mr. Prax I know thousands of pastors why would I spend my precious time writing here UNLESS I know that I saw danger? |
praxaluh
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Post Number: 791
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Posted From: 74.73.4.159
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Mrs. Alvear,
you never pay any attention to what is shared.
Never. That is one of your major problems.
I have carefully pointed out the two blasphemy lies that you have used against HH, one time and again.
(That one you 'defended' with auxiliary lies about how and why you began to use the phrase and what it means in your culture. Transparent and blatant lies. I went over these in great depth, showing newspaper articles in Spanish or Portuguese and inviting each person here to check more for themselves.)
Once it was clear that you could not even restrain your tongue on the most acrid vitriol blasphemy I stopped going over the various individual issues you raise (although I used to do that). Even more especially issues you pick up from others with a vendetta and you become a third-party accuser. You simply have unclean hands, you are a dishonest broker of other people's laundry.
It has become clear that your problem is far deeper than your concern that somebody spoke in a loud voice in a meeting, or your concerns that a booth was set up about the Brazil work when you were on the land for the fair, or that you were discomfited about how to be very close with HH and still have individual dominion over other works. Issues that you have raised probably 100 times each by now on the forum. Your problems here go far deeper than these concerns.
Amazingly you would accuse HH dozens of time publicly on the fair booth (which you finally acknowledged they walked you to on the land) without even having the basic integrity to discuss with HH your concern. Not one call, not one email, not one letter. Rarely have I seen such a complete breakdown of ethics. Even if HH did anything marginally questionable there (which became very doubtful as the facts came out) your public railings are the true abomination, the stench before God.
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Back to the blasphemy lies.
One blasphemy lie is reviewed in depth on -
"Integrity first - the sick blasphemy of the oppositionals"
A second blasphemy lie is your -
"(leader) as GOD" accusation.
And I have discussed the definitions of 'lie' as well, although again you pay no attention.
eg. When you again and again claimed that our dear sister did not write the deep letter to you - that was a straight untruth. Whether to call it a 'lie' depends upon which definition one uses. I tend to not do so. In this case you are so confused that you actually believe the untruth. You convince yourself ! (If nobody else.) Is that a lie ? Well yes, by one definition, no by the strictest definition of a conscious, deliberate untruth. Often it is best to use the lighter definition, if at all possible.
However, I do not believe we have that liberty with issues like repeated deliberate blasphemy untruths. They are lies, unpure and unsimple.
While in general it is good to avoid accusation of lies, you Mrs. Alvear pay absolutely no attention to any such nuances of definition when you try to accuse HH of this or that. None whatseover. You show a brazen disregard for proper language and communication.
btw, when you say above that "YOU know they are true" about your litany of accusations that is a brazen lie itself. Any reader here knows I have countered and questioned and raised real concerns about lots of false and exaggerated and confused reports, and accusations made sans context. Accusations that you embrace without any concern for balance and integrity, because, well, they are on the Net, or in an email you received. Therefore they must be true. Sick.
On top of this, so many issues are matter of balance and pereception and even who speaks first. (Proverbs) It is necessary to really seek out a matter fairly and carefully. This we never see you do.
"YOU know they are true"
Mrs. Alvear, I do not at all appreciate your lying by claiming words in my mouth or thoughts in my mind that are not my beliefs or my conscience before God.
Shalom,
Praxaluh
(Message edited by praxaluh on December 31, 2006) |
missionary_lady
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Post Number: 1596
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Posted From: 200.147.62.189
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join hh and we will believe you.... |
missionary_lady
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Posted From: 200.147.6.111
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I have not lied one time...I fear the Lord and stand up for truth...more than you do Prax for you were not even there and have no knowledge of anything concerning hh and Brazil except what they have given you...
So come answer do you agree with killing babies? |
missionary_lady
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Post Number: 1600
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Posted From: 200.147.6.111
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Prax start trying to find out why a group has to use pressure and fear and give us a Bible study why that must be done... |
missionary_lady
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Posted From: 200.147.6.111
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and find out about the killings...the child abuse we are most interested in how all this can happen in a little "loving" village... |
missionary_lady
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Posted From: 200.147.6.111
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and make sure you listen to the tape if it exists of them telling about the sex life of a deceased young boy at his funeral...i DID NOT hear the tape I personally talked to someone that was at the funeral... |
missionary_lady
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Post Number: 1605
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Posted From: 200.147.6.111
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tell us is it ok to abuse a 7 year old child?????? |
missionary_lady
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Post Number: 1609
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Posted From: 200.147.6.111
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tell us if you think it is like Jesus to have brothers not speaking to brothers just because they reject HH and go to another church? |
missionary_lady
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Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.6.111
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Koresh, Smith, Jones all three claimed to be the Messiah, or at least, God's voice. Branham claimed to be the prophet Elijah.
We have Joseph Smith’s ""inspired translation of the Book of Mormon and the Jehovah’s Witnesses 100 year old claim that the Watchtower magazine is inspired.
Along with them we have Ellen White and all her many writings where she elevated level to God's level...
and on and no...now I was told I would need Blair's writings for me to understand the Bible...but my JW friend told me I could not understand the Bible without their books and magazines...LOL...a never ending cycle...of self proclaimed apostles...prophets...
2 Corinthians 11:14 says that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Perhaps this is why they deceived thousands.
I weep...I wanted HH to be real... |
praxaluh
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Posted From: 74.73.4.159
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Mrs. Alvear continues with her consuming sickness.
Look at how she lies in speech ...
This one with a blasphemy tinge has been floated before.
"I have not lied one time... do you agree with killing babies?"
Every reader here who has been involved with HH knows that Mrs. Alvear is seeking to deceive. And that HH has a beautiful view toward birth and babies. To write like this is a brazen lie from the pit, a lie that should make even any oppos with a conscience (an endangered species) cringe in concern for the current state of Mrs. Alvear.
"join hh and we will believe you...."
Mrs. Alvear, you speak just like the Pharisees, you are a hypocrite. Jesus pointed out to them that even if one were raised from the dead, they would not believe. (Luke 16).
You know perfectly well that if I was writing from within HH tomorrow -- you would NOT believe me. Don't lie to yourself and the forum. You would then say I was brainwashed and more. You would then use that as your 'evidence' that my former posts should not be considered because of the indoctrination. I have even explained this deception of yours in depth, since it is so much the Pharisee way (Luke 7, Matthew 11).
Yet you are in such bondage that such hypocrisies and lies as above blithely roll off your tongue.
Shalom,
Praxaluh
(Message edited by praxaluh on January 01, 2007) |
praxaluh
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Posted From: 74.73.4.159
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Under_Grace
"Prax and Daniel... there has never been a doubt in my mind about your sincerity and I have tried to consider your point of view and not use vocabulary that offends."
Thanks, Under_Grace, and to your credit not only -
a) do you avoid offensive phrases, but also -
b) when you slip you quickly offer a sincere graceful retraction/apology
c) you do not try to defend such phrases from others.
Granted, you could go one more step and implore others to fully avoid phrases that are meant to deceive and aflame (as above) - specifically and clearly. Including and especially the d.c. blasphemy. And related stuff, Jim Jones canards, (leaders) as a GOD, dark stuff that comes forth daily that is only meant to deceive and besmirch. Nobody takes a public stance, and that is sad.
However you are a light poster here, thoughtful, and the only one active in opposition who has taken the standards of a/b/c above. So I only point out that you could go one step further, something for consideration. This is not a complaint since if all those writing here followed your standards above we would have a far more graceful and fair discussion.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
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Post Number: 1617
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.54.53
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So I am a Pharisee because I tell the truth...and what are you for holding up for evil?
YOu prove the facts I stated from the other posters a lie...
Prax, sadly all you know how to do is call me names...but prove the other posters and I are lying you cannot.... |
praxaluh
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Posted From: 74.73.4.159
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No, Mrs. Alvear.
Remember, I have documented specific lies from you on this very forum .. worse .. lies that are even blasphemies.
Even your 'killing babies' statement right above is a brazen lie.
You also spoke falsely above about my thoughts and beliefs.
As for your 'facts' there is a basic maxim.
'He who asserts must prove.'
To you, Mrs. Alvear, anything said by others sharing your vicious animus against HH must be true and terrible. No thought, no consideration, no context, no research, no nuttin. Accept everything negative said and then add your own vicious spin on top.
For much of what you say, especially from others, there is absolutely no substance, no credibility.
Your actions on this forum show your walk with God disintegrated to the level of slanderer (1 Timothy 1:11) and a backbiter and inventor of evil things. (Romans 1:30).
The verse that now fits Mrs. Alvear is -
Colossians 3:8
But now ye also put off all these;
anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy,
filthy communication out of your mouth.
A woman who used to be known for her labors for God is now the living example of Colossians 3:8.
And the stuff that you do share from personal experience has been fully responded to over and over. Such as your lie about our dear sister not writing the deep letter to you.
You lie again and again on this forum. On the d.c blasphemy you created a whole construct of lies. Your "(leader) as a GOD" was yet another blasphemy lie.
Something has gone very wrong with your tongue and your heart.
The ones who should help you are the comrades in your cause who claim to still be balanced and fair. Who claim to really not see HH as an enemy and appreciate the HH motives and intentions. They are the ones who should be correcting you publicly and privately. However, they are only renegades against God in their complicity with your blasphemies.
And the little bit of oversight from your family is apparently now gone as well. At times your husband had related wisdom to you about issues on this forum although it is unclear whether you ever followed any of it. Apparently that is all out of kilter as well.
Mrs. Alvear it is long past time for you to turn away from your foolishness. If nobody else will help you (you have demonstrated that you will not listen to anybody in HH, not even your dearest friend) and I am the only one, then I will simply speak to you straight.
Shalom,
Praxaluh
(Message edited by praxaluh on January 01, 2007) |
missionary_lady
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Post Number: 1620
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Posted From: 200.147.24.167
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 1:39 pm: |
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my dearest friend? |