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     david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.104.206 |
Penny Torres claims to channel a 32,000 year old spiritual teacher called Mafu. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1625632627740841175&hl=en | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Hi David Thank you for the post... and video... I was going to have these removed but perhaps it is good to leave them alone. As far as JZ being the FIRST Chirst in History... don't worry... Penny has already claimed the title and also named others as equial.. but their deal is going BEYOND a measley little Christ... Yep... They are suppose to be teaching their followers to Become God/Man/Women... the Lord God and Then Lord. So in that regard... the tiney little title of CHRIST has been poo pooped already. One upmansship... who knows... it is all a bit crazy. If you look out over the past 30 years... all of these people can SPEAK BEAUTIFUL words at times... and BRILLIANCE but talk is cheap and does not cook the rice. LOL It is AMAZING how in both groups... the only MASTERY that seems attainable is POVERTY... yep in both camps... POVERTY has been the highest degree of consistent mastery amoung both group of followers... Except for the Channels,they laugh all the way to the bank...as they SING they stupid songs...I Want to Be a Billionaire... I got an email from JZ singing that not too long ago... it was creapy. and they have got to ride on the glory of their devoties funds for a very long time... is that Mastery... or a Con Artist using Words to Manipulate the masses? The answer is .... it is ALWAYS the students fault... you studid slob of a person... smile. Mafu / Penny says it is not GOOD TO DISPLAY your POWER... because others will only want to wroship you..... HA...HA...HA That is only OK if you are actually MAFU... but don't Rock the Boad or you will be beaten by the channel or sent packing... WOOOPS..... Mafu is now a Guru with all the Hindu Pooja's .... and Rituals.. ect and Penny is a Swammi.. so the story has changed a bit. Do as I say .... Not as I do.. So the teachinig is... GIVE UP Christianty... and become a Hindu... Buddhist or whatever is the game in the moment. I don't know about the private life of JZ...but I do know a little about Penny's group... and it is not a very pretty picture behind the closed doors. As you slam your face in the ground and be a good little deciple / slave.... and hope you are not beaten in the name of God/Karma.... of course in this group it is pointed out constantly that you have Bad or Good Karma. I found it AMAZING that if either of these being Mafu or Ramth were Liget... then why did they seem to discredit each other? BIG EGOS of the Lords of the Wind. Smile. Seems these LORDS do not like to SHARE the CENTER STAGE with anyone... as it is. Smile. My God is better than yours... it is all quite sad to watch. If these groups were truly intersted in the WORLD... then why not JOIN and UNIFY a MESSAGE of Peace. Goooooosh... and they expect us poor slobs of a human to get it... When they don't love one another either... smile. When you step back and just Watch and Listen... it has all became a bet CRAZY. Beam me up Scottie... No intelligent life here in either of these groups. (Message edited by Secrets on November 23, 2006) | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 255 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
Yeah, that sure is crazy, but not a bit ... a LOT. I thought it was horrible that Ramtha has physically hit several students...one adult female and one adult male, on two separate occasions, just in the last couple of years. I must say, that Penny Torres-Rubin (if I got her name right), is even wackier than Ramtha...beating people!? And they tolerate it and don't slug her back ? Mind bending. Ramtha and Penny both swear like troopers, based on what you've said about her, and what myself and others have experienced in the presence of Ramtha the ENLIGHTENED One, who needs his mouth washed out with soap ! He has said some vile things - in the presence of children, too. There is no regard for them. It's twisted, and in my opinion, pathological. Secrets, thank you for posting/sharing what you know. The similarities are most interesting. | ||
| in_the_zone Junior Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 50 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
Think about it for a moment. What kind of so-called inter-dimensional, so-called god-like being is out there who tells some truth wrapped in deception that bankrupts its students and makes their lives way more miserable than before they got involved. There really is one being who adheres to this description...who demands blind loyalty,,,who is vulgar...a power maniac, who can do magic tricks...and doesn't care a hoot about warmth, humanity, the heart, caring for another. This being only cares about power, entertainment, getting his jollies at other peoples' expense. There is one being whose personality fits this to a T. There is one being who could conjure up great stories from the ancient past...because that one being has been around for a very long time and has seen everything. 3 guesses, the first 2 don't count. | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
And they tolerate it and don't slug her back ? Mind bending Hi Whatchamacallit... You know, they truly BELIEVE that these CHANNELS are GOD.... not only that... I had often heard Mafu do Mind Control Games like... if you leave or loose your love for your GURU...you will only come back... in one BREATH.... and then in the NEXT.... you are ALL Already Ascended Masters... This double talk is Mind contorl plain and simple. Even Jim Jones conviences hundreds to DIE in the name of God. These groups in public seem normal... it is the PRIVATE.... MASTERY.... and Residents groups that truly KNOW what is going on. Many simply can not leave... they have no skills jobs, family or friends to go to ... This group promoted leving the families and careers behind in the name of God Realizaiton. If you look at the Mafu Web Site... it has beautiful poems from Mafu... and pictures of the group... and people who read believe there is nothing bad about that. yea... WATCH OUT. Follow the Money.... this group has the Oregon Tiger Sancuary also, and so it looks like it is doing good works for humanity. I hope they are NOT BEATING their TIGERS like they are BEATING they student slaves. Save The Tigers... Save The Students... Where do you really start? It DOES NOT ALL ADD UP.... I was there in the beginning when MAFU and RAMTHA both said to LOVE YOURSELF Into LIFE.... In the beginning Mafu did not talk about having BAD KARMA and NEEDING to be BEATEN to get rid of KARMA. This is where the STORY simply does NOT add up. The govt seems not to be intersted.... becuase it is a 501 3(C) Religious Foundation... yet... signed seald and APPROVED by the USA and OREGON. I am truly suprised no one has died there yet... there was a GUN Shooting a year or so ago at the ranch.. but no charges were filed in the end.. so the court did not get fully involved in a big investigation. This group is actually worse then JZ's because they are using Sex and Drugs..+Mind Control...they keep the people confused... From all the post I read about JZ, I don't think her group is into DRUGS and I don't think JZ is a Lesbian or on CRACK or Cocain like the other one. Penny can go both way... with men or women.. remember she was a playboy bunny for a while before she met Tony her first husband... and she lived with Tony Curtis and got drugs for him in her early 30's... at least, this is what she told our group in the 80's when she first started channeling. Another strange thing is, VERY VERY VERY FEW people are WILLING to speak out about the Mafu/Penny Group.... it is ALL about FEAR. If you TRULY BELIVE these channels are GOD... then they are in FEAR of QUESTTIONING... or leaving or falling out of favor with God. I think we have the RIGHT to QUESTION ALL of REALITY... even God and ANY TEACHER... EVERYONE. That is another way they control you... no one can approace openly in a large group and QUESTION the MASTER.... Mind Games again. (Message edited by Secrets on November 23, 2006) | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 156 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.93 |
Thankyou for your posts Secrets. It is an eye opener. I know people from Australia who attended a Mafu retreat in the late 80's. They opted for Ramtha instead. Mafu was also on television here around the same time.There were a lot of similarities in expression with Ramtha. Have you any idea why so few people speak up about Mafu? It sounds like it is getting to the point of obvious criminal offences. Kindly let me know if Scotty does beam you up. I have been looking for intelligent life also....it does not appear to be present with those that claim to be ascended. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 258 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
ITZ...let me guess...the Devil Himself !? Well, that ties into VG's comment about self proclaimed ascended beings not being an example of intelligent life Up There. The teachings say there is no devil. Hmmmm... Secrets: I totally agree with you - we DO have the right to question all of reality and even "God" and any "teacher" ! That's what was behind my comment - when I asked why anyone would allow Penny to beat them without slugging her back. Frankly, I don't care if, in that regard, Ramtha or Mafu is real or not real. If they (a God or the channel of one) would beat/hit a human being, especially in front of children, they deserve to be hit back. People have a right to defend themselves. Or call the police and file charges for assault ! Oh, gosh, I can hear it now...some channel having the cop at her door...saying, "But I didn't do it, it was the entity that channels through me and I'm not responsible for what he does!" How do ya think that would hold up in front of a judge? :::::shaking head:::: I did hear JZ Knight once say, not all that long ago, that she is not responsible for what "Ramtha" does or says, even in our dreams. She had made a direct reference to his possibly visiting women, anything to teach us a lesson, and her comment had clear sexual overtones. I've heard some of these comments on tapes/CD's, also. If I recall correctly, and I believe I do, she said that in 2004 or 2005. That is a "taboo" topic there, so she laughed when she said it, for an unknown reason (unknown to me). I mention that because you referred to the sexual side of the Mafu teachings. At RSE, it doesn't seem to play out in the same way, but from time to time, there are comments made. "Ramtha" has even played matchmaker among students, and paired them up and married them together. Supposedly, these people are like vibrational matches, but then one wonders why some of them end up divorced ? Doesn't sound like a match made in heaven. Sounds like the same issues human beings deal with, who manage to match themselves up without the dictating from a "God". | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 157 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.226 |
It certainly looks like the DEVIL. Ramtha stated that he looked high and low in his incarnation and could not find any devil. Perhaps he found him after ascension?????????? | ||
| secrets New member Username: secrets Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Hi All, What I have understood from Mafu that ALL THINGS HIGH LOW and ALL IN-BETWEEN are EXPRESSIONS "of GOD".... and he comes to us becuase we simply find self-judgement and need to be LOVED into REALIZiNG who we each are in truth. In the begining days, no one said anything about being BEATEN or that we had BAD KARMA... in fact they both said there was no such thing as KARMA... jus life. If you questions anything, then you are JUDGING... it seems NO ONE is allowd to CALL A SPADE a SPADE today... without JUDGING someone. So, the teaching and Mind Control has changed. But think about it, if you need to stay around for 20 years... and your students are not learning... the training must change.... BEAT them into conforment. The human will GIVE in eventually if the person is BEAT enought.... is this ADULT CHILD ABUSE? When I watched the video David posted from West 57th street.... Penny told Meredith Vieira when Meredit confronted her about LIES that were spoken... " THAT IS YOUR TRUTH..... YouR REALITY".. smile. This one statement can be used to JUSTIFY anything on the planet. Let all the criminals in prision be released... after all... IT IS THEIR TRUTH and THEIR REALITY that NO ONE was murdered, raped or taken advantage of.... IT IS YOUR REALITY. THAT IS A BIG CROCK of CRAP... LOL. But, it sort of says it all... it is a FORM of MIND CONTROL... You know, I remember seeing that West 57th program and for some reason... did not hear the part about the Pyramid... That guy stayed with Mafu for a while, and when the Pyramid was not built in the West... he left. Later I remember it being said that he CHANGED his REALITY.... that seemed in the beginning days the ANSWER to all questions. That STATEMENT... can STOP Further QUESTIONS... You CHANGED YOUR REALITY... So in that one STATEMENT ALL THINGs are explained. When you WANT TO BELIEVE in the MAGIC... you do not question further. In the beginning day, Mafu said we would change water into wine, walk on water... instantly manifest mnoey... and basically BE the Masters of the FAR East in this world... but after everyone got hoocked... the VISION changed. Then it was said, God is ongoing into forever, so, of course the VISION changed... it must. In the beginning days, he said FOLLOW NO ONE... BUT YOURSELF.... Take the wisdom and grow. Then his channel became a Swammi... and it became a Guru / Deciple realationship... Lookinig at it over the years... it has became a very sick state of affairs. What is the wisdom of being BEATEN... which is NOT Penny's Reality????... Some Double Talk... Craziness.. Penny to Meredit .... You only SEE what YOU NEED TO SEE... says Penny.. ok.. then no one has been BEATEN????? Is this madness... mental ilness... a con artist... or the drugs talking? | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 204 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.104.206 |
secrets, welcome welcome welcome, thank you so much for sharing with us, Your news that Penny Torres has already claimed the "first woman Christ Crown" is sure to come as a shock to JZ Knight. Perhaps they will have to fight it out in court... dark chuckle.. There seems to be very little information out there from former students of Mafu, the similarities between JZ Knight and Penny Torres are intriguing and shocking, Drugs Sex and Rock &Roll... violence... it never ceases to amaze me just how beautiful and seemingly spiritual these people present themselves to the world, they are much like a fake lighthouse to lure ships to piracy and destruction. If you find yourself in our corner of the universe "Yelm" call by for a cup of tea. David | ||
| secrets Junior Member Username: secrets Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Event Extension.... Many times.... when I was at events with Mafu in Pacific San Francisco and then also at the New Ranch...at Eagle Point Oregon... BEFORE the Ashram was purchased.. there would be Mastery Programs that would be EXTENDED... Now, they already have a captive audiance.... and the event is extended. Guess what.... we would each half to pay additional money for the extension of the event. This was great for the bank account of Miss Penny. And if you left.. you would be out of the program. Like I have said before. God Realization is VERY Expensive. Smile. The best advise I would tell you is, make sure you have plenty of money, because in order for you're God-Realization to be supported by these teachers... you will pay the bucks... because God is NOT Cheap. I do say this smiling... but as I look back at it all it was pretty crazy. But, I do realize to get to the end of the tunnel where you REALiZE it is ALWAYS YOU... and YOU WILL ALWAYS BE YOU.... the Good Bad and Ugly... only then can you STOP the madness. The message in the beginning is ALL THINGS are good enough to be god.... but then the messages changes.... you are not god unless you Chant Chant Chant... Pray Pray Pray... Surrender Surrender Surrender.... STOP... it is ALL MADNESS... Just close the door... and go into you're own closet. You do not Attain sitting IN FRONT of a PROJECTED IMAGE from the ego... and basically if you SEE IT... it is a FAKE from the mind. That which we are... we are. Period... end of subject. | ||
| secrets Junior Member Username: secrets Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
This is interesting... Over the years, I was a computer programmer back before WINDOWS and the many templet tools that programmers use today... back in the 80's you had to KNOW how to write the lines and define the arrays and know where to loops would go... for the goto statementss. I can write in 5 programming languages... years ago when I was with these groups I realized wait... no one... not even Penny herself KNOWS everything ... there are POINTS-of-VIEW within every world that has many subtle details. On Venus, they do not use computers... so all the programming I know does not help me there. The Sanskrit mantras will come to you to USE as a TOOL during meditation... you do not need a GURU to give you a sacred mantra. But even these Sanskrit Mantras are a distraction. my truly deeper meditation were not invoked by Sanskrit Mantras... they simply happened. There were times that I would WAKE UP with Sacred Mantras ringing in my mind... There were many many times that I would recall dreams of being taught during the dream state... those worlds seemed as real to me when I woke up as this one.... in fact, this world seems more like the DREAM most of the time. The point I am making, is that which you need for your re-remembering... will come to you regardless if you study with a teacher or not... In fact, I believe these teachers only complicate things... it indulges your human ego... and then, at the many many Ashrams I have been to over the years... there is ALWAYS a political game that goes on there. How can anything ever be with-held for the sincer. What will happen on the day that these people no longer exist... suppose they will be like the Oshe followers... they will all scater to the wind and end up in court to see who gets to keep the VESSEL of knowledge. Perhaps it is time for some new approach to all of these things. I sincerly belive that ALL OF THIS.... is nothing more than RELIGiON... and RELIGION has a BOX of parameters... and therefore... how can any structure or Teaching be truly UNLIMITED? It simply can't... once there is any teaching... it has became limited. Truly, for me, I had more deep experiences and knowledge after I just went away and stayed in my CAVE in my home. Meditation became like a drug for me... there were awesome realizations... and I made a conscious decision to stay. So that is my story... and I am sticking to it. Save your money... love your life... Love yourself... and go into your CAVE and shut the door... and be still and KNOW... This is FREE.... The Door is always open.... no money required. Smiles. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 280 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
secrets, i agree with you that the truth is free. i believe it is shown to us during our lives on a daily basis if we are only paying attention. "ramtha" has told the audience many times that each person is god. but as the teachings progress, this message changes to being god, ...but... being a ..limited.. god, stuck in this slow dimension and the only way out of here is with the guidance of a master teacher such as the ram. also, that there is no other teacher on this entire planet that is like him. so students fall prey to surrendering much of their lives to this teacher's word. they want god realization so much that they set aside their own unique mind - for one that "knows better". it's a slippery, downhill slope, into the abyss. the school does not have "graduation", even though students were told at the outset that it was a seven year school. it was not true, and the rules changed when the 7 years came and went. students were told they didn't measure up to the task at hand - becoming god - and of course it was their fault that they didn't, because they just did not do ~~ insert discipline of choice ~~ good enough, sincere enough, etc. the teacher was not responsible or at fault in any way, even though "he" wasn't a teacher able to fulfill his mission/promise. refunds, anyone? hahaha caveat emptor emailwhatchamacallit@yahoo.com | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 281 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
david writes: "Penny Torres claims to channel a 32,000 year old spiritual teacher called Mafu. " hey, i just laugh so hard when i read this !!! "ramtha" is 35,000 years old, and this mafu guy is a relatively not-so-distant cousin, eh ? it's so funny when you think about it from the perspective of how j.z. knight has sued so many people and tried to hold a tight reign of control over her empire - and - then there is this penny chick who so closely AND SO BOLDLY seems to copy the ramtha schtick. has j.z. ever considered a lawsuit against her for seemingly being a ramtha clone ? despite my very low opinion about penny, i think her boldness is worth a chuckle. emailwhatchamacallit@yahoo.com |
