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     david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.114.41 |
Recommended Video Links.... What's Up Wit That? Cults Dr.Keith Harary.. interesting insights about Jim Jones, Heavens Gate, The Solar Temple and its use of hidden holographic projectors. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1369828331938576791&q=Cults Scientology: "Stacy Brooks Music TeleVision's Scientology Interview" 1 of 5 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5782324303239910184&q=Cults And I thought RSE was so special.. dark chuckle.. David | ||
| gingermint New member Username: gingermint Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.148.15.120 |
I just wanted to say that I have found the information and video links very informative and helpful. I have also been reading the comments from various members. Personalities aside, it is wonderful to have a place where there is a lot of good information. Just a thank you to all. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 230 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
gingermint, thank you, for reading and sharing that it's helping you. you may have read in my posts, somewhere along the line, about how i read factnet's rse folder for a full year before i ever posted. the posts on here helped me so much. if you want to share your story (if you were/are a student, please do. some fear retribution about posting here. but we have free speech rights and may speak our opinions, ask questions, and state facts as we know them to be true to the best of our knowledge. | ||
| gingermint New member Username: gingermint Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.148.15.120 |
i have been going for about a yr, though i am not as committed to the school as some are. i am still debating on returning. i might go more for interest in watching how they do things. its hard to decide what to write. i have just deleted/cancelled 3 posts! my interest now, really, is to understand the cult phenomena. i never participated in the school community, nor socialized with people when i was there. | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 367 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.144.177 |
From what I understand about RSE -- in order to really be a full-fledged member one must maintain the belief that JZ knight is really channeling a warrior from the ancient city of Atlantis. The cult phenomena is very interesting. Cults are a clear demonstration that, just as Allardyce T. Meriweather said in Little Big Man, "Men will believe anything, the more preposterous the better. Whales speak French at the bottom of the sea. The horses of Arabia have silver wings. Pygmies mate with elephants in darkest Africa. I have sold all those propositions." | ||
| wake_up New member Username: wake_up Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.144.143.208 |
COURAGE and SUCCESSS After exiting from a cult. Publicly speak about it. Tell the Facts. Reach out to OTHERS ASK for support ADMIT that you are still infected (if you are) To be that is the meaning of SUCCESS!!} | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 179 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.114.41 |
gingermint,frankenchrist and wake up.... Welcome Welcome and Welcome... David. | ||
| david_mccarthy Intermediate Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 180 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.114.41 |
THAKAR SINGH Science of the Soul. Recommends THE BLINDFOLDING OF CHILDREN from birth till the Age of five The clips take a minute to download http://elearn.mtsac.edu/dlane/thakarblind.htm ************************************************ Exposing Cults: An Interview with David Lane by Greg Vlamis, The Church of the Movement of Spiritual Inner Awareness (MSIA) Part 1 of 9 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3197205227480261475&hl=en The J.R. Controversy A Critical Analysis of John-Roger Hinkins and M.S.I.A. http://www.caic.org.au/miscult/jrmsia.htm | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 231 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
ditto to david's post. WELCOME to you three new posters (or new to this thread). i'm mostly offline for a short time due to relocation. but i have so much i want to say. just can't do so now. gingermint: "maybe" you would like to do more research into the cult phenomenon before returning to rse. after 17 yrs, believe me i know the "pull" to go to just one more event as it might be the one. but it never is. it's just more fluff, no substance, and blaming the students for any failures that go on. all that, wrapped in no accountability by the staff/management of the business. they are never wrong. only you can be wrong. just some food for thought...if you need/want to go again, i do understand. it took me 2 years to mentally disengage before i physically stopped going. | ||
| gingermint New member Username: gingermint Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.148.15.120 |
i loved the LARSE video...the speaker was truly amazing. also keith harary. his picture for information flow was very clear. | ||
| in_the_zone Junior Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 34 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
Welcome newcomers to this site. I was only at RSE for 4 events...all in 2005. I have posted on this site a number of times over the past 6 months. As for returning to RSE, I have this to offer. I have come to the realization that who or whatever ramtha is, he does not your best interests at heart no matter how entertaining and appealing he might be. In fact, I will venture out one more step further on this - I think he is a malevalant being and one worth staying away from at all costs. | ||
| wake_up New member Username: wake_up Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.144.143.208 |
I am not an ex RSE Student. Nor I have ever participated in a cult. I do understand the workings of a cult. I do believe there are those who enter cults who are VERY intelligent people. I am here to learn the facts about the CULT in Yelm. And to be supportive of those who are exiting this cult. If I am way off the mark and step on anyone toes that have exited and are exiting please inform me. I say" The CULT in Yelm." Because I believe it is time to stop giving personal identity to this So Called Ramatha. I hear, Ramtha said this he said that. It appears to me Personal Identity is given to Ramtha. I hear School Of Enlightment. The Ranch. Students of the School. More personal identity given to the cult. Yes FACTS need to be told, Facts need to be heard. When informing the public of what this Cult is all about, the language of the cult need to be used. I am saying those who are exiting the group and talking about there recovery from this cult need to stop giving personal Identity to Ramtha and the Cult. I would like to hear I have exited this CULT in Yelm. That is run by a Woman who believes she channels an etc. etc. Do I make since! I would like to say to those who are exiting. "Keep working on it, seek professional help, seek support, keep reaching out. Keep taking the steps to being FREE” Thank you Carrie | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 232 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
Carrie, While I understand what you are referring to with the references people on this forum have made between "Ramtha" and "JZ", I think there is something you need to understand. What you call giving personal identity to Ramtha, can also be a matter of convenience in communication. There are times when the persona on the Stage is presenting as "Ramtha" and times when the persona on the Stage is presenting as "JZ". That is aside from whether there is a reality to Ramtha. It is for the ease of communication to refer to an event, an experience, and say, "Ramtha" said, "insert whatever was said", as opposed to "JZ" being in front of the audience intentionally as HERSELF, rather than acting the role of "Ramtha". You also said, "I would like to hear I have exited this CULT." I respect that you desire/want/need (whichever fits) that YOU would like to hear that. However, I ask that you respect all posters RIGHT to say what THEY need/want/choose to say. If it suits their process to say they have exited a CULT, they surely will. If they don't choose to, for whatever reason, hopefully that can also be respected, even if disagreed with. I'm curious about why you are drawn to want to "help" those people who have exited a cult and offer them support. Would you please share ? Thank you. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 233 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
In The Zone, I agree. I don't believe "Ramtha" has anyone's best interest's at heart. Well, maybe the exception would be JZ's bank account. Malevolent ... I've heard that description used more than a few times, too. By former students, that is. You SAID, with that comment, what I would suspect more people think, though they don't say it. | ||
| wake_up New member Username: wake_up Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.144.143.208 |
Yes whatchamacallit, as a person who has not been involved with RSE, I Need to understand. When I hear and I mean hear not just what I read. Ramtha taught this, Ramtha let me down. I hear that they still believe in Ramtha. Absolutely I should never say what I want others to say. I feel words are very powerful. I feel every thing about any cult should be disregarded. If a person keep saying or hearing something long enough it will become true in their mind. Yes using the language of RSE is for ease of conversation. I am meaning more of an affirmation that Ramtha is not real and that her School is a bunch of brain washing that play on intelligence. People are reaching out for support. I am a person who likes to help people. I have my believes and my faith that teaches me I should give support and love. I would never push my believes and faith on others. I would never walk up to student of RSE and say you need help unless they have asked for it. Just as a recovered Alcoholic I would never go into a Bar and tell a person they need help. Only when they have asked. Thank for giving me more understanding Carrie | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 234 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
Carrie, If you can read this with a sense of humor, I'd like to comment on what you said with regard to "I would never walk up to [a] student of rSE and say you need help unless they asked for it." I'm not laughing AT you, but with you. Having 17 combined years of experience as an RSE student, I think I can fairly say that nobody can tell an entrenched RSE student that they "need help". Some of us have tried !! The people that can be reached, are the ones who have a mustard seed of DOUBT. Even then, they have to overcome their fears; the "cost" of leaving the cult. It's a complex issue much of the time. I suspect the only time it isn't complex, is when one never got fully absorbed. By that I mean, that they didn't isolate themselves from everything/one/location in their life, EXCEPT other RSE students. Doing that only makes it harder to leave. There is nothing to go back to, and if possible, a new life must be established. Would you please share what exactly your faith and beliefs are ? I'm genuinely curious. Also, how did you hear about RSE ? Thanks, Whatcha | ||
| in_the_zone Junior Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
For new people considering RSE, here's the bottom line. Thousands and thousands have come and gone to RSE. Many of the ones that stayed and did not leave are broke, or ill, and completely seperated from anyone not in RSE. They are not in my opinion very happy people nor are they warm or gracious. They have developed a low regard for the "humanity" in each person, opting instead to think that being a so-called Master is more valuable - a Master, as they see it, is not satisfied with being merely human, they think that the only thing to be is super human. Super human? I mean, really. So the odds of anyone new going to RSE and staying for any length of time is very, very low, especially since "ramtha the entertaining one" seems to be on the wane and "jz the greedy one" seems to be on the rise. And if you buck those odds and end up returning for years, the odds that you will become happier and healthier and more prosperous than you are right now...well, those odds are quite miniscule. Don't waste your time and money on things that don't matter...unless you're like the moth that absolutely must fly into the fire. What happens at RSE really, really does not matter. It has no meaning and it has no value. It is an excursion into delusion and deception and will put you into a twisting, turning maze that may take you years to find your way out of. It is a trap for the unsuspecting who want more from life. Do a good deed for someone in need...you'll feel more "enlightened" than you ever will listening to anything they have to preach to you about at RSE. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 235 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
In The Zone, Your comment about students developing a low regard for humanity is true. "Just" being human is substandard when one is told they are a Master making known the unknown, and becoming a full Christ in this lifetime. Students are told not to cast pearls before swine. Of course, the swine are any folkies who are not current students. Ignorance is an amazing thing. In FREEDOM, OINK, OINK !!!! LOL | ||
| wake_up New member Username: wake_up Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.144.143.208 |
Whatcha, LOL. I do learn allot from my attempts to help people who did not want it. I am talking other issues here. I have lived in Yelm for 23 years. 13 of those in the Bald Hills. I have meant several RSE students. One was a very polite, considerate intelligent person. That was back in 1994. As far as I know this person is still a student. In 1998 I meant others who invited me to a wine ceremony at their home. I did not go. I have a good friend who has been out for 10 years. I am a Christian. I believe in the LOVE of my heavenly father. I believe the Bible is the inspired and only infallible and authoritative written Word of God. I believe in one God, eternally existent in three persons, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. I believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles (past, present and future) in His vicarious and atoning death, in His bodily resurrection, in his ascension to the right hand of the father, in His personal future return to this earth in power and glory to rule a thousand years. It is by the grace of that God I am alive today to experence all the wonderful things life has to offer. God brought me out of my self, (something I am still working on) out of my self destruction ways. I did Not have to Pay anything, I can tell everyone and anyone. I did not have to sign anything. The Christians did not disown me when I turned away from my faith. Carrie | ||
| gingermint New member Username: gingermint Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.148.15.120 |
even christianity can be a cult. beliefs do not make you imune | ||
| wake_up New member Username: wake_up Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.144.143.208 |
I love this Message Board everyone has such valuable impute, insite, and intelligence. Yes there are those who abuse Christianity. For me it just not a set of doctrine set by the church, it is not just saying I am a Christian. It is what I feel in my spirit, the faith I have in something greater then myself. In the way I feel inside when I love, give support and help others. Carrie | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 236 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
I don't want to get to far afield here in this thread, as it's not a message board for discussing christian doctrine. It's for RSE. In any case, I have studied many religions since I was VERY young. I'm not unfamiliar with the christian doctrine. I also don't believe that anyone needs to go to church or do what fundamentalist christians accept as "truth", to be a good person, and by that, I mean in God's eyes, not by human standards. I also believe cults come in many shades...(as was alluded to in a previous post). There are people who feel "God" move in their spirit and who believe in a "higher intelligence", who are not christians, nor are they in any organized religion. There are people who are atheists and had miraculous healings of fatal disease. If God is omnipresent it cannot be any other way, or God would be hurting "him"self. That's just MY opinion, and it is NOT intended to spark debate. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I want it clear that I am NOT looking for "help" ...from a CHRISTIAN perspective.... Been there; done that. Having said that, I just want to say, again, with all due respect, but in total clarity, I won't respond to religious posts. Carrie, forgive me if I am wrong here; but I have to wonder if you are posting here with the ulterior motive of converting people to your faith. | ||
| wake_up New member Username: wake_up Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.144.143.208 |
That is why I like this forum (if that is the right word?) we all type what is on our minds. You are not wrong for wondering. I admire honesty. No it was not my ulterior motive to try and convert anyone. I just stated I had my faith and beliefs. You asked me about my faiths and beliefs so I told you. Honestly I do not think those exiting Cults need someone else to tell them to believe in something or someone else. What they need I do not know. I have spoke of identity before maybe the person leaving a cult needs to gain their identity back. Information need to get out about RSE. One of the reasons I am concerned about RSE is because it is in my community. I agree with in the Zone what happens at RSE really, really does not matter. It has no meaning and it has no value. So what Next? Carrie | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 237 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
Carrie, I agree that it's great when folks can express themselves openly - and with respect. Many things can be maturely discussed, when respect is a priority. I think it's wonderful that you care about your fellow man/woman, when you know the likes of RSE is in your own backyard, so to speak. I don't live there. But, I spent many years going there. Those of us that have left RSE know what REALLY goes on behind closed doors. We know the truth of a destructive cult (my opinion) that is beyond the glossy marketing campaign for new recruits. It is my opinion that if Ramtha were real and benevolent, JZ Knight wouldn't need to do ANY marketing. But MOST students do not stay there for more than an average of 2 - 3 years. You're correct (in my opinion), that those exiting a cult don't need someone else to tell them what to believe. It's along the line of telling a new widow to go out and date a new man ! Yikes. So, I wanted to clear that issue up on this board, since if I am wondering about it, I'm probably not alone. We can't do much about what is going INSIDE RSE right now. What's next ? What we can do IS BE PROACTIVE. Take positive, sound steps toward EDUCATION of the public and any interested folks that cross our paths, with what we know. We absolutely have a right to talk about our experiences. Even the RSE administration has publicly admitted that. FACTNet is one way to speak out, as well as the recent postings listed about the video links. I am sure lots of folks are taking notice. One thing with a forum like this; anyone can read it. Folks who are current in RSE can read it, JZ Knight can read it, RSE staff, etc. But, the world really is becoming flat. The playing field really is being leveled. It really is becoming a blogger's world. PEOPLE are becoming empowered and networking...not being dictated to. It's changing. The old paradigms are changing and wrongdoing is being more and more rapidly exposed and not tolerated. Carrie, if you haven't already, contact David who posts on FACTNet. You'll be glad you did, I'd say. | ||
| wake_up New member Username: wake_up Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 12.144.143.208 |
I just spend some time reading some other threads. There is allot of info out there. I will be busy going to the links and reading more. whatchamacallit, I knew you were a HIGHLY intelligent person. Carrie | ||
| gingermint New member Username: gingermint Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.148.15.120 |
in the zone: what was your thinking, or what caused you to leave when you did, if you dont mind me asking. | ||
| in_the_zone Junior Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 36 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
In response to gingermint: I went to 4 events in 2005 at RSE. I achieved everything I wanted to achieve. In fact, I achieved more than I expected I would achieve. Towards the end of the last event, entitled Future Now (nov, 05), I decided it was time for me to graduate. So I graduated myself and have never looked back. I just couldn't see myself coming back to events over and over again because they all the events seemed the same to me, even though they have different titles. I figured why keep doing the same old thing over and over again. It seemed to me that many of the so called "advanced" students (I was a beginner student) had gotten really lazy & lethargic. I did not want to get like that. Also, I got bored and I felt resentful that we human beings were herded like cattle by the system perpetuated by the powers that be at RSe...namely the so-called teachers and staff. I met students at RSE who had been coming to these events for years...I thought maybe they just didn't know how to say "enough" and move onto the next best thing for themselves. I don't reget my experiences at RSE and I am sooooo glad to not be under the spell, like so many others, that I have to make the journey to RSE in order to stay current with the so-called Greatest Show on Earth. And lastly, I realized then, when I left, and even now more so, what happens at RSE has no real value. It adds little or nothing to one's life other than to host the self-imaged idea that one is part of something. Being at RSE has no intrinsic meaning. It is not worth the time and effort and expense of getting there and being there. I say this because it does nothing, absolutely nothing what-so-ever to help people learn the biggest lesson in life...how to accept and live our own humanity....you know, the things Christ said - love your neighbor as yourself and do unto others as you would have them do unto you...RSE is all about pretending to become a super human being, a god, a master...excuse me!!!! We have to learn to walk before we can fly and becoming fully human is the walking part. | ||
| gingermint New member Username: gingermint Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.148.15.120 |
Wow, thank you so much. so much of what you say reflects my own thinking and experiences too, from the repetitive events, experiences with 'advanced' students, my not liking to be a part of the 'collective' as they called it, and the inability or lack of recognition many people there had, that life is to be lived. i think to be human is the greatest thing, and that the self, or i, is the most important thing we have. that people so casually throw it away is scary. thank you for your sharing! | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 240 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
many of the "advanced" students think they are superior to others. and "ramtha" has fostered that attitude in them. there are blue college students who would also have an attitude about those "only" in the primary group. for the most part, that group consisted of the people who traveled, and did not choose to, or who were unable to, attend enough events to qualify for blue college "status". i've heard a number of stories from experiences with b.c. students, from long term primary students, who were not "welcome" in having b.c. students as event partners, etc. i mention this, because itz and gingermint - your experiences are not limited to advanced students looking down their noses at beginners. certain of them will do that to any student who isn't in b.c. - and for some who leave b.c. by choice or design (lack of money and can't make their required event) - they are frowned upon, also, for not being big enough goddies to manifest being there. ramtha has addressed "advanced" students who have "borrowed" money (repeatedly) to make their events, and how they needed to pay it back. i hardly call that a manifesting god. i call that a form of theft. yes, they spend so much time trying to be gods and sustaining that image to themselves, and in the meanwhile, they are missing their lives as humans. i'm very happy that, despite mistakes i did make, i never moved out there as many did, and gave up what i have here in MY HOME. i considered moving a few times due to pressure, but fortunately, my pull to my overall family was stronger than some force who would tell me that "the alone journey" meant leaving my family, and living in yelm. it's common out there for the locals to ask the travelers, "did you move here yet?" the clear implication being you are less than if you don't. also, you are "at risk" for doomsday to catch you if you're not in yelm - which ramtha keeps safe with a 25 mile radius bubble. (does that make you want to move there ??? hahahah) | ||
| gingermint New member Username: gingermint Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.148.15.120 |
in the zone, i love your idea/experience of graduating yourself. i never thought of that! it is definitely something i am going to do! for me that idea is so empowering. it cleared up so much for me. this morning i feel like a million dollars! i am going to think about it some more, watch my feelings etc, it re-reminded me of who i am of my 'me-ness', of my journey, of why i went there in the first place. it was never meant to be a stopping place. that had never been my original intention. i think it is an amazing skill to be able to 'end' something. It is so applicable in all areas of life. it is an ownership of sorts. the implications are far reaching for me, in my life. i have a ton of thinking/feeling to do, and when i have it thought out, i would love to write more. i can see in your post that your thoughts are deeply considered. thank you again. whatchamacallit, i think that 25 mile bubble is funny, esp with all the flooding that was in that area last week. i found the bc people were always 'correcting' me, esp if i used my own words to describe things and didnt repeat word for word what ramtha sd. i used to wonder how much they understood of what they said. | ||
| in_the_zone Junior Member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 67.176.40.134 |
As for advanced students, I was speaking to an advanced student at an event, maybe it was the beginner's follow up and she was telling me how she went to an advanced event, I think it was blue college follow up in January and ramtha never showed up and it was 8 days in pouring rain and snow...apparently JZ was shopping in NYC. Yet here she was, at another event, paying her way and it never occured to her that she was "being had". I will admit, before I went to Assay 6, I was very motivated to out-perform advanced students. Not so much as a competitive thing but more along the lines of that if one applies oneself, the label of advanced and beginner mean nothing. And I did achieve great results which I shared with people as the week unfolded and many of them marveled at my achievements. The point of which, is that RSE is a place where people congregate because they think they're small. When you think you're small, your smallness tells you to be with people who are big and as such you will become big. But it's not true. You just stay small and by doing so, RSE becomes the crutch that gives you the tewmnporary feeling that you are big when in fact you still keep supporting the silent notion that you're small. It's so cheap there because people actually think that by calling each other Master, that somehow Mastery will occur. It's so cheap and degrading there. It's like drinking cheap wine for a quick high while blasting out your liver. And I say that people will keep flocking there because they like to be told that they are Masters all the while they are treated as pond scum. The people who leave are the ones who say to themselves, something stinks here and I'm tired of paying someone to tell me I'm great but who actually thinks very poorly of me. It's a ruse, a deception, and I for one hope it collapses under its own weight. |
