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     granite Member Username: granite Post Number: 87 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.25.101.216 |
LET'S TAKE CHRIST OUT OF CHRISTMAS! Because it is that time of year This verse has come your way. To tell you why I can't condone This pagan holiday. "Merry Christmas" is a phrase You'll hear this time of year, Expressing heartfelt sentiments To those you hold most dear. "Let's Keep Christ in Christmas" Is another timely phrase, It's Satan who is glorified - Beware his subtle ways! Jesus is "The Reason for the Season" Some folks say, And yet the Scriptures teach Christ wasn't born on Christmas Day! For God declares the 25th Was not our Saviour's birth. Yet saved and unsaved on this day Rejoice with equal mirth! You can't mix children of the dark With children of the light, And expect this fornication To be pleasing in His sight! But men love darkness more than light Is what the Scriptures say And so they've tried to christianize This total heathen day! Jesus is the Way, the Truth No truth is of a lie So celebrating Christmas time His "True Church" will not buy! Men call this season holy Then chock it full of lies. Can this be of the Holy One Or just a mere disguise? When men call something holy You had best beware, Satan's at the heart of it Countless souls to snare! Can you believe the Christmas season With its drunkenness and mirth, Gives honor to our Saviour To recall His holy birth? Do you believe that every place That sports a Christmas tree, Abortion clinics, banks and bars Are Christianity? Whose birthday did it celebrate Before our Saviour came? It's still the same old festival Someone just changed the name! It's Nimrod's birthday party Always was and ere will be, Think of these things, dear Christian As you decorate your tree! For long before dear Jesus came This holiday was kept, From Babylon into the church This season slowly crept! | ||
| granite Member Username: granite Post Number: 88 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.25.101.216 |
Satan shakes his fist at God "What fools these mortals be! I told you I'd deceive them, And they would worship ME!" Ole Satan takes a scripture truth And mixes it with lies, "You'll spend eternity with me!" The old deceiver cries. But Christ declares from majesty "I've still a faithful few Who are awake and will not bow Nor bend their knees to you!" God seeks those who'll worship Him In Spirit and in truth. For many, this means we must reject The lies taught from our youth! The standard is not set by men But set by God alone, And only those who follow it Will sit upon the throne! God is One Who won't be mocked He's weary of our ways, Of taking pagan festivals To call them holy days! They say if we remove the lies From all this Christmas fun, We'll soon end up with nothing To remind us of God's Son! Like Santa Claus, "He's coming kids!" They never bat an eye; But God sees this for what it is It's just a Christmas lie! Santa's elves make all these toys And Santa's reindeer fly, He knows the good girls and the boys Another Christmas lie! In case you haven't figured out His demons pull that sleigh, And Santa is really Satan Just spelled another way! And for the more "religious" How about some "sacred lies"? The Saviour's born to mankind So we'll all see paradise! Makes no difference how we live Or what we do and say, God wouldn't send a man to Hell It's not the Christian way! Jesus born in Bethlehem On Christmas long ago, Freezing shepherds grazing sheep In the December snow! Christmas hymns and natal scenes As holy as they seem, Cleverly are part of This hellish Christmas scheme! "Jingle Bells" and "Silent Night" Lead many souls astray But now you have a glimpse Of how God views this heathen day! Holly, bells and mistletoe And toasts of Christmas glee May leave you with a hangover In Hell eternally! Candles, lights, and christmas trees Are pagan to the core, and Befit not one washed by His blood But flaunted by the "Whore." Don't fall for the deception I pray you'll come to see The white horse of Apocalypse Is bearing down on thee! There is no truth in Christmas It's just a pack of lies; "Presents" from the evil one With hopes your soul he buys! Of many "false Christs" we are warned Most in the pulpits be, Beware when they say: "Come! Let's carol round the christmas tree!" The "secret" of the Lord's With those who fear His holy Name. If you really are a Christian Cease from this worldly game! (Message edited by granite on October 28, 2006) | ||
| granite Member Username: granite Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.25.101.216 |
Luke 16 tells the story Verse 13 is specially true: You cannot serve two masters Choose today which one for you! "We're saved, it doesn't matter" You may hear some preacher say; But all will find out differently When comes the judgment day! If you were blind, He could forgive But since you say you see, The consequences you will reap For all eternity! In vanity you worship Him, Traditions for to keep; Protesting barks and oinks I hear Aren't coming from the sheep! In Revelation 3:16 The fate of many lies Not bold enough to take a stand They yield to compromise! And then they wonder why He says, "Lukewarm! I'll spue thee out!" They've let the standard so far down They may not hear this shout! Every Word of God is pure And we must be the same; Let's seek to reach this standard And be worthy of His name! The Pilgrims would not celebrate This date the world holds dear; They boldly stood against it Sound in Truth, they did not fear! My friend, if you love Jesus, If he reigns within your heart, Forsake this Christmas garbage And refuse to take a part! For one day soon we'll give account For all we've said and done; Have we stayed steadfast in the Lord Or bowed to Satan's fun? If you really want to please your Lord Refrain this wicked way. Love and honor His holy Name Each and every day! Bow your head and ask the Lord, "Forgive me, I have strayed I've worshipped Christmas idols Into their hands I've played." "Oh, Father! We cry out to Thee In these last dangerous days Give us strength and courage To repent our evil ways." If you don't know the Saviour And you're sick of all your sin, Just open up your heart's door For He's promised to come in. Repent! And He will wash your sins Much whiter than the snow; When you take on His righteousness To Heaven you will go! Don't wait until you're good enough That good you'll never be, Let Jesus save your wretched soul He sets sin's captives free! You cannot offer anything To One Who is all wise; Cain's offering was evil Abel's was the prize. The foolish count on works To place their souls in paradise; But the good works of Christmas Even these will not suffice. No matter how you care and give, How lavishly you bestow, Won't keep you from that fiery fate Prepared for you below! And giving gifts to needy folks You think rewards may bring, But all your works mean nothing Lest you serve the King of kings! In Matthew 7 verse 22 And also 23, Show "holy works" done "in His Name" Can be iniquity! It's those who hide behind a mask Doing works for all to see, That may impress their fellow man But fail to well please Thee! So before you do another work Before comes end this day, Think long of who is glorified When Christmas games you play! Jesus Christ, the Holy One Righteous, Pure and True, I won't put Christ in Christmas To dishonour Him. Should you? - Mr. & Mrs. Donald Maconhagie THE CONVERSION CENTER PO Box 31688, Raleigh NC 27690 (919) 782-6140 http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/index.htm (Message edited by granite on October 28, 2006) | ||
| dodge Advanced Member Username: dodge Post Number: 647 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.63.65.192 |
You better watch out You better not sin You better not fudge your taxes again Jesus Christ is comin' to town He's tearin' down walls And shootin' out flames Kickin' bad butts and takin' bad names Jesus Christ is comin' to town He sees you when you're drinking He knows when you chase tail He knows you've checked out online porn - Better pack your bags for Hell! Oh! You better not be A liberal or queer Apocalyptarmageddon is here Jesus Christ is comin' to town He knows if you are Muslim Or Buddhist, Jew, or Sikh He knows if you've sought heathen gods And if so, you're up •••• creek! So! You better not get A lump of char-coal 'Cause baby that's charred remains of your soul Jesus Christ is comin' TO TOWN! (by a Room Full of Monkeys) | ||
| dodge Advanced Member Username: dodge Post Number: 648 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.63.65.192 |
And now, to the tune of the "Mickey Mouse Club," let's all sing "The Jesus Christ March." Who's the boss of manger, cross, and Sea of Galilee? J-E-S- U-S C- H-R-I-S-T! Allah? Krishna? Buddha? Who's our fav-rite deity? J-E-S- U-S C- H-R-I-S-T! Jesus Christ - JEEE-ZUS CHRIST! Jesus Christ - COMING TWICE! We'll never ever take his name in vain - LORD! GOD! NO! Sacrifishty Eucharishty Eschatology J-E-S- U-S C- H-R-I-S-T! [Ritardando] We're One Nation Under God and guess which God it be? J-E-S- (es muy apocaliptico!) U-S C- (si, Senor!) H-R-I-S-T! | ||
| cherokee_maiden New member Username: cherokee_maiden Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 4.226.42.139 |
Granite: I thought your poem was very good and fitting. Is the Conversion Center a branch of the Church of God affiliate? | ||
| cherokee_maiden New member Username: cherokee_maiden Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 4.226.42.139 |
Granite: I thought your poem was very good and fitting. Is the Conversion Center a branch of the Church of God affiliate? | ||
| cherokee_maiden New member Username: cherokee_maiden Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 4.226.42.139 |
Granite: I thought your poem was very good and fitting. Is the Conversion Center a branch of the Church of God affiliate? | ||
| kimberlyfredrick Member Username: kimberlyfredrick Post Number: 71 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 207.69.137.13 |
Cherokee, I'm gonna bump this thread up for you. Granaite has a small window of time to post and I bet he forgot about this thread with it being way down in the folder section. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1815 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Why not take Christ out of Christmas. He has been taken out of the vast vast majority of the churches and all of the T.V. telemaketing ministries from the Tammy & Jim Baker's P.T.L. Club on up (and down). | ||
| dodge Advanced Member Username: dodge Post Number: 658 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.34.124.8 |
I don't think unsaved people should celebrate Christmas because they don't deserve any gifts. They're like children going to a birthday party they were not invited to and stealing all of the birthday presents. Jesus teaches us that people who celebrate His birthday without getting His permission are doomed to spend eternity in Hell. It might not make sense when we hear that God is going to interrupt little unsaved children from unwrapping gifts under the Christmas tree and hurl them into a pit of fire, but it's not for us to question how the Lord gets His kicks. There are True Christians who are now lobbying Congress to put laws into effect that will prevent non-Christians from destroying their lives by celebrating Christmas. With new computer credit card domestic activity surveillance techniques put in place by the Godly Bush administration, it has become a whole lot easier to track the purchase of gifts by nonbelievers. They should put these sorts of people in jail, or fine them. Anything to deter them from making a mockery of God. It's for their own good. My church is offering a Christmas reward present...a brand new 12-guage Remington shotgun, to the junior high youth who reports to the police department the names and addresses of the most unsaved school chums they hear talking about getting Christmas presents, but have no accepted Jesus Christ as their personal playmate. Merry Christmas and fine shooting. | ||
| granite Member Username: granite Post Number: 93 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.25.21.30 |
Maiden: No, the Conversion center is not a COG affiliate. They are actually Sunday-keepers, just of the old-time fundamental sort (Baptist/Presbyterian in doctrine). Once upon a time there were Protestants who actually protested and spoke the truth about the pope and Roman Catholicism. There are many Sunday-keeping Christians who reject Xmas, including Jehovah's Witnesses, many Mennonites, some Apostolic Pentecostals, and even a few radical Baptists. | ||
| mcsteve New member Username: mcsteve Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 84.136.97.229 |
Granite, great! May I post your poem on my website www.weites-land.eu? Weites-Land means Open Range and is a picture of the Kingdom of God. This european Website is in German, but in the FORUM area are some sermons in english, too. By the way. This is our first time Christmas without all the heathen stuff. We had an invitation to a Easter-Breakfast. It was a pure celebration of Estera, the Goddess. Eggs, and nests and chickens, rabbits, presents for the kids, and Lambs (that was the only christian symbol) It was a "just for the Kids" - lie some "born-agains" had organised. We had be too tolerant on it, so from now on, we won't celebrate anything on that special days. Looking forward to see your Easter-Poem: Some "Over the field and far away.." rabbit tale, where the rabbit is cooked with some eggs at the end? Kingdom greetings McSteve | ||
| granite Member Username: granite Post Number: 94 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.25.122.212 |
McSteve, I contacted Mrs. Maconhagie this morning, and she was happy to oblige. The poem is not copyrighted and so may be used freely, with contact info for The Conversion Center included. I'm glad you appreciate it, and hope it will reach many on your site. I agree, an Easter poem would be in order too! Blessings to you... - Les R., tracts@juno.com | ||
| mcsteve New member Username: mcsteve Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 84.136.110.59 |
Les, thank you - I posted the poem on http://www.weites-land.eu and started an international, english discussion board area on my site. Greetings to Mrs. Maconhagie and blessings. HIS Kingdom comes McSteve | ||
| redm1sk New member Username: redm1sk Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 208.50.5.193 |
Granite, Never heard it put so well. | ||
| bachman Junior Member Username: bachman Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 162.84.186.172 |
Santa Claus is comin' and the kids are gettin' greedy And they know it's in the stores because they seen it on the TV Whoo...it's Christmas time, yeah! Whoo...it's Christmas time, yeah! The DJs on the radio they'll really knock your head off 'Cause Macy's got an ad they wanna make alotta bread offa Whoo...Christmas time, yeah! Whoo...it's Christmas time, yeah! Now Madison Avenue is such a pushy scene You know they're painting all the billboards red and green Whoo...Christmas time, yeah! Whoo...it's Christmas time, yeah! Well, you go into the forest and you cut down all the trees I know you got a power saw, but who plants the seeds? Whoo...it's Christmas time, yeah! Whoo...it's Christmas time, yeah! Oh, now it used to be the birthday of a Man who saved our necks Now it stands for Santa Claus, they spell it with an "X" Whoo...Christmas time, yeah! Whoo...it's Christmas time! Now I gotta buy a present, can't remember who it's for But I'll see you in an hour when I get back from the store Whoo...it's Christmas time, yeah! All right, it's Christmas time! Yeah, we're gonna price 'em high baby It's Christmas time, yeah! Sell 'em out now Whoa...it's Christmas time, yeah! Whoa...it's Christmas time, yeah! Whoa...it's Christmas time, yeah, yeah! It's a Christmas time...time...time...time It's Christmas time! - CHRISTMAS TIME Randy Stonehill/Larry Norman | ||
| leftin1991 Intermediate Member Username: leftin1991 Post Number: 468 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.24.207.240 |
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| bear Advanced Member Username: bear Post Number: 974 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.236.150.133 |
It is interesting that: 1. Jesus was not born on December 25. 2. That the tree was actually an old pagan worship item. 3. That December 25 was chosen as the birth of Christ to counter the Pagan rituals and festivals of its day. 4. That Christmas is really just a secular holiday. As a Christian, I celebrate Christmas as a time of fun and family. Yes, I have a tree and presents, etc. However, I do not get all hung up on taking Christ out of Christmas, since Christ does not really have anything to do with the holiday. Note: I know that Christmas is a shortened version of Christ-Mass, yet that really does not change the facts. Also, there are those in the Christian world who will not have a tree in their home, due to its Pagan roots. I do not go to that extreme, for there are so many items in our culture that have Pagan origins, that it would surprise most people. One example: Brides Maids all wearing the same dress... | ||
| marta Senior Member Username: marta Post Number: 1017 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.194.175.25 |
That Christmas is really just a secular holiday. Which is fine by me ... I think Christmas should be more like Thanksgiving. Just another day to celebrate and be thankful for friends and family. In my opinion, if God had wanted us to celebrate Jesus' birthday ... He would have recorded the exact date in scripture. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1959 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 167.193.134.61 |
Putting aside for the moment the question about whether Christ really was born on or about Dec. 25 (there is good reason to believe He was, but that will be another post), Christians have celebrated His birth on that date since at least the mid-4th century (350 AD or so) and undoubtedly far earlier, though the more important winter Feast was considered to be the Theophany (celebrating His baptism and revelation of divinity) of Christ on Jan. 6. Why should we ignore almost 1700 years of Christian practice so we can conform to those who in the last 100 years or so think they know better than all who came before them? | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1960 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 167.193.134.61 |
Most Protestants, it seems, really are Arians or Nestorians. The Incarnation is the most significant event in world history. | ||
| marta Senior Member Username: marta Post Number: 1019 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.194.175.25 |
Why should we ignore almost 1700 years of Christian practice so we can conform to those who in the last 100 years or so think they know better than all who came before them? Probably for the same reason that I ignore a lot of the other man-made rituals practiced by the Roman Catholic Church. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1967 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 167.193.134.61 |
Marta, Marta, mart. Do you even know the early history of the Church? What you term The Roman Catholic Church didn't really come into being until the fall of Rome. It is an amalgam of Apostolic Christianity with Frankish philosophy and theology. And it is precisely what all of Protestantism is ultimately founded upon. The "Roman Catholic Church" did not create "Christmas". But, hey, its your life... | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 877 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
M(r)(s). Marta: Like usual Mr. Knowitall is wrong with his theories. The Feast of Epiphany began in 325. During the first week of January, the Eastern Church worshipped the feast of first things ending with the birth of Christ on January 7. The Roman church was not invented until around 1000 AD and was strickly a political organization. That group murdered thousands of German citizens trying to seat the Pope's king in Germany. Martin Luther defeated the Roman invasion. All of "Protestantism" has nothing to do with the Roman church. The "protestors" defeated Roman pope in Germany. Christianity is based on God's (w)Holy Inspired Inerrant Word for the Ages. Christmas, by the by, predates Christ. Should you decide to read your Bible. It is an Old Testament celebration of the god of the forrest. | ||
| marta Senior Member Username: marta Post Number: 1023 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.194.175.25 |
mcmstaff78, Do you even know the early history of the Church? Obviously not as well as you, but I guess my point is ... there are a lot of man-made traditions and rituals that have been practiced for many years ... but that doesn't mean they originate from God. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1972 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 167.193.134.61 |
T(not)atm comes close, but again, no cigar. The feast of Theophany (or Epiphany if you prefer) is the culmination of the feast of the Nativity ("Christmas" in the West), and is celebrated on January 6. Initially the Nativity of Christ was part of that celebration, extending from Dec. 25 to January 6. Clement of Alexandria (2nd Century AD) alludes to both the celebration of the Theophany of our Lord as well as his Nativity. It was the Western Church, in the 6th century, that was the first to truly separate the feasts, but Dec. 25 was celebrated in some parts of the Church hundreds of years earlier. As to the "Roman Catholic Church", I'm not sure what t{not}atm is alluding to with his 1000 AD reference (since he is usually vague on fact while long on assertion), but the Germans (in the form of the Franks and Goths) over ran the Western half the Roman empire far earlier than 1000 AD, and had established essential political and theological dominance, at least in Gaul (modern France - after the Franks) by the late 5th Century with the [edit] Merovingians. We see the ultimate consolidation and expansion of that in the Carolignian "empire" about the mid-8th Century. It was King Karolous (Charlemagne) who used the thread of force and political blackmail to get the Pope to Crown him "Holy Roman Emperor" in 800. This move backfired, because it established the Pope as over the secular authority, with emperors subject to him rather than the other way around, as Karolus had hoped. At any rate, this was the middle of the end for the Latin west in terms of being true to Apostolic Christianity. Luther was a product of another 700 years of this, and all of Protestantism springs from this foundation. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1974 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
T(not)atm - I did get to thinking about your calling me "Mr. Knowitall". Now, on the one hand that's pretty ironic. I mean, pot, meet kettle. On the other I acknowledge that I do come off as somewhat tendentious at times (okay, maybe more times than not). However, I also tend to post only on subjects I know something about. The things that I either have no or little knowledge or interest, I don't post regarding them. So...it would seem, especially on a message board, that I might come across as a "know it all". My apologies to those I may have offended by doing so. However, facts are important and seem to be rarely offered by some who post around here. Marta, there are a great many things that are "man made" which do not necessarily contravene God's commandments. Does the church you attend have an "altar call"? Man made. Came out of Finney's adaptation of a Methodist practiced. How about "praise songs"? Man made. Traditions and rituals are not, ipso facto, bad nor does it mean they do not "originate in God". The OT is full of God originated ritual, and there are a number of examples in the new as well. Paul, in several places, wrote to follow his "traditions". Celebration of the Nativity is found right in the scriptures with the Magi from the east coming to worship the newborn Lord of Glory. Christmas actually grew out of that, for Theophany at first incorporated celebration of the Magi's worship as well. Christmas done well is a wonderful thing. Ignore the commercialism, focus on Christ. Let the weeks leading up to it be a pilgrimage as the Magi were on. Then, when the day dawns, one can rejoice that the God of Creation became flesh, born of a Virgin. | ||
| bear Advanced Member Username: bear Post Number: 977 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.236.150.133 |
I am thankful for the birth of Jesus, regardless of what day it is on. However, histroical points lead to Christ being born sometime in September. Mcmstaff78, Actually, there is not any mention of the Magi being present at the birth of Christ. Jesus was actually between 1-2 years old before they even arrived. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1994 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
Bear, I didn't write the the Magi were present at the birth of Christ. Since Christ was born in a stable, a cave in rock, and the wise men found Him in a house it was not the day of His birth. But that doesn't mean He was 1 to 2 years old. The word translated in the KJV in Mat. 2 as "young child" may properly mean "infant". Also, Matthew 2:1 specifically states "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem," The coming and worship of the Wise men were is response to the Lord's birth. And care to share with me exactly where history points to Christ being born in September? You might find this enlightening. | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 785 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.247.154.189 |
That was pretty interesting. I wonder if that heretic Tertullian was a tongue talker  . | ||
| bear Advanced Member Username: bear Post Number: 978 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.236.150.133 |
mcmstaff78, You are correct about the first part of Matthew chapter 2. 1. The Magi where aware of the prophetic texts concerning the birth of the Christ. They also were aware of this strange phenomenon in the stars, and thus set out. 2. The word "when" in 2:1 can also be translated "after"; they are the same within this context. Yes, they did come to worship, more appropriatley, paying kingly homage, not worship in the same fashion that we would worship God; they did not follow Jehovah. 3. In 2:16, King Herod kills all male children two years and younger. He chose this number based on "...according to the time which he had determined from the wise men". Thus, at least two tears from the point that they first observed the star. This is all just fun debate for me, and not meant to start a war on the wise men. As far as your question about September, what exactly would you like me to provide: - Authors - Books - Aricles - Research documents - Etc? I arrived at that loosley from research, yet pin pointing is impossible. I was merely putting in my proverbial 2 cents. With the Shepherds still being out in the fields at night, we know that the rainy season and cold winter months had not yet begun. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 2001 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
Read the link I provided. | ||
| bear Advanced Member Username: bear Post Number: 979 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.236.150.133 |
I will. |
