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david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 188
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.104.34
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 1:30 am: | 
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Apparently finding the porta potties is not going to be an easy option during their three days of "initiation"
of RSE students hoping to join the ranks of "Ramtha's" Blue College.
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Yelm. |
voidgate
Intermediate Member
Username: voidgate
Post Number: 151
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 144.138.162.14
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 2:35 am: |
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Perhaps it replaces archery as a new form of blindfolded target practice??????
It is by no means certain of the aptitude of the students. In view of this I would conclude it could be a potential breach of health regulations. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 189
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.104.34
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 5:08 am: |
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They are sleeping in tents.... It is winter,
Three days and nights totally blindfolded...
No talking....
Only those that complete the three day "initiation" will be allegeable to join the "Blue college"...
Blue College students will be will be taught exclusively by "Ramtha"...
JZ Knight will "teach" everyone else.....
This is all about sensory deprivation....
A new variation of mind control methods used by other destructive cults,
JZ knows well how to gain control over her flock,
Dangerous and sad...........
David |
voidgate
Intermediate Member
Username: voidgate
Post Number: 152
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 144.138.162.46
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 8:01 am: |
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All of those days sitting on "Paradise Beach" in February in the early 90's accomplished absolutely nothing except a lot of respiratory infections.
RSE is unique. There is no other place in the world where you can get such overnight accommodation, sitting in a freezing paddock for such a high price. |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 38
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 12:07 pm: |
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It never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for we humans to focus on what doesn't matter. And I find it equally amazing, although simultaneously sad, that there seems to be a never-ending, winding road packed with naive & gullible thrill-seeking souls ready willing and able to plunk down cold hard cash so that someone, for example with a robe and an accent and a few good stories can dupe them, con them and lead them down the primrose path to nowhere.
If people are willing to believe that walking around in the rain blindfolded, defecating into a bag and eating little or nothing for days on end...if they think this has any value what-so-ever, then so be it...they deserve whatever RSE dishes out.
I know some of the people on this site have the good intentions of warning others as to the dangers ahead by immersion into RSE folklore and this is a noble cause to be sure. The problem is, as PT Barnum so aptly stated it many decades ago..."there's sucker born every minute".
Are there any people out there who having been warned by the participants of this site and who have chosen by an act of intelligent reasoning to not attend RSE or to leave RSE after having gotten sucked in by the lure of glory? I'd really like to hear if there are any who have read the signposts and chosen a different route...or are we merely engaging in a post RSE chat room? |
gingermint
New member
Username: gingermint
Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 68.148.15.120
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 12:58 pm: |
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for myself, i found out about this site after a lot of searching on the internet, and after reading something in the williamette? about david. i typed his name in and found this site.
there is nothing front and center about RSE other than what RSE puts out there.
i dont see myself as having difficulty leaving RSE but i never really 'gave' myself to them. There was nothing new they taught at the events.
i spoke to one of the leaders first or second day i was there about some questions i had had that already came up. they were not able to answer me and had no idea as to the implications or outcomes. i realized i would be on my own and acted accordingly. they have no spiritual training at all, and have no idea what to do if there are problems that arise from their practises.
i have looked at all the videos/links posted on this site. i dont know if it is possible, but it would be wonderful if there was a page/side bar, with those links easily available especially for new people.
the value for me in the board is that i can see how other people think and feel about various topics/experiences and i can extrapolate from that. i would think other people would do the same.
i was deeply impressed by joe in the larse video and the video with dr.? harary. joe has a brilliant mind and the way he thought about things i thought was amazing. i would have come to yelm to see him if i could have freed up my schedule, if i had known about him. (I do not live in the states).
i have things i want to do/learn and will go on from here and RSE. I also respect that david and others have found a value in keeping this discussion board going, that it does have value, and a value to me as well. i think that is the nature though of a place like this discussion board, that some hold it together and a lot pass through...kind of like going to a health care practitioner. people show up because things are not well in their lives. so there are those with the concerns and those who support/help with the concerns.
i imagine i will keep in touch loosely, more to follow the site, joe and david. i never knew about exit councelling, but i have never been interested nor involved in any great way with cults. i had brief times where i looked into a few organizations, but never stayed more that a few months. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 241
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 11:15 pm: |
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just excellent posts. all i can say is "ditto".
i do know for a fact that the posts on here (rse portion of factnet) have helped others. i mean not only folks who have posted on here and said so (myself included), but others who have not posted, but have found other ways to reach the people on here who do post.
there are plenty of lurkers searching for info, and finding support here. so, you can know that when you post, your words are reaching out farther than we can see on here !
ITZone...awww, c'mon ! where's your sense of adventure ?! LOL don't you want to invest some time/money into a long weekend where you have to go potty in a disposable bag ?
or, is the question, why would an ascended master expect or ask any one to endure such treatment, in order to have earned the blessing of his presence teaching them ? red flag # 101. |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 39
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:08 am: |
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Bingo, whatcha...I would say again that ramtha is not a benevolent being. I really don't think degradation & humiliation of others is a good example of benevolence. |
gingermint
New member
Username: gingermint
Post Number: 10
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 68.148.15.120
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 2:06 am: |
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i have been thinking quite a bit about these posts the last few days.
i know it is easy to see how petty some people's actions can be, or that their thoughts tend toward what appears to be nothing things. my experience has been that usually the small things are really the covers for explosive things and experiences. it is about the experiences they are having and people's experiences are labeled 'money', 'toilet', 'disposable bags' etc. i think the real conversation or experience being had in this case, is the relationship to human dignity and what it means to the person who engages it.
people focus on the 'things' and argue endlessly about it, but really it is not about the things they are talking about. i think also, to really hear what people are saying, is to listen past the apparent smallness. there is something big underneath, something that really needs to be heard and listened to.
that is real. |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 41
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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For me, the smallness is a so-called ascended master that tells people they are gods while chastising them for their humanity.
Smallness is herding people like blindfolded cattle and having thug-like red guards shout at people walking around in a maze in the rain bumping into fences and each other.
Smallness is blindfolding people and squeezing them into a tank and watching them from above scurry around like prisoners.
Smallness is what goes on at RSE. JZ is small and her mentor is small because they try and convince people they are more than human, that they are fantastic, masters in the making. And yet, the most important experience of life, the most valued opportunity of being human is thrown under the bus...the gift and priveledge of experiencing our humanity.
In fact, to me, what goes on there is anti-human....like a prejudice against humanity. For example, last summer at the tank. An elderly woman fell outside the tank and was screaming in pain. She was near where I was. I couldn't help but want to throw off my blindfold and rush to her. The red guards screamed at everyone to leave her alone. She screamed and cried in agone for probably 10 minutes un-aided by anyone. Eventually I could hear her being carted off by a red guard. She broke her leg, it turned out and people said she deserved it because she wasn't focused or something. I was appalled. And I thought, these SOBs are just downright cruel. If the Christ was there, what would he have done. If an actual ascended master hasd been anywhere nearby, would that master have really been able to turn a deaf ear to the agony of pain and the cry for help? |
happytobefolkieagain
New member
Username: happytobefolkieagain
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 68.105.115.122
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 11:26 am: |
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I think it's interesting that the students are required to demonstrate their beleif, strength, willingness and faith without fear in the form of disciplines and tests (e.g. assays, bootcamp, unnessary biological relief practices) to a "teacher" that won't provide documentation or support for any of the things (small and large) she proclaims.
In an interview, Greg Simmons said that "we're not in the business of convincing"...So, what is RSE in the business of??? Jesus was "in the business" of convincing people with compassion and magnificent feats. For example: walking on water, turning water into wine, and oh yeah...healing the sick!
Why should we let an elderly woman cry out in agony from a broken leg when Jesus (and most people) would have helped her. If we are truly masters...shouldn't we (or the red guards, JZ, "Ramtha") heal her??? No, wait...
a)She needs the experience.
b)She should have healed herself.
c)She had fear and that is why it happened.
d)We are walking this journey alone and that is HER drama.
e)She is frequency specific to pain if we help her we will be frequency specific to her and therefore to pain.
Please, pick your favorite canned response 
God, Life, Humanity, the Universe, whatever you what to call it, but most of all...Love is compassion. I commend you for taking off your blindfold!!! |
gingermint
New member
Username: gingermint
Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 68.148.15.120
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:17 pm: |
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i also think there is a disregard for people who are not used to the climate there. for people who come from other areas, many may have no idea as to the safety precautions one should take. it would be the same to go to a tropical country and not be instructed as to the dangers of the insects, snakes etc.
being in a colder climate there are also precautions one should take, and being wet for extended periods of time without the means of drying and warming up is a bad situation.
from what i see, i dont think new people are advised of the conditions.
i also was in an event where someone broke their leg. there is no support for anything there. |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 42
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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I know what I'm about to say is not very popular with some people. But I will say it anyhow. The so-called "spiritual" world does not imply without keen observation all that is benevolent. There are many hangers-on in the unseen world, the spiritual world, hangers-on in the sense of beings who make their transition but can't seem to leave their worldly world behind and move on. They hang onto people, sucking their energies to keep their delusion afloat, to keep their pain intact.
Additionally, there are beings in the so-called spiritual world who do NOT have your best interests in mind when they teach you little magic tricks like finding your card on a fence among other things.
These days with the so-called New Age "me too" philosophies & practices so rampant, people think that "spiritual" is good, honest, loving. This is a naive interpretation of reality. Spiritual simply means of the spirit. And lest any one of us ever forgets, there are spirits that are good, benevalent, compassionate, helpful and contribute to the overall love in the universe. Then there are spirits who do the opposite...those who entertain you while filling your mind with poison...those that try and convince you that ye are gods...those that take your hard-earned money and inebriate themselves with $500 bottles of wine....yes, Virginia, it's true. Some spirits you should just stay away from and do the opposite of whatever they say. |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 43
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:51 pm: |
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One more thing...before the time of Christ, there were 2 Hebrew Rabbinical schools of thought. At one of the schools, the head Rabbi had learned how to transplant trees from one area to another with his mind. He could also change the current of the flow of a river. This story, by the way, is in the Talmud.
The second rabbinical school had a head Rabbi who disagreed vehemently with these kinds of acts. He maintained that the laws of the universe should be translated into those ideas and actions which enliven the human heart, not entertain idle minds with magic tricks. |
elsiet
New member
Username: elsiet
Post Number: 22
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 203.100.214.198
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 7:31 pm: |
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Here we have O.S.H -Occupational Safety & Health
Are there any regulations similar that RSE would have to abide by?
ITZ - certainly agree your take on spirit [possession] is correct Before I ever heard of ramtha the thought of dabbling into spiritulisum because of its dark side & demonic forces would have been the last thing i would have done!
Upon hearing those early R tapes I was seduced into believing that here was Truth - Over time with so many lies duallities & misguidance even the sound of R/JZ's voice is disturbing for me |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 243
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 7:58 pm: |
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ITZ...I agree with your viewpoint about the reality of malevolent spiritual forces. Years ago, I read a book that warned those on the spiritual path, not to fall prey to the trappings of magical feats. Yes, they are real, but they are trappings. IN MY OPINION, RSE falls into that category. It teaches one how to experience the trappings - and some of the disciplines work, some of the time, for some of the people. It's a hook. Yet, it does nothing to truly catalyze spiritual evolution. It just catalyzes sporadic magical feats, yet the claims of 200 years of life without death, reversing aging, ascending the physical body into "light" without death...none of these things have happened. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 244
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 8:11 pm: |
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gingermint...
is it not the bigger "things" that are connected to the experiences folks are talking about, that are about human dignity ?
human dignity is eroded in rse, and is also done so in the name of getting rid of your altered ego, your HUMANITY (that's a bad thing, you know, LOL), or also less commonly called in these times, getting rid of your monkey mind. students are told it is good for them to fight their necromancers (things connected to their altered ego).
so, if you don't care about your body - your humanity - then you can prove it be being bigger than your body, and controlling your body. students have been told many times, do not get up to go to the bathroom during audience (this can be for HOURS), as it is your desire to escape and not hear what is being said. so, folks sit and listen to the teacher, for hours and hours, lest they get up and dare to go pee and then endure riducule upon arriving back at their seat. master that body !!!!! don't be weak !
it is utterly degrading to a female who may be in the heaviest day of her menstrual flow, to be in the tank for hours and hours on end, and no way to change herself. to the point that blood runs down her legs because in 10 - 12 hours in the tank, she can't access a bathroom.
i could go on and on about how students are pressured to "be bigger than their bodies" in the "school".
there are a few shower stalls on the "campus", and almost no time to use them. they are inadequate for the number of people there. more so in the olden days, students were told (who stunk horribly after strenuous disciplines, and/or hot weather, that they were releasing toxins (also known as BODY ODOR) because they were toxic in their mind, too. again, blaming the student for being human. many variations on this theme. the women's restroom smells horrible after a week long event.
people sit very close together, and it gets quite "fragrant" in the arena as the days go on. i have seen/heard instances where folks who come into the audience who have clearly showered and smell pleasant, be ridiculed for being so stuck in their bodies that they still cared about how they appear. they've been told that they can't possibly do disciplines successfully if they only care about their body.
oh, i could go on. i've made my point. ...sigh... |
gingermint
New member
Username: gingermint
Post Number: 13
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 68.148.15.120
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 8:37 pm: |
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i think people are important, and what they think and feel are also important.
i have done personal study into abuse etc, and people will often talk about the things that were of issue in that family/society. commonly money is an issue in abusive situations, where one person controls the money and the other person/people have little or no control over money and hence no control over their life.
so money would be the topic of discussion, but in truth it was the power imbalance in the relationship.
the fact that people would consider buying plastic bags for disposal is interesting. it talks more about how they percieve themselves. are they less because of it? i would say no. that it is in the masters connection newsletter is interesting too. it talks to me about a state of mind. what is the state of mind of people who go to RSE. that interests me. why do people give away their self respect and dignity? |
pianoman
New member
Username: pianoman
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 216.128.229.39
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 9:27 pm: |
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In answer to IN THE ZONE'S inquiry: "Are there any persons out there that have been influenced because of the postings and not
been swayed to attended the RSE?". YES! About a year ago I got caught up in the literature and read the WHITE BOOK, THE FIRE SIDE SERIES and purchased some DVD's. I honestly considered making a trip to Yelm and possibly attending the courses offered by the school. After many months and hours reading and investigating the posts here I HAVE LEARNED AND MADE SOME INTELLIGENT CONCLUSIONS REGARDING THE RSE. Thank you form the bottom of my heart. Everyone KEEP POSTING.
I am grateful for this messge board and have encouraged others to view the ideas found here. Again YES, IT HAS BEEN WORTH YOUR POSTS! The truth shall set you free. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 193
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.104.206
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 9:38 pm: |
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pianoman..
Thank you...
You are music to my ears..
chuckle,
David. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 246
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:11 am: |
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gingermint asks, "why do people give away their self respect and dignity?"
they give it up because they no longer believe in your definition of what constitutes dignity and self respect. to an indoctrinated student, those two qualities are seen in one who addresses only very basic bodily survival, so that all the their attention can be put upon their god-self-spirit.
so it's all in the semantics of how the meaning being assigned to words, gets rearranged.
it's subtle and insidious.
hope that helps . |
naturegirl
New member
Username: naturegirl
Post Number: 2
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.18.11.144
| | Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 1:58 pm: |
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Voidgate,
Your post was a funny one, I forgot about Paradise Beach!!! That was a high price.. YIKES |
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