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exjws
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Username: exjws
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.74.162.101
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 4:40 pm: | 
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The governing body of jehovah’s witnesses hypocrisy shines like a night sky light staring you in the face, if you can’t see it you are brainwashed unable to think for your selves. I should know, I use to be one. To this very day I am haunted by they’re evil actions, how they manipulated the scriptures to their own advantage by Bullying those stupid enough to believe them, getting them to dress an act like some trained animal performing stupid tricks in order to please the governing body in the name of Jehovah. Controlling all aspects of their followers’ lives. Taking pleasure in the human sacrifice of people who refuse blood transfusions, despite the fact that there is no sound base for this sacrifice. One eat through the mouth to live, if one cannot eat through the mouth because of a misfortune use an intravenously, but one cannot survive indefinitely on an IV. The human body needs more calories than the IV can provide in order to live a normal life. So IV is a temporary solution to a bad situation. The so-called faithful and discreet slave decided that they needed human sacrifices in order to gratify their egos than feed off of it. So they manipulated a few scriptures by bending and twisting the facts misapplying an ancient custom too today’s modern technology.
Yet they the governing body who feast on human sacrifices cannot follow it own rules, they force those whom they brainwash not to associate with other religions and if they do they get disfellowshipped but they them selves defend other religions in courts “Jimmy Swaggart Ministries Supreme court of the United States October term,1988 No 88-1374” and say nothing about it publicly. They condemn world political organizations such as the UN call it the devils device, and yet they in secrete have been a member of this political organization. I am convince that the whole WBTS has many more skeletons in its closet, far worst than what I just describe and I am convince that the true Jehovah GOD Almighty will seek revenge upon these despicable disgusting creatures who misrepresent his name. |
barb46
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Username: barb46
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 68.194.35.183
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 7:17 pm: |
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I had a sister who die recently of cancer she marry a jehovah witness name Richard Listwon
10 months ago she had a operation call the Whipple surgery she had Pancreatic Cancer .
After a month of her operation she needed blood
and the doctors beg him to give her blood because her blood count was very low.
He said over my dead body well needless to say
after a month of the operation her kidneys were
failing her the doctors gave 3 days to live.
When i try to encourage to live her husband said
Don't tell her that let her die her mission is
not of this world her mission is of the next world. Well that did not stop me. Then he try
the feedig tube remove so she would starve to death my other sister convince her to have the feeding tube back in . I ask what Funeral arrangement are you making and of course he said
none taht he has no money so he ask the Hospital what do you do to a body when you have no money
to bury her they told him Potters Fields and he well that where she goes. Of Course Her Family and real friends paid for the services not 1 red cent did he contibute to his wife funeral.
Yet he had all the rights to how the funeral was going to go and we had none because it is N.Y. state law. She was cremated and he was allowed to keep the ashes. He had Her dress in a housecoat instead of beautiful dress that was
pick out for her and he comes in with a Three piece suit.Her Death was not even good enough for him.Yet a few years back he had a major Heart attack they did a triple bypass on him and his even said that he had several pints of blood.He Put his religion on the shelf when he needed it and when he got better he took it off the shelf and he was practicing a J.W. again |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 130
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:35 pm: |
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Dear Justwondering:
You raise valid concerns, that are troubling you and you should speak to the one whom you are dating about the same. This only makes sense as it is a personal issue between the two of you!
As to what you read about JW’s, there are always two sides to a story. Many people are married to JW’s and find them to be wonderful mates, whom they appreciate very much while considering themselves blessed to have them, without being a JW. What a person does or does not do with their faith is a personal decision and so it seems with your significant other, on top of the fact that these issues (according to what you express) existed prior to the relationship with you. The JW’s view on dating those outside the “community” as you put it, is based the scriptures found at 1 Corinthians 7:39 and 2 Corinthians 6:14, that supports the principal that Christians should only marry in the Lord. This is a principal of life and friendship as well, as people tend to gravitate toward those to whom they have things in common with! With that said, several JW’s that I know of have married outside the “Lord” and they have continued to go to their Christian meetings and so on without any such shunning etc.
As to inkorrekt’s warning about the JW’s and myself, all I can say is, he does not know me, and visa versa, and that despite his “CHARM” he is after all entitled to his opinion as is anyone else on this board, myself included. Despite his and other’s assertions, JW’s do believe in Jesus Christ just not in the same manner as taught in main stream Christendom.
As to my choosing not to respond to Barb, she stated her feelings and what she experienced thus, the fact that there are good, bad, intelligent, stupid, hypocritical, loyal etc. etc., etc., people in all Churches including JW’s, is not a valid reason to reply. I am still waiting for you inkorrekt to point me to the perfect religion where none of these types of people are found so I can become one of them!!! Help me please…..NOT!!!
Sorry to disappoint you, inkorrekt! The least you could have done with all of your wisdom, is given justwondering the benefit of your years of experience when dealing with perplexing situations, rather than ATTACK a faith, like a junk yard dog! Everyone on this board knows you LOVE to argue! Hey, it has been said that if one were to stop and kick at every barking dog, along the road of life, that one would never complete one’s journey!
Your ignorance is showing Dude!
I do wish you well, with your situation justwondering!
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praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 132
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:50 pm: |
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Dear barb46:
I want to apologize for my posting number 130 above, as it was meant for the thread, "Any Comments Welcome", though I touch upon your post in mine above, though add, I am very sorry for you (or anyone) that goes through such a horrible experience, whether it be with a JW or other, as it appears you suffered a horrible experience with this person let alone the awful loss of your sister. I recently lost my father, and have lost my mother and a brother, and sadly, I am all too painfully aware of how horrible an experience death, our enemy can be to all of us!
I wish you the best with your life!!!
My deepest sympathy and condolences.
Sincerely,
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praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 133
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:53 pm: |
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Dear barb46:
I want to apologize for my posting number 130 above, as it was meant for the thread, "Any Comments Welcome", though I touch upon your post in mine above, though add, I am very sorry for you (or anyone) that goes through such a horrible experience, whether it be with a JW or other, as it appears you suffered a horrible experience with this person let alone the awful loss of your sister. I recently lost my father, and have lost my mother and a brother, and sadly, I am all too painfully aware of how horrible an experience death, our enemy can be to all of us!
I wish you the best with your life!!!
My deepest sympathy and condolences.
Sincerely,
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inkorrekt
Intermediate Member
Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 122
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 208.54.15.1
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:22 pm: |
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BARB46: Where are you? The JW theologian has ignored all the pain and suffering you and your family went through because of JW. He has quoted deaths in his family. I believe not all those deaths were caused by JW's theology.In the previous thread, he wrote that you were not a JW. Come on challenge him please!!!!!PRAETORIAN POST134) A careful reading of barb46’s post reveals that she is not a former JW! Where did you get this from her post?
Praetorian, you had accused me that I never read anything. What did you do just now with Barbara? |
inkorrekt
Intermediate Member
Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 123
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 208.54.15.1
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:24 pm: |
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BARB46: Where are you? The JW theologian has ignored all the pain and suffering you and your family went through because of JW. He has quoted deaths in his family. I believe not all those deaths were caused by JW's theology.In the previous thread, he wrote that you were not a JW. Come on challenge him please!!!!!PRAETORIAN's POST134. A careful reading of barb46’s post reveals that she is not a former JW! Where did you get this from her post?
Praetorian, you had accused me that I never read anything. What did you do just now with Barbara? |
praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 135
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 6:51 pm: |
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Inkorrekt:
Did you miss me?
You obviously have a problem with the English language. My response to her is a crystal clear and dignified, as I respect what she expressed, and offered my sympathy for what she suffered at the hands of this person, who was or is a JW, (no more than if he was a member your church) and condolences for her loss! Dear man, she suffered because of what this person did who was or is a JW; it was the person, that did this, not God, the Bible or his professed faith! Why you feel the physiological need to have folks “challenged” is beyond me, though it is a sad way to live your life. Woof, Woof; Is that barking I hear?
In barb46’s post, she does not claim to be a former JW, but that her sister was one and her brother in law was one or is one.
You must be an old retired, unsuccessful angry person. Work on yourself man, as you have too much time on your hands, and hate in your heart for those who do not think like you! Isn’t that what Hitler did? Are you that way against those who are not of your race?
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.151
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 11:31 am: |
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the jw gov body are self-appointed hypocrites........ they have no authority from god to enforce their ever changing decrees or even claim to be "god's appointed organization".
you know, jesus warned about false prophets that would come along, and claim he already arrived, as the gov body of jws claims he already came and appointed them to rule....... matt 24;24 |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 138
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 6:22 pm: |
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Crawly:
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. I trust if they are what you say they are; then they will not fool God or anyone and will pay for it in the end. However, there are those who believe differently than you and so they are equally entitled to their opinion as well! God’s word the Bible is filled with hypocrites that were God’s servants, (You can start with the Kings of Israel that represented God on earth, sitting on his throne) and yet God used them, why? God can only work with what he as, imperfect failing people! That does not change that God must work with imperfect people on earth to accomplish his will as found in the Bible.
Well as for Matthew 24:24, the JW’s have not performed any “great signs” so you must apply that to those who do!
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.253.139
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 9:33 pm: |
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yes, many bible kings were wicked....... but the gov body of jws have never been appointed by god to be his one and only visible organization, so referring to other wicked kings that had legal right to the throne is irrelevant........ the gov body of jws is "self-appointed" as was korah... num 16......... matt 24;24.... 2 thess 2;2
yes pratorian, you may stand next to korah, and fellowship with him if you like.... those 'with' him also went into the pit or were consumed by fire.
the gov body self-appointed themselves with some numerology and a scam about jesus having already arrived in 1874, and appointed "them" to rule.... as they continually revise the dates and claim they never really said that. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 146
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 2:14 pm: |
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Crawly:
I think there may be a disconnect here with your mind and please work on your grammar and spelling as I am unable to tell how much smoke you are presently blowing!!!! I relayed to you the point of the Bible characters of old, Kings, which includes Kings, Prophets and the Apostles, those whom God used, regarding their making of errors, many of them serious errors (not to mention the big deal that Peter denied Christ and yet was a beloved Apostle of Christ) TO SHOW that God still used them! So, reasoning that people who make mistakes are not from God; is not a legitimate way to tell or measure if God is using someone! That is the point! I submit to you that someone with basic literary knowledge would clearly understand this point, unless they are as emotional charged as you are!
As to their (JW’s) feeling that they are God’s appointed Channel, and that their appointments come from God, that is how they FEEL, and you FEEL differently…OK!
Korah whom you site in Numbers, was a prime example of a person (and those with him), people that went against the then arrangement of God, (which you call a cult) and paid with their lives! And it appears you feel that the JW’s are like Korah! If this is true, they are not fooling anyone, and will get theirs when God decides to call to task, all persons on this earth, JW’s included! Matthew 24:24 and 2 Thessalonians 2, applies to you too, as you have lied on these posts, and I have not! Now, I may have replied to you in ways you do not approve of, or agree with, but that does not make me a liar, like I have caught you clearly doing!!! I prefer to apply to you and those like you 2 Thessalonians 2: 9-12!
You’re the one lying on this board as I have easily demonstrated and you have the audacity to compare me to Korah! OK!!! You are indeed entitled to your opinion as I am to mind. (Been down this road with you before) Have it your way, but this is not Burger King Pal! I guess we will have to wait and see on that one, but it will be resolved one day, and on that I am sure we can agree! Hey since Korah went into the pit, where is he today? Just curious!
Now you go on to show everyone your complete ignorance. First the Bible clearly has and uses “Chronology” not “Numerology”, do you even know the difference? By way of a really ridiculously simple example, take a look at Daniel 9:24-27, as this is how the Jews in Jesus day knew when the Messiah was to arrive, via this Chronology, and he appeared on time in 29 CE. If you need help figuring this out, let me know, as this is the reason why Jews cannot dispute or ignore when the Messiah would come!
As to your date of 1874, hold on to your butt, but, you are parroting dates, that you have taken from somewhere else, that has misinformation, Pal, as they; Russell and the then Bible Students, (Now JW’s) began publishing their religions journals in 1879, (another lie of yours and others) so I am not sure what you are specifically referring to here!
Let me know when you learn the difference between Chronology and Numerology? OK (Add a little Valley Girl inflexion here please,,,,Maestro the drum roll too….)
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 14
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 3:31 pm: |
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praetorian, are you accusing me of grammer errors?
i am familiar with that tactic...
so you say i am not spelling it correct?
the gov body of jws is just a modern day extension of " the self appointed korah"
numbers the whole 16th chapter |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 157
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 6:23 pm: |
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Crawly:
You caught me; I must be doing a lousy job at this tactic thing! However, I am not a liar as you have proven to be! These are the facts!
Yes I did state that your posts contain misspellings and grammatical errors and most many of them do! After all you make many (repeat) assertions, so it should be expressed and spelled correctly in order to avoid misunderstandings! !…..Get real, read your own posts, please!!!
And you are entitled to your opinion about the JW’s and their Governing Body, and just know that there are millions (and some formerly disfellowshipped) that disagree!
Now I have a question for you, if they are indeed “the self appointed Korah”, who have they rebelled against? As Korah was a Jew in the Nation of Israel and rebelled against the religious leader of the day Moses!
Please grace us with your knowledge!
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 23
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.252.235
| | Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 7:40 am: |
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you continually call me a liar, preatorian?
geez...
the gov body of jws are lying false prophets... matt 24;24
2 thess 2;2....... num 16
yup, they are self-appointed just like korah.
they have no legit claim to being god's organization so comparing them to legitimate wicked kings is not acceptable...... they only have wicked numerology that they adjust once in a while, as it wears out.
yes, the wicked gov body of jws claimed jesus returned in 1874, all the way up until around the 1940's......then they changed it to 1914.. are you trying to claim otherwise, preatorian?...... while calling me a liar?
tisk tisk... you sound like a jw to me. |
junefever
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Username: junefever
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.172.116.155
| | Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:49 pm: |
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praetorian,
Why did you totally sidestep barb46's point? Her sister died prematurely due to the JW doctrine which prohibits blood transfusions. She obviously wasn't posting here to get sympathy; she's suffered a very painful loss because of some religious doctrine that only JWs believe in. Surely you're familiar with the JW stance on blood transfusions. |
inkorrekt
Intermediate Member
Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 143
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 208.54.15.129
| | Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 7:01 pm: |
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CRAWLY, JUNEFEVER: By now, we all must know that PRAETORIAN is a JW theologian under disguise. JW's survive only on their lies, distortions and accusation of their critics QUOTING SCRIPTURES even.His explanations are as boring as those JW PROSELETYSORS on the week end.These people cannot answer any question. But, repeat whatever has been preprogrammed in their minds like a broken record. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 159
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:55 pm: |
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Oh Crawley: I just love it when you speak that way….(Read between the lines).
You call yourself a liar by the things “you” express; all I did was point it out to you!
You clearly have the right to your opinion on the Governing Body, as do the JW’s, who have a different opinion about them contrary to what you and others here may feel! No greater or less is your opinion than theirs, as you and they are all equally “human” opinions!
The Bible applies to all people including JW’s and the scriptures you repeatedly cite of Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:2 and Numbers Chapter 16, applies with equal force to you and others as well.
Your opinion that they are self appointed like Korah, is just that, your opinion, though others feel differently, and trust that one day this will all be settled with finality!
Fellow, I called you to task on some of the things you stated in writing and if you track your own writings you will find the contradictions.
Let me help you with this; the JW’s have indeed made donkeys (as this site will not allow me to use the three letter word I was intending on using instead) of themselves, more than once, and to this there is no dispute here fellow! NONE!
I now reply that, if this is your measuring rod for deciding if they (or any religion) are false prophets, then I state, that your reasoning fails if measured against the Bible where God’s people, from Prophet, King, Apostle etc, made many gross mistakes, and donkey’s out of themselves (Big Ones) and despite this, God clearly used them! That’s the point! Since this is the case, then the standard for measuring for this, should also come form the Bible, where it clearly states at 1 John 4:1, to test the inspired expression to see if it is false or not! In this, if you take a subject by subject approach to beliefs in the Bible, as to what the Bible teaches or not, you will come to different conclusions via this measuring rod!
And dear fellow, many folks I know (Me included) are married to JW’s and have great admiration and love for their mates, and have taken the time to check out what they believe except without the hate, preconceived ideas, agendas, with no bones to pick, for the simple reason that they LOVE their mates and have come to many of the same conclusions I have, without being one!
This is the point and reply to all of your many replies about the same thing!
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praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 160
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 4:07 pm: |
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Dear Junefever:
It was not my intent to sidestep anything; I just gave the reply I thought was appropriate, which you obviously disagree with. Yes I am familiar with their beliefs on blood transfusions and am well acquainted with what the Bible states on such subjects.
Ok, so I gather you don’ t agree with them, ok, take a number! If you want me to attempt to address something specific, please state so, otherwise I understand your dismay over my reply to barb46.
With that said, I will add, that people feel the pain of the loss of loved ones daily, most not because of the lack of blood transfusions, and still others give their lives freely for noble causes they truly believe in. In history, Nathan Hale gave his life for his beliefs, some agreed with his stance then and some did not! The matter of this has more to do with opinions, over people agreeing or disagreeing over a person’s cause or belief system! The JW’s believe in the clear Biblical probation on blood, that does not make them anti-medicine, as some JW’s are doctors, nor martyrs, as they love life and live it to the full in accordance to God’s Biblical admonitions!
Not sure if any of the above addresses what is on your mind, so I decided to add this little ditty.
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praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 161
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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Have I told you lately that I love you?
Hey, I have been called a lot of things here by you, but boring is not fair!
Now to the more serious stuff! How you can state that I, let alone anyone else, for that matter, “cannot” answer any question belies the statement you posed. I know my name, the alphabet in different languages, days of the week, and yes Bible topics as well! I know you have trouble thinking and placing your thoughts, due to your constant state of anger and arguing so let me help you here more S-L-O-W-L-Y!
I have most defintealy answered you, and I am certain that the JW’s who have the quite unpleasant task of visiting at your door, have done so also; therefore the issue that you do not agree with them!!! And, (there’s more) because I or they don’t agree with you, you “FEEL” (get some help here for your feelings bud) that they I or they “cannot answer any question.” OK, Got it! But at least try to state your position accurately….breath in-----and breath out….rinse lather and repeat!
As to broken records; what a coincidence!
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junefever
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Username: junefever
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.172.116.155
| | Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:30 am: |
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"I will add, that people feel the pain of the loss of loved ones daily, most not because of the lack of blood transfusions, and still others give their lives freely for noble causes they truly believe in."
What "cause" exactly are they giving their lives for? Who benefits exactly by someone refusing a life-saving medical procedure and dying, leaving behind loved ones--children even? What is noble about blindly accepting the unique bible interpretation of a few men in New York, that is literally a life or death matter?
JWs also once prohibited vaccinations. They prohibited organ transplants. Those prohibitions were also based on their interpretation of the bible. They quietly rescinded those prohibitions. Too bad for the people who had already died or suffered serious illness for the "cause." Turns out it wasn't even necessary. Oops...
"The matter of this has more to do with opinions, over people agreeing or disagreeing over a person’s cause or belief system!"
No, the matter has to do with a group of men determining which medical treatments their membership can and can not have. If they exercise a personal choice to have medical treatment that will save their lives, they will be disfellowshipped and shunned. Many have.
"The JW’s believe in the clear Biblical probation on blood, that does not make them anti-medicine, as some JW’s are doctors,"
That's a bogus point. A microscopic percentage of JWs are doctors, and you know that. When only 4% of the entire membership even holds a university degree, you're being deceptive in suggesting that it's common for JWs to be doctors. It's not.
And disallowing blood transfusions isn't "God's admonishion." It's the crazy interpretation of a few men in Brooklyn based on an irrational application of the primative religious beliefs of an ancient culture. A culture that stoned "rebellious" children to death, with parents casting the first stones. Trying to apply primitive religious rules to 21st century medical procedures is beyond ludicrous. |
crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 25
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.251.83
| | Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:24 am: |
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yup praetorian, the wicked gov body of jehovah's witnesses is "self-appointed" just like korah.
matt 24;24.... 2 thess 2;2, ... num 16
no preatorian, the scriptures about false prophets don't apply to christians who don't claim to be "god's prophet", as the wicked lying evil gov body of jehovah's witnesses does.
the wicked gov body of jws is the guilty party, and worthy of the reward of korah, not innocent christians.
are you still comparing them to legitimate wicked kings of the nation of israel?
the wicked gov body of jws has no legitimate claim to any authority what so ever....... they simply self-appointed themselves with a lie about jesus already arriving, and appointing them to rule..... what a huge lie!...... lies like that carry the death penalty for the wicked men who instigate it all..... matt 24;24.... deut 18;20
russel claimed that jesus arrived in 1874 and appointed their special little group to rule.
he appointed himself over all the other slaves........ what a haughty deceitful mason he was!........ your current jw gov body had to swap some dates around when none of his stuff came true and they are still busy swapping the dates around....... geeze, false prophets are so deceitful as they pretend not to be false prophets. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 173
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:35 am: |
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Crawly:
Since you are good are repeating things I thought I would repeat a little ditty, where in I provide my “Two Cents” that I have done here before as it well applies to “ALL” of your posts and trust you will agree with some or part of it and if not, oh well, it is what it is!
One Penny: A kind woman who was known for never having anything bad about anyone, was approached by a person who said, ‘I know someone you cannot say anything good about’…..After a moment, she said, then I don’t want to know, and immediately the person said, ‘Satan The Devil’……And the women thought for a moment and said……’He’s a hard worker!’
Second Penny: If the general consensus is Christians believe that all or most roads lead you to God, and JW’s do not, then ponder; Under the belief systems of general Christians, JW’s are saved! Good and Bad are found in and among all people and belief systems, Christ himself had his own bad egg, Judas Iscariot, but that does not did not make Christ wrong or bad! If Judas had written a book entitled “Proof Jesus is not the Messiah, from a man who knows”, I can tell you that none of the other apostles or those that new Jesus and believed in him, would have bought or started to re-think what they knew of Jesus, as is suggested by the people of this board.
I close my comments by quoting the words of a non Christian, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, in Acts 5: 38 and 39, “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do no meddle with this men, but let them alone (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown, but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters against God.”
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praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 174
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:55 pm: |
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junefever:
(Part 1 of 2)
The “cause” is God’s Kingdom. People today die over the right to rule, territory and sovereignty of one nation over another, some think it stupid and others do not!
You may have missed the point I made earlier about JW’s accepting medical treatment and blood substitutes etc. It is not a blind decision, but a very well informed one from their standpoint. Perhaps a little research on your end, before throwing stones, will reveal that not all physicians, (not including JW’s physicians as this would truly be microscopic) believe in Blood Transfusions as an acceptable form of medical treatment therefore; there is dissension in the medical field in general world wide about this! This is a FACT! People die with blood transfusions as well, with no guarantee that they will live! I understand you feel strongly about this, and know the JW finds their view as equally strong as you!
You refer to these “few men” as though they contained some sort of mystical power, so that if they would order their fellow JW’s to “jump off a building” that the JW would jump off the building! I submit to you that this is silly and simply not true, and keep in mind that this is their belief held by all, and that these “few men” as you put it, come from the whole of JW’s in general.
People die everyday for their “cause” for example, like for war etc. and some feel that this is honorable and yet others feel that it is not honorable at all, and in this people are entitled to their opinions! JW’s feel that they are in a real war as well, a spiritual war that will affect us literally, physically (Galatians 6:11-13, especially 12) a war for hearts and minds at present, for which in the end, there are ultimately only two sides; that for God and that for Satan.
You are correct that they have rescinded and or revised their stand on various things, and in the end, those who paid with their lives did so for their “cause” thinking it was the best thing at the time. In the nation of Israel, people were executed for cheating on their mates, etc. and yet in the Christian way of life this is not done! So, making changes and revisions to things is simply a fact of life today, imperfect life, however, in the end if one wants to criticize something they will criticize it!
You are correct about the JW disfellowshipping people for violating God’s laws as they see them in the Bible! Again, this is disclosed to those who become one, up front and not as a surprise later on. This is a process that is not automatic as you would have the readers of this post believe.
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praetorian
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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My words carry no deception when I said “some of them are doctors” and I stand by what I state here!!! I did not say that physicians make up the majority etc. of JW’s, this is your twisting of my clear words above which you call microscopic! It is clear that to you, holding a University Degree is paramount, in worshipping God, however, I submit to you that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and his Father, do not feel the same way you do and those who think like you!
We are speaking about spirituality here, and worshipping God, and it appears you feel that in order to do so, having or holding a University Degree should be a requirement of the majority! I submit to you that this is not so nor is it what Jesus Christ did when choosing those men to whom he entrusted the lives of people with!
I note that you call primitive the practices in the Bible that permitted for stoning of people, children included, and this is your right! However, the JW feels that no one can criticize God for anything God chooses to do with his people, when only living a mere 100 years or less! This is short sighted and can be compared to a small child arguing with an adult regarding safety measures! This goes back to the “cause” of the JW, and being a real subject of God’s Kingdom and to their doing all within their power to please their Heavenly Father, thus, please take a look my “TWO CENTS” reply to Crawly above for an appropriate conclusion in order to avoid taking up space on this board.
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praetorian
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Crawly:
Since you are good are repeating things I thought I would repeat a little ditty, where in I provide my “Two Cents” that I have done here before as it well applies to “ALL” of your posts and trust you will agree with some or part of it and if not, oh well, it is what it is!
One Penny: A kind woman who was known for never having anything bad about anyone, was approached by a person who said, ‘I know someone you cannot say anything good about’…..After a moment, she said, then I don’t want to know, and immediately the person said, ‘Satan The Devil’……And the women thought for a moment and said……’He’s a hard worker!’
Second Penny: If the general consensus is Christians believe that all or most roads lead you to God, and JW’s do not, then ponder; Under the belief systems of general Christians, JW’s are saved! Good and Bad are found in and among all people and belief systems, Christ himself had his own bad egg, Judas Iscariot, but that does not did not make Christ wrong or bad! If Judas had written a book entitled “Proof Jesus is not the Messiah, from a man who knows”, I can tell you that none of the other apostles or those that new Jesus and believed in him, would have bought or started to re-think what they knew of Jesus, as is suggested by the people of this board.
I close my comments by quoting the words of a non Christian, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, in Acts 5: 38 and 39, “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do no meddle with this men, but let them alone (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown, but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters against God.”
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 36
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.67
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notice how praetorian will now deny that he is a jw....... it is a common trick they use while they promote the wicked jw false prophet organization.
praetorian, yup..... the wicked gov body of jws is "self-appointed" to rule over all the other slaves........ they cannont be compared to the kings of israel just because they are more wicked.
jesus warned about them in matt 24;24..... he mentioned that they would come along claiming he already arrived and now everyone must follow them to him and obey them.
please stop misleading everyone, praetorian jw.
those standing next to the self appointed korah all died... num 16
everyone, please get the jw book "revelation, it's grand climax at hand" and look at the bunk on page 166 where they claim to be the "two prophets" of rev 11. |
crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 37
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.67
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notice how praetorian will now deny that he is a jw....... it is a common trick they use while they promote the wicked jw false prophet organization.
praetorian, yup..... the wicked gov body of jws is "self-appointed" to rule over all the other slaves........ they cannont be compared to the legitimate kings of israel just because they are more wicked.
jesus warned about them in matt 24;24..... he mentioned that they would come along claiming he already arrived and now everyone must follow them to him and obey them.
please stop misleading everyone, praetorian jw.
those standing next to the self appointed korah all died... num 16
everyone, please get the jw book "revelation, it's grand climax at hand" and look at the bunk on page 166 where they claim to be the "two prophets" of rev 11. |
crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.67
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notice how praetorian will now deny that he is a jw....... it is a common trick they use while they promote the wicked jw false prophet organization.
praetorian, yup..... the wicked gov body of jws is "self-appointed" to rule over all the other slaves........ so they cannont be compared to the legitimate kings of israel just because they are more wicked.
jesus warned about them in matt 24;24..... he mentioned that they would come along claiming he already arrived and now everyone must follow them to him and obey them.
please stop misleading everyone, praetorian jw.
those standing next to the self appointed korah all died... num 16
everyone, please get the jw book "revelation, it's grand climax at hand" and look at the bunk on page 166 where they claim to be the "two prophets" of rev 11. |
praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 187
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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Crawly:
You are not a well person, please for your own sake get some help!
Since you are good at repeating things I thought I would repeat a little ditty, where in I provide my “Two Cents” that I have done here before as it well applies to “ALL” of your posts and trust you will agree with some or part of it and if not, oh well, it is what it is!
One Penny: A kind woman who was known for never having anything bad about anyone, was approached by a person who said, ‘I know someone you cannot say anything good about’…..After a moment, she said, then I don’t want to know, and immediately the person said, ‘Satan The Devil’……And the women thought for a moment and said……’He’s a hard worker!’
Second Penny: If the general consensus is Christians believe that all or most roads lead you to God, and JW’s do not, then ponder; Under the belief systems of general Christians, JW’s are saved! Good and Bad are found in and among all people and belief systems, Christ himself had his own bad egg, Judas Iscariot, but that does not did not make Christ wrong or bad! If Judas had written a book entitled “Proof Jesus is not the Messiah, from a man who knows”, I can tell you that none of the other apostles or those that new Jesus and believed in him, would have bought or started to re-think what they knew of Jesus, as is suggested by the people of this board.
I close my comments by quoting the words of a non Christian, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, in Acts 5: 38 and 39, “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do no meddle with this men, but let them alone (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown, but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters against God.”
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.67
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praetorian, yup..... the wicked gov body of jws is "self-appointed" to rule over all the other slaves........ so they cannont be compared to the legitimate kings of israel just because they are more wicked.
jesus warned about them in matt 24;24..... he mentioned that they would come along claiming he already arrived and now everyone must follow them to him and obey them.
please stop misleading everyone, praetorian jw.
those standing next to the self appointed korah all died... num 16
everyone, please get the jw book "revelation, it's grand climax at hand" and look at the bunk on page 166 where they claim to be the "two prophets" of rev 11. |
praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 188
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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Crawly:
Since you are good at repeating things I thought I would repeat a little ditty, where in I provide my “Two Cents” that I have done here before as it well applies to “ALL” of your posts and trust you will agree with some or part of it and if not, oh well, it is what it is!
One Penny: A kind woman who was known for never having anything bad about anyone, was approached by a person who said, ‘I know someone you cannot say anything good about’…..After a moment, she said, then I don’t want to know, and immediately the person said, ‘Satan The Devil’……And the women thought for a moment and said……’He’s a hard worker!’
Second Penny: If the general consensus is Christians believe that all or most roads lead you to God, and JW’s do not, then ponder; Under the belief systems of general Christians, JW’s are saved! Good and Bad are found in and among all people and belief systems, Christ himself had his own bad egg, Judas Iscariot, but that does not did not make Christ wrong or bad! If Judas had written a book entitled “Proof Jesus is not the Messiah, from a man who knows”, I can tell you that none of the other apostles or those that new Jesus and believed in him, would have bought or started to re-think what they knew of Jesus, as is suggested by the people of this board.
I close my comments by quoting the words of a non Christian, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, in Acts 5: 38 and 39, “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do no meddle with this men, but let them alone (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown, but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters against God.”
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 47
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.67
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yup, the lying wicked jw leadership are just hypocrites, as they call all the denominations of christianity "satanic".
they are the most wicked of all, self-appointing themselves over everyone to rule with demonic numerology.
take a look at their "revelation, it's grand climax at hand" book on page 166 as they claim to be the "two prophets" of rev chapter 11.
jesus warned about them, matt 24;24 |
praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 189
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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Crawly:
We, at least I, am no longer willing to abuse this board with repeat postings of the same thing over and over again. It shows a lack of consideration for this board and the costs associated with administering it.
Crawly, if you want me to address something I will be more than happy to do so, however, this repeating of information is simply not productive and is unnecessarily taking up space on this board; and while you may not be considerate of this or of anything else, I for one will not do so.
I have addressed your postings repeatedly, and in the end, I and others like me, simply don't agree with you despite the fact you are entitled to your opinions, whether stated correctly or not.
I am sorry you are so angry as that helps no one.
Sorry you feel that way!
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praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 190
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Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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Crawly:
We, at least I, am no longer willing to abuse this board with repeat postings of the same thing over and over again. It shows a lack of consideration for this board and the costs associated with administering it.
Crawly, if you want me to address something I will be more than happy to do so, however, this repeating of information is simply not productive and is unnecessarily taking up space on this board; and while you may not be considerate of this or of anything else, I for one will not do so.
I have addressed your postings repeatedly, and in the end, I and others like me, simply don't agree with you despite the fact you are entitled to your opinions, whether stated correctly or not.
I am sorry you are so angry as that helps no one.
Sorry you feel that way!
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 48
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.161
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can you believe how cowardly the wicked lying gov body of jws is?
well, they must run in the face of their own history because they are just lying false prophets, working the matt 24;24 scam
and they don't want to draw attention to the fact that they are lying false prophets.
so, praetorian must sorta beg off now. |
crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 49
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.161
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can you believe how cowardly the wicked lying gov body of jws is?
well, they are assigned to lie because they are just lying false prophets, working the matt 24;24 scam,
and they don't want to draw attention to the fact that they are lying false prophets...so they try to sorta shush that subject up by forbiding members to check jw history on the internet.
but jesus warned about it all in matt 24;24 |
crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 50
Registered: 8-2007
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jw leadership claim to be appointed by god in 1874, oooops ok, umm 1878, wait 1879
errr wait, the date is 1915, errr wait, um 1914, ok...... it is 1919 and rutherford went to jail and fulfilled the death of the "two prophets" in revelation 11.
but from now on you must obey them or die. |
junefever
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Post Number: 14
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Posted From: 67.172.116.155
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"The “cause” is God’s Kingdom. People today die over the right to rule, territory and sovereignty of one nation over another, some think it stupid and others do not!"
How does God’s kingdom translate into denying life-saving medical treatment?
"You may have missed the point I made earlier about JW’s accepting medical treatment and blood substitutes etc. It is not a blind decision, but a very well informed one from their standpoint. Perhaps a little research on your end, before throwing stones, will reveal that not all physicians, (not including JW’s physicians as this would truly be microscopic) believe in Blood Transfusions as an acceptable form of medical treatment therefore; there is dissension in the medical field in general world wide about this! This is a FACT! People die with blood transfusions as well, with no guarantee that they will live! I understand you feel strongly about this, and know the JW finds their view as equally strong as you!"
It is you who need to research JWs stated stance on blood transfusions. They have been forced to firmly state that their stance is not based on scientific or medical data; rather it is based on religious beliefs. They obviously realize their stance can’t stand up to scientific scrutiny. They fully acknowledge that they refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds only. Again, I suggest you do YOUR own research into the religion you so firmly defend.
"You refer to these “few men” as though they contained some sort of mystical power, so that if they would order their fellow JW’s to “jump off a building” that the JW would jump off the building! I submit to you that this is silly and simply not true, and keep in mind that this is their belief held by all, and that these “few men” as you put it, come from the whole of JW’s in general."
That’s exactly what I am stating. Virtually no other religious groups reading the bible has come to the conclusion that a few men in the upper echelons of JWism have: interpreting the primitive “do not eat blood” to include having a life-saving blood transfusions. Just as the JWs previously condemned vaccinations. Someone, somewhere, is making those absurd biblical interpretations. And the rank and file JWs, being the brainwashed lemmings that they are, follow suit.
"You are correct that they have rescinded and or revised their stand on various things, and in the end, those who paid with their lives did so for their “cause” thinking it was the best thing at the time."
Again, a few men decided what was right and wrong, based on nothing mentioned in the bible, but based on their personal interpretation. They demanded people follow their interpretation or risk being disfellowshipped and shunned. It’s hard for me to fathom how a normal human cannot see a problem with this.
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praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 210
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Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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Junefever:
It is the cause, the strong sincere belief that one is willing to give up ones life rather than violate God’s principles or laws, that is the cause that translates into their decision making process not to take blood as a medical procedure, however, you seem to have tunnel vision in that there are many other (much more than blood) medical treatments available today that a JW can avail themselves of rather than blood to treat their themselves! You cannot ignore this as this goes to show that it is the blood they are rejecting and not medical treatments. Lastly a little research will show that more and more physicians, (which do not make up most of the JW’s) are against this and while this is not their “cause” it goes to support the premise taken by the JW on this matter!
Lady because of my wife I have gone to various University libraries, and pulled the AMA reports they have cited in their literature personally, have you?????? You are very well misinformed about this!!! And yes, years ago, they were forced to take a stand for what they believe which pioneered the Patient Bill of Rights and the Right for a Patient to have a say in their treatment that you and I both enjoy and you are correct, all this before there was scientific proof to support them….what a coincidence!
Ok, you are a swayed by the majority good for you! It is that type of thinking that would kept many inventions we enjoy today, from happening, as that is a very narrow mind set that thinks inside the box rather than outside it!!! OK, this type of thinking works for you!!!
Look, one has to manage a faith or organization today, or you have chaos, you feel that management of a faith is wrong, and Brooklyn is a bad place, and these few managers are bad. Bully for you! Others feel differently!
You use the word “normal” and it presumes that you are “normal” and also since stated by you, we must also presume what you mean by “normal.” If you mean by the standard of the majority you are correct! Then again, (get this quote for your reply) God’s people have always been in the minority, considered strange, weird, non conforming; The world killed Jesus the most functioning human on earth however will engage in what is normal as we humans know best!
Say what you want, the reputation of JW’s around the globe is one to be admired, and one must respect the manner in which they stick to their beliefs, with the bad eggs included!
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 75
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Posted From: 4.240.81.45
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yup, the wicked false prophet gov body of jehovah's witnesses says you must die if you need a blood transfusion.... because they have figured out that blood represents "life"...... and so you must die, and not accept a life giving blood transfusion.
but remember now........ hypocrites don't follow their own rules, ..........so when no one is looking, a lot of the higer ups sneak off and get blood transfusions, since they know it is all just a bunch of bunk that they feed to the rank an file jws, and they plan on slowly changing the doctrine later anyway. |
praetorian
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Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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Crawly:
Since you are good at repeating things I thought I would repeat a little ditty, where in I provide my “Two Cents” that I have done here before as it well applies to “ALL” of your posts and trust you will agree with some or part of it and if not, oh well, it is what it is!
One Penny: A kind woman who was known for never having anything bad about anyone, was approached by a person who said, ‘I know someone you cannot say anything good about’…..After a moment, she said, then I don’t want to know, and immediately the person said, ‘Satan The Devil’……And the women thought for a moment and said……’He’s a hard worker!’
Second Penny: If the general consensus is Christians believe that all or most roads lead you to God, and JW’s do not, then ponder; Under the belief systems of general Christians, JW’s are saved! Good and Bad are found in and among all people and belief systems, Christ himself had his own bad egg, Judas Iscariot, but that does not did not make Christ wrong or bad! If Judas had written a book entitled “Proof Jesus is not the Messiah, from a man who knows”, I can tell you that none of the other apostles or those that new Jesus and believed in him, would have bought or started to re-think what they knew of Jesus, as is suggested by the people of this board.
I close my comments by quoting the words of a non Christian, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, in Acts 5: 38 and 39, “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do no meddle with this men, but let them alone (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown, but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters against God.”
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P.S. Thankfully the world and the JW's have you to help them teach them how to hate and drink instead, as the way to God, for you yes? |
junefever
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Post Number: 24
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Posted From: 67.172.116.155
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"It is the cause, the strong sincere belief that one is willing to give up ones life rather than violate God’s principles or laws, that is the cause that translates into their decision making process not to take blood as a medical procedure"
There’s no cause, other than a few men in NYC that have convinced uneducated people that the bible says they cannot have blood transfusions. It does not. People have died as a result of their folly. If you think that’s laudable because they are dying for a “cause” I find that pathetic. But it’s your right, obviously.
"however, you seem to have tunnel vision in that there are many other (much more than blood) medical treatments available today that a JW can avail themselves of rather than blood to treat their themselves!"
A blood transfusion is a medical procedure. It has saved untold lives. Are you suggesting that JWs have taken upon themselves to know more than doctors? Not even the courts buy that bull, as they routinely approve court orders to give blood to minors who are children of JWs.
"Lastly a little research will show that more and more physicians, (which do not make up most of the JW’s) are against this and while this is not their “cause” it goes to support the premise taken by the JW on this matter!"
Are you saying JWs support no blood due to medical reasons? Why don’t you write the WTB&TS and see if they agree with you? They’re not even that stupid to go out on that limb.
"Ok, you are a swayed by the majority good for you! It is that type of thinking that would kept many inventions we enjoy today, from happening, as that is a very narrow mind set that thinks inside the box rather than outside it!!! OK, this type of thinking works for you!!!"
Let’s see…how many scholarly peer-reviewed articles have JWs written in support of no blood transfusions, ever? You say your wife is a scientist, but your irrational comments suggest that you haven’t the foggiest about scientific research.
"Look, one has to manage a faith or organization today, or you have chaos, you feel that management of a faith is wrong, and Brooklyn is a bad place, and these few managers are bad. Bully for you! Others feel differently!"
Great if others “feel” differently. It’s just that people need to be informed that their following the dictates of the boys in Bethel on medical, social, political, and emotional issues, virtually none of whom are university or theologically educated, is at their own risk. The interpretations of these uneducated men can have a major impact on their lives. Follow others' dictates at your own risk.
"Say what you want, the reputation of JW’s around the globe is one to be admired, and one must respect the manner in which they stick to their beliefs, with the bad eggs included!"
Spoken from a position of distinct non-objectivity. The witnesses aren’t admired. At best they're pitied for their relentless pursuit of false prophesy. What the hell have they done? They annoy people on Saturday mornings knocking on their doors to peddle their religion. They’ve contributed zilch to society; in fact they condemn it. Their claims that they’ve accomplished so much for religious freedom are contemptible, because they are among the most intolerant groups one can find in America today. They’ve only fought for “religious freedom” for their selfish ends, not to benefit any other groups. They do NOT believe in religious freedom themselves. They believe in control, not freedom. |
praetorian
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Username: praetorian
Post Number: 242
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
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Junefever:
Wow, what can I express to such a deranged and hateful response, from my standpoint of course; I feel your anger as much as Crawly's and a few others on this board, and it is sad to say the least that you live that way.
You obviously feel the need to criticize me for no other reason than I do not agree with your views, and point out that others do not as well.
The JW believes that the cure for all of mankind’s ailing problems is direct intervention by God, along with a government by him referred to in the Bible as the Kingdom of God. They believe that nothing else will work, and I trust you “may” be able to agree with this concept; meaning God must fix it or mankind is in the pooper! You will have to forgive my poor “irrational comments” as this is the best that I can do, as research is a good part of my professional life. I am glad I do not have you as a client!!!!
In the end, if they are wrong, they will get theirs and if you and those who think like you are wrong, then so will you! This is as fair a statement as I can come up with given that you feel that I am bent to default to “irrational comments.”
There is not much more to say about this subject matter as I find myself engaged in circular exchanges that are going no where, making this an ineffable subject.
Perhaps instead of attacking me, you should offer from your vast experience and apparent ‘superior’ intellect what the correct solution is for all of mankind’s woes!
I would very much like your response on to this as I and all readers of this post know how you feel about the JW’s and apparently yours truly! Thus all I have to offer is my “two cents.”
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crawly
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Username: crawly
Post Number: 103
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.238
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gee praetorian,
it's nice that you think it is just an anger problem with junefever, because she doesn't listen to some grumpy old men in brookly who self-appointed themselves to represent christ and dominate her thinking.
you know, jesus warned us all to stay away, and yes be upset, with false prophet lairs in sheeps clothing in matt 24;24. |
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