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     orangetwopay Advanced Member Username: orangetwopay Post Number: 544 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.34.165.86 |
so is the "curse of carl" real? think about it. the affiliate in central new york defied carl. within just a few years, a ministry that mattered, that did good work in the community, is all but gone. marriages dissolved. past members of the church started running their own mini churches with strange doctrines. the leadership leaving under dubious pretenses, causing infighting and conflicts among the people who used to be "members in particular" of a vital church. now people are scattered. without a vision, the people perish. and that's only one example. there are probably other stories. carl used to say things like this would happen to those who opposed him. was he right? we're just wondering, because of a conversation that's been taking place on this LW post: http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/12/just-in-time-for-holidays.html feel free to add to the dialogue, either there or here. the LW crew | ||
| shat_happens Intermediate Member Username: shat_happens Post Number: 299 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.59.1.234 |
Yeah, and some people get married, move to another stupid time zone and leave their friends for dead too! | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1145 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
So, OTP, the church in Baltimore closets Carl in his house with his nursey, lets him in on the radio for a few minutes now and then, put a guy whose most astounding statements begin and end with uuhhhh in charge...are they under the carlycurse too? | ||
| orangetwopay Advanced Member Username: orangetwopay Post Number: 545 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.34.165.86 |
yes, i'm sure he's shoed himself in the nuts a few times while reaching for the pills...  | ||
| david_munson Senior Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 3377 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 4.156.45.230 |
The only effective curse Carl had was causing believers to come under his special covering and leave their Christ appointed positions behind as well as correct biblical understanding. } | ||
| boss_martian Advanced Member Username: boss_martian Post Number: 821 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 192.91.147.34 |
Real? He wishes! However, I would consider it an honor to be cursed by the Hell Toupee! Years ago, I briefly pondered getting some t-shirts made that said "100 million percent Satanic Garbage" in big bold letters. A nice companion shirt would be "I was cursed by Carl Stevens and all I got was this lousy t-shirt". (Note to the Liquid Waves corporate headquarters: Feel free to use those ideas, I only ask for a size XL.) The curses are likely the Hell Toupee using coincidence ("John Doe left this ministry and got cancer just like I foretold! Tremble before me!") or the voodoo power of suggestion (If you believe this crap strongly enough, you'll talk yourself into bad stuff.). Of course there's always the idea that simply leaving is a curse in itself. Those that are still in GGWO likely consider being too far from the Sacred Buttocks of Stevens (too far for effective brown-nosing)a cursed existence no matter how well things turn out. | ||
| johncollins Intermediate Member Username: johncollins Post Number: 152 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 63.160.106.254 |
In the next few weeks, the National Enquirer and similar publications will all give us their predictions for 2007. Gather enough predictions covering a long enough time period (last year's, the year before, etc.), and I'm sure you'll find some which came to pass. More or less. Proof of some prophet's gift? What about all the predictions which DON'T come to pass? Someone left gg and had problems in their life later on? Proof of some prophet's gift? What about all the predictions who DON'T come to pass? Is anyone bothering to compile a list of all those who remained IN, and yet had health, financial, marital and other problems in their lives? Here's my prediction: With a sufficient random sampling, the stats would be identical to those who have left. Barbara Stevens the first died from disease about 30 years ago. Was she cursed? Carl Stevens is sick today. Cursed? Today's gh report on Discussggwo.org said, "John Love prays for Peggy D’Entremont who was taken to the hospital with chest pain last night." Cursed? Being in gg is not a good luck rabbit's foot. Life happens. People get sick. They die. They have accidents and difficulties. It's a fulfillment of Bible prophecy to have troubles in this world, right? As Boss called it -- coincidence, voodoo. Curse of God? naw.... | ||
| minutus Senior Member Username: minutus Post Number: 1082 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.99.81.181 |
What about Alpo Huovinen, who was the ministry tool to disrupt the churches in Russia that left GGWO? He died, sadly. I would not use the same argument they do to say he was cursed for "sowing discord among the brethren." | ||
| sidethorn Advanced Member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 963 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.143.132.88 |
Stuff happens!!!! Plain and simple, stuff happens!!! This is a fallen world and has been fallen since Adam and Eve sinned. Stuff's been happening ever since to EVERYONE. Nobody gets to live a perfect pain free life. People who stay in GGWO have problems and people who leave GGWO have problems. Carl was spewing this nonsense about those who leave his "ministry" getting cursed or those who criticise him getting cursed to keep people in GGWO under his thumb to control them and use them. There is no curse for those who leave GGWO and Carl or question GGWO and Carl. I've spoken publicly against Carl and GGWO for over five years now and never got cancer and my overall health is about the same as it was since I was in GGWO. No drastic changes for the worse. Many other people can say the same thing!!! So where is the curse of Carl??? It doesn't exist!!! If someone did statistical studies of the quality of people's lives that are within GGWO versus those outside GGWO, I bet there would be no evidence that GGWO attendees have better lives!!!! Probably evidence to the contrary would show up!!!! Carl is just plain full of it!!!! This is yet another example of that!!! Carl may claim that those without his own vision perish because they left it. Not so!! Those who leave Carl's vision and find God's vision don't perish. They come back to life because they're now connected to God the Life Giver without some GGWO middleman getting in the way of things. If you're still in GGWO and want to find real life and purpose, the best first step you can make is to head straight for the exit and don't ever come back. Find a group of believers in Christ that value you, your individuality, you're own personal relationship with Christ and seek to build you up in Christ instead of trying to exploit you and claim you'll end up under some kind of curse if you ever leave the group!!! | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1150 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
and here I am standing out in front of this porno theater trying to sell hotdogs and just a wonderin' why oh why...must be the curse o' carl... | ||
| orangetwopay Advanced Member Username: orangetwopay Post Number: 548 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.34.165.86 |
lol, now just put on your "1,000,000% Satanic Garbage" T-shirt and you'll be set | ||
| shat_happens Intermediate Member Username: shat_happens Post Number: 300 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.59.1.234 |
Well, what bugs me, is that at the time of their leaving GG, some individuals/pastors were saying they were bothered by some of Carl/GGWO crap, but it was just within a 28 month time frame, and if you FN crazies are to be believed this BS has been going on for decades, not just months! I’m just iffy about the motivation behind the move, I mean, lets lead a church away from GG and then say it’s all because of antics that took place within a short time fame, but the past 20 or 30 years with Carl have been a blast and shouldn’t be over looked? It’s just when Carl got old and start taking meds and sayin’ stupid shat from the pulpit, and elected Shallow and head of the bidness…oh and didn’t make us head of GG in Baltimore that things went South? Maybe I’m just missing the boat on this one! It wouldn’t be the first time. For the record, I’m not talking any one church here; I’ve heard other have talked about the 28 (or whatever it was) time frame deal too! If Carl is an azzhole then it sure as shat didn’t start over night! | ||
| sidethorn Advanced Member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 964 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 169.253.4.21 |
It sure didn't start overnight. Carl's been a real jerk for decades leading people astray and taking advantage of them!!! Plenty of evidence exists to support that one. | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1153 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
what if there had been a worldwide instantly accessible electronic forum in which one could participate anonymously to put forward greivances without fear of retaliation and this had been available in say 1987 or back as far as 1972--would things have panned out differently? | ||
| orangetwopay Advanced Member Username: orangetwopay Post Number: 549 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.34.165.86 |
come now cordell... you know the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy was available back then oh yeah, i forgot: earthlings don't pay attention to the sub-ether network... | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1154 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
what! you think we should have petitioned to build a bypass through GGWO? moravia park needs a bypass doesn't it? maybe it's not too late! 42 | ||
| shat_happens Intermediate Member Username: shat_happens Post Number: 303 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.59.1.234 |
if they need a bypass so badly perhaps the money could be taken out of GG's famed "building fund!" which it seems every GG church world wide has one of this funny funds, yet no buildings ever get put up...huh!? | ||
| sidethorn Advanced Member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 966 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 169.253.4.21 |
Funny funds to enlarge the bank accounts of certain pastors!! | ||
| isabella Advanced Member Username: isabella Post Number: 717 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.31.11.230 |
Shat said: "Well, what bugs me, is that at the time of their leaving GG, some individuals/pastors were saying they were bothered by some of Carl/GGWO crap, but it was just within a 28 month time frame, and if you FN crazies are to be believed this BS has been going on for decades, not just months!" You are right, of course, Shat. Some people were silent from the time they left in, say, 1979, and only came forward when factnet came on...say, 2004. That's 25 years!!! That's because some people were not disturbed by his deception. For example, some of the people on this board were around way back, when Stevens had to climb out the window of the Wiscasset Church because he was...never mind. Like I said, Shat, you are right. Good Point, I think. Thanks and Goodnight, Isabella | ||
| listener Junior Member Username: listener Post Number: 49 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 199.46.198.234 |
Isabella, Perhaps some people were not disturbed. But many, particularly those with no power, were disturbed, but were apparently silent anyway. Many worked through the Biblical process - going in private, going with others, trying to love the sinner while hating the sin. When they were ostracized (I was not, that I am aware of), they chose to live the sermon on the mount, and take the abuse rather than return evil for evil. It is not just GG that teaches this - there IS a Biblical basis for the doctrine. And many, just could not imagine that it was worse for others. We only get to see our own stories, unless we share them. Just as the church for a long time shuffled abusive Priests from parish to parish, it was not recognized that there comes a time to speak up. And then, many did not know how. I appreciate all of the stories here - I learn a little from all, even those I disagree with. | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 78 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 80.223.33.226 |
If Carl Stevens (in Scandinavia there were Stevensson) is from the origin of jews in Germany (look the surname from list http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Germany/ ) we should remember what the Bible says: Gen 27: 29. "Let peoples serve thee, And nations bow down to thee: Be lord over thy brethren, And let thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: Cursed be every one that curseth thee, And blessed be every one that blesseth thee." But we do not neet to join C. H. Stevens, if he has gone astray from God, the Lord, by his false doctrines. But it is best to distance from him and leave him on his own..., because he is still in the apple of Gods eye and must be responsible to him straight... | ||
| david_munson Senior Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 3435 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 4.156.45.107 |
And to the Church for discipline concerning his refusal to correct his manipulative and erronious doctrines. Such disciplne being set forth in God's Word. Bring him before the whole body so that others will fear God and obey His commands. Such steps having been taken after many times of "going alone and then with two or three." Since this Biblical precept has been ignored by Carl and company,we have the situation that is now before us. Open disclosure. Baruch Hashem Adonia, dave } | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.70.217 |
Thanks David. Is David Zeiden familiar to you? He has made a doctoral thesis about Islamics and Middle East Area: http://www.angelfire.com/az/rescon/ Most ashtonising thing to us (me, my husband and son) was to last week learn, that we are half-jews, because on both sides our grandfathers have been supposedly jews and same surnames are on the Jewish Gen org. databases... That is why I felf spiritually one with Carl, because of this racial origin, but doctrinally I separated quickly after noticing the heresy of him. God bless you David! I still choose after this all Jesus to be my saviour and believe that he is the son of God and hope jews in the world will soon learn the same... Though my son has received an invitation from Rabbi Laitmans organisation to contact but he does not dare to... and I am not sure, do we need the knowledge of Kabbalah at all? Isn't the Bible totally (New and Old Testament) enough for jews that have been adopted to Christian churches? | ||
| whatsup Intermediate Member Username: whatsup Post Number: 328 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.61.30.105 |
as Charlie B would say...Good Grief | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.70.217 |
Yes, whatsup, I searched the Jewish database but did not give my ID there for I do not know who really is behind that stuff. But there is found Munson surname, Stevens and a large list of Schaller, also the surnames that are around my personality. So the truth is out there, we indeed belong to a BODY. Even now when I go to work I am aware that my boss and colleagues are half-jews and somebody from an upper stage has arraged this... that we can earn our living. On the other hand I am so glad to belong to God chosen ones... But last night I felt so unhappy about those names, who perished at the concentration camps and shared universal grief that cannot be measured. God has all in his hands, his kingdom will come and done one day entirely and the wrong ones will get their payment. So let us not harass our brothers and sisters but advice them with love and care, you too, whatsup? And about Kabbala, it is a collection of ancient explanations of Torah and wisdom, not Gods words, but the words of Jewish elders and pharisees, so Kabbalah does not save anybody, and can be put in same books as Kalevala or other mystery books... bye bye to you. I'll go to work now, as a member of BODY of ISRAEL. | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1173 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
sister mary...are you on acid? | ||
| david_munson Senior Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 3439 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 4.156.105.73 |
You checked my name out hey? Here's one for you. I am related to Carl Stevens on my mothers side. She is a Stevens. It is a distant relation but a relation none the less. Not that it makes any difference. } | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 81 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.70.14 |
I am not on acid, I have my eyes wide open and dare to face the truth about ourselves. Congratulations! There's nothing to worry about. Our only worry maybe skinheads and newfascists... but God knows all and his angel will be with us always, always... No curse or anything will happen to those who live in Christ, even they are anybody, from any race, any hair- or skincolor, nothing will happen without Gods will. Gal. 3: 28-29. Period. | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 82 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.70.14 |
Sis' Mary will deal like this with all curse: http://www.kenmeyerjr.com/comics/sismary.html | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 83 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
But is GGWO leadership really run by jewish originated Christians? For example name Scibelli is found on the database of Germany http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/ But what do real jews think about this "Body"? May be they think: a cult...? when they listen: Vows Given by God Dec. 10, 2006 PM - Tape # 9080 | ||
| orangetwopay Advanced Member Username: orangetwopay Post Number: 553 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.32.35.148 |
lol this is classic stuff. we need sister mary to contribute to LW.... | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 84 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
I Listened to pastors warning numbers, was it 14 or 15: "Do not attack the Body of Christ" (it means GGWO and other, even they sin...". So, orangetwopay, I cannot write to LW, because it will be attacking the Body... or ? Listen to Corps Brothers 2 song, that ends in words "by its beauty and grace"... http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=79b4f57e2f3eb7fe19b53fac44d98eb7.887346 Have grace, grace, grace, love, love, love, but do not ever attack the Body of grace, grace, grace... because then you will be just a waste, waste, waste. I am getting nuts with this jzxhlsckzzzzymmmpphh!!! Love: sister nutty - Mary... | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 86 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
Rev. 22: 14. "Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 15. Without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie." I think this means a spiritual mind of eating all kinds of rotten and vomits and ••••••• here and there. The Bible verse does not mean dogs are cursed as animals. Think, now there has been founded a Dog Chapel!!! http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/VTSTJdogchapel.html Name suggestion: Doggie Ones Grace Synagogue = DOGS. Maybe some Christian Homo Sapiens creatures resemble our furry friends, because they bark strangers, lick their loved ones, wave their tales only tho those they trust, go to the floor lying when told, jump when told, run and fetch the stick or bone when told, are tremendously faithful to their owners, never critisize, grumble when needed and •••• on every statue, learn when taught in a behaviorist manner (a bisquit or stick for reward)and howl when missing their boss and hound their enemies and looking very ashame when not obeying the master??? Somebody preached in sermon "Wows Given by God" that "we need not to change"! Well not even a dog can get its fur away, it stinks quickly after shampooing and trimming, very soon stinks as excrement. But still I myself love dogs, specially a smoothy foxterrier. I had one for six years and it died when it was 14 years old. What a Girl she was and her name was a Royal Wolfhearted Marzipan! If I enter the Kingdom of God, and to the Thousand years episode on the earth when the richeous reign, I will ask my dog being recreated again. I believe God will answer that, and we can have stinky fun with my foxterrier again! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Terrier The world has gone astray, astray... | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 87 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
There is no curses for dogs! Can you ever resist Woofy Dog song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3cjYzrmzAg I love it! Happy Christmas to all creatures in the world! | ||
| whatsup Intermediate Member Username: whatsup Post Number: 329 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.61.30.105 |
and there are some very STRANGE creatures out there in the world..... | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1187 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 209.184.56.178 |
there's gotta be a 12 step program out there for you sister mary... | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 89 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
I am under a weird curse, blood pressure is about 170/100. I think I have found the twelve steps to survive: 1. Love God 2. Love your neighbor 3. Love yourself 4. Love your Pastor 5. Love your Pastors wife 6. Love your pets 7. Love kids 8. Love young ones 9. Love strangers 10. Love angels 11. Love nature and colors 12. Love life! Maybe it makes my day a bit funny, if I forget to take my Thyroxin pill!!! I do not use any kind of controlled substances..., not even smoke. http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-15894.html  | ||
| whatsup Intermediate Member Username: whatsup Post Number: 330 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.61.30.105 |
perhaps you should consider some kind of controlled substance | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1191 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 209.184.56.178 |
what about uncontrolled substances? | ||
| ariel Intermediate Member Username: ariel Post Number: 165 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 71.162.12.81 |
What in the hell have you been smoking Sister Mary? Are you in a convent now? Why the Sister Mary moniker? never mind... please just explain to me without all the mystical bullcrap; Why is loving your kids so much lower in priority on your list than "loving your pastor" and "loving your pastors wife" ??? | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 90 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
You are right Ariel. I did not put the list in the right order, but accidentially. Of course I love children and young people and all kind of people what ever age they are or state. I did not mean to put any kind of order of my list. I am not afraid of death. I have had two times near death experiences: after I left the Bible Speaks from Taasjarvi, Finland, I had a severe lung inflammation and one night I saw in my dream that I rose from my body rapidly (in one second) to the sky and my ordinary clothes changed into white and my hair began dazzling like gold and I felt amazingly joyful. But next second I was back in my body and I was disappointed. Last year at February I had a minor heart attack and saw myself in a second in the space near the moon and I watched the earth: it was wonderfully blue and white, like a Australian gem and the next second I was back again. The doctor took an EEG film from my heart and it was registered that I had a minor heart attack (it stopped beating) and that is why I have to take one pill of Ramipril (blood pressure medicin) every day. So BS and CHS experience has made me ill, but I can still work and study. So that is what mind control can cause, not a curse! (1 Cor. 13: 1-10). -------------------- Satans works in Finland: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=1284416 Just this week the papers told about a husband that stabbed his wife to death with 69 knifestabs... because she wanted a divorce. The husband mishandled his wife for 15 years, think about that and then the man killed his wife in front of his little 2-year daughters eyes! What a cursed life! | ||
| whatsup Intermediate Member Username: whatsup Post Number: 332 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.61.30.105 |
well now, that explains a lot...your body was brought back to life but your mind stayed in outer space | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 91 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
I will explain to Ariel the meaning of my words: 1. Love God: the First Commandment in Tora 2. Love your neighbor: the commandment of Jesus Christ 3. Love yourself: the commandment of Jesus connected with previous things, it includes your family members and congregation members that are also parts of the Body of Christ as you are 4. Love kids: Jesus commanded this, because they inherit heaven when being inasent 5. Love young ones: because they bring future to us and love truth if well treated 6. Love strangers: because God taught so by Moses 7. Love your Pastor: the commandment of apostle Paul, because the pastor is responsible for your soul to God and congregation 8. Love your Pastors wife: pay respect to pastors wife, because she does all she can, that the pastor can do his duties well as a shepherd. She is a vital part of the Pastor, and needs also respect. She is not only the pastors extension. 9. Love your pets means that you will never harm any animal if not needed for food or selfdefence. 10. Love angels, and do not annoy them, but ask for help when needed 11. Love nature and colors, because Gods works are seen in it. It is commanded by God to Adam and his descendants to protect the nature. 12. Love life, because God has given it to you and Jesus is Life! Merry Christmas! If I stop writing, I have gone to Gods better stage of life, do not worry... | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1193 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 209.184.56.178 |
sister mary and neil, whatsup and daved could all go out for a beer...whatsup wouldn't that send you over the edge? | ||
| whatsup Intermediate Member Username: whatsup Post Number: 333 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.61.30.105 |
yes, over the edge and most likely to the penitentiary for murder.....oh you forgot to include Jim Buckley to make the insane asylum complete. We could have a little bible study.....Neil could preach from the Gospel of Thomas, and Daved could preach about what is God's true name, and Sister Mary could babble pointlessly about random things, and Jim B. could tell them how "off" they all were | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 92 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
Polly-parrot talks again... You guys made me really happy! Lets start a new congregation to all nations called JimNeiWhaDaCordSisMa (JNWDCSM = Jeeves New Wittness Dormitory Chapel a'la Sanctus Mary): There is on the front side the average chapel that also has a Bible shop and a sister choir (that consist only of most beautiful nuns) and at the backside a gambling table, amusement and restbeds, moviecorner for stirring, fridge for refreshments, and at the backyard a common steam sauna etc... I laughed so much that tears came out of my eyes... You do not need to arrange any mur, because my Pentecostal husband last weekend loved a lot and showed an odd film about John Carpenter's Ghost's of Mars: http://www.thezreview.co.uk/reviews/j/johncarpentersghostsofmars.htm So isn't this half-jew husband and Pentecostal man a jolly and loving husband to me? How well he takes care of my spiritual growth!!! Speacially my husband loved the part, when the leaders (she was a woman) head was cut of and put on a stage with other ones... Or would it be safer for us to visit a better Synagogue Church of All Nations instead? http://www.themaninthesynagogue.org/ | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 93 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
Jeeves New Wittness Dormitory Chapel a'la Sanctus Mary announces: The childish minded congregation members can get inspired: http://www.askforkids.com/ greetings from Jolly Polly sister Mary... | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
"and Sister Mary could babble pointlessly about random things" You whatsup sound like Thomas Schaller in Helsinki 1977 spring, when he ran after me and I questioned him about false teachings about CHS Liquid Waves anointment, when he said to me in a furious tone:"You have no holy spirit at all!" So if I have no Holy Spirit, what is the spirit in me that confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and died on the cross and has resurrected and sits on the throne and come back again, maybe in near future? What is the spirit in me, that says we must repent our sin and forgive and love our family, church and other people without any question as Jesus has taught us? You did not answer me, Thomas, and you turned away and went back to hold your precious sermon without me and I went home for thirty years wondering why you said I have no Holy Spirit? What was your point of view? Why did you condemn an 18-year girl who was a virgin at that time and did not want to follow you?? U •••••••! I am angry now! | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 95 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
T.S., you violated my soul. You are a soulrapist. I disgust you. You are just manure in my eyes. Filth. How can Liza stand you? Why is she so meek to you? Has she any own opinions and own will. Have you ever committed XXXXXXXX against her? Where is her place when she becomes old and wrinkled? Do you love her as yourself? I saw Lisa afterwards I left you. She said that she loves me. I love her too. You will not answer because you are full of your CHS LW stuff. It is your anointment and covering. You are not moved and you still babble about the snake and the egg story in your sermons today as thirty years ago. Watch up: did CHS give you an egg or a snake, when you asked for bread (Jesus life)? Or whats up now? You have become pretty old and your voice is not so honeysounded as thirty years ago. Indeed, it sounds like an old man, who is soon retiring with his gathered fortune far away from this all... How much have you benefitted from your followers? | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 96 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
And one thing, Thomas: you said to me at that road in Helsinki Metsala suburb road only one devilish answer to my question what do you want? "I want your soul!" I said you cannot have it, nobody but Christ can have it and then we departed. Even my husband does not own my soul, he loves my body and soul in his own way but does not want to posses them not even my money or anything. Though he is not perfect and is sometimes spiritually tense I respect him a lot about that he does not want to posses my soul. I can think what I want in my soul. But I have noticed that he surrounds me with his prayers every day... I love you Elohims Named Sacred Immanuel Oak. It is good to prosper under your branches, though sometimes oaknuts fall over my head, like this Mars-film. You understand my past in BS, but do not understand, why I still am soulatteched to that cult. It is a spiritual drug, how can I ever get rid of it? By letting me to be alone in this wilderness, totally alone and processing this on my own with FactNet writers too. Maybe you are wise and protect your soul from all this, my dear Elohims Named Sacred Immanuel Oak! | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 97 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
Have You Any Bread? Dec. 13, 2006 PM - Tape # 9081 Isn't it awsome, - we are alive - they are dead - we have bread - they haven't - we are connected - they aren't connected - we have life - they are dead... Awsome! | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 98 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
Well, it is awsome to forgive and be forgiven, so my anger has gone away after those turbulent talks and think about Jesus as a born child, his youth and adult age and near death experience in Getsemane garden, how he sweat blood because of the worlds sins. And how he worried about his peoples future before crusifiction by these words: Luke 23: 29. For behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts that never gave suck. So the barren church bares only aborted children or nothing at all, its womb is without the Blessing (Jesus Christ as Lord) and its breasts are not filled with milk but filled with charismatic liquid waves that do not feed or give growth to spiritual babies... The church today in many countries is a harlot church and we all are members of this harlot... or are we? Well, a two-minded teaching leads to two-minded followers, that kind of personalities we are, if and when we do differently than we talk, including me myself. So, that is the worst curse, to be or not to be...just a formal member in the congregation... | ||
| whatsup Intermediate Member Username: whatsup Post Number: 335 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.61.30.105 |
Good Grief | ||
| orangetwopay Advanced Member Username: orangetwopay Post Number: 561 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 75.32.36.200 |
preach it sister mary! http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/12/sister-mary-brings-her-um-thoughts.html | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 106 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
Thanks, art is a way to survive in this chaos. You will find more about Modern ART from Artmuseum Kiasma in Helsinki: http://typo.kiasma.fi/index.php?id=1178&L=1&FL=1 | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 87.94.51.104 |
I have looked my photo and compared to CHS photo. We resemble each other and that is really weird. But it can have an explanation, if we are originated from same racial roots. Also my grandmother was a liberalist woman and after she became a widow after 2. World war, there were some men visiting her little cottage... and she got pregnant to three different men and once she told me that an evangelist visited her cottage. This evangelistman rambled around Finland and also warned my granma about sinful life and Gods chastisement and she just laughed, but then she got pregnant... and my mother was born, though a other man had also visited granma, so we never know, who was my mothers real dad... In Sweden there has been a movie made about a religious group who went after a prophet to Israel and founded there a settlement and the pastor made a countryside woman before that pregnant, though she was already married... So these things happen, weird things... But this evangelistman that rebuked my granmother had a special anointment and he became mad, when granma laughed to him and he said that she will not hear the gospel anymore and a few months later granma got an earinflammation and became deaf... So here is some folklore that maybe true, maybe not... | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 204 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.36.184 |
Today my "soulbird Polly" is weeping: my favorite Finnish pop-singer Kirka Babizin died and also this week my mother had a minor heart attack. That reminds to me that we should be always serious when thinking about the future: where will we spend our eternity? Kirka made serious effots to get his son away from drugs. Maybe the son will now be serious after dad passed away... Kirkas site: http://www.kirka.com/ Also listen to Bridge Over Troubled Waters (Simon et Garfunkel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGbnOmOzW-o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGbnOmOzW-o  | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 205 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.36.184 |
And here are the Creatures 1966: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12MOJSrl9zE Aren't Finnish women really primitive drinking "Koskenkorva" that is Finnish 30-50% alcohol in the birchwoods and later they tried even drugs with guys... And where did they get their example? From America of course, from Woodstock? So maybe Bible Speaks did something good in the seventies, many left drugs because of the spiritual drug, the cult of the Body of Love...that CHS and others brought here! | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 206 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.36.184 |
So the curse is that anyone, who leaves the sacred Body will loose their religion? And then they are not people, they are only creatures? Well, better to be a stinky creature than a smelly pharisee! God bless all creatures! I love my mum. She is great and believe she will recover from the heartattack and have many nice years left... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7vs21ZKrKM&mode=related&search= | ||
| sidethorn Senior Member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 1031 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.143.132.88 |
I like being a stinky creature much better. Sure beats being a modern day pharisee trying to live up to a bunch of man made rules that he can never keep. Always striving but never quite attaining. Living in a world of denial that is blind to reality. Never think, just blindly trust, obey, and follow the master pharisee to stay in God's favor. Stay with the master pharisee in 'the body' or be forever cursed for leaving. That pharisee taught you that leaving him was leaving God's will and would bring divine judgement upon you. Disobey him and you're disobeying God. Speak against him and you're speaking against God's specially anointed and then you'll really get judged. But things are not what they seem. Carl Stevens the master pharisee put all these lies in peoples' minds to entrap people to serve himself for the rest of their lives. Such a world of illusion. How many times are unsuspecting Christians and people looking for something more in life lured into GGWO and led astray by Carl and his in crowd??? Carl preached a level of truth and half truth to entice people, and mixed in outright lies to lead them astray in his world of illusion. People deeply into GGWO are led to believe they have the 'truth' that others lack, new special teaching you can't find anywhere else, a leadership with special anointing of God nobody else has, a leadership so close to God that they're every word is God's, a body of followers that's closer to God than anyone else, and a spiritual superiority and closeness to God that the others don't have. If those decieved by the Carl illusion only knew the men they follow are self appointed frauds, that their leaders' words frequently contradict the words of God, their service and sacrifice for the church was for selfish men instead of God, that the rest of the body of Christ has much more truth than 'the body' at GGWO has, their following of rules was following the edicts of self serving men for their own good, their leaders really were not God anointed, but self anointed, their leaders were not God appointed but self appointed, their whole world was a lie, all those years spent for GGWO were spent for nothing but corrupt leaders' desires and agendas. Sounds like a cursed existance in a bunch of ways. So in a way, this could be the real curse of Carl. Not a curse for leaving Carl or GGWO, but a curse for staying. Staying in a life of deception and bondage to men. That's a cursed existance. Get out of that cursed existance, leave GGWO for good!!! There's no curse for leaving Carl, GGWO, or 'the body'!!! Carl and his cronies are full of it!!! The way to find real life and freedom in Christ is to get up, head for the door, and never come back. The world out there that GGWO leaders condemn is where the real truth and life in Christ really is. Get out there and find it!! | ||
| bjerwin Advanced Member Username: bjerwin Post Number: 507 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 65.32.219.65 |
How many times are unsuspecting Christians and people looking for something more in life lured into GGWO and led astray by Carl and his in crowd??? All very true sidethorn. For those who came freely (rather than were brought by parents) I think we all for many different reasons came to this church. But I know I for one stayed because of this reason. We were "choice" Christians. We were in the "premier" ministry. As we found out that what was preached wasn't lived by those in the lead, we left. Why do some stay longer than others? Perhaps they see the deception, but they have been fed these lies so long, that they are "choice" Christians, that they figure it's better to stay. I would tell all those still in any church that preaches one thing and does another, like Sidethorn above.... GET OUT. There ARE very good churches, very good families, outside of this ministry. I know it is "cozy" and familiar; however, if you choose Jesus and love the Word, you will go somewhere that teaches Him and Him alone. | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 208 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.36.184 |
Thanks guys. You are right. We must leave GGWO for good, even those sermons that are presented by their internet-TV and Grace Hour. Even they may brainwash a person slowly and surely, though you have got out physically from the cult, but spiritually are still depending for a dose of Carls sermons and speech, because he has a talent of speaking in an interesting and convincing way! I sometimes wonder that even making joke and silly caricatures of our past experiences and making jokes about people that are still in the cult is a sign that we ourselves have not totally got rid of the cult so long as it takes even a bit of our time? | ||
| sidethorn Senior Member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 1032 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.143.132.88 |
Carl Stevens claimed that those outside GGWO could contaminate those within GGWO with the 'poison' of false teaching. The opposite is true. Carl dispensed his 'poison' for decades to those who listened to him and believed in him. Carl's poison is what's contaminating the people. That's why its a bad idea to keep listening to him even if its just by way of tapes, or the Grace Hour. Carl's twisted teaching will affect you given enough time. There's much better teaching out there that will truly edify instead of bind one up in bondage to men like Carl's teaching. That's where I'd much rather spend my time. So much better. | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 209 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.66.91 |
Carl Stevens has also in his messages told that anyone who becomes a backslidden person from the Body of Christ will be dropped into immorality and sexually bad behavings and Gods judgement after sinning against the Body. What do you think about these texts about Christian sexualism, are these texts OK or are they heresy???? What did GGWO or the Bible Speaks really teach about Christian sexuality in the Bible School before and today? Is it normal Christianity to divorse your wife or husband and marry a new Christian in the Body? Is masturbating and using sexual equipment right if your spouse is sexually not interesting enough or impotent or become ugly, old, wrinkled and fat or sexual life is just boring... http://www.sexinchrist.com/pornography.html  | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1489 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 67.79.34.66 |
Sister Mary, Sex is intimate. Therefore sex ought to be private. If it is not private, it would not be intimate but rather promiscous. There is no such thing as the Easter Bunny. There is no such thing as Christian porn. GGWO's teaching included Carl's odd divine design teaching and Tommyboy's 'dirtytalk' teaching. You can't get balanced teaching on human sexuality from people who hide their own sexual sin and the sin of others. | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 210 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.66.91 |
Yea, I think that link leads in heresial behavings and in not right attitudes about Christian sexuality. Apostle Paul taught clearly about these things in the Bible 1Cor. 7. You complain that you sell hot dogs beside a porn theatre. Why must you do so? Is a Christian man or a woman a sinner, if you must sell in a candykiosk or shop also pornmagazines (Hustler etc.) and condomes, beer and tobacco to earn your wages? Then you sanctify your wages giving the tithes to the church and the "dirty money" becomes sanctified because it is given to the Body of Christ? I once met a Christian lady and she told that she was a waitress in the biggest restaurant -hotel in the world and immediately I asked is it right to serve people who go after having a good meal and wines to a nightclub and in late night watching sex videos in the hotel room? She could not answer that. Giving tithes from the wages to the church is enought to make the work and the money sanctified... | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1491 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
Sister Mary, It's a long story. Long ago and far away, in the old church in Maine where Carl began his ministry, there was a youth pastor named Skip Hart. During the first 'trial' that Carl went through, this fellow left the church. Along with the 'five men died', 'so and so got cancer of the tongue'--there was the story of Skip Hart who after he left and spoke against Carl, he lost his faith, backslid and was reduced to 'selling hot dogs at the porno theater'--all part of the 'Curse Of Carl' so I always joke that that's what I do for an occupation. You want mustard with that? Actually, I am very fortunate not to have my hotdog stand in the same town as Bruder5 (who comes from a long line of drunk men, pretends to be an aging hippie with a radio show, but is actually a counselor) his very successful hotdog stand is next to a much more popular bi-lingual porno theater and I understand he has several types of bratwurst available along with the sauerkraut... (Message edited by cordell on February 06, 2007) | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 211 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.66.91 |
Now I understand you a bit better! I recommend to you a huge hot dog that is filled with Finnish Musta Makkara (Finnish Black Sausage that is made of bloody minced meat and haves also barley grains and beetroot color in it) with onion and cucumber relish and some HP-sauce and Tabasco drops in it! I do not eat myself any bloody sausages because of my faith, but Finnish people and foreigners love the Tampere Black Sausage because of its wonderful taste! It has even a better taste than German bratwurst! | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 212 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.66.91 |
Here is a picture of Tampere Musta Makkara (Tampere Black Sausage): http://www.reklaamikari.fi/musta/sausage.html | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1497 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
so you are a Jehovah's Witness? | ||
| sister_mary Intermediate Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 214 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.66.91 |
No. I am a half-Jew. And Jews do not eat blood.  | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1502 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
so the half of you that is Jewish is the part with the mouth? let's not get into all the other rules that might keep you outside the camp on certain days--good thing that half is Gentile, no? | ||
| iris Member Username: iris Post Number: 64 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 62.248.235.79 |
The Finnish Pentecostals don't eat blood either. | ||
| cordell Senior Member Username: cordell Post Number: 1504 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.69.35.7 |
Yeah, but can they sing like Twila Paris? | ||
| shat_happens New member Username: shat_happens Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.59.1.234 |
This post is perfect for what happened to this thread...thread rape! http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2006/02/thread-thwarters.html | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 55 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 84.251.127.106 |
I thought that I had nothing to say anymore and said to my husband that I will not write here any more. But what happened last week? I saw a horrible dream: CHS was dressed in light blue suit that was designed to a baby boy and was talking 'throne words' and I was in that dream with the cult very nicely worshipping with others... Then I waked up with cold sweat and measured my blood pressure, it was about 180/104 and pulse over 70!!! And then later I was walking in Helsinki and got my leg got strained from the knee when avoiding a car trying to drive over me and I stepped into a hole in the street and auch, my knee was hurt... Huh, I am now walking with awsome pain and putting Mobilate and Hirudoid-medicin on the knee... I am not sure if I am a half-jew but my grandfathers grandmonther and grandfather were maybe jews from Sweden that changed their name, and greatgrandmothers surname resembled a common surname that I found they perished in consentration camps (many hundreds of them) around Europe and as refugees in Eastern Europe. I saw in my eyes all the horror they experienced and felt one day total devastation in my spirit and mourned them and thought how I can be still alive, oh God, that is the reason, why I love so much Israeli music and customs and want to be a Messianic Jew. But because we are not sure about this thing, we still eat sausages and all kinds of meat except blood... Hope my knee gets better and that the curse of Carl will not come me any more in my dreams... What does a blue suit mean in dreams? http://youtube.com/watch?v=bHhAQxDoZGk Dreams tell something about our personality, also they subconsciously warn us, for example, if you see a dream about giving sacrifice, it maybe mean: "A ritual sacrifice in a dream might represent cold-heartedness or lack of compassion (either knowingly or unknowingly), and/or doing evil in the name of good when the action is only causing harm and doing no good. Doing something harmful, thinking that it does some good when it actually doesn't. http://www.mydreamvisions.com/dictionary-s.htm ." Well, a little bird (looked like a soulbird or came to see me this day and I believe that I will cope this health problem and start to do my final studies about a certain matter... http://www.visual-worlds.de/Seelenvogelen.htm In Finland we in Kalevala-poetry talk about a soulbird as sielulintu that brings life to a human when born and takes it away when death comes, also protecting dreams... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_paganism | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 56 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 84.251.127.106 |
Thank you for praying for me: this morning I measured my bloodpressure normal: 148/89 and heartbeat 69! Because He lives, I can face tomorrow!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b46sa4ZQ3rM&mode=related&search= I wish my knee will soon get well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbgBtVEuSW4&mode=related&search= so that I can dance religious dance before the Lord like my colleague here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyark7JEeGM  | ||
| sister_mary Member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 57 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 84.251.127.106 |
My right knee and leg has been hurting nearly one week so that walking is difficult. So this incident may have a purpose: I have time to think, pray and listen to the worlds voices. This morning I went to my greenhouse and saw the wonderful morning sun shining and the mist had covered the grass and I sent to Jesus my prayer, that He would forgive to me and others crusifying him and I said I would never been in that gang if I would have been alive two thousand years ago and asked forgiveness if any of my ancestors have been involved in Jesus sufferings. Suddenly a wonderful peace filled my heart, I knew this prayer was accepted above and never, never again any curse can touch me anymore. So I think this song "On my knees" is very beautiful and to all ex-Bible Speakers and ex-GGWO-members being in true prayer before God and confessing his Majesty will bring true peace; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nG1PWtAcck&mode=related&search= Well, maybe this gospel-song is a different view than this OTP-vision: http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2004/08/staying-under-man-of-god.html#comments |
