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     whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 275 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
The following opinion is being forwarded for posting on FACTNet, by request.... Reading the FactNet entries re: "Will the Real Ramtha please stand up" --- Even without mentioning the pages of evidence/reports indicating that JZ is Ramtha - there's one very simple and obvious clue -- Ramtha's accent is not consistent - not over time, and not even within one single "Event". For example, "Two Paths" started out with no accent, the drunker Ramtha got - while claiming that 4 bottles of wine had no effect on him, proving he was Ramtha and not his daughter, - the accent became more and more like the "original" Ramtha. | ||
| naturegirl New member Username: naturegirl Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.161.125.247 |
Well, Ramtha claiming that four bottles has no effect on him is truly not true. I was in a event when Ramtha got so drunk that he threw up on stage several times and the red guards had to take him out. Linda evans got on stage because ramtha was throwing up and she was trying to wipe his face and it took two guards to hold Ramtha up and take him out. I saw the whole thing and I watch him leave. I have also being at a event when JZ got drunk and the voices changed from speaking like ramtha and then speaking like her and she smoke cigarettes after cigarettes and drink shots and she got drunk and once again linda evan was there to help her friend off stage. so ramtha saying wine does not effect him is a lie. | ||
| naturegirl New member Username: naturegirl Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.161.125.247 |
also, I have been at a event when Ramtha talked exactly like the old days from the beginning when he use to talk funny. one event he said remember when i first came here and i use to talk like this and he begin to talk just like that again. anyway I never knew about this penny person until the other day when i read a post from secret, now that person is truly ramtha clone and it makes you question this whole experience. all that i can say is that i thank god that i am no longer a part of that school. i saw so much, when i read about penny hitting people, the red guards showed no kindness towards people, they totally misuse there power and many times i witness there unkindness towards people, when i look back at this whole thing, the words that were spoken by ramtha made you think outside the box. but so much that was taught is not ancient teaching, so many techiques are right on the internet. example, i remember when we were taught mirror work and the big secret it was, well mirror work is old and you can type it in on the net and you will find it. it is a old black magic techique called scrying mirror. i remember when we were introduce to orbs and the secret that was, that is not a secret, people have been taking photos of strange lights appearing for a long time and i remember one early morning i was out taking pictures and a worker from the school saw me in rainer and stop his car and said what are you doing taking pictures and i said i am taking pictures of orbs, well the next ramtha event which happen to be my last one, when i went to pay for a event i was pulled out of line and told that me taking pictures of orbs was not allowed and that i broke the school rules. that was my last event because it was totally bull'. i had reach my limit with everything at that school and it was just not about taking pictures, i had reach my limit and it was the best limit i could have reached, so when i read about penny, i truly think about the stuff that i saw. i remember ramtha saying that there has never been a woman christ and that jz would be the first woman christ and you see her smoking and drinking like a fish and you think to yourself. mmmmmmm and then you see her crying on stage drunk because the man called father walk's out during one of her events and she felt that father would never walk out on ramtha and why he walked out on her. during that same event, i saw a person questioning jz about ramtha and she told the person to go and talk to linda evan, i watch linda and this person exchange words and linda grab this person, i could not believe it. all that i can say is that i never felt the love with the people in charge of that school, something is not right there!!!!! they talk a lot about god, but i did not feel the love and compassion from people at that school, it was all about judging. (Message edited by naturegirl on December 18, 2006) (Message edited by naturegirl on December 18, 2006) | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 276 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
i wasn't at the event you're talking about when/where ramtha threw up on the stage. i have heard about it, though. i also have a friend (who is not current in the school), that was sitting in the front when that happened. she never went back. she kept trying to tell ME to smarten up, but i was just not hearing her. it took me a while, but i did wise up eventually. gee, it's so humbling to be a dull bulb !!!!!! sigh.... thanks for posting, naturegirl. very interesting info. emailwhatchamacallit@yahoo.com | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 166 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.158 |
Yes, Thanks for having the courage to post your experiences naturegirl. I was absent during those wine ceremony years but I have observed the aftermath on students who have participated. If there was a Christ on earth the RSE administration would most probably be the first to shout "Crucify him/her!!!" They would consider that a victim is on the crucifix and they would point the finger and say, "How did this fool create his/her reality?" They obviously did not do their disciplines enough. They were lazy. They did not understand the "education." They deserve what they are getting. They have given their power away. Theoretically a Christ is an abnormal person even amongst their peers. RSE enjoys conformity amongst its fraterinty. I would conclude a true Christ, if the concept exists, would never even be recognized by the multitudes who need to be just like their peers. Perhaps ancient Rome is at the door. Perhaps the days of Yeshua/Jesus are unchanged to this day. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 277 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
Voidgate writes: They would consider that a victim is on the crucifix and they would point the finger and say, "How did this fool create his/her reality?" ~~~ yes, in a similar way to the teacher and business owner saying that all of the HUMAN BEINGS in the tsunami a few years ago, deserved to die since they didn't have the intuition to know it was coming. What love and compassion, huh ? That was stated from the stage several times. Not one student challenged the statement, either, in a direct manner, when it was stated. I have often wondered if I was the only one, who felt that such an overtly insensitive comment could come from any evolved person? The Pacific Northwest just got slammed with strong wind storms. Many, many people have been without power for days, and have days more to do before they may get it back on again. A number of those people are current "students". Please explain to me, ...insert humor and sarcasm... why did the school's MASTERS (and I use that term lightly), create the reality of having their Cmas with Ramtha event postponed due to wind storms that left many of them for days on end, without power ? What were they THINKING? borrowing David's CHUCKLE... emailwhatchamacallit@yahoo.com | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 225 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.105.103 |
A brave post by naturegirl.. Another brick in the RSE wall has been removed.. Thank you. Now what’s up with the "Lord of the Wind" blowing away his own Christmas event? Could it be that Mafu is really the “Lord of the Wind”? Think about it.. Penny Torres did beat JZ Knight to the messiah post… On second thoughts.. Don’t think about it.. With Solstice and Christmas chuckles to One and All. David. | ||
| naturegirl New member Username: naturegirl Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.161.125.247 |
I never heard about this and I just found this on Ramtha site... http://ramtha.com/email/03-05-05_important/message.html Greetings, This email is to inform you about Lea Saskia Laasener and the publication of her book with coauthor Hugo Stamm, entitled Allein gegen die Seelenfanger -- Alone against the Soulcapturers (Eichborn Verlag, March 2005). Lea Laasener is 24 years old. She claims she was 13 when she was molested by a German cult leader and made a sex slave for the next 9 or 10 years. She managed to escape and returned to Switzerland where she met Hugo Stamm. Stamm is a "head hunter" for gurus and cults. On February 25, 2005, Laasener appeared on the Swiss television show Quer in Zurich, Switzerland to discuss her book and her allegations of sexual misconduct and other abuses by Julie Ravel and her followers. Ravel was the leader of a false "Ramtha cult," an imposter group that JZ Knight took to court in Austria in 1995 and shut down. In 1997 Julie Ravel was defeated in the Austrian Supreme Court for attempting to pass herself off as a channeler of Ramtha. Ravel failed to pay her court costs or publish the retractions ordered by the court. Apparently she moved her group to Portugal and then to Belize in Central America. Laasener and her coauthor Stamm failed to distinguish between Ramtha's true teachings through JZ Knight and the teachings of the imposter, Julie Ravel, and failed to mention that Ravel had been defeated in the Austrian Supreme Court. Julie Ravel violated the 1997 court orders and has stolen Ramtha's identity again. Ramtha is now erroneously being implicated in the crimes of Julie Ravel and her followers. None of the current allegations against Ravel should be associated with JZ Knight, Ramtha, or Ramtha's School of Enlightenment. Greg Simmons and Michelle Horkings from RSE will be flying to Switzerland next week to address the media, Laasener, Stamm, and their publisher. They will be supported by our Austrian lawyer who won the Supreme Court ruling against Julie Ravel in 1997. If you read or hear on radio or television anything about this issue, please inform Miranda Sarbach, our Swiss coordinator at msarbach@bluewin.ch. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 279 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
naturegirl wrotes: "but so much that was taught is not ancient teaching, so many techiques are right on the internet. example, i remember when we were taught mirror work and the big secret it was, well mirror work is old and you can type it in on the net and you will find it. " yes, i agree with this. i have found a number of resources that discuss concepts that we were told we couldn't find elsewhere. mirror work is certainly one of them. so is candles, and breathwork is nothing new...but they have a trademark on it, under a certain name. it's still breathwork. it's old ! i could go on. people just need to wake up and smell the deception. it stinks. but once you rise your head up out of the fog and clouds of deception, the sun is shining and the air is clear. it's worth it to choose the trip. emailwhatchamacallit@yahoo.com |
