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david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 165
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 6:16 am: | 
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In 1992 Joe Szimhart recorded an interview with Jeff Knight
The interview has never been seen in public before.
Jeff died from the HIV aids infection in 1994.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3120161414903197972 |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 31
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 10:42 pm: |
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I for one was moved by this video. Maybe Jeff was a BS-er but he seemed genuine and not full of hate or aggression towards JZ. One thing that really struck me was that Jeff did not seem to say anything that would intimate he thought Ramtha himself was a fraud...just that JZ's ambitions could hurt people big time. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 166
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 6:51 pm: |
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in_the_zone
Your statement that "Maybe Jeff was a BS-er"
and "not full of hate or aggression towards JZ"
What gave you that impression about Jeff in the first place?
Because that is exactly what RSE supporter now say about me.
I personally met Jeff in 1991 and he seemed a very gentle Soul.
You also comment.. “One thing that really struck me was that Jeff did not seem to say anything that would intimate he thought Ramtha himself was a fraud...
Jeff called RSE a dangerous and evil money making business with a farce of a teachings, just how much does Jeff have to spell it out to everyone?
Do you need more proof?
Stay tuned
David |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 33
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
| | Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 8:54 pm: |
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I'm not looking for proof about anything. My comment about Jeff is based on the fact that most everybody who is front and center in any way at RSE seems to have an angle, some sort of ulterior motive and Jeff did not seem to have that in his demeanor on this film. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 167
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Saturday, October 28, 2006 - 6:04 pm: |
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in_the_zone,
perhaps so but..
Let us try and stay with the facts,
especially in regard to Jeff Knight.
There is enough “created facts” by JZ Knight out there already.
David |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 219
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 9:25 pm: |
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In The Zone,
I think I understand what your post was attempting to convey. When looking at the RSE teachings, one certainly can become cynical and distrustful, viewing/hearing things with an intensely discerning perspective.
I think it's reasonable to wonder if Jeff Knight was being sincere in his interview - and as you said - he did seem to be.
I also noticed that when he referred to "Ramtha", he seemed to refer to him as a separate "person". I wondered what that meant to him, also. We may never know, since he has passed away.
He did refer to RSE in a very negative way. So, it's fair to assume that he either thought JZ fit that description, or if he believed in Ramtha's reality, then it applied to both of them. In either case, it seemed clear that steering clear of that "school" was a wise thing to do ! |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 170
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 3:59 am: |
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"I also noticed that when he referred to "Ramtha", he seemed to refer to him as a separate "person".
whatchamacallit.
In an 1992 TV interview Jeff was asked the very same question,
From what I recall he said..
It was part habit and part to differentiate from "Ramtha" the teacher and JZ Knight the channeller,
He did emphasize however that he no longer believed in the existence of "Ramtha"
I will post his response on Google Video later this week.
A video is worth a thousand words.
chuckle
David |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 221
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 8:24 am: |
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David writes: "It was part habit and part to differentiate from "Ramtha" the teacher and JZ Knight the channeller"
That's important to know, I think. We don't know how many people are going to view the interview between Jeff and Joe S. If we noticed that it could be perceived that Jeff believed Ramtha existed even after his divorce dealings with JZ Knight, others will question it, too.
In the interview, he said he was drawn-invited by JZ, back into the teachings. At another point, he also said he was hoping for a miraculous healing. That wouldn't be coming from JZ. He also said he asked repeatedly, for JZ to give him time alone with Ramtha as he was used to having. That would certainly indicate that he believed in Ramtha's existence.
As we know, there are a lot of people who have left the teachings. Most people who ever go there, do not remain more than a couple of years (average), from what I have seen and heard about from others, and in my experience talking with others. Some that leave know "something is wrong", and some leave and move on with their lives believing or suspecting Ramtha is real, but not liking the way JZ runs the school.
It would be good to be *clear* about what Jeff Knight had to say about that matter, especially since as he said in the interview, he lived with her as a spouse for 11 years. He surely ought to know her ! I think his death is a tragedy; he could have received medical help far earlier had he not misplaced his trust. He's also not alone in that error of judgment. Where is the accountability here ??
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mathew_morrell
Junior Member
Username: mathew_morrell
Post Number: 44
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 75.30.217.85
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 8:00 pm: |
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Breaking free from a cult does not occur over night. It takes years, perhaps many years, to free oneself. Even Jeff Knight, a man who saw the lies and duplicity of JZ first hand, wavered until the end concerning Ramtha. The interview proves that he had yet to totally free himself from the JZs psychic vice grip, which had paralyzed his common sense and his ability to think independently.
A rigorous process of self analysis is involved in weeding out all the false belief systems that you gain in a cult like RSE. These beliefs are so deeply embedded in your mind that sometimes we don't realize they're there until years later. Yet they shape how we see the world, how we view history, politics, our families and our own lives. At some point you have to stop blaming JZ for your problems and turn the responsibility for your life-failings over to yourself. You have to realize that you, by your own will, assumed the warped belief system of JZ Knight.
Admission of failure is the first step. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 222
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 9:58 pm: |
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Mathew,
I'm not sure where you're coming from with your comment "at some point you have to stop blaming JZ for your problemsand turn the responsiblity for your life-failings over to yourself. You have to realize that you, by your own will, assumed the warped belief system of JZ Knight. Admission of failure is the first step."
First: I respect that this is YOUR opinion. I accept that, too. However, I doubt that it applies to everyone. I do not see my life as a failure at all. I have a wonderful family, and the good fortune of material pleasures as well as other things I have pursued for myself.
I accept that I was lied to and conned. I accept that it happened insidiously, slowly, and deceptively. I accept that over time, I had the wisdom to see through the facade of what *I believe* is a destructive cult and get the heck out of there. I wish I had done so sooner, but I'm glad that I did it at all. I have friends who are still enmeshed in it, all starry-eyed. I have other friends who see red flags and have told me they are afraid to leave. But I do not accept that JZ Knight has a right to defraud people, and IN MY OPINION, as well as that of others, that is what she has done and still does do.
I agree that in leaving a cult, one must reexamine all beliefs, because of the mind control influence of the cult upon many if not all areas of life. I take responsibility for doing that, too.
As for Jeff Knight wavering until the end, with regard to whether Ramtha exists or not, perhaps that is true. It is my opinion that whether there is or is not a real Ramtha, I don't believe JZ Knight is tapping into an evolved level of that being, IF she is tapping into "him" at all. He has no need to be degrading, drunk, condescending, threatening, materialistic, involved in people's personal lives, and related issues that have been brought up here on FACTNet. If he exists, then I would ask why he allows such behavior and why he has it in his "evolved" reality, if he is a loving, ascended being ? Personally, I don't buy it. He acts more base, and more human, than some of the worst people on this planet to treat others that way. He must be in Cosmic Kindergarten at best.
I remember a few times "he" COMMANDED students, "You will respect me." Really? Sorry, but I don't respect that teacher, whomever the real source actually is. It's a pathetic teacher that can't be more creative, at least, than to resort to the base level of actions that have happened in that "school". Err, I mean FOR PROFIT BUSINESS.
However, JZ Knight has a responsibility, too. Perhaps the day will come when we see what that is, not only morally, but legally. Time will tell. |
voidgate
Intermediate Member
Username: voidgate
Post Number: 149
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 144.138.162.95
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 11:15 pm: |
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It seems that all of RSE's customers are responsible for creating their reality and RSE has also created theirs.....
They have customers who consider it is all of their own fault that they got involved with an organization that does not deliver the goods offered.
How wonderful to have a customer base that accepts whatever you offer them and then on top of that take reponsibility for all of the businesses actions.
It is attitudes like this that support criminal activites and permit crime to continue.
(Message edited by voidgate on October 31, 2006) |
mathew_morrell
Junior Member
Username: mathew_morrell
Post Number: 45
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 75.21.51.120
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 3:25 am: |
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If JZ is such a criminal, then why isn’t she in jail? So far I haven't seen any evidence of criminal activity at RSE, at least any type of illegal activity that would warrant closing down the school. Furthermore, it would be fascistic to close down RSE---unless unlawful activity is proven in a court of law and not in the court of public opinion. The fact is, all RSE students attend events by their own will. By their own will, and not by JZs, they can also leave the school. When or if they do leave, they’ll have to someday admit that they themselves are ultimately to blame for having believed in JZ Knight. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 223
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 8:07 pm: |
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Mathew,
Do you believe that if someone lies to you and deceives you, that you are accountable for that and they are free from all accountability ?
I'm serious. When I read your post, it seems to me, that is what you are saying and I just want to be clear.
TIA,
Whatcha |
journeythroughramthaland
Junior Member
Username: journeythroughramthaland
Post Number: 43
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 76.170.95.25
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 8:56 pm: |
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"The fact is, all RSE students attend events by their own will. By their own will, and not by JZs, they can also leave the school. When or if they do leave, they’ll have to someday admit that they themselves are ultimately to blame for having believed in JZ Knight."
Mathew,
You seem like a fairly bright fellow. While I think I understand what you are trying to say, I think it lacks the context of what occurs in a cultic enviornment.
Coming to terms with ones involvement in a group such as RSE can be complex to say the least. One needs time to sort out the beginnings and ends of where their responsibility lies and where it does not and in the end, each individual will perhaps find the begining and end of where their boundries were breached and how much they activly participated in that breach if at all.
This is a quite common issue with those who have been conned; the tendency to blame themselves for having been conned.
The reality is, it has less to do with them then it does with the skill, cunning, lack of ethics and morals of the one doing the conning.
A person who falls for a con like JZ's is not much different then someone who follows a detour sign (a sign which has been uprooted and turned to face the opposite way from where it had been intended) and finds themselves lost.
If some vandal moved the sign, the person who follows it may have done so by their own will, but they will certainly not end up where they expected to.
Those who follow detour signs such as that should not be expected to blame themselves for doing so. The vandals who move the signs should be the ones held accountable.
Only if one was the highway supervisor and they followed the sign could I agree with you that they should bear a portion of the responsibility in following the bogus sign. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 224
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
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great analogy, jtr... one would think the supervisor would know better, but the folks who read the road signs and expect them to be WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE FOR, follow them in good faith.
the one messing with the signs, to suit their own agenda, is the con who should be held accountable for it.
there is a psychological term called "blaming the victim". all it really is, is defense mechanisms and manipulation of others. get the focus and attention off of them, and attempt to put it onto others - innocent victims... of lies. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 174
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 4:16 am: |
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Yes..
great post's..
It was once public opinion that cigarette smoking was healthy,
Were the public to be blamed for believing in the advertising campaigns used by the tobacco corporations to deliberately deceive people?
I think not..
Cult leaders do not suddenly take control overnight;
they build their empires one lie at a time,
cleverly dressed in a veneer of love and light.
They depend on followers not asking questions or doubting.
After all.. doubting and criticizing others is not very spiritual is it?
Humbug....
David. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 177
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 3:23 pm: |
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Quote Mathew...The fact is, all RSE students attend events by their own will. By their own will, and not by JZs, they can also leave the school. When or if they do leave, they’ll have to someday admit that they themselves are ultimately to blame for having believed in JZ Knight.
Mathew,
What I hope we achieving here is to provide factual information and support to help dispel the RSE deceptions and delusions. This will naturally bring into question the accountability and responsibility of everyone involved.
The blame and shame game will kick in as a convenient diversion to avoid the questions being asked, and used as a counter weapon to discredit.
Remember the Omega scam? Clyde Hood flourished in the RSE Community because of the ‘No Questions Asked” and the “No accountability required” RSE mindset.
Clyde Hood was finally brought to a court of law and sent to prison.
Let’s hope JZ Knight is exposed “Before the first snow” for what she is..
A spiritual predator and a fraud.
David. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 190
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.104.34
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 5:51 am: |
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Jeff Knight TV interview clips 1992..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=526513873099026862 |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 191
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.104.34
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 6:51 am: |
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Where there is hope….
"Ramtha" has predicted that Omega will be paying out before Christmas;
Yes,, this Christmas 2006 … this is very encouraging for those students who are struggling to find the cash for the upcoming Blue College event.
If you find yourself between the RSE timelines.
Consider the following options..
1. Try your skills at “remote view gambling” at the local Casino..
2. Borrow the money.
3. Use your credit Card.
4. Work for JZ Knight Inc for free.
5. Write to JZ Knight and beg “with dignity”.
6. Focus more…
7. Sell something.
8. Wait for a wine ceremony and jump the fence.
9. Consider that your greatest test is not to be there?
And for all those didn’t change their time line...
Congratulations..
There is a wonderful life in this one…
Chuckle
David |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 247
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 6:41 pm: |
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David writes: "Where there is hope….
"Ramtha" has predicted that Omega will be paying out before Christmas....2006 … this is very encouraging for those students who are struggling to find the cash for the upcoming Blue College event."
Just more MIND GAMES. Of course it won't pay out and that is a blessing for those who are still indoctrinated. Perhaps it will be The Red Flag that wakes them up and sends them on their merry way...out the RSE door and back into having the freedom of a life of their own, instead of being strung along like puppets. |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 44
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
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h yes, the contradictions just keep on rolling. Last year, ramtha told his eager audience that jz made her money investing in new technologies. He said one should not put money into money games...that this is wrong...that to invest in the future, in new companies with bright futures...this is how to make money. I don't know anything about Omega but I would be willing to bet a thin dime that it is neither a new company with a bright future nor is it a new technology. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 248
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.177.245.142
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 10:42 pm: |
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ITZ...interesting. Last year we get one story, and this year quite another.
When Dr. Joe was dismissed/ridiculed because he allegedly did not give credit to Ramtha when he spoke at various audiences around the country, JZ complained and sounded like quite the victim that he used "her/Ramtha's" teachings without credit. Oh, that was a story in itself.
Yet, on Larry King, it was noticed, that JZ never gave credit to Ramtha for anything she was discussing.
So, does that make her as "guilty" as Dr. Joe, of not giving credit ? She never mentioned Ramtha's name at all.
Curious. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 195
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.104.206
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 10:52 pm: |
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in_the_zone...
I don't know anything about Omega?
Perhaps this will help..
Omega
Clyde Hood
In 1994, Clyde Hood , a retired electrician with a history of petty fraud from the quiet little town of Mattoon, Illinois, woke up one morning and declared himself to be one of only seven "traders" in the world who were capable of pulling off multi-quadrillion dollar deals to benefit humanitarian programs worldwide. As stupid as this sounds, Clyde started lecturing to church groups and promising people that if they would just give him $100, he would give them back the $100 plus $5,000 in profits, and people believed him like crazy. Literally thousands of people sent Clyde $100 bills (often in amounts in the $20,000 range) wrapped in aluminum foil and delivered by Federal Express (since, according to Clyde, the U.S. government was attempting to "block" the trades and thus the U.S. Postal Service was untrustworthy). According to Clyde, the program "closed" to new investors in 1995.
By the end of 1995, Clyde had scammed more than $10 million dollars, mostly from the poor and retirees, and was spinning a long line of excuses as to why the program hadn't hit it big yet. But, even though the program wasn't paying as promised, more people wanted to enter the program so Clyde and his accomplices spun the tale that some people had wanted out of the program and had sold their units back to it, and these units were now available to them as "refund units", costing $100 but worth $5,100. Also, having a pool of suckers who were dumb enough to buy in once, Clyde and his band of Hoods then ran several similar scams known as "Alpha" and "Destiny" which were premised on the payouts from Omega. People bought into these programs too, though Omega was seriously overdue. All this time, Clyde and his Hoods were living the high life and taking tours of Europe (ostensibly to close the deal) and buying up businesses in Mattoon, such as the Blue Bird Diner.
Clyde and 18 more of his Hoods were finally indicted in 2000, and all either plea-bargained or were convicted, and you can read all about it in our Omega Trust & Trading Exhibit. Today, Clyde is probably a lifetime guest of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons. But just as Charles Ponzi's arrest didn't end his pyramid scheme, Omega has lived on even while Clyde (lately known as the "King" by his followers) languishes in prison, see The Omega Chronicles, and even now tens of thousands of really stupid people sit around the countryside waiting for the Federal Express or UPS truck to pull up which will make them gazillionaires. Lately, Omega has also been the foundation for a new scam -- the so-called NESARA scam.
From http://www.quatlosers.com/clyde_hood.htm
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david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 196
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.104.206
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 11:04 pm: |
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whatchamacallit.....
She never mentioned Ramtha's name at all.
Yes....that was true.
I suspect that "Ramtha" will soon find himself dismissed/ridiculed for not giving JZ Knight full credit for creating him..
Dark chuckle…
David |
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