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     gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1872 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
More "Christians" Crooks running frauds from the church http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=80537 www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 We return calls in North America and 22 countries world-wide | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 3037 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.241.6.69 |
there are probally a lot of ones who commit fraud knowingly but i dont beleive there are any who being a christian will dilibertly commit fraud against any one | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1479 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.245.201.50 |
Dave, "The two Chandler men and their wives, Maureen Purvis and Allison Wolfe, are subjects of state and federal investigations into their involvement with Nakami Chi Group Ministries International, a Scottsdale organization that promises to fund Christian charities while paying investors 24 percent in annual returns." Can you show evidence that Nakami Chi Group Ministries International is even claiming to be a Christian group? Just one link would be good enough. Can you show evidence that the two people above are even claiming to be Christians? So, some financial group is promising to fund Christian Charities and you jump to a conclusion that, "More "Christians" Crooks running fraud from the church." There in not truth to that conclusion at all. Did even read the article that you posted? | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1874 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
arron writes “there are probally a lot of ones who commit fraud knowingly but i dont beleive there are any who being a christian will dilibertly commit fraud against any one.” You are no doubt right arron. Many of those are the victims. However the problem is that many of the leaders such as Benny Hinn and the like are the ones who know exactly what they are into. (Benny Hinn accepted $300,000 in one pyramid fraud and $400,000 in another that we know of) The rest of Christiandome, with the exception of an extremely few, even if they are not involved, cover up, and refusing to acknowledge this fraud, attempt to defend and rationalize this evil, or ignor it and refuse to condemn it from the pulpit. If all churches and their ministers would expose and explain how these frauds work, condemn them, tell the congregation to do likewise, teach and explain it in schools, tell their young people to explain it to their classmates, and tell the youth to watch for it, take it from school and explain it to their families etc., these frauds would have a difficult time indeed ever getting off the ground. Interestingly a program in the schools in China is doing just that, years ahead of North America and especially in the accepted haven for white collar criminals and money laundering crooks, my country, Canada. But, teachers and school board officials, (who are now involving and victimizing their own students) ministers defrauding their own congregations and most reprehensibly their young people, police, firefighters, and politicians, among the worst, government employees, accountants and bankers, real estate brokers and agents, insurance agents, corrupt lawyers, doctors, nurses, chiropractors, actors, singers, members of the Chambers of Commerce, (specifically AmCham) members of the BBB, and other high profile individuals and organizations, supposedly "pillars of our society," create these "viruses" and spread them throughout the nation and the world, and now specifically targeting students even in high school. In Canada the police and government officials are intimidating students; victims who have inadvertently and unwittingly been mislead into this evil; intimidating their parents who attempt to expose these pyramid schemes and have their children’s money returned and warn others. And through it all I see the majority of the mainline churches not only “turning a blind eye” to the misery of these evils, but many in fact, participating in it. It is a very serious and a very sad situation that my attempts at exposing these frauds has resulted in character assignation, a 10 million dollar law suit, threats, serious assault and near death at the hands of not only the perpetrators but the authorities who's duty it is in Canada to shut them down. That individuals calling themselves Christians and high profile organization calling themselves Christian would indulge in this evil for monetary gain is indeed reprehensible. dave www.crimebustersnow.com gatoraid@sympatico.ca 905-963-3389 24/7 We return your calls toll free in North America and 22 countries world-wide. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1481 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.245.201.115 |
I guess not... | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1482 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.245.201.115 |
Arron, You go ahead and donate to this guys red van. As for me I am going to keep my money. Erich | ||
| shem Member Username: shem Post Number: 84 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 203.111.236.45 |
Reminds me of a short story: A Catholic priest and a protestant minister were talking together over a drink. The priest asked the minister what he did with the money which was collected every Sunday in church, to which he replied that he kept enough to cover his weekly living expenses, and the remainder is used for God's work. Oh! said the priest, I give ALL the collection to God, and let Him decide how much I should keep. How does that work? asked the minister. Well, I take all the money and throw it high into the air to heaven; then God keeps what He needs and throws the rest back down to me. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1876 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Yes easeltine I carefully read the article that I posted. As you will notice the word Christian in my posting appears in quotations “ ” because it was contained in the article. These are not the kind of Christians who display the attributes and disciplines of the Christians I was raised around and taught about from the ancient Bible. But, unfortunately our churches and religious organizations are full of them and they are being past off as Christians and given credibility by recognized as Christians organizations who enjoy accepted Christian credibility. Benny Hinn the deceptive "healer" appears as a guest on many Christian broadcasting shows which hold themselves out and are widely accepted as representing true Christians. This is wrong and reprehensible. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1877 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
It is "easeltine's" attitude that perpetuates this unnecessary evil and misery. I was ruined when unknown to me the pyramid fraud of the decade decimated my community and my family. Christians, cops and crooks in a conspiracy to defraud the masses. It is a serious, serious problem, something I am attempting to warn, particularly students about. I am receiving constant emails from desperate young people losing their money, to corrupt lawyers, accountants, police, firefighters, and the like that on Sunday fill the church pews, and the ministers as well. These students and young people are suffering economically, mentally and emotionally many afraid to even tell their parents they were defrauded of their tuition. I don't want anyone to suffer what my family, community and myself personally have suffered. So, a few months ago I roofed a house to get enough money to print pamphlets and business cards so I could go (without a vehicle having not raised enough money) to the schools (miles apart) to inform students of these horrible frauds. With a vehicle and a little support I could cover the country in short order instead of the very few schools I am able to reach. With lies and deception I too could own a plane, live and eat in the best hotels, want for nothing (except honesty) and fool the masses. As I say it is the narrow minded selfish bigoted types like "easletine" that refuse to First, recognize the enormous problems and Secondly, extend any help, Thirdly try with ridicule, contempt, nastiness and “road blocks” to prevent dedicated people from trying to do anything about the problem. I run into these people all the time, lying about me and my project, attempting with negative and nasty comments and subtle remarks to hopefully dissuade others from pitching in with a few dollars individually to get the job done but defend instead the likes of Tammy & Jim Baker, (air conditioned dog house and 5 chandeliers in her shoe closet) Benny Hinn, and all the rest of the wealthy "snake oil" salesmen engaging in ripping off the very victims my organization tries to help. An organization that takes nothing from our donations but rather pours in their own time and money to do the real Christian thing as taught in the Bible even though I am not a Christian. Quite an irony. Sort of like the parable of the Good Samaritan. He was an un-Christian doing a Christian deed while the so-called "credible" good priests, scribes etc., walked on the other side ignoring the misery. Rather like today dave www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 We return your calls toll free in North America and 22 countries world-wide. | ||
| mspringer New member Username: mspringer Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 70.97.58.178 |
I am a man that has had Gregg Wolfe and Ali Wolfe use the funds they claim to me were from God to fund the living arrangements of my wife and 3 year old with Gregg's brother benjiman. Yes, they are funding an adulterous relationship. My wife left Colorado with my 3 year old and then proceeded to make all sorts of false accusations to CPS and other authorities in an attempt to keep my daughter from me. My wife, 3 months after she left Colorado moved in with Benjiman Wolfe. In legal documents, my wife claimed that Ali and Gregg Wolfe, Naka mi chi ministries internation was supporting her through gifts. THis should make everyone concerned about men that claim Christian values and priorities. THese men are also activily involved with Crown Ministries, a Christian financial planning group in Florida. These men are truly Wolfe's in sheeps clothing | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1900 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
"Florida and Canada have been pegged as the fraud capitols of North America dave | ||
| inkorrekt Advanced Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 789 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 65.101.217.33 |
Noit all ministries are fraudulent. Thare are many whose books are open for everyone to read. The frauds were there at the time of Jesus, They have been here. They will be here till Jesus returns. We are all sinners. We will also fail God if we aree not careful. Billy Graham still runs an impeccable ministry. He was tempted once upon a time over the glories of money, women and power. HE JUST SAID ,"NO". That was all that was needed.These TV evangelists are so weak that they cannot say NO to anything.In spite of these FRAUDS, most of them fear God and do what is good and right, So, let us not throw stones at all of them. Let us stone only the guilty (Not in the literal sense) |
