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     voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 160 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.152 |
For anyone interested a complaint has been filed against RSE with the Attorney General's Department, Tacoma, Washington. Address: P.O. Box 2317 (1019 Pacific Ave-3rd Fl) Tacoma, WA, 98401-2317. Phone: (253) 5932904 In Washington call toll free: 1-800-551-4636 File#TAC -257291 Handled by Gail Feagins,Complaint Analyst, Consumer Protection Division. The complaint is a total of about 25 pages and there is a response from the Lawyer of JZ Knight (14 pages). It seems RSE has nothing to do with religion unless it becomes very convenient to call it that. An eye opener. Any complaints lodged with the AG office are on public record. (Message edited by voidgate on December 01, 2006) | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Wonder who is RESPONSIBLE for CREATING YOUR OWN REALITY.... It really does not exist????? Smil.e The big question is, will she acknowledge that IT IS HER REALITY NOW... I say this in jest... but it is funny. She preaches that we create our own reality... and EVERYTHiNG can be changed... How can anyone be against her if she creates her DAY... the way she wants... Perhaps she wanted the States Attorney office to check her school out.... Watch the DOuBLE TALK NOW... smile. This looks like a GREAT opportunity for the MASTER to WALK HER TALK.... Create you day.... Enjoy. | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 215 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.104.206 |
Thank you Voidgate, Yes... a real eye opener... JZ Knight is a classical example of somebody abusing the First Amendment Rights of this country to run a dictatorship with zero accountability.... all in the name of religious freedom. File#TAC -257291 the Attorney General's Department. Lets hope the Attorney General takes note on this one. All it takes to run a totalitarian cult in this country is to call it a religion… Jim Jones built his empire under the same protections… David | ||
| in_the_zone Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 52 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
What is the nature of the complaint? | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 161 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.6 |
ITZ, The complaint is mutifaceted. You could request a copy of the complaint and response from LARSE@ywave.com This avenue is available for sincere objectors only. No undercover agents. (Message edited by voidgate on December 02, 2006) | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
I am very intersted in this... truly what can you complain about... everyone who attends are FREE to live... and you could say ultimately that we are each SELF RESPONSIBLE. I too have spends thousands of dollars at these types of events with both Mafu and Ramtha... in the early days, the Ramtha events were a lot more expensive. Being a Cult... really, it is difficult to pin point at what point you become programmed. I want to watch the outcome of this. I am very curious as to what laws are truly broken... being that we have freedom of speech and at RSE they do have the open door. It is hard to find a TRUE CRIME, considering the fact that people who attend go with their own free will. Help me to understand what laws were actually broken. I clearly see the bad side of this the DREAM that is being sold but IS THAT A CRIME? Is RSE a 501(C)3 Religious Non-Profit... anyone know? | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 264 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
my understanding is that rse is a FOR-profit organization. unless it was stated as an untruth, students were told that ms. knight did pay taxes, and chose not to file under the religion heading that would allow her to avoid them. there was a story that went along with that, about religions, and about them not paying taxes. i would disagree that rse's "open door" is as open as some might like folks to believe. there are times students are told they are to STAY, and if they try to leave, (most wouldn't even try but some have), then there is a lot of pressure. i know two people who got chastised by "ramtha" for insisting that they be let out, when they were told to stay. i think it's fair to say they were verbally disciplined in front of the audience. part of that included being told, "when i tell you to stay, i mean stay." in order for the two people to leave (temporarily), one of them made up a dramatic story about a health concern. it's telling, that it was necessary for that person to go so far, just to leave the premises. during wine ceremonies nobody is allowed to leave the property for 8 hours AFTER the wine ceremony is over. there had been issues with drunk drivers (to say the least). accidents happened and innocent people were affected by drunken rse students driving home from events. for some, that became a daytime pattern, also. to this day, there has been an "update" put onto the rse msg board, stating that if students ARRIVE at the events drunk, they'll be told to leave and kicked out of school for a full year and have to start over. that they had to post that, should speak volumes about the overindulgence of alcohol there. as of 2006, wine ceremonies continue to occur. at one of them during the summer, a person was hit by the "teacher". he needed to be put in his place (insert sarcasm). i don't think any of us here are attorneys, so all we could comment on would be speculative. i (personally) would also say that just because someone doesn't see what "crime" was perpetrated, considering all things at rse, that it doesn't exist. or that it hasn't been litigated elsewhere, under similiar circumstances. dig deeper, and you may be surprised at what you uncover. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
I agree, I clearly do see crimes and broken lives.... remember when Ramtha would say... LEAVE YOUR DEAD MUELS BEHIND.... referring to your family, friends and in general anyone who was not part of the group. Yes, there is lots of pressure.... but also, each little event is One Choice. There is also the feeing that you will LOOSE your connection to God in these groups... and the human EGO, in its psychi does not want to be on bad terms with their Divine Access to God... so that also becomes a MOTIVATING factor. I have seen many things morally and in good common tast that is incorrect... but just as I read the Answers to the complaint... they are protected by the religious umbrella they exist under.... and freedom to worship. I am not an attorney either, in the case of the Mafu organization it is different because there is a form of slavery, drugs, sexual abuse and beatings that happen there, they would have a good case for the Attorney's office. However, in that group too, it is difficult to find those to come forward and file a formal complaint. They don't want to make their Divine Access of GOD Mad with them... that is the constant rub, so they put up with all the crazy stuff. Anything you say, is just a student that has left the teachings and no longer happy with the group. I agree that just because we you don't SEE a crime it doesn't exist... but then, the Legal Eyes are looking for specifics. Smile. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
If you stand back and look at it, I am sure you will agree that you did receive some good things from listening to Ramtha, as I have with both of the groups, the error was in the presentation to DESTROY you're LIFE in the name of God Realization. Either these two beings do not know the quality of their students or they came to destroy lives and create tent cities. They are BOTH selling a DREAM ... an impossible DREAM... In later years of Mafu, he has been preparing the students to DIE and have a better incarnation. So, now, the message has changed. Clearly to be objective the ones who were able to stay in these groups for long periods of time, ALREADY had their FAT financial bank accounts or had on-going business deals that allowed them to RIDE the WAVE a long time. But since both groups PREACH that the world only creates SLAVES when you work for others... how on earth did they think their students would continue to support them self if all of their money was going to attend the NEXT EVENT.... or to stay in the MASTERY Groups? The crime is, far to many people in both groups have lost everything in the HOPE of a DREAM of InSTANT MANIFESTATION.... the word that is hung over their head is INSTANT.... Ramtha talked about BMW's falling from the heavens. Mafu talked about DRAWING by the PRESENCE of SELF. ( He did not teach C&E... he taught CHANGE YOUR BRAIN WAVE with Meditation and Chanting... and you change your electrical field... a CHRIST DRAWS by the PRESENCE of self. A different SPIN but the same concept. It is my personal opinion that these girls BELIEVED what their LORD's were saying... the only problem was, NO ONE... MASTERED ANYTHING but the MASTERY of POVERTY... In both groups, eventually the older students would leave... and when you leave, you are left at the good graces of friends who were in the group. I heard that Penny from the Mafu group did give the students $100.00 to leave and re-start their life... this is hirsay, it was what was told to me. But truly $100.00 is nothing to start again... after these people lost their homes, familes, businesses and money. Perhaps we should ALL collectively WRITE a BOOK... we could assign chapters, and then PROMOTE IT... to at least get the word out there about GETTING REAL with your Spiritual Self-Realizations. We could use a lot of the post here too. Just a thought. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
It could be called... Our Stories.... I think JZ had a book named My Story. LOL We could go on the talk show circut and promot it... I am sure it would be a BEST SELLER... We might even get to be on Ophra.... smile. Smiles... | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 162 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.180 |
The avenue of getting a copy of the Attorney General complaint and reponse from LARSE is no longer available. If you are sincerely interested it is on public record at the Attorney General's office. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Hi Voidgate.... was there a problem. I have not sent it or spoke to anyone about it. Did I write something that was in error and not appropriate? I do appologize if I did, I was just giving my own personal point of view about these types of groups. Did not mean to offend anyone. Smile. | ||
| naturegirl New member Username: naturegirl Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.18.11.144 |
I do agree with writing a book, I am in. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Well that is two of us... We only need about 5 people... but could use more if we find them... If each person wrote 4 Sections Each... 1st Who they were when Before and How did they FIRST find Ramtha & Mafu / and what their life was like... (I studied with both of them so I want to include both) 2nd - Their Personal Experience while attending the schools... What they did, what they were believeing, what questions did they have... what did they like and dis like ect. 3rd - Why they left... What did they see that created enought QUESTIONS within to leave... 4th - What are they doing now with their life and What wisdom was gained by the life experience. It something like this was followed, or something similar, I think most could easily write THEIR STORY... within the book... Our Stories... | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 163 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.228 |
Secrets, RSE is not set up like the Mafu organization. RSE is a division of J.Z. Knight Inc. J.Z. Knight has other businesses also. I am not certain how many. RSE is a Washington Corporation that falls under the Consumer Protection Act. It does not fall under the jurisdiction of the Washington State Board of Education. A representative from the Board of Education advised theat the AG department is the appropriate avenue for objection. Another avenue is a private attorney. All of the presenters at RSE ("Ramtha and the teachers) emphasize that it is not a religion. It appears to be a religion when it is useful for certain attorney's to call it that. RSE also must comply with the rules and regulations to operate a business in the central business distrct of Thurston County. All businesses in this district must have a local license to operate. Obviously infringement of the rules and regulations could mean that the license is taken away. RSE also has to comply with USA national law. Smoking of minors under 17 years of age is a breach of USA law. Consumer Based Law exits to protect the consumer from deceitful, or fraudulent business practice. It means customers ought to be getting what is offered for the money they have given. The people who make consumer laws apparently do not agree with the idea that a customer is responsible for making a choice to purchase a faulty product. They consider the person offering the product/service accountable. They do not point the finger at the customer and say, "You create your reality," or "You have made the choice. You were a fool. Just own the wisdom and have a nice day." The person has made the choice based upon the information presented. The lawmakers are obviously at odds with popular alternative concepts. They have provided an avenue for retribution instead. Any submission to the Attorney General's Department must be written HONESTLY. There is a risk of perjury if it is dishonest. Most of this information is contained within the submission to the AG Department. I would recommend that you reread it thoroughly. | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 164 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.228 |
After some discussion and contemplation it has been decided to continue to permit those who sincerely object to RSE to get a copy of the submission to the Attorney General and the response from the Lawyer of JZ Knight from LARSE. It may be of beneficial to get an insight to what happens on an elongated journey in RSE if a student has low income earning capacity, or no income earning capacity.....the predicament of many students. LARSE has the right to refuse any request at their discression. Email: LARSE@ywave.com (Message edited by voidgate on December 04, 2006) | ||
| onemore New member Username: onemore Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 70.238.184.72 |
oK THIS IS MY POINT OF VIEW, I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN RSE BUT I HAVE SEEN HER VIDEOS. SHE IS AMAZING, I LIKE HER ENERGY HER STRENGHT ...EVERYTHING. I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT METAPHISIC AND MENTAL TRAINING ETC....A LOT...BELIVE ME. I SAID THE IMPORTANT IS THE TEACHING. IT JUST WORKS. THE TEACHING IS CORRECT IN A WAY NO ONE OF YOU CAN EVEN IMAGINE. I AM NOT FROM US. I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO AT LEAST KEEP THAT KNOWLEDGE. PRACTISE BY YOU OWN. DONT GO TO THE SCHOOL EVER. KEEP YPUR MONEY...WHATEVER BUT PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP PRACTISING BY YOUR SELVES...YOU CANT IMAGINE HOW IMPORTAT YOU ALL ARE, YES YOU ARE IMPORTANT, BECAUSE AS BUDA SAYS: IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF EACH ONE OF YOU TAKE THE RESPONSABILITY OF SAVING ALL BEINGS. THATS WHY YOU INDIVIDUALLY ARE SO IMPORTAT. FUTURE MESIAS EACH ONE FOR ALL. AND THE POWER J Z EXPLAINS TO YOU, EXISTS AND WORKS...THERE ARE MANY OTHER WAYS TO USE THAT POWER . ITS OK IF YOU DONT LIKE HER...BUT I THINK SHE IS SOMEKIND OF HERO FOR WHAT SHE SAIS....IS SHE RAMTHA? I DONT CARE ...I AM NOT LOOKING A MESIAS OUTSIDE OF ME. THATS MY POINT. | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 217 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.104.206 |
OK JZ We know that was your post... Just quit it. chuckle.. David. P.S. Stop shouting. | ||
| onemore New member Username: onemore Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 70.238.184.72 |
NO I AM NOT JZ . JUST SOMEONE A BIT HONEST. | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 165 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.110 |
David, I really do enjoy your brilliance! I am laughing a lot. | ||
| onemore New member Username: onemore Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 70.238.184.72 |
I think the reason the people complains about rsi is because they didn´d achieve the capacities they were looking for. But it is obvious the capacities are there to be developed. It is a matter of time. To create changes in your "life" or whatever uses to take 3, 7, 14, 21 30 days . Depends on how srong your practise is etc. But I think you all know this. And I repeat that the best way is keep practising. These abilities are there to be taken not to be given. Every one that can read, write or think can use these, lets say powers.And again dont give money to any group. do not belong to any group. I ve never did. I will never will. Your mind is free for yourself. Isn´t it. By the way every thing about the observer is also at the bagavad gita book. Not New. Also the I am is there and in many other ancient sacred books. ....so all these practises are really based on ancient religions the problem in my opinion is the money. Buy in us everything is about he money. Is the prostitution of sacred.I am not roma catholic either. My moral doen´t allow me to by that. But i do appreciate catholic message in some aspects. Well, some parts of the modern catholic messages. | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 218 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.104.206 |
NO I AM NOT JZ . JUST SOMEONE A BIT HONEST. Yes..I know who you are.. We have met many times before.... In fact.. I was also a member of the spiritual knowable’s that walked amongst the villagers offering wisdom and services.. even when they didn't ask for it. I was wondering when you would show up? Perhaps this time.. You will understand that there is something deeper going on here… Than your little bit of honesty.. ? David. | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 219 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.104.206 |
It must be my Karma.. chuckle David | ||
| onemore New member Username: onemore Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 70.238.184.72 |
whatever. I am not offering my services only to you baby. I have 6000 million bosses waiting for those same services. I think this is about to develop potentials. Thats all. not money, or orders, no fanatism. But I understand also that there are people that can only develop devotional spiritual path. As there are people that can only develop autodevotional spiritual path. For sure the highest step. More power more responsability etc. The question is who stops pain more efficiently? | ||
| in_the_zone Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 55 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
You know, the old saying is still true. If you leave the door open anybody can walk in. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
But it is obvious the capacities are there to be developed.. ------------------------------------------------ The word DEVELOPED means Practice... How many years... WHERE IS THE PROOF? Where is ONE STUDENT... who has studied the GREAT WORK... that after 25 years can On the DEMAND Manifest anything.... Even Sai Baba himself needs little kids to hand him the jewls. smile. How many hours did Jesus spend PRACTICING C & E? Zero.. How much MONEY did Jesus SPEND to PURCHASE HIGHER WISDOM??? Zero... It's Free.... can't be, then the channels can't get rich and rub the students nose in it. wink. BEING IN THE PRESENCE of Christ Consciousness... is a STATE OF MIND.... and in that STATE OF BEING.... making money and having worldly things is not at the top of the TO DO LIST. smile. The approach truly in many of these groups is a VISION of GETTING RICH QUICK.... SELLING A GRAND DREAM.... only problem is ony the CHANNELS Get Rich... the devotees MASTER POVERTY. Join our group, and MASTER YOUR PROVERTY.... or MASTER YOUR KARMA..... ie... give me all your money. LOL. The human ego can get all caught up in the MISSION of the PRACTICE... as a human ego.. and that always creates failure. It is wonderful to DREAM the DREAMS of worldly things... and instant manifestation... This is nothing more than a Get Rich Sells Scam Job ... that preys on the students DESIRE to be greater and have a greater life. How many have attained TRUE INSTANT MANIFESTATION from Ramtha's group after 25 Years? Even JZ herself... NEEDS to have more and more DEVOTES to come and PAY to ATTEND the GREAT WORK... to GRANT HER ... her wealth.. so the TEACHER has not even proven the WISDOM is attainable. Did you hear her SING..... the BILLIONAIRE SONG.... that is her new goal... and look out... that means EMPTY YOUR POCKET NOW... GIVE ME YOUR MONEY... Oooops Ramtha. IF the GREAT WORK is so GREAT.... would it not be time to no longer exchange money for the GREAT WORK. Now that would be an EXPANDING stepping out and walking on water.. The only fabalous wealth seems to be what people like many who have posted here have contributied to the POT OF GOLD of both JZ and Penny. Smile. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 269 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
onemore comments, "I think the reason the people complains about rsi is because they didn´d achieve the capacities they were looking for." i would like to suggest that your assumption is a false one. there are people that are ex-students who achieved remarkable things in their lives. there is, however, no proof that the teachings are the variable that is significant in those remarkable things happening. plenty of people who have never set foot in that "SCHOOL" or heard of it, have remarkable life experiences. PERHAPS you have not read the posts on this forum thoroughly enough ? the concerns and experiences of some people with regard to rse, that have posted about the experiences on this forum, have addresses issues FAR beyond simply needing to complain because of something they did not achieve. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 270 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
secrets comments, "Did you hear her SING..... the BILLIONAIRE SONG.... " can you elaborate on this ???? when ? in what context ? did you mean that the singing was by jz presenting as herself, or presenting as "ramtha" ? inquiring minds want to know <grin> | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Gosh, my post did not post.. I said, I had received an email from RSE and it was an invitation to an event... BEHIND the email was JZ not ramtha SINGING ..... about BEING a BILLIONAIRE... it sounded like she was drunk. I so agree with whatchamacallit.... I was very successful in my life LONG before any channels... and had always had MYSTICAL Experiences. After those years.... although my bank account was less.... I didn't worry... I just created again. I have lived 30 life times in one.... and have ALWAYS had the ability to pick myself up and START OVER AGAIN... for me, those events were INFORMATIONATIONAL... but I always had great abilities... I do not give them credit for my life at all. Smile. The other poster makes it sound like we are ALL LOSERS becuase we DARE to QUESTIONS RSE.... He/She would be blessed to be me.... and have lived my life.. and MY STORY goes on now.... I am not a failure in any way... I would never allow OTHERS to dictate my live...now would my life be contengent upon anyone or anything in the material world. Wink. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Continued.... I know I have made the statement that thse channeled have only created the Mastery of Poverty for their sutdents... ie, their channels gets RICH on the students money.. I say that smiling. I am referring to many people who in both groups sold their homes... and all their belongings for ONE MORE EVENT. I remember Mafu telling us to get rid of everything EXCEPT that which will fit in one suite case. To wander and see where spirit takes you. Well, for many, it took them on the streets and at the hands of family and friends or the govt who they had made fun of "Living in this world"... what is funny is after all the teaching of Manifesting... many became broke and living in their cars and tents on other people's property. I was NOT speaking about myself... although I have had to start over a few times after those events... but I had been blessed with the ability to MOVE On and Start over.... many people are not as fluid. I would also not call them LOOSERS... these people had businesses and good jobs and the foundation of homes and income that was LEFT BEHIND in a GET RICH QUICK Sceam with the C & E Programs. After all, these people are the ones BEHND JZ and Pen's Ranch in Oregon... withouth these people's financial support in the beginning, they would not be wealthy now. Some way, they BELIEVED.... in their spiritual quest... they followed their heart in a DREAM and ended up on the street wondering what happened? Now if you ask the channels.. they will say, IT WAS THEIR CHOICE.... It was their karma... yep... it was their choice. But, when the GREAT WORK gets REAL... and no one seemed to PERFORM... who is to blame? I can READ a fairy tale... of people flying and no need for money becuase you can just think it and it manifest... Read Masters's of the Far East... and then BLAME the people for not PROVING my Fairy Tale. But if those things are EASILY MASTERED.. then I would say more people would BE successful. I personally was successful WAY WAY before C & E and the teachings of channeling.... and way bevre all that, I ALREADY had unusal experiences... NOT BECUASE of any EFFORT on my part... things just would happen around me .... without my control... I can NOT teach others something that has ALWAYS JUST HAPPENED. What worked before still works for me now... It is NOT C & E... It is like telling the GIRL they are a Boy... and when the GIRL Fails at being a Boy, they say you did not practice being a BOY enought... or hold the vision enought or devote your time and effort to becoming a Human... smile. Either these channels have sold their students a LIE ..... or the TEACHER have FAILED. What more can you say. When in school, if EVERY STUDENT FAILS... someone would FIRE that teacher at some point. LOL. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 272 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
Secrets, DITTO !!! You just summed up a whole lot of things. Unfortunately, it takes some people a real long time, and many profound losses in their life, before they realize it. One reason I started posting on this site, is because the posts I read for a full year before ever being ready to post, helped me SO much. Those people that cared enough about OTHERS, helped so much in my healing process. I am grateful more than words can say, for the people behind the creation of FACTNet. The school has stated MANY TIMES that it was a SEVEN YEAR SCHOOL. After that time elapsed and no student had become a GOD in flesh, we were blamed as not being up to par. The teacher is not up to par. Figure THAT out. Then, there should be accountability for it. Well, I have enough self esteem, self worth, and self integrity to KNOW that I focused with all due sincerity when doing my disciplines. I am, still, a human being. A wiser one who carries a scar. An emotional scar from having been spiritually raped by what is in my opinion, a spiritual predator. I suppose that the scar will always be something I must bear, as it would be with any other major life crisis. Bear it I must. I am at least, thankful for finally taking a look at the red flags of danger, and taking action. It is not ME. I am not a failure. I am not a quitter. The school/teachings would have students believe that about any student that does not stay current. They can say what they want, but that doesn't make it TRUE. It's not true. It's a false idol, and many of the students have lost ...or forfeited...their gift of reasoning ability, to become fearful and subservient to something EXTERNAL TO THEM. I feel genuinely sorry for them. I hope they take their power back, and get on with living THEIR lives, instead of supporting JZ Knight's. whatcha emailwhatchamacallit@yahoo.com | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
} The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke  } | ||
| tiger New member Username: tiger Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Secrets or anyone, do you know if there are beatings and drug usestill going on at Mafu temple. Do you know the woman who is accused of shooting at Amigee/Mafu. Do you know any of the true details of that incident. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=3092 Check this link above at RickRoss.com... these are VERY recent events... so the answer is NO to your drug question and beating question. The fact is, she is very violent... a doctor Jeckel and MR Hide.. BE CAREFUL.. know you have been warned. Yes, I knew Michell Taylor since the very very early days at the Ranch before the Ashram was purchased... I am just tired of talking about it... I actually have a life beyond Mafu and that crazy world. Smile. (Message edited by Secrets on December 13, 2006) | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 221 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.243.212.183 |
http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=3092 | ||
| tiger New member Username: tiger Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Thank you. yes I have seen that site. Thank you for the warning. I assume the violent one is Ammigee? What about Michelle? Can you just tell me anything. about the shooting incident. anything would be helpful. Thank you | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Ok, one last time. Yes, this does not suprise me at all, Ammajee can be very violent, crule and provoking.... very unstable most of the time I was out there. I have witnessed Penny curse and rant at other students... if you leave you become the latest TOPIC of her rants. The Good Guy / Bad Guy stuff. Michele Taylor was Mafu's hand maiden and had been there for years.... Ask your friends to tell you some of the crazy stories.. Sex, Drugs, lies and rock N roll.... chanting. Sometime in early 90's or late 80's MAFU create a SOUL for Michel... I was there, the word was she was born souless and he was giving her that gift. For several days, Michelle had to weare a VEIL and no one could LOOK at her in the eyes or no man could look at her, I don't remember the story... It was all very bizarr. Also check http://CosmicFool.com It is all typical CULT behavior. Do some research about CULTS and you will understand the behavior more. In most cults, the devotees PROTECT the group, no one has the courage to SPEAK UP ... So the IDEA of leaving, even when they are being beaten is worse than the beatings. Think about it, they BELIVE if they are cut off from MAFU, they will lose their soul or Divine Access... But what happens the day she dies? Then What. You must LOVE YOURSELF... plain and simple. Without Self-Love you will forever be at the HANDS of people like this in the name of God. The early days, was quite differnet than today. It is ALL very FEAR Based. FEAR they will lose God. So, that means, they do not have God????. In the early days of Mafu, he said he would be here fore 7 years.... and TO NEVER WORSHIP him as a GURU.... He said many times, Also, said, NEVER come to him as a DEVOTEE you do not have the TIME in one life time in today's world to Enlighten in his Presence... Listen carefully to the MESSAGE... but OBSERVE the ACTIONS and THE PERFORMANCE MORE.... How many people after 25 years has Illuminated or Enlightened.. or even stayed... Oh Yes, Penny the drug beating Enlightened One forgot. I was there in 2000, 2001 2002 no one, that was in our origional Mastery Program was around. Mostly lesbians were there. I only visited then about once a year... at that time they were doing Telphone Groups. It is ALL about money... I know, I have given them well over $100,000.00 and that was small compared to others I know. If you want God REalization there, YOU WILL BUY IT.... for the Lords thery want to be PAID for giving the FRUIT of their trees. Just give them ALL you money, sell your home, and ALL Belonging... give them the money. Now tell your family, friends and employer to leave you alone you are being reborn in a NEW Spiritual family that loves you. Ssssssch don't tell them you might be beaten. and then go get your ONE Suite CASE of personal things you love and become a wander. There, now you can save some money. That is a FAST TRACK to Mafu's earlier teachings. ---------------------------------------------- Probation ordered in attack at ranch By SARAH LEMON - In the heat of an argument, Taylor threw a wine glass at Penny Torres, who owns and operates the tiger sanctuary, said Tim Barnack, deputy district attorney for Jackson County. Taylor then cut Torres’ arms and face with pieces of the broken glass, Barnack said. Taylor also fired four shots from a .38-caliber revolver in Torres’ general direction, but never intended to shoot her, Barnack added. http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0122/local/stories/12local.htm (Message edited by Secrets on December 14, 2006) | ||
| secrets Junior Member Username: secrets Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
http://www.cosmicfool.com/discussion/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000729.html CosmicFool.com Link with many post about this group. I so agree with this QUOTE from whatchamacallit I have enough self esteem, self worth, and self integrity to KNOW that I focused with all due sincerity when doing my disciplines. I am, still, a human being. A wiser one who carries a scar. An emotional scar from having been spiritually raped by what is in my opinion, a spiritual predator. I suppose that the scar will always be something I must bear, as it would be with any other major life crisis. Bear it I must. | ||
| secrets Junior Member Username: secrets Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Below is a QUOTE from a POSTER name HANK on CosmicFool.com... it says a lot REF: Penny Torres & MAfu Group ------------------------------------------------ Hey Rockguy ! Be mindful of your friend. This cult is very controlling. There is only one person whom benefits from the labour of their 'believers'. Penny uses animals (the Tiger Sanctuary) as a way to manipulate followers. Followers sacrifice their morals etc. in the belief that by caring for animals and meditating for human unity will bring a change in world direction. It's all a load of crap. It's cheap human labour and a great way of controlling/accumulating peoples finances. A lot of people that have left/tried to leave, have been austrasied and been 'black balled'. It is known that devout believers have taken action against people that have left the cult. (Nothing physical per my knowledge - only mental and austrasization) ( pls excuse spelling). If possible get your friend out. If you have further questions or problems - pls post. | ||
| secrets Junior Member Username: secrets Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Another post from Hank..... -------------------------------------- Dear Hake, This letter was sent to Penny Torres in reply to an email that was sent out from the Ashram, that was so "off", I'll actually forward that to you too. You will be pleased to note that people are fighting back. Re: A Message from Mafu What a load of pure unadulterated crap. You, Penny, are a liar and a whore. You defile and destroy all of the teachings of my beautiful master. In your pitiful attempts to pretend that you are delivering a channeled message from Lord Isa Mafu, you reveal the depth of your defilement of all that was sacredly revealed in truth through his love. You are the abomination he always spoke that you would become. Everything that comes from you now has been degraded to the level of your realization--and it is obvious to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Gossipmongers? Oh please. You phoney, drug addict, contemptuous, heartless, violent, debased, psychotic, anti-spiritualist---everything that comes from you screams (even through yur pretense of caring for the impoverished and suffering of this world) who you have chosen to become. And your gang of thugs???? Who are they and what are they doing except indulging in the ridiculous identities of self-important sadism of their current nature.How long can you continue to play at this perversion - who would be so stupid to follow you now? You are and havebeen exposed for a very long time to many of us. We know who and what you are. This tripe that you put out can't begin to touch the true teachings of our Master--who do you think you are kidding?--Perhaps, those who stupidly and blindly follow because they just can't get it yet. Well, hopefully they will in this lifetime so that they never have to journey the depravity of soul that they are left with under your misguided tuteledge. I do not mince words with you because you know the truth of which I speak. I allow your journey but please remove me from your email lists and do not contaminate my existence with your false, self-indulgent misrepresentations of my Master's truth. I find it abhorrent and outrageous. I will post 'mailout' when made availabe. | ||
| in_the_zone Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 56 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
There appears to be a madman amongst us. | ||
| in_the_zone Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 57 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
Has anyone else noticed there seems to be a highjacking going on? | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 222 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 12.178.97.132 |
in_the_zone We are in a dark territory.. never a better time to shine.. chuckle david | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 223 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 12.178.97.132 |
I wonder about the childhood of JZ Knight and Penny Torres.. To the time when they were beautiful and intact human beings.. I wonder… what kind of monsters robbed them of their innocence and seeded these Ramtha and Mafu delusions.. And I wonder… who kept silent back then? Just to afraid to speak out and protect them?. I wonder… if the contempt they feel towards humanity is a twisted justification against those that allowed this to happen. and I wonder….. How terrifying it must be for them to face and overcome these monsters… and to reach through the darkness to those little girls they lost so many years ago. Perhaps when children are traumatized we all lose a spark of God.. And the darkness that is left is the shadowlands for monsters to hide behind… If there is such a thing as enlightenment… may it shines into this darkness. David | ||
| secrets Junior Member Username: secrets Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
It's me, I do appologize, NO I am not a madmad... I am JUST REPORTING the News.. it is AMAZING that you would say that. .....it was just that some of those older post are in several different areas... and the person WANTED INFORMATION....I am WILLING to give information. The other night I did the research for the zillionth time... smile. But Hey, Perhaps I am a madman... it is only when you SEE what is happening, that you desire to GET THE WORD OUT. I will say no more here... perhaps you truly don't want to KNOW what others have said. Smile. | ||
| secrets Junior Member Username: secrets Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
David, Your post was very deeply HEART FELT... It is AMAZING That after ALL you have been through... you still have a great ability to find love, care and have compassion for these people. It goes to show, that although many here, QUESTION and REPORT our experiences, we still have LOVE and compassion; and concern for others. David your post made my day. Blessings, | ||
| in_the_zone Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 58 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
Just stop shouting...we can hear you just fine in a room temperature voice. | ||
| secrets Junior Member Username: secrets Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Shouting.... I have no idea what on earth you are talking about. I am just passing on informaiton... How do you say I am shouting? Is it a SECRET CODE I do not know or something? Enlighten me dear one... Smile. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 273 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
secrets, when writing on message boards, using CAPITOL letters means you are shouting that word. i think that is what was being said. i'll post more when i can. the holidays are upon my family ! best wishes to all... emailwhatchamacallit@yahoo.com |
