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keep_it_true
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Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 12:12 am: | 
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You seem to want to be out touch with reality and mostly hurt each other. Should we not discuss what Ted did or who he is as a person?
Almost everyone who posts about a bad experience with Carman gets nailed by "fans" and people who lack the integrity to be honest. If you talk about the pieces of his relationship with his mom that are riddled with her identity or emotional incest the "BIG CHRISTIANS THE HOLY ONES" go for the jugglar of people who have seen things that are out of sync.
His mother has systematically and falsely been given a position that looks like authority spiritually that she does not have. Carman used to be the type of Christian and man in process who would consider it. He and his mom are celebrities together and he is the celebrity that she dreamed of being. It is sick. She has no authority spiritually other than when he was a child and she was not that good of mom. She violated his boundaries and controlled him.
If she was such a good Christian, tell us why was he so hurt and made fun of in his own home? His brother beat him up and called him four letter names. His dad abandoned him emotionally and his mom and his mom turned to handsome talented insecure intelligent Carman for the emotional place her husband should have had. Carman allowed it and he clung to her rigidly like a man usually does with a wife.
He called her every day on the road for hours and his cell phone bills were astronomical. She taped TV programs for him and FedXed them constantly. They were like mates.
When people give her a place of reverence in their lives they are out of order spiritually. She did not make Carman the successful minister he was or is. She actually made him sick in ways he would not have become sick mentally. He has had friends that were very concerned about her and her over indulgence and controls about him.
Especially after his dad died.
Her house, her bedroom filled with photos and all things that reflected him. Just weird and just sick. Definitely over the top. It is like a set from a horror movie or something strange.
She is not an authority in the Body. People ascribe honor to her and it is not normal or based in a true position from God. Its like a magic spell and charm. Its a demand too. Carman should have given this crown of favor (Bible term) to his wife not his mother.
He was so angry and combatitive and a really hurt kid that they sent him away to a military school. He dropped out of high school and ran off to Vegas. This does not demonstrate his mom's great parenting. Her intimidation is pure witchcraft and she has darkened him spiritually.
Pull a Ted H member and think it can't be true and deny it but it is true.
The way they brag on myspace and in publications is more than rude its manipulative and more of that Italiano witchcraft. The hate and ill will they can dispense is like old country low class mafiosa. But they claim, even Carman does to have been real Christians as a family.
Yeah right. That home was {far} from Christian. He also resisted the Lord for ten or eleven years.
Which would be fine and its a testimony but now they all lie, spin, deceive and never let anyone even associate those kinds of terms to them. |
keep_it_true
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Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 1:10 am: |
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On MySpace they are lying up a storm and putting their fake best foot forward. It is the abosolute opposite of humility. The arrogance in these people and the worldliness is wrong.
Vada's favorite TV program is Friends!!?? You have got to be kidding. There isn't a single epsidode of that program that isn't immoral. It usually contains 3 to 4 immoral ideas in each episode. It is a program that one has to renounce and repent for to move on with the Lord. Seeing people in those sexual situations and making light of it is against the New Testament. Not being boring or overly religious in spirit myself, it can't be denied that watching that TV show is compromised. It is an errosion on values and morals all wrapped up in comedy and slap stick. Vada is obese and arrogant and derives a power fix off of Carman's life and ministry. These things are far from holy and humble.
When speaking of Ted Haggard there isn't hatred in my heart. It was so devestating for him, for his family and for the whole Body around the world. At least he admitted that he has perversion and darkness and stepped down. He lied at first and who wouldn't. He was probably hurt sexually as a child and it continued on in acting out and addiction types of things. No excuses here though. At least he said it straight that he was a deceiver.
There was so much grief and sadness. I threw up more than ten times. One thing that is comforting is that the Lord has been saying that He will use this and turn it to the good.
Carman would never admit to anything and he blames whatever is wrong with him on someone else. He would threaten to sue anyone who outed him and he would blame his behavior on something or someone.
It just reeks, that they are lying so much on MySpace.(you'll throw that word back at this post Kookies/Julias/Carles of the world)
Carman wet his bed until he was older and was so angry and stressed and truamatized because he was mistreated. Screamed at, hit, beat up and demeaned and bullied. His mom made him into what she wanted to be for her own happiness and he has hatred for women in his heart because of it.
His life would be greater if he was seperate from her in the right way.That is not to say that he should hate her and reject her. These people don't want to tell themselves the truth about themselves. They are so vicious to anyone who brings anything to light. That is what defined true abusers do. Revenge and domination and curses? Where does God say that is okay if someone says something you don't want them to say? Some of the posters who support these people pray for others to die or get sick. That is sick spiritually and not of God.
Why do Christians lie so much? Nancy should not have the respect and the fear of anyone. She is not a Pastor or Prophet or minister, and in spite of her incest and her domination her son became successful in ministry because God anointed him. She knows how to talk like a stronger Christian and that is manipulation.
She and the women who are so close to her or pretend that she is a spiritual authority because she is Carman's mother, are involved in a type of witchcraft. That is another way she is using him for herself. She and he should be rebuked. She thinks she is the only one who should do the rebuking. Charm is deceitful the Bible says too. |
keep_it_true
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Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 1:39 am: |
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When the pages went up on Myspace that was it. The most arrogant, supposedly innocent and major ministry folks are the ones who are hating truths and lying themselves.
"Houston we have a problem."
If Vada can't control her weight and if she allows Friends into her spirit and she is so arrogant to some people then that is a mark of the spirit and the mind set of that ministry.
Does she watch Friends because Joey reminds her of Carman? There is pornea (Greek word for sexual sin) in incest and immorality and she loves Friends which is full of it. She seems to be using Carman. That is sexual behavior. She would deny even the notion, thoroughly.
He {makes her life and gives her a sense of power providing her entrance into the lives of thousands around the world. If his mom is her best friend and mom is so dishonest about herself and Carman, that is a huge red flag.
Carman married someone he couldn't trust because he has women in his life in primary positions that at some very deep levels he can't really trust. He could trust Jesus because He is totally safe in everyway and is the Mighty and Wonderful Counselor.
That is why he would need to get close to God and hear Him personally since you say he doesn't.
The proof of what they are like is who they accuse of being criminals when they are telling the truth. Not referring to some people who have posted here who are particularly angry at him and say things about him dying or Vada dying. That is just as wrong as what they do. It isn't Biblical living and it isn't sanctioned by the Lord.
The point has been made in this blogging site and several others that the "Carmanites", (a name that a woman on myspace calls herself)that anyone who defends Carman is so violent and hateful. There are prayers flying back and forth, binding/loosening, death threats, accusations, rejection, name calling, Bible verses taken out and used like machetes, and gossip and vanity and curses galore.
It is hard not to reflect "that " on Carman, and his ministry because of the defending and which category of those who are doing those kinds of things. It comes down from the top. Have you ever heard Carman admit to doing anything? Is it okay for them to lie and make themselves look like wonderful perfect people? The biggest showdowns here have been over the idea, not even facts necessarily, that Carman has done something or has abusive traits.
You say Carman and his mom and Vada and his supportors don't hate and are only "attacking" the people who hate him. That isn't true. The haters are on both sides of this blog. Why are you people praying against each other and cursing each other rather than doing what Jesus taught you to do?
Why does Carman qualify people as criminals if they critisize or expose him? That is a bit much and not Christ like. It is a crime in God's Kingdom authority to hate and vengeance belongs to Him so it would be stealing in a primary way.
How does Jesus literally command us to take abuses or accusations?
Has anyone in the infamous chat zone ever been admonished to react and to speak in love and to pray for the cursers to be blessed? Is it wrong to tell the truth about a major minister's actions or character?
Has Carman tried or is he trying to stop the Lord? If he says or you say, no; he is only trying to win the millions of souls that he and his mom are called to champion and he only wants to stop the crazies; then where is the good fruit and love, that should be around a person like him towards his detractors? Is there something dark he is hiding so he is lashing out?
What would the Carmanites say if they were Haggardites and if someone had tried to express concerns or anger about things discerned or noticed? |
kookie77777
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Username: kookie77777
Post Number: 45
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 68.0.74.139
| | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 11:49 am: |
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wow u must be a good friend of the family... i don't think so, with friends like u who needs enemies...let air ur dirty laundry sweetheart.. pray hard and ask for ur own forgiveness as u will not answer for carman. |
julia
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Username: julia
Post Number: 163
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 124.180.2.185
| | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 3:46 pm: |
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Know what? Yes it is true I like Carmans work and I even like him as a man, but that hasn't got anything to do with how I feel about all the stuff you just said! You know it is not your buisness to talk about people the way you did, if he used to •••• the bed and all that, I know a few people who had that problem and people line up for their autographs now. His mother? I don't know her but if you like someone you respect their mother, that is just something that happens and goes with respect, I know you kew I'd probably say something, fact is I am not a Carmanite, I don't follow him , don't do chats and sometimes I even abuse him. I think you are out of order with the stuff you said, his relationship with his mother has got nothoing to do with the rest of the world, I'm sure they can sort their own stuff out and don't need spiteful people like you sticking their nose in where it is not needed. |
kookie77777
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Username: kookie77777
Post Number: 46
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 68.0.74.139
| | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 5:13 pm: |
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WELL SAID JULIA.. |
kookie77777
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Username: kookie77777
Post Number: 47
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 68.0.74.139
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How does Jesus literally command us to take abuses or accusations? ONE FINGER OUT AND THREE BACK AT U!! HOW DOES IT FEEL |
bubblebuster
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Username: bubblebuster
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 172.132.51.214
| | Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 7:33 pm: |
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kookie77777
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Username: kookie77777
Post Number: 49
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 68.0.74.139
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Have you ever heard Carman admit to doing anything? Is it okay for them to lie and make themselves look like wonderful perfect people? The biggest showdowns here have been over the idea, not even facts necessarily, that Carman has done something or has abusive traits.
ALMIGHTY PERFECT ONE KEEP IT TRUE
YOU MAY CASTE THE FIRST STONE NOW |
kookie77777
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Username: kookie77777
Post Number: 50
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 68.0.74.139
| | Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 9:26 am: |
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"BIG CHRISTIANS THE HOLY ONES" go for the jugglar of people who have seen things that are out of sync.
AND WHAT VEIN ARE U GOING FOR? |
bubblebuster
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 172.163.63.86
| | Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 12:04 pm: |
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Kookie
When facts get in the way of motives attack the messenger.
Shouldn't CASTE be CAST?
Bubblebuster |
carle
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Username: carle
Post Number: 47
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 172.163.63.86
| | Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 12:11 pm: |
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Bubblebuster
Why can't people leave things alone. I thought it was over. Now you have started it all again. Why don't people leave Carman alone. Not only Carman but his mother as well. Even Vada is getting some heat from the non-fans of Carman. She doesn't need that now especially since she is going through a tough time financially. We should be helping her not trying to hurt her. Yes, I'm disappointed in Carman and his myspace thing. He has to do something to get his popularity back. There's nothing wrong with doing a little worldliness to get to where you want to be is there?
Carle |
zebra
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Username: zebra
Post Number: 233
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 172.149.213.120
| | Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 3:40 pm: |
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Keep_it_true:
Excellent posts! Please continue.
Perhaps, one of the reasons the Carmanites become defensive when one brings up the facts is because they have a double standard. This is especially true of the girls from the paid chat site. Some of those girls would support their "Man" publicly, no matter what he said or did, while voicing great concerns when speaking among themselves. Some question the motive behind what C has done on the MySpace site, yet they will never voice that concern on a public forum. They are very concerned about the direction he has taken.
Perhaps, the mentality of the Carmanites can be summed up in the words of Julia, in her post # 163 above, where she stated the following concerning C's mother, " I don't know her but if you like someone you respect their mother, that is just something that happens and goes with respect." She also stated the following taken from the same post #163, "...his relationship with his mother has got nothoing to do with the rest of the world, I'm sure they can sort their own stuff out and don't need spiteful people like you sticking their nose in where it is not needed." Thank you Julia, I believe this speaks volumes.
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Kookie:
Does "well said" have the same meaning as "said well?"
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Bubblebuster:
You stated in your posts # 2 the following,
"When facts get in the way of motives, attack the messenger." I couldn't have said it better myself. (smile)
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Carle:
Didn't you once have the name Bubblebuster or something similiar when you posted on Factnet? Good to hear from you again.
Zebra |
keep_it_true
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Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 12:37 am: |
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Julia you are not qualified to speak to any of this based on your character and anger alone.
His relationship with his mother applies in many ways because of the spirituality and the resulting assignments and distortions. He gave her a public position and they are not immune from scrutiny or values. It also matters because a mother is not supposed to have the place of a wife in a man's life. You simply argue for power and for intimidation sake. You can turn sommersaults for all that anyone cares, it is the same angry rhetoric over and over again.
Carman's "bed wetting" is not about him as a minister, and there is only compassion. You picked on that because it has no substance, like most of what you say when you are trying to sound like a substanative player. It is referencing the lies on myspace and the preposterous costuming that his home life was Christian. His mother takes credit she does not deserve and hides the truth about herself and Carman. Do you honestly think Glod likes that?
His mother is and was a problem in his life. A mother is not sacred, some of the worst things and attitudes come through mothers. Can a mother use a child's career for her own pleasure or make that child into a version of herself that can never come to fruition? Can a mother be inappropriate towards her celebrity, single son?
Can a mother have a Jezebel spirituality and not be noticecd by many good people who love the Lord? That misty, foggy mind set of "THE MOTHER", and Carman's mother must be WONDERFUL BECAUSE OF WHAT HE IS LIKE, is belief in ideas but its not a reality.
You don't know what you are talking about. Worshipping a mother is just like any other weird spirituality. Honoring a mother in a normal way, is different than giving her a false position spiritually in or through a God given ministry. This is mis management on Carman's part as a steward and denial.
Also his brother Mario was a very violent and unkind person. There is such a grievous lack of humility on their parts, that it is more than upsetting. He was convicted of a crime before going into police work, and he was very abusive, and when he chose to go into law enforcement that is a typical thing that many men do. They either go criminal, or they go into a job where it is okay to be controlling and violent. His domination and intimidation as a person, was not suddenly sanctified by God because the Licciardellos say so. He was a police chief "and" he was very manipulative and controlling and intimidating. Character does not really count in this group, as long as they get their way and look like saints without actually being saints. You would have been afraid of him. And he would not have liked you with your background and would have kept you away from Carman.
Worldliness is wrong and you can make excuses all that you desire, but if your loyalties and your principles in life are atuned to the Lord Jesus Christ and His words; you will depart from those things gladly and honestly. Carman at one time had those very standards. But it made it hard to make his career happen and it got in the way of a deepening fantasy about himself.
If one is worldly and abusive in any way then one has some major changing to do. Ministry is to set an example. There is credit being given to these people that doesn't belong to them and they will receive it, and they are haughty and self important and will apply it if it makes them feel more powerful and more important.
Borrow a Bible and look through all of the scriptures you can find, (since you are a Biblical scholar and speak to counsel those who will be duped), on mothers and see the other side of the street, before you come in like a mob and set up an arrogant show down on the web.
You are an unstable and self righteous person and you are fighting about the wrong details. |
keep_it_true
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Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 3:35 am: |
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I want to reverence the Lord by adding the following correction because the editing feature closes after 30 min.
The sentence above should have read:
"Do you honestly think that GOD likes that?" |
mcsteve
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 84.136.90.73
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 6:46 am: |
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@ keep_it _true :
John the Baptist always had a clear word, confronting people while pointing on them.
You have that spirit of the voice in the desert, prepare ye the way of the Lord.
There is no wrong attitude in your heard and the Lord want's you to know, that He loves the "John-Spirit" in You, he loves it, the way you do it and He will use you in future to make sure to everyone, where the spirits of religion and manipulation have their adress. Do not be confused about the large amount of false idols in Christianity you will see at some times. Do not think by yourself or let tell you, that you are getting crazy - you won't. The pain on your heard is the pain of Jesus about that things and the tears are also His tears. Let your heart be protected not to get hard against people, even though they call you a false prophet.
The "Sunshine" - messages are not your messages, you do not believe in "God's own country" but you believe in the Kingdom of God and that will more and more be your passion and your desire and you do not know, how thinks will come out, but you long to see it, you long to see that time and to be there. Some few true friends will be much better, than a lot of people who agree and those few friends of you are selected by GOD to minister to you. Amen, in the Name of Jesus!
So far, the words I received, when reading your posting. You are one of the Eagles, flying and watching.
HIS Kingdom comes
McSteve
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zebra
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Username: zebra
Post Number: 234
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 172.132.43.222
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 9:34 am: |
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Keep_it_true:
Excellent posts!!! Your Godly wisdom will cause a great deal of misery for some. Perhaps, that misery will bring conviction and that conviction will bring repentance and that repentance will bring peace to the hearts and minds of some.
You have painted a "bullseye" on your person. Be prepared for the arrows that are about to be sent your way.
Again, I say excellent posts, please continue.
Zebra |
zebra
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Username: zebra
Post Number: 235
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 172.161.110.248
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McSteve:
Danke für Ihre kluge Beobachtung hinsichtlich ist der Wahrheiten, die von Keep_it_true gesprochen werden. IchBIN vollständig mit Ihnen hinsichtlich einverstanden, was Keep_it_true angab. Mögen Sie fortfahren, mit der Klugheit bekanntzugeben und Ehrlichkeit, die Sie bis jetzt gesprochen hatten.
Zebra
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In English (below)for the girls from the paid chat site:
MCSteve:
Thank you for your wise observation concerning the truths spoken by Keep_it_true. I completely agree with you as to what Keep_it_true stated. May you continue to post with the wisdom and honesty you have thus far spoken.
Zebra |
julia
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Username: julia
Post Number: 164
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 124.180.2.185
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 4:57 pm: |
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I like this board, I get so challenged here. I know many don't like me because of my past and even many that are Christians would also be reserved about liking me as just being my friend can be bad for people's reputation.
Jesus said He has come to fulfil the law and prophets and not one jot of the law will be done away with, therefore one should honour their mother and father.
As far as family ties I don't think it is anyon e's buisness about relations within a family and if his brother had a past, so what? Have you nothing in your closet which you have cleaned, or not cleaned for that matter? All have sinned and come short of the glory and for you to bring up dirty washing just shows where you are at! You will be judged by the same measure you use, so anything in your past, no matter how you change will come up for you, because you choose to bring up the past of others and dwell on their miseries that is also what you shall have.
Dust you were, dust you shall become and seeing you don't like to dwell on glory, then you won't have it.
Bless and you will be blessed, curse and you will be cursed, for the measure you use will be used for you. |
keep_it_true
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Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 12
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
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Yes but Guila, you as Christ's should bless those who curse you. What you are saying sounds like a scriptural idea about God's anointed with the emphasis of something Wiccan.
You have to measure (your own words) your past in with your present presentation of yourself to others. Your sin and violent past,(you are still violent by the way)does not make you a celebrity, or some kind of authority on subjects spiritual or an authority over other people.
I saw your myspace and thought differently about you in some respects. More compassionate and think that you have a tremendous responsibility in the rearing and healing of your children. I like your photos, especially of your parents in Milan and some others. Your testimony is rich with adventure, woundedness and difficulty and I appreciated your disclosures. Still though, your motives don't discern as pure and completely God centered as do or don't your attitudes and reactions.
Still again, what I said about your character is self evident. If you were more humble and less volatile and did not try to teach others or fight the wrong battles in the wrong way, then you would be more of a blessing.
You have things to hide that is why you respond the way you do. You were obviously very hurt, harmed as a child to go the self medicating, addictive and violent self abusing course, that you did. Correction and rebuke is not rejection and your responses show your real spirit to others and to yourself. If you were not trying to correct or counsel others and if you weren't defending wrong things and just shared the goodness of Christ in your life instead of that goodness of you, that would be a very different thing. Narcissistic thought and anger are known to be dimensions of criminal psychology.
When you are more loving and more gentle, then the transforming of Christ will be more evident in your life.
Why aren't you more prickeled about Carman and his mother lying/spinning? Is it right for a mother to be the helpmate and the son to make his mother the queen. No, that is reserved for husband and wife. Is there perversion there?
If you are "out of order" in your founding relationships then that is a symptom no matter what you preach or how well.
Ted Haggard preached better than almost anyone I have ever heard. His church was/is huge and the Easter productions there are legendary. Once when in Denver I couldn't even get in over 4 days because it was totally sold out. I met Peter C Wagner there and Cindy Jacobs and Chuck Pierce and many great Christians. Ted would walk back and forth praying with Chuck doing, "prayer walks" and prophesy.
His book Primary Purpose changed my life and I believed him to be the person he was putting forth when he said he required "innocence" to be a part of his staff. It is hard to bear the anger and the hurt and the grief.
What would someone have done if a person had a Word from the Holy Spirit, that Ted had hidden perversion and prostitution in his life?
They would have been truly scorned, thought to be "crazy" and persecuted, called a false prophet or a Jezebel and possibly even threatened to be prosecuted.
(Message edited by keep_it_true on November 16, 2006) |
keep_it_true
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Username: keep_it_true
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Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 3:09 am: |
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Christians are not supposed to be relating to things as the World does. We are not supposed to think like the mafia and model ourselves after sex symbols and hate and be arrogant or keep secrets and threaten those who might be used by God to clean house. Vada should not watch, take in and agree with immoral Friends. Hopefully these people do not watch things like Sex In the City and Nip Tuck. There are TV programs that we just should not watch. It doesn't matter if they are popular or titilating. Who loves God enough to ask Him and actually hear an answer and then obey it about each and every TV show available?
Does Carman charm (witchcraft of a fleshly nature and deceit) or send out a kind of oppressing curse to others with the ill-will in his heart or his words and his carnal praying? Does he have a real problem hearing the voice of the Lord our Sheperd and Counselor? Has he ever heard the Lord speak to him personally? You weren't around him during shoots. He took on that celebrity personna and relished in it. It wasn't Christian. You probably like the movie the Champion because you box and are Italian. Understandable and Carman has some truly wonderful songs and other things he and Jesus and a team of Christians put together. I couldn't watch the whole movie, it was morally upsetting.
You won't critically think (intelligently review the facts) about this because you are italian, a boxer and have secrets and a bad temper and witchcraft in your life and some sexual inappropriateness.
You have done some cursing yourself here, what do you deserve then in your philosophy? Do you really try to not be abusive and self centered or to hate people? |
mercy_me
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Username: mercy_me
Post Number: 81
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 206.228.128.9
| | Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 8:11 am: |
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The fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
For every man shall bear his own burden.
Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in ALL GOOD things.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Galatians 5: 22-26 and 6: 1-10
BE MINDFUL TO BE A BLESSING!!!!
Father, in the name of Jesus, I receive Your Words and treasure up Your commandments within me. I make my ear attentive to skillful and godly wisdom. I incline and direct my heart and mind to understanding. I cry out for insight and raise my voice for understanding. I seek for wisdom as for silver, and I search for skillful and godly wisdom as for hidden treasures.
Then, I will understand the reverent and worshipful fear of You, Lord, and will find the knowledge of You -- my omniscient God. Then, I will understand righteousness, Justice, and fair dealing (in every area and relation); yes, I will understand every good path. For skillful and godly wisdom shall enter into my heart, and knowledge shall be pleasant to me. Discretion shall watch over me, and understanding shall keep me to deliver me from evil and from evil people. In Jesus' name, amen... |
julia
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Keep it true, in actual fact, no I didn't like the movie "the champion", even though I box and kickbox, and am Italian I didn't think it had enough about God in it.
I don't try and make myself a celebrity at all, just a person who has been through a lot and has some gifts and insight and beginning to use them for the Lord. The authority I have is also a gift from above.
I am one of the most palcid people you would ever meet, so you are totally wrong about me being angry.
I don't believe I have any residue of any hurt or damaged past, if so may the Lord point it out and cleanse me of it.
You point out a lot of past issues in your posts, do you have a problem with not being able to forgive?
Also it doesn't seem to me that being involved in others stuff is any of your buisness, yet you do so fervently, and you seem to point the accusing finger a lot.
This is not the Spirit of Christ. The Spirit of Christ is also transperant and you are not. |
julia
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Another thing is, no I don't curse, nor have cursed anyone, even if it be from the purely selfish motive that I don't want to be cursed myself.
So where is your page? Can you show yourself? You do a lot of judging and even though judgment begins in the home it is also true that Christ did not come to judge, but to save that which was lost.
Whilst His light reveals all that is hidden, I never heard Christ talk about anyones past in accusation, nor did He ever demand anyone justify themselves, (which is what you do, a trap I must admit I have fallen into, yet my justification is in Him, as true justification is not in justifying ourselves, lest we build an idol of self, but allowing Him to justify us thereby lifting us from shame and guilt), He pointed out issues in parables, He did not use an accusing tone.
Whilst I do agree I am not perfect, and sometimes I don't do as I should and fall short, God will judge the purity of my heart and it's intentions, I am glad of that, I want to please Him and you know some praise from the true family of God is also nice, but He is my first priority as it was His who made me clean. Even though my scars still show.
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julia
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Know what? Now I am faced with perhaps the same spirit that controlled the script Carman originally had. I think had he used the original script, there would of been a completely different outcome in his film "the champion" and I don't think he has any control over it, for different reasons, I like Carman's music and his videos, at least the ones I have seen from 10 and 15yrs ago are fantastic and edify the Lord greatly, and when I think of him, I always think of those great things he did to advance the kingdom and how proud God was of him. He has been my hero because he has been able to convey the message of Christ in a contemporary manner, I love that! I love that sooooo much, how lovely are the feet of him that brings good news to the oppressed to the broken and to the cast aways! I will always love him for that!
His temptations and how he has dealt with them are something he is facing and will face as long as he is on this earth.
And I know the spirit of Potiphars wife (Genesis 39:7) is around the place and is jealous because he won't lay with her, so she causes trouble for him. Just like she did for Joseph. |
julia
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even still blessed are those who wash their robes and make themselves ready for the coming of the Lord!
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mercy_me
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Amen Julia;
You are a fighter!!
Be strong and of good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest. (Joshua 1:9)
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valkyrie333
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Who is Ted Haggard? |
keep_it_true
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The way that you apply scripture to your own imagination and interests is misuse of the Word.
Mercy Me you are a religious spirit and you are astute to pray for wisdom, because that is exactly what you need.
Guila, Carman is very controlling. He makes the final stand on all his things. You have imaginations about him and you are idealizing him. It suits a purpose in your heart. The love you have and trust you have for him, you should have for Jesus.
You say you are not "using" anymore, but your statements now about yourself obviously contradict your actions or words of former posts. You are not the sweet innocent gentle little woman you are trying to portray here for whatever feeling it gives you.
Also, if Carman can't be scrutinized or disliked or mistrusted or even discerned accurately and held accountable, then he and his ministry have cult aspects. What a perfect question to ask, "Why did God allow Carman to be here on this site and with so many posts?" They prayed for it to stop, the crazy people who curse other Christians prayed for people to be killed probably. God is not mocked and Jesus is using or has used this.
I asked the Lord what to do and He did not tell me to bow to Carman or the anger of his followers or his ministry. He told me He was vindicating as a matter of fact. They and you and some others think that this cannot be of the Spirit of Christ, but you are wrong. The hate and the worship of Carman and all of this imagination and denial is not godly.
They are not open to the Spirit in some respects and are convinced that they are perfectly right with the Lord and those who dispute or critisize are the devil's own or off somehow. They of course are never off. Self righteousness and arrogance and cursing are sins. Loving the show Friends and watching it is a sin. Period it is.
You also sound like you are romantically interpreting Carman and how God is proud of him and all of that. I agree some of the things that he wrote and performed years ago were awesome and very edifying and even anointed. He knew better and had artistic spiritual controls over the bra-less scenes and the kissing scenes with a woman who has a very risque act in Mexico and who was married at the time.
He could have said no and you are wrong about all of that. He also knew better and God is not proud of that. It was so obvious that he was interested in her during and afterwards. His own words and actions by the way not someone's accusations.
You also don't know what he is like to be around and probably want his faults that matter, to be overlooked and excused as you may wish yours to be. You really don't know what you are talking about.
You are just being defensive about yourself by telling me what is none of my business. You put your "stuff" out there on myspace and I am sorry if I don't have the reaction you want me to have.
I have the Spirit of Christ, don't be absurd. |
keep_it_true
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Also, God is not going to turn the other way when Carman hurts people who are anointed or with his art that God entrusted him with, just because of his past accomplishments and dedication. That is probably why he hasn't been further wounded by the Lord however for some of the things he has said and done.
God does not sanction him acting as though he is a victim or giving his mother the place in the kingdom of God that belongs to more genuine authority. Lies don't "make God proud" and either does manipulation. Or Jezebel and hatred for or manipulation of authority and recklessly lying about it or covering it up with good words or works.
What if there is any truth to his hating or cursing prophets? That is sin and if the false prophets or mistaken ones are sick or disturbed then he must act as a minister who also comes from a pretty disturbing background himself. His paranoia and his controls and many other things are not the peak of normalcy either.
God loves all of the people who call upon His name. We are not to love just the rich and the polished and the desirable. We are to have patience, kindness and understanding. There is a way to speak and to react and to deal with people that is based upon Biblical foundations and the teaching of Christ.
I have to totally agree that Carman has had more in his life so far than most people can ever hope to have and he does not deserve more if he is not living up to what has been given to him. He sounds like he blames God for things and like he is a victim to God for Mario's death.
Mario was about to hurt a much greater ministry and also he was struck by the Lord. Carman thinks that God can be wrong and he isn't he person he was when he wrote Hunger for Holiness. Hopefully he will be restored to that man and if he is changed somehow then good for him and maybe good for God's church and the unsaved.
You don't care if he is an ego maniac or if what sins are in his life. Too bad, because some people do and should. He should himself instead of villifying anyone who does not come under a spell of his greatness and world leader thing. He doesn't have a lot of authority from God and he used to know that.
Pastors sometimes give him too much credit and look more at the work than the man. That is actually wrong on the part of a pastor who should care more about the condition of the soul and not the outward works or charms, italian or otherwise.
The people who are just so outraged at Carman's critics or people who aren't involved in the TV show called Carman, are religious and judgmental and would not admit so.
It is never something such as black and white, all good, all bad. You can't reduce the bad where it is bad or off or whatever with the good.
Truth is just the truth is it not?
Is it okay for his mom to lie and to be arrogant?
To charm and to curse people or to dominate?
Is it okay for him to be the characterization of her sexual desires?
Why does he complain so much and act like he has the short end of some stick. Just dishonest truly. |
keep_it_true
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You don't care about his mom because you want Carman to be something for you.
'Mercy me' wants to relate to God through Carman and if she knew him personally she might be very surprised. No one is saying he or anything is hopeless. But "THEY" don't want anyone to say anything unless it is what they want to spin. He isn't a villian either. He could be to some people that he slandered or hated. There are few you know. Is slander evil and a good practice for a minister?
He does do some really unkind and selfish things and there are things wrong in his life that should not be present. He knows too much and has been so incredibly blessed and supported, so it really stinks.
So, you don't think that God cares about Carman being inappropriate with his mother or her with him? Because if you don't then you do the same thing or you are comprimised and don't really understand what God is like.
If Carman loved God as much as you think then why wouldn't he at least take that to prayer and review his life? Too hard Guila too hard.
Gotta keep the train a moving.
It is transperancy that is the question afterall isn't it? 'Mercy Me' will defend anyone who defends Carman and that too is religious on her part. It is not truthful or the Spirit of Christ, to be living a lie and to just defend something without being balanced. I doubt she likes Bill O`reilly or Rush L. either.
Is it at all a possibility that he has evil in heart and that God is moving to flush it out or point to it? That black presence and warfare in our home was very real and it was defeatable when it was discerned and called for what it was.
Is that an evil work unseen? The Lord said it was connected to Carman.
So what should we do? Capitulate to those of you who just can't allow the reality to touch you or to him and those who support him with blindness and selfishness of purpose who don't want to see anything that would cost them the power they derive from knowing him or working in some way for him.
Carman is not the "One Mediator between God and man". If he can't be honest about who he is then he isn't trustworthy, like Ted Haggard, no matter how big the ministry or how far it reached.
Ted was a pastor and an international leader. A true leader and a great leader in many respects. Carman is not a leader such as this and you still refuse to see even the basic things that are ear mark a sin problem. How do you process something like what Ted was doing and what the ministry was doing. Is it all okay in the name of Jesus? What about Carman and other things, not male prostitutes or homosexual involvement.
Who is allowed to discuss this and where?
You can't tell him and he won't listen, read or consider;
(even if it is true or in love and even if it is from the Lord), and the people around him are indeed haughty and controlling wether you wish to believe the truth or not.
It really does become beneficial for us to start "debating the issues" and not each other with scriptures and hidden rage. I can agree with some things that you present Julia but you are not being really honest about yourself.
If I decided, prayerfully to come back and post again it would be preferable to not become overly personalized anymore. If it is not a catalyst for change and if a person is not receptive, then it is a waste of time and truth, and when you rebuke or correct a scorner, they only hate you the Bible warns.
So, that shows who the scorners are and who truly has the Spirit of Christ which is humility and honesty and holiness. |
julia
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Something which you don't seem to display much of keep it true. Man you going on about the woman in the champion and her see through shirt? I wonder what you'd say about me if you saw me on the beach without a top? And I wonder what you'd say about some of the shorts I wear at training? Or even the mini I got on now???
So, Keep it True, behind which rock do you hide? You seem to know everthing about everyone, yet don't expose any of yourself, I don't see any Christ in you whatsover,judging from what has come out of your mouth so far, yet you stand in judgement saying I am not this and Carman is not that and this one has bad friends raka raka raka, you are boring and have no light in you, neither do you choose to walk in the light, otherwise you would be more transperant and you're not, might call you "true shady", sounds like the name suits you, you only seem to be attempting to turn people against Carman, am not sure of your reasons because you are too dark and i don't really understand dark people. Frankly I don't wish to associate with you, you have no constructive criticism of me all you do say is I am not this, you don't point out anything in particular, nor highlight any faults so i can say "yeah perhaps there is something in that" no just you're not this and you're not that, know what? I don't care for your favour, much rather God's and you have no say if He so chooses to favour me or anyone else in the kingdom, so you can keep going with your sugar coated spite because you have no power over me nor anyone else in the kingdom.
Have a nice day!
Love, sister Giulia |
mercy_me
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Keep it true, you have no authority over me. I laid out a fleece and I got my answer. Your words do not line up with the word of God never have no matter what name you come in here as. You belittle you slander and you judge. And you try to manipulate everything by saying God says. I know Carman has made mistakes, I pray that he will become that anointed man of God that he was and I believe God has been working on his life and is getting him there.
You continually try to keep the fires of his past mistakes going for what? For edification for who?? What if you made a mistake or several wouldn't you want to be forgiven? Wouldn't you want grace and mercy? In the Bible David made some very big mistakes that cost him a lot. He paid for those mistakes but he finally turned from those sins and moved on and God continued to use him even though he made those awful mistakes.
Hundreds of people are being saved by Carman's concerts. No maybe he is not perfect but God is still using him in a mighty way. The reason I defend him is because of that. He is reaching the lost, reaching people I can't. Keep it true, Jesus is coming back soon I believe and these people that Carman has brought to Christ would not be going to heaven they would be left behind. Why do you want to hinder these people of this opportunity?
If you have a problem with Carman you need to go to Carman with your concerns face to face not in here.
God Bless |
julia
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True Mercy, and keep it shady, isn't it obvious that if I didn't love Jesus I wouldn't even be defending Carman.
John 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you" Jesus is not saying yeah love one another if you want, it is a commandment from Him,and keep it shady, you don't demonstrate any loving qualities, you have not tried to reedem with your words, you think you have some one up on everybody, in fact you don't, you are like a weeping sore from which only putrid infection comes, as that is all you give, poison.
Life does not do this and that is the Spirit of Christ, light does not hide in the darkness, yet it is what you do, and very cleverly disguise yourself as truth.
You do this cleverly but you don't do it for building up, you do it for tearing down, this is not Christ |
keep_it_true
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Posted From: 64.128.1.226
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Your fleece is your own imagination. A lot of Christians put out "fleeces" but this is a sketchy practice and can be superstitious and controlling. It can lean over into witchcraft of a kind.
Your heart has to be truly pure and your motives upright before the Lord. That is not "you saying" you are upright, and defending yourself, it is if the Lord determines that you are so.
Did you follow the pattern in the Bible of putting out a fleece three times? Was your fleece for something as important as the original account? "Fleeces" can just be a Christianized form of divination. God is a Holy God and He doesn't trivialize things like that.
I am not "disguising myself as truth." Talking about the truth and facts in an honest and confrontational manner is not anything anti-Christ.
You have no facts on how loving or accurate I am, and you are just defending yourself and basically attacking me. Do you think that your words about putrid sore and all of that mentally off hostility is the Spirit of Christ or "loving".
Mercy Me, you are the one in fact who acts like an authority and are dismissive and retaliative to people whose words and perspective demonstrate that they actually have some authority from God to whatever degree.
When you all break down as is evident in past postings and violent argueing, and start the weird hating and disturbed levels of attempted control and come up with words that are simply pejorative and dark in nature; while you try to assign some kind of spiritual darkness to me inaccurately, its a good moment to decline from discussing you or what you think ever again.
Funny how that many of the people who know me, think that myself and my family are very loving and we are in fact, very generous and caring.We are very active in our church and in helping in other ministries in the city of Chicago. We enjoy serving and supporting ministries and our pastors love us dearly. We pay for people's medical needs and for youth productions and wer are pray-ers and just think-ers.
We have attended Rob Thompson's church until we couldn't take the greed, anger, guilt and controls there. We knew Karen briefly who worked for Carman and we also lived in Nashville for a season. She did something wrong to Carman too by the way and who knows if he even discerns that. Carman never had discernment as far as we knew.
Julia your goal in most conversations is to "have one up" on somebody and mercy me you are a little false authority yourself, so what you are saying is of little surprise. When you can be in reality and not just one sided with truths, then you have moved a bit ahead in the scheme of things and your walk with the Lord.
You have mental illness problems in your addictions and icarcerations and other aspects of your life and mind.
It is very cool that you are saved and love the ministries that you do and God loves you just as much as He loves me for sure. You do fight just for a fight and lack humility although you try to preach that you are the epitomy of gentle spirited understanding and searching. Right.
You have the opening to say whatever you desire, and 'God is listening to you', not just to me; but these are my last direct responses or communications to any personality on the board. |
keep_it_true
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There is a definite number of people who are emotionally or mentally ill to some degrees, and the 'spiritual' conversations are usually "in the flesh" and you all brandish spiritual weapons out of context and for power trips.
"Tearing down" strongholds of lies and deceit and arrogance is a good thing. Ever read about "casting down of imaginations"? It is the 'clever disguises of others' that is in question and why they do it and why people here not only let them get away with it, but seem to spiritualize and exalt anything and everything they do.
It is not the 'fires of the past', it is the "strange fire" of the present that confirms or is backed up by the past.
You Mercy Me are no one's, NO ONE'S authority. And some of the things you do are simply superstitious and self centered. God is not going to honor a fleece that is like what James talks about, i.e. when you ask for something, that you may consume it for your own purposes or lusts.
When I talked to the Lord about you shortly, He told me that you have really no business in any of this and don't really have a place defined or designed by Him here whatsover. You are here for and by you. God loves you and He does all kinds of things for you, but He did not send you here to do muddy truth and set false standards.
You are here because you want something or believe something that gives you a spiritual feeling of some sort, and it isn't started or supported by the Lord. You have a free will so you can come here 24/7; but it isn't what you think it is and the Lord is not calling you to involve yourself. Why would He?
You don't know me and you have not heard me speak on this previously. Knowing them is factual in our lives and you don't. You only know of them and that is fine, but don't accuse me of something that isn't true, or accuse my motives without first and seriously, subjecting yourself to the "authority of scripture" about just that practice.
You come at others as holier than thou, and you don't know these people whether here or in Carman's life and ministry.
So, because you like Carman so much, you don't think it is wrong that his mom is lying and taking credit she doesn't deserve and has an inappropriate relationship with her grown son the minister who should live his life more as that, than a celebrity? You don't think anything about them is wrong or should be discussed ever?
That is a "cult member" Mercy Me.}
End of personalized communications. None of you here know me, you will never meet me or my family and you are wrong about most of what you are saying. Truly, you are wrong.
Words of wisdom: stop the silly over spiritual-lizing of everything and pretending to yourself, that God is your personal butler attending to your anger and your demands, whether or not you make them appear as a big spiritual 'to do' with fleeces and rehearsed prayers of a religious nature. You think that if you are angry about something, so is God.
Is God angry with Carman or is the mystical teaching, that "God isn't angry with you" something you practice towards one circumstance and person and then do a flip of that idea with other things and others that you pass judgment on?
God does get angry with people. It is clearly stated and shown in the Bible. Whoever tells that false doctrine is just mistaken. He gave us the capacity for anger and we are made in His image. He also describes it in both the New and Old Testaments.
He says why He becomes angry and that He is slow to anger. He warns us not to do what makes Him angry.
He forgives and relents when we authentically repent, because He is perfect, loving and Just. |
keep_it_true
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Jesus got angry and He talks about anger in the Book of Revelations in case you may not recall that. He just doesn't get angry "like" falliable and messy man, with abuses or mistakes. His anger is over injustice or abuses or other things that are important and holy to Him.
It would have been funnier if MMe you would have said, "You're not the boss of me!"
}If you were really listening to God and seeking Him from a genuine heart, you would hear that you aren't supposed to even be here focusing on it.
You would also have His heart towards all people and not just the ones who are in the same imagination and cult thinking that you are about Carman. God doesn't like the way Carman and his mother are too close and the way in which he thinks and lives more of the celebrity life than the man of God life. He does not like or sanction hate and arrogant thoughts and attitudes.
Julia, you are not a Pastor or a Prophet, and you are not a modern Judge in the kingdom of God.
Stop acting like someone you are not and pray for his mom to do the same. You were predatory on George about calling Carman 'boss'. Silly girl, he has told people to call him that and likes it. Heard it first hand, oh accurate apostle you.
True: I have no communications with George and never spoke to him and will not give you a personal opinion. The point isn't about him, its about the 'boss' accusation. Before you decide that you are going to correct everyone from Australia, first stop because it isn't your place in this life or the kingdom and stop again because you probably aren't right.
It does not make anyone more holy, or worthy because they defend Carman and lie to themselves or believe any lies from them. Carman is not the Blood of Jesus or the Lamb or God.
His mom is not a Deborah or Dorcas or Phoebe or Annah. The false official thing and false queen thing is a problem in the spiritual and God does care about it. Carman needs to repent for giving her a spiritual office, that is not from God and for giving her too much of a place in his life for security and influence and his own giving and personna.}
I would say its been a joy or edifying talking with you, but that would not be true. I did try shortly and you got, more hateful. 
A good way to end would be to wish you all,
A wonderful Thanksgiving and safe traveling.
There is a banner up at a church down the way that says, "Thanksgiving is the Language of Heaven". |
julia
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Posted From: 58.168.149.151
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Keep it shady, you still haven't identified yourself, you know a soldier, you can see his eyes when he salutes he is revealing himslef, you don't do that.
My fleece is on my front porch and it is a bit of wool that gets wet when it rains, but when I sit on it it is a great cusion for my bum and then it is kept dry, know why? because my bum keeps it dry! And my bum is Holy!
Yes it is Holy! Because Jesus took a junkie prostitute low life like me and washed me with his blood and made me all Holy, from the inside out, He makes treasure out of rubbish, He does!
His loss became my gain, His death became my life and the shame of the cross became my glory!
Knew I'd hear a religious spirit out of you, keep it shady, bragging about how many good works you do, well do you realise that IS your reward! I would not be too happy if I were you, doing all that stuff just to get a miesly reward here on fact net, all that mucha do about nothin! Bravo!!!!! There ya go, even a clap from me! The righteous keep it shady, doing the right thing by all humanity!Does everyone hear that?!!!
You are speaking out of hate keep it shady? So who is not qualified to speak , hey ?
All your words smell like a big fart! Fart in the wind! |
julia
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Just in case you wanted to know, yes I am gonna tell people in Australia, know why? God said, that's why, and when He says don't matter what people who hide behind rocks say, all you can say is, she used to be this and that, or she wears a mini skirt, or she gets around with no top on the beach, or she boxes for a lesuirley activity, or she likes Carman, see how much authority your voice has!!!
You keep trying to get to heaven by proclaiming your good works on factnet and exposing the lies you project on Carman, when in fact you are only slandering, know the difference?
Know what? It is when Christians love one another that the world will know about Him, not when Christians love the world, we are of the ressurection, not of this world, too bad most people waste His bread first on the world and not the other way around, on the Children of God, as it should be.
And the word BOSS, is offensive to me and to prison officers and police officers here, at least out of the old school, and one's who know what it means, a subjective view, but one I feel compelled to let you know none the less. |
julia
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Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 58.168.149.151
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 4:56 pm: |
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Don't like the truth keep it true? I agree we don't have healthy fellowship, least you could do is show yourself, seeing you want to expose everyone else!
Your works you do in church don't make you just, only God does and seeing you don't like the light, I am not sure you even know Him, perhaps know of Him, you want to criticise everyone but don't want to be known for it, how true do you think your voice sounds to me??? As I said before it is like a putrid sore seeping poison, I hope you will repent of your Adamic nature and receive the new and living nature of Christ, perhaps then we can understand each other! |
keep_it_true
Junior Member
Username: keep_it_true
Post Number: 27
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.128.1.226
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 1:29 am: |
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Julia, I prayed and asked the Lord if I could respond to you one last time because of my compassion for you and the standard you are trying to set, which is a false one. False about yourself and false about Carman and yes, false about me too.
You do basically what you are attempting to say that I do. You decided to show yourself and I decided after prayer and discussion with my husband, not to. You are just irritated with your inability to control everything and everyone. Keeping it true, to let you know, I only read the very last post above this. I will not go over your posts any longer and I will not be responding to you personally from here forward.
What ever you are babbling about regarding terms about the Adamic nature is silly. I put on the nature of Christ daily, in many ways from asking for forgiveness and confessing my sin or faults to blessing and loving those who curse me. I am proud not in a carnal way, of the work we do with and for churches and you can try to vandalize that all that you wish to, but we follow the Lord and carefully discern who to give to and where. It is up to Him and we yield our opinions and desires over to His plans.
You show your "Adamic nature" readily and are looking, in my opinion, for celebrity out of your past experiences and sins and the mental illness in your life. The pursuit of self, in Jesus name is hardly holy or sanctification.
I don't need, and my family doesn't need to "be exposed" because we are not presenting a false image to gain off of the kingdom and we don't have any secrets or are not lying to people about our character.
If you are so holy Julia, then you would care more about the right standard and the dishonesty and intimidation that is pervasive in that ministry and family system. Carman has a hatred aspect and he hides it really well, but not from those he snaps at or the way he charms or the spiritual warfare that comes from him.
Just because you don't want to admit to your truest inner motivations, don't try to 'put to silence' with your criticism and emotional boxing, those who have every right to hold up a candle in a dark corner. Especially in a place where candles have been lit and 'cult members' try their hardest to blow them out.
You wouldn't be reacting if there wasn't a spiritual problem with you and some of the same sin in your life. God is the One who cares about Carman not being married to the right person, or the worldly standards occuring and the curses that come onto people who "dare" to speak or challenge. God did not give him the power to have a ministry organization to ever use it to hurt others or exalt himself or his family. You don't give a knats knee on a hot sidewalk, that his mom is lying and has twisted him in some ways.
Do you think that he should get married on the old fire, of celebritism and having a celebrity looking and sounding marriage? Our posts could be the real love of God making a way where there is none. It won't look like it because truth is often hard to hear or agree with. Does your opinion even matter Julia? Does it?
Perhaps that is what you need to understand. Adam started it, Jesus finished it and I received it. I am going to follow suit from others, and post an article from Kay Arthur and make that the last interjection from me to you.
It was the lies and the arrogance on myspace that moved me from a silent person on FACTNET, to saying what needs to be said.
I will be in the spirit of peace towards you and whatever you want to do is on you and between you and the Lord.
Please understand. I will not be reading or communicating regarding your interjections.}} |
julia
Intermediate Member
Username: julia
Post Number: 174
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 58.168.149.151
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 6:17 am: |
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Keep it shady, you wouldn't know what I am talking about, because I am talking about the heart of the gospel, and it is obvious you haven't got a clue, need I say any more???
Sorry don't know who Kay Arthur is and besides, don't waste your energy, God is sufficient for me and the bible is enough for me, thanks anyway. |
uncharmed
Intermediate Member
Username: uncharmed
Post Number: 154
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 206.132.122.10
| | Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 7:50 pm: |
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I like Keep it True. |
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