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keep_it_true
Junior Member
Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 26
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 5:01 am: | 
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Hallo McSteve,
Just a short moment to say that I visited your album and loved the photos. Especially your Grandfather's store and your little girl.
You have a very interesting webpage, great images and thoughtful posts, although it has some translation problems. Which is just language. Because is is a prophetic kind of page it is important to get the words right, as you know I am sure. Heard is in place of heart and beat is in the place of impact or touch, I think.
I hope that you will find someone who has the time and who also loves you, who can translate for you as you are loving the Lord and His church.
I enjoyed the layout and the emphasis. Interesting reading and your heart and spirit come through as wanting to really love and serve the Lord Jesus seriously.
I couldn't read much as I speak very limited German, but as it pleases the Lord; I hope it is a blessing to others and a valid ministry through you, to encourage and to edify.
Your family appears to have a great sense of humor and to be strong, caring people.
Love in Christ Jesus
Stay warm! Like your hat and life jacket.
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Julia, we don't have healthy fellowship obviously, so like I said I won't be communicating personally any longer and I won't read your posts.
God Bless and Touch you according to His loving and gracious heart. |
mercy_me
Member
Username: mercy_me
Post Number: 84
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 206.228.128.9
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 9:38 am: |
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You know Keep It True you are not the only one who hears from God. And what God has laid on my heart about you is that you are not a peace maker. You like to stir up trouble get things going get everyone upset then walk away. You want everyone to think like you and if they don't they are mean, hateful and controlling and a cult and witch craft I think that is a favorite word of yours.
Witch Craft is manipulating people to get a desired outcome, to think like you. That is what you do. I guess you are practicing what you preach.
I don't know Carman, his Mom the people he works with at all. I don't know anything except what God lays on my heart and it is to pray for Carman and his Ministry. Do you not believe that through prayer God can change things, lives, situations? Do you think that slander and airing someone’s dirty laundry out in a public place will heal and edify a life that is in need of repair?
I don't believe God sits up on his throne and says well done you tore that man down and his Ministry!! You mock Carman and his Ministry, you mock or make fun of anyone who defends his Ministry would God do that?
You have a lot of Wisdom Keep It True and people could learn a lot from you. But you use your wisdom to be a bully. |
keep_it_true
Junior Member
Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 28
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 2:07 am: |
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...Not going to be listening Mercy Me.
You are doing something wrong spiritually and terming it not only as right, but as literal righteousness.
You don't care about Carman mocking and believe it when someone tells you that he does! You are not defending God, and His heart or standards. You are defending yourself and your skewed belief system. Carman would love what you are doing, (not in a good healthy way) because this is exactly why he gets away with a double life in some ways.
They count on people tying their beliefs in God to them so that they can never be scrutinized honestly. Do you think Carman would submit to therapy and counseling or step away from ministry for anything? Can he make a living doing anything else? Does he even know what his calling is in the second half of his life? He would say it is to be a film star. The more he went into celebrity the weirder and harder he became. His mom is all for it.
Do you have a major dispute with Vada having Friends as her favorite show?
Let's ask the question of you, do you think that he should have HBO and Showtime on his home TV?
Do you think he or any of us as Christians, should ever tilt the 80% proof glass and be infilled by the Sopranos and Nip Tuck and let that into our spirits and minds and hearts?
What about CSI Miami?
Does God from His Throne, want us to take that in? Waste precious time and opportunity and waste our lives on "worthless/evil/perverse things that are not edifying and have a defiling impact on character and the spirit?
Can you or anyone live a "normal" life without watching those types of programs just because someone is putting them out there without conscience or moral motives? We should not be watching those. We should not! We can live without it!!!
Should we complain to sponsors and to the networks instead of about the people who won't worship Carman or put him on a false and guilded throne?
Would Jesus watch those or tell him to? No way, however you spin it. Or "Friends", He has already made it clear in the Old and New Books of the Bible that those shows are wrong and they change the spirit and character of those who watch them.
It's okay to for Carman to have a personna that directly reflects his mom's sexual TV and film sex symbol? Does God raise/lift up, the skirts of those who refuse to expose themselves to God or who have false skirts of false authority that does not come from Him?
You really are religious and that is not something that God would defend.
Carman and his mom and his brother and some of the people he has hand picked for power that worked for him or work for him now, have a bully spirit and attitude and they do so in the name of A GREAT MINISTRY. That does not fly with the Lord.
So if Carman's ministry, wouldn't it be more honest to say "the ministry of the Lord that He entrusted Carman with", does benefit others, then nothing critical or opposing to what they do wrong in example or actions shoud be talked about?
You literally sound addicted. Carman choosing celebrity over Christian is not alright with God and the more he schmoozes and charms to cover it up, the more likely after God's patience comes to a limit, he will run into a brick wall of challenge or exposure.
Ask again. What is Carman's response to this post in particular and his mom's or Vada's or her husband who is a pastor. Or any other pastor?
Who is God testing and why?
What do our/their responses reveal and prove? |
keep_it_true
Junior Member
Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 29
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 2:40 am: |
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GOD DOESN'T LIKE CARMAN'S CELEBRITY FANTASIES, PERSONNA AND COMPROMISE. He is called to put on the mind of Christ, not of some star or Elvis, or his mom's dreams lived out vicariously through him and then completely deny it. Denying something is hiding and lying.
Does God defend that? No, but you sure do.
God says in the Bible what He says "well done", about and you are just sounding off again with a religious tone about God's throne. It isn't about serving self or believing the spin or wishes of a man, who knows how to serve the Lord and who has been so abundantly blessed and favored.
It is well done, "good and faithful servant". What is the service and who ordered it?
"LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
What would God say to Carman and the people who are employed by him, from His Eternal, Glorious and Powerful and All Knowing Throne, to do about these posts, AS CHRIST'S CHRISTIANS?
What has He already said in the Bible?
Do you like the points or emphasis of the other posts that talk about TV and morality? I will not purchase HBO or Showtime and I can't understand how or why any Christian would subject their minds and hearts to something like the Sopranos or Friends. Jesus doesn't look the other way, or wink at immorality and the things that have changed the nation and social values more to the immoral in the selfish name of entertainment and titilations.
We won't agree on these things so we should just peacefully ignore each other and not become cyber enemies.
I am not a bully, but I can tell you that is something that is true about Carman, his mom and his deceased brother and some of the people, he strategically has chosen to have around him for "strength" as he would call it. (Celebrity/Vanity more like it)
If Carman's life needs to be repaired, who tore it down or broke it down? Should cetain things in or from a falliable ministry group be "torn down" or does God "mock" after we are "often reproved and still harden our necks". Should this never be talked about in privacy or when prevented by bullying, should it be talked about publically? What about what his mom and his partner relations person put up publically? Can't have an opinion or a standard?
Why you and they say so?
You and THEY are not the boss of me  and my Pastor is not judgmental and out of order like some are that think Carman is nearly perfection or that his real life style and his real character don't mean anything as long as he sings and dances about the Good News.
Hopefully, he will either stop and do something new as God designs it for or through him, or he will realize himself and continue to do very neat and unique things to preach Christ.
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keep_it_true
Junior Member
Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 30
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 2:44 am: |
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This is truly my last personal communication because we will just keep going around in circles. And yes, telling the hard truth about lies can be reparative. You can't fix something or heal something if it isn't clearly revealed and defined or exposed, like a tumor under the pancreas.
So should Ted Haggard have never been exposed?
Who would have been hated and accused and criminalized for trying to do something about it?
You must know about verses that say to try to tell someone something three times, then take two or three witnesses, and if they won't listen, take it to the church. What if the pastor thinks Carman is a dollbaby?
What if Carman refused to listen to strangers or friends? I will give him the understanding that there are looney and unstable people and self serving people who come in sheep's clothing. Not everyone though. Carman can be very very controlling and suspicious and judgmental and arrogant. He has acted many times like a celebrity personna instead of a strong Christian, right before our eyes.
You sound like you can be a truly thoughtful and sweet, loving person and that you want ministry to succeed.
Just remember that God is never in denial and He doesn't lower standards on ministers or people who buy homes and cars from the money that Christians gave to them as action of trust.
If Carman's life and ministry are torn down, which they don't seem to be to us, he would be the one person who would be ultimately responsible for that.
Just try to tell him and see how far that gets, or how many victim statements and scenarios he comes up with. |
mercy_me
Member
Username: mercy_me
Post Number: 85
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 206.228.128.9
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 12:02 am: |
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Keep It True:
I don't know how you know all these things about Carman. I don't read all that stuff you read about him never have talked to his Mother or Vada. I have gone into his chat room a total of maybe 4 times and every time, especially one time I had a great conversation with a wonderful christian single mom, she was very uplifting and encouraging and I enjoyed visiting with her very much we didn't even talk about Carman. We talked about each others prayer needs and our families.
I am not a chat room chatter, I don't know what brings me back here, but it is not because I enjoy this place. I did at one time enjoy talking to different ones. But we could never just visit in here without getting slammed by somebody.
You say I am addicted, I think you are the one addicted you must go on every blog that he goes on to, to know that he watches HBO etc and Vada watches Friends. There are some good movies on HBO and there are some bad ones it's just like any other channel you watch you have to censor every channel on the T.V.
Keep It True I probably would not have ever posted to you in here. But it made me angry watching you enjoy beating the snot out of Julia. Julia was doing just fine holding her own, she didn't need my help. But I just get so angry when I see people especially Christians beat up other Christians. I just thought it was wrong of you to treat her the way you were. Yes your right it's probably none of my business. But I am tired of it. It needs to stop we have got to stop talking to each other the way we do. I hate talking to you like this, I hate talking to anyone like this.
Keep It True I don't want to be enemies with you. But I want to say one more thing and that is I agree with you that we just need to end this.
But before I do, I want to say one more thing. A while back, Carman came to a town close to where I live to do a concert. A couple of days after the concert there was a precious little boy named Brandon who went to Carman's concert. And when I saw Brandon he came running up to me with the biggest grin on his face, jumping up and down, he hugs me and says. Oh guess what? I went the other night to see Carman and it was awesome. That little boy is in the 6th grade and he loves Jesus. And he got to experience first hand, Jesus in that place. Carman Brought Jesus to life for that little boy in a way that he could understand. If you could have seen that little boys face. All I can say is it was awesome. What would make me very angry right now is for that little boy to read crap about Carman that would say to him that the experience he had was not real.
Well Keep It True, I am out of here.
God Bless and Good night! |
keep_it_true
Junior Member
Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 34
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 4:40 am: |
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Guess you told me. ##**!!
And what you are REALLY ANGRY ABOUT stops the world for just a moment, from turning on it's axis.
Carman is called to minister to children, it's true and when he stops the celebrity darkness and aggression and passion and imagination and some other things, watch what God will do through him just past 50!
Have you thought of asking Carman if any of the rumors about him are true and then held your breath for a real or personal answer? Do you think that Carman should have a celebrity with publicity that makes him look important marriage or a test-imony marriage that makes God look important or is actually important?
Who is passing or failing which tests?
He also needs to marry someone who has the anointing that is right for his future endeavors and personal life. He would have to have the right anointings himself, for a woman who God would provide to make them a team in the kingdom. Does he walk in the Spirit, the flesh, the divination of others or his carnal, but very "spiritualized" desires?
Does he truly want what God wants? Is God a jerk to him? Or does he want God to want what he wants? Is he a jerk?
About Julia and youranger again...blah blah blah as the saying goes. Have you not noticed that she beats up on people just fine and that is why my attitude towards her in some respects, became what it is.
Chicken or Egg MMe, Chicken or Egg?
Does it take A LOT to make you VERY ANGRY??
You are addicted. I do not go to every blog. Someone told me about myspace I didn't even know they had one. Did ya ever think that first I came here because of the Rob Thompson threads? Never posted there and didn't post until the myspace LIES AND ARROGANCE AND DISHONESTY AND COMPROMISE POPPED UP. FROM A MINISTRY.
How we know them or about them is absolutely none of your business and you don't even know them. This is an open forum blog about character and cults and ministers and corporations. It is an appropriate place to discuss and to comment on disclosures.
Apparently you are so unfulfilled that you are willing to pay a membership fee to imagine that you are included in his life and his ministry?? Has he changed his newsletter in the past three months? I haven't been there for a while and have looked at it a few times only, (since we are friends and we are confiding in one another).
What good parent is going to allow that little boy to read FACTNET which is a cult site certainly for people over 12?
And OH GUESS WHAT?! It was JESUS THROUGH CARMAN that touched that little boy and God that gave Carman the opportunity, AND IT WAS ABOUT JESUS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND CARMAN IS NOT THE FIFTH GUY DOWN AFTER MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL.
Round and round we go, where this stops,
only God knows.
Actually it does right now.
I will let you show me up, stand me down, try to shake me down and take me downtown, lol. You can have the last word if that is what you need.
You are worshipping a ministry and not the Lord in some ways. Little boys, grown men and many couples, ministers and leaders, liked Ted Haggard's big grin and he touched their lives too all the while...
It is not an issue of respecting the fruits of a ministry and forgiving ultimately for whatever, it is an issue of the truth and talking about it for several types of reasons.
Glad you had a nice chat with a single mom in his chat room, I am sure the vast majority of people in the chat are single women.
Emoticons rule.
Be angry and sin not!
Truly have a nice Thanksgiving,
and God Bless You as well MMe.
(Message edited by keep_it_true on November 21, 2006) |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 175
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 58.168.149.151
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 7:07 am: |
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You are so hypocritical, so you don't want to talk to me, you say our fellowship ois not fruitful (I agree) yet you can talk about me behind my back? And do you think your opinion is worth anything in the scheme of things, I know mine is and only because it is influenced by God Himself.
You are pathetic keep it shady, you talk dung and your voice is like blah blah blah, because you are like a sounding cymbal or gong because you have no Spirit in you, only religion, and that makes you dead girl.
You don't know the issues Carman is facing right now, and you don't even know what his mum is facing or what they are going through with each other, neither do you seem to care!
Even if you post something good, it is still like a sounding gong because you brag about your works and you don't understand about spiritual things.
You want to make a loud noise from under the safety of a rock, well to be in the rock of ages you don't hide because you are lifted on a lampstand for all to see, anyone who hides is of the darkness and doesn't know the light.
So what is thanks giving about, is that when you sit around and be thakful for the food you got? Or is it when you give thankfully, shouldn't you do that always not just one day a year, I don't think God likes your festivals, in fact He hates them, He can't stand the hypocrisy in you and He can't stand your spitefulness and bitterness. As if your opinion about anything matters ms bitter and hateful!
Now you advocate be angry and sin not, yet you blame me of anger! Yeah right! Do you even know what comes out of that mouth of yours, even if you read it a hundred times as if it were a frank creation of yours that you are so proud of? Your perception is not of God, you are proud of your works and you try to set yourself up as judge as you blamed me, you are doing, as you told me I was not you are doing and you are not because it is what you pointed at me and it comes straight back at ya!
Being angry at you is not sinful because you try to pul the kingdom down rather than build it up. You are not approved by God, neither do you know Him, because you don't speak His language, yopu don't speak love and you are not in the light, you just ramble on in the darkness and give yourself false praise for doing it, thinking you are actually doing something for the kingdom, where the truth is quite opposite!
I humbled myself and asked you to point out some constructive criticism, but you wouldn't only to discredit me altogether, yet set yourself up as some authority, like [don't listen to her, listen to me], the voice of the Spirit speaks loudest to those who listen to the Spirit and the voice of the devil (nice and wise as it amy sound) speaks to his children, you are not of God, because God does not keep it shady and God does not criticise without correcting constuctively.
So now your anger is justified and you sin not in it but everyone else has no right to have anger???? Gimee a break!!!
(Message edited by julia on November 21, 2006)
(Message edited by julia on November 21, 2006) |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 176
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 58.168.149.151
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 3:02 pm: |
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The kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force! Halleluya!!!! Rip rip heyaaaaa!!!  |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 390
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 1:32 pm: |
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kit (keep it true)
Many times God has led me to write something to you but then He did not have me to post it.... But, each time He would reveal something... To begin with it was tiresome to use "keep it true" and so God had me to shorten it like many do with long user names. But it spelled "kit". God had me to hesitate before using this cautioning me that I didn't want to offend anyone who may like kittens by comparing your actions to something that is warm and sweet.... So God had me to look up the word kit and I found that kit also means fox and when I read that God reminded me of the scripture about foxes in the vineyard.... And so today He had me to read this and there is no denying you are a fox in His vineyards.
"Catch for us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes." Song of Solomon 2:15
Foxes sometime in search of food would enter into the grape orchards and devour the grapes and spoil the crop. However, the little foxes were too small to reach the grape bunches so they would chew on the vines and it would kill the whole vine. Instead of the farmer just losing his crop, he would lose his vine which was more disastrous.
Song of Solomon 2:15, was a prayer, a cry for God to stop these foxes... It is also a prayer and a plea we utter to God to stop those who come to harm the vineyards of God. For unlike you, we know that this is for God to do.
You've tried to devour any fruit that Carman's labor unto the Lord might produce, but when you can't reach what is beyond your snarling snout, you went for the vine itself, that's what many of you have done. You boasted about what you and your husband do for God, but when someone tried to show you how Carman was able to touch a little boy, you scorned this saying it was God who did that... only because you wanted to devour what good could come from her words. As you said it is most definitely true that it was God who was using Carman to touch that little boy-- a tender grape! Then there are the tender blooms... God reminds me that Satan always goes after God's anointed at their infancy... This is what you are doing. If you can acknowledge that God is working through Carman to touch a little boy, then why do you want to harm him?!? Why would that person who has slandered Carman all over the Internet do so if they were not of Satan? If they were not going after the tender grapes and blooms? |
arron
Senior Member
Username: arron
Post Number: 2896
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.241.6.69
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 3:06 pm: |
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i dont watch carmen anymore due to the fact of his "rapping" sounds of his songs. used to be a person could watch him and be blessed but not anymore ( for me at least), now he is mostly showbiz and does nothing to bless the souls of the audiencce |
fridayisontheway
New member
Username: fridayisontheway
Post Number: 3
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.184.248.32
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 3:33 pm: |
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For several months I have read this thread and can see valid points on each side of the equation.
I once belonged to Carman's chat room, I had many coversations with his mother both in and outside of the chatroom.. I have experienced firsthand hurtful words and actions BUT there are 2 sides to every story so bear with me while I tell you mine.
My chat name was Scamp, ahhhh I can see some of the chatters gathering stones, hold just a sec before throwing them.....I lied I invented a person to be because I did not like myself so why would any one else, this is not an excuse just a simple fact......My lies hurt people I cared about, at the time I knew I was going to prison for mistakes in my past and I needed something anything to keep form going off the deep end.Was I wrong heck yeah can I change it well no. I did attempt to come clean after the fact but the damage was done I did get verbly attacked in the chat room by one of the chatters and Mrs. Licciardello and yes it made me mad at first yes it hurt but really can you blame them, does that mean the CWO is not a Christian group no it only means they are human with human emotions. I do not know Carman's or his mom's heart any more than they know mine to judge them would be just wrong. In prison I began to study the word in a way never before you may call it jailhouse conversion if you like but all I can say when there is nothing else in your life when you have lost everything you have a choice to make . I chose to look up instead of down.
Now my point on this thread regarding Carman you do not have to like him, but you do have to love him. It has nothing to do with whether he deserves it, it has to do with our own command from Christ. Did he not command us to love one another. Christ came into this world to save it not condem it, so if we are to have the mind of CHrsit what right do we have to condem.
The bottom line is this you do not have to support Carman , nor do you have to agree with his methods , but no one has the right to make jusgements on anothers heart. His mother defends him as any mother would her child, and as far as the relationship with his brother and father it is so worng to attempt to cheapen or degrade it. That is his relationship not anyone elses.
The only power we posess in ourselves is the power to forgive, it does not matter if we are forgiven it only matters that Christ has forgiven.
Has Carman sinned yep you betcha so have all of us and it does not matter how close we are to God we will continue to do so. In the end we all stand efore the same man on judgement day and the only sin we are accountable for are our on. If you need a cause to take up there are million of causes in this world that are far more important then the debate on whether Carman is annointed or not. |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 391
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 7:18 pm: |
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friday,
I don't want you to think I'm throwing stones at you but if you met my mother you might find her to be the most loving and giving Christian woman you would ever want to meet.... but, once you got to know her better you would discover that she is guilty of much of the same things Carman and his mom have been charged with... One night I walked into my mother's sewing room and she was watching the E Channel. And on the front of my mother's refrigerator among the mound of pictures of grandkids is a magnet that reads "I don't repeat gossip, so you'd better listen close the first time!" (NOTE... this is particularly relevant to me because I have corrected more than one person here for gossiping. What I wrote was because of what God was directing me to post. So just because God leads me to speak something, it doesn't mean my mother gets it... yet...) And if you think Carman's mother can be aggressive, once on Halloween my mother confronted a cashier in the grocery store because she was dressed up in a red devil costume. My mother went on a tirade about the evils of Halloween and how this young woman's costume offended her. I did everything I could to pull my mother away, pleading with her to stop causing a scene. I did my best to explain to her that she was doing more harm than good.... That happened years ago and my mother has mellowed a bit and is not quite as gungho about expressing her "beliefs" this way... I think she is learning there is a balance of how and when to express our beliefs in love and when something more confrontational is called for-- such as defending someone who is being harmed by say another "Christian" who came as a "predator" seeking to destroy. The point is my mother does not share my spiritual transformation with God. It is this transformation that makes us able to understand things others have yet to understand... much as you can now understand things that you could not before you began to read the Bible for yourself and can now recognize what you did was wrong and you are relying on the forgiving power of Christ to make you righteous.
I think you are trying to say you understand about Carman's mom and she was just reacting to your wrong motives and actions. But a lot will not get this and so that is my reason for bringing up my mother. (NOTE: I was not going to post this because I did not want to expose my mother, who I love dearly, to any abuse, but then I realized that so does Carman love his mom and he would never want to expose her to the kind of abuse she has had to endure... so now I am posting this...) For all that my mother would be accused of getting wrong, she gets a lot right. It was my mother who took us to church and I have to give credit because it was probably her "gungho" methods of instilling in me and my brothers an unwavering belief in God and His love and His forgiveness of our sins, because my mom was faced with a lot of guilt because of choices she made and regretted but couldn't undo. Those choices affected all our lives. For as long as I can remember my mother was also gungho about teaching us the wisdom in giving to God... not to mention also in staying clear of anything occultic, such as not reading the horoscope...
Did her methods work, yes, but sometimes my siblings and I had to learn things the hard way. But, we knew where our hope was when we would make wrong choices. And God revealed He never left us or forsaked us and He brought us each safely through.
Happy Thanksgiving |
fridayisontheway
New member
Username: fridayisontheway
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.192.76.117
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 12:38 am: |
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Faith, first of all I am not trying to be rightoues the entire reason I even posted was to say all of us are guilty of something at one time or another, When there is bad posted about Carman you do not hear the other side of the story as to why his reaction was the way it was. As far as his mother goes she was hurt her reaction was the same as most people would be due to betrayal. She also reacted as any mother would in protection of her son. As far as relying on the forgiving power of Christ well dear none of us would be here without it. It is through his forgiveness and love that we can go on and start anew. We can not change the past and we live with the results of our actions. I did not have to post and tell my story my point is there is always another side so if Carman reacts in anger there is probably a reason I am sure he doesn't say ok today is Friday and I am going to hate anyone with brown eyes.
I have no hate or mailice in my heart to anyone. There is no magic pill to change the past all we can do is try and make things right to the people we have hurt and learn from our mistakes.
I knew when I spoke out I would risk ridicule, I expected it but see faith we can all sit in our comfort zones and think there is only our side or we can step out and acknowledge our faults too.
Whether I support Carman is not the issue, the issue is the only heart we can control is our own and hashing out someone else's life is counterproductive to what we as Christian are called to do.
I do appreciate you sharing your mother's actions I am sure she is a specail lady, however understand this I never said that Mrs. L was wrong in her reaction I respect the woman and I cared a great deal for her, but unfortunatley I did not trust her or anyone enough to just be me as the saying goes "warts and all". That is a regret I will always have to live with |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 392
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
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friday,
I'm not certain, but I think you missed the point of my post... I was agreeing with you that none of us are perfect and "hashing out someone else's life is counterproductive to what we as Christians are called to do."
I used my mother as an example because even though your intentions were honorable and you wanted the animosity toward Carman to stop, there are certain people who would only want to use what you've shared to cause further harm to Carman's mom. Because it's Thanksgiving, it was my hope to make them stop-and-think for one moment what if it was their moms who were on the receiving end of so much angry criticism. Moms are not always perfect, some of them have "warts", but we love them and to see them get hurt is unbearable.
I truly regret that you misunderstood my post. |
fridayisontheway
New member
Username: fridayisontheway
Post Number: 5
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.192.76.117
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Faith - My sentiments exactly
Thank you for your reply
Happy Thanksgiving to you |
uncharmed
Intermediate Member
Username: uncharmed
Post Number: 155
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 206.132.122.10
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Friday I like your honesty and your determination to be balanced to whatever degree.
I agree that a good mom will defend her child no matter what age.
What I don't agree with though is the way Carman people are so hateful to anyone who does not like something in or about his life. Two wrongs never make a right and some of the things shared about him are wrongs on his part.
It is not cool to be in a wife husband kind of relating between a man and his mom. It is common enough in men or mother's lives that therapist write entire books or chapters on it. Jokes are abounding in our culture about it and psychologists talk about it too.
A Mother is not exempt from critisism or being held up to a light. Carman isn't either. If I found my life and practices on the Bible then I would have to say that he has to be held up to the light more than a typical person because of what he does and where his income comes from.
Loving Carman is the right thing to do but loving the people who don't love or like him is also the right thing to do.
What is wrong with Carman and his ministry that it attracts so many off and hateful people?
Is he mature enough and is he humble enough to hold that reality up to the light?
Be careful Friday about HFL, my parents are very secure and respected in ministry and they have negative discernment about her. Her words sound right on but there is darkness and hate and control behind it. And she is completely wrong about somethings. She isn't yours or anyone's authority and when she acts like that it is a type of witchcraft.
I kind of think you are Grace hiding behind another name again.
Either way God loves you and me and Carman and everyone so much we don't even realize it fully.
There is a pastor who prays about people and has ill will here and when he is judging or praying heaviness on the neck and the back happens. Pastors are never perfect and these days they also go into false dominion and judgmentalness and then guess what the result is? Duh more oppressions and assignments that they send out or cause by doing the wrong thing with their souls and with prayers that are mostly witchy and not anointed by God start giving people heart attack symptoms or stiff necks and more stuff. It's real warfare and pastors are sheperds who should be gentle and understanding not judgmental and controlling.
I was getting a weird stiffness on my neck and an oppression and of course I asked Jesus if it was my fault first. Nope I asked my parents and someone had strong and very clear understanding that it was from a pastor who has a quiet rage and arrogance prob. Be careful what you do with prayer and don't take sides. Be on the side of goodness, truth, peace and holiness. Of course love and healing too.
Satan loves this stuff. Sic.
Oppressions are supposed to be stopped and lifted off by pastors who only servants and not "rulers over God's inheritance". Hope this pastor reads his Bible a lot more often.
Merry CHRISTmas!!
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