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     gottapost2 New member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 81.169.183.122 |
Copied from http://indianapoliscult.com/AllatMikesfeet/yourfamily.aspx Much has been documented about the strain the Indianapolis Church puts on married couples and their destructive view of family. But my testimony is of another aspect to this warped application of selective Scripture. It’s a terrible thing that marriages are being destroyed, but other family relationships are also affected. This testimony is to help people at Indianapolis see the harm of following the teachings of allathisfeet.com. We are extended family members who are not part of Indy. We are for the most part strong believers. We are not lukewarm or mainstream or dead in our beliefs. We understand that a man must be born again, live an obedient life, and follow Christ in every aspect of life. We have varying levels of obedience, but for the most part are headed in the right direction. Despite these things, our family members in the Indy group have repeatedly called upon each of us to repent of unspecified sin. We have been exhorted to be “called out,” and live “wholly for Christ.” We don’t have an issue with living sanctified lives. But the bone of contention to our family in Indianapolis is that we meet in buildings. We have pastors. We have church structure and these are huge stumbling blocks – apparently worthy of eternal damnation. When we argue that our faith and our lives are Christ-following, our claims are rejected and we are treated as unbelievers. Essentially, we are “withheld affection” because we haven't forsaken our present lives to swallow Peter's doctrine. We’ve all been sent the Kingdom Press books -- The Foundations books, Meetings in His Kingdoms and various Mike Peters penned publications. There are some interesting things in the books, but we have all found them to be for the most part sarcastic, cynical, and angry against any church or organization that doesn't subscribe to their view. They see their movement as "God's Way" and everyone else is missing the boat. Over the years, we have paid less and less attention to the rantings. How many times can you defend your faith and not be listened to? Why should we repent to those who show no love or concern? None of us have ever been allowed to visit the family members of the Indy church. Grandparents have gone a decade without seeing their grandchildren. In fact, newborns have never seen an extended family member. Christmas and Birthdays and Graduations and basic family courtesies are never acknowledged. Family members go to their graves without the love or a concern of a daughter or a son. Mothers are left to cry themselves to sleep. Fathers look out the window in agony. The phone is silent, the mailbox empty. The extended family has been cut off because of our “sin” and “rebellion.” For a while, we thought it was something we had done. Most of us have undergone a period of self examination, thinking that perhaps the accusations were true. But they were not. It is actually a comfort to know that the accusations are not personal attacks, but rather a result of the “group think” of the Indy way. The writing: Physical Phamily explains where they are coming from and should help other extended family members who feel the pain of separation. Mike Peters writes about his own parents:“I can't let them bounce their grandchildren on their knee in some sort of love affair, as grandparents love to do. I can't give that much affection away to them... If you throw them all this love, compassion and sympathy, you're giving them drugs and you're blinding them to what they really need. You might cost them their soul! We're not talking about a cruel judgment and isolation.” | ||
| gottapost2 New member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 81.169.183.122 |
"Time to Walk it Out" found at http://www.yourkingdomcome.com/allaffection.htm is cruel - and not Christ-honoring -- when born-again, blood-bought believers are withheld affection, treated as infidels, and cut off. The condemnation of Father certainly rains down on teachings such as this. The scripture used to condemn the "physical phamily’ is manipulated - as the original intent was to separate believers from nonbelievers. If we are so wrong, then wouldn"t a loving family member want to keep some sort of relations with us to bring us back into the truth? If we are so evil, wouldn"t the persistent love and interaction of the "righteous" be a tremendous tool? Instead we are forced out of the picture as this new "Indy family" replaces us - and it’s a family that is no where near a godly one. It is a sad thing and grieves the One who died for us all. Signed, Your family | ||
| threeseas New member Username: threeseas Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 68.251.150.232 |
gottapost- Excellent way to express what so many, many people feel about the church in indy! By witholding contact/affection to family members...those BOUND TO THEIR OWN BRAND OF LEGALISM in Indy are displaying pure hate in my opinion, not the love of Jesus | ||
| gottapost2 New member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 152.160.63.125 |
I didn't express it, I just copied it from http://indianapoliscult.com/AllatMikesfeet/yourfamily.aspx | ||
| gottapost2 New member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 204.13.236.244 |
About family effects on my family: I gave my family riteous wrath for years because of the church buildings, hired clergy, unofficial liturgy. I wrote letters with Mike P's help arguing with my family members. During one visit between my parents and CII, Brian B told my mother she was "filled hypocrisy" after an hour's evaluation. I guess I had to hand it to him for saying that to her face. The the flaming arrows were one-way, the assesment was mutual, so my parents never visited again with CII. The "till death do us part" committed "100 brothers, sisters, mothers" are nowhere to be found since I moved away from the CCI group. They withdrew without any explanation -- except that I should to talk to Mike Peters. I did. I was never told any specific sin (not that there isn't ever any to find) for which I needed to repent to restore communications with CII. Yet when I left, I found my parents and siblings were true their words of love, and their lives were "deeper" than I could ever see from within Mike Peters' Church in Indianapolis. Since then my youngest of siblings began following Jesus and is raising Christ-centered teens without ever reading Mike's *Raising Children...* book; bonds of love, peace, and trust have been reestablished with my parents, and I'm much less a jerk (though some habits die hard). But a most joyful of blessings is our kids can share their affection with their grandparents despite their crazy beliefs about "going to church" and singing "Away in a Manger" at the Christmas tree. Love hopes all things, love never fails. | ||
| scannyd New member Username: scannyd Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
For those of you who do not know there is another attack on Jen and Tim going on at amazon.com. Apparently we are not able to review books without getting slandered. These people do not want the truth and seem to revel in lies. They take simple facts that are written on amazon.com and lie about it right on the webpage. If you want to check it out here is the link. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0962720208/ref=cm_rdp_product/002-6109159-9613619 Please pray for these people to be filled with dread over their lies. I for one am sick and tired of them. PS-You have to look at the comments under the individual reviews to access these lovely remarks from ChrisO and Dan Zeigler. Praying for these guys, Danielle | ||
| scannyd New member Username: scannyd Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
(posted on behalf of DanRepent because of factnet login issues) The Eight commandments of Indy brainwashing http://www.yourkingdomcome.com/marryjesus.htm This paper has 8 steps that people reiterate in their minds before joining this cult. Psychologically, this is how they are brainwashed and made into obedient slaves. I have outlined the cult objectives of each of the 8 chants (written in first person for members to memorize). You will notice the progression to more cult like behavior and then finally a person gives up his/her right to any protest wrong doing. That is when they have been totally converted into the kingdom of cults. PS - We as a church will marry Jesus, not as individuals. Mike teaches that each person will wed Jesus Christ on earth (present time), so they are not "really" married to their spouse. Sick! Mike doesn't understand God's world. 1.) Allegiance to a physical place (Indianapolis Church). Indy Mecca. They believe Jesus actually lives there like Santa lives in the North Pole. 2.) Sacrifice of money and security or any other personal ambitions and aspirations for them (Insurance and vacations are mentioned). 3.) Regulations on how to pray and related to God. Self abasement is encouraged to get the Lord's attention. 4.) Indy cult comes before all other personal affections and pleasures. 5.)Career advancement (money) should "advance" the cult only not for personal enjoyment. "My job, my occupation...NOT for my ego and security any longer." 6.)Renounce personal dignity and the conscience to display cult behavior. 7.)Prepare the mind for isolation and mind control. Reject individual thought patterns. 8.)Reject the "right" to express displeasure with the treatment/wrong doing from other cult members | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 268 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
There really should be a warning sign on the Amazon page for Meetings in His Kingdom. ~~ Don't you dare post an honest negative review of this book or our attack dog will be after you. He's awake 24/7 keeping an eye out for any negative words. We can't handle any criticism. ~~ Sad, really. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 269 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
And now, for something a little lighter: http://sacredsandwich.com/advertisement14.htm | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 83 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 85.17.45.2 |
I just realized that onetimeposter, chrisO, and Mike think that I recruited most of you into a "hate group" to attack the Indianapolis Church. I know I am slow, but this just occurred to me that they think I have a band of followers. I want to set the record straight about this. I spent five years defending Mike Peters and onetimeposter even when it didn't make since. I was known to get very angry and prideful to "outsiders" when people disagreed with Mike's teaching. I spent most of those years in harmful introspection and hyper-sensitivity around other people who were not aligned with Mike Peters. I will develop more about my experience on the website. I have a lot to say about how I mis-treated my spouse. To my shame I "withheld" affection in certain areas, because she was accepted in the cult at first. To be continued... About factnet, I was one of last posters to register on factnet and I knew nothing about it until June or July of 2006. I wasn't really sure they were a cult until about 2 or 3 months after I moved away in 2005. After praying for God to do something about the sinfulness of this group; I did some research on the internet about cults. Thanks to some guy named FYI who posted the newspaper article, I found this site. Denny and Jen were already here and so were cultfighter, gottapost, first_truth, and chrisO. I was thankful to see that God was doing something about their [the Indianapolis cult] sinful actions. Basically, Mike and Onetimeposter got caught in a serious lie and slander against Denny. Even if it was true, a true minister of Christ would not have brought that up publicly. Confessions should be kept confidential by the pastor or leader. And certainly they should not embellish what was confessed or bring it back out of the black box to use as extortion. I've been trying to put my finger on that problem for a long time even when I was associated with the group. When I came to factnet (I believe God had something to do with this), I was glad to see that light was shining on the dark corners of this cult. So let it be known to ChrisO and the other Peterites out there. These folks were already calling you a cult before I did publicly. I did not recruit any of them. Nor am I their leader, trust me if that were true then gottapost doesn't follow my orders very well.  | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 84 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 168.150.251.39 |
Correction: "I spent five years defending Mike Peters and onetimeposter even when it didn't make sense." not "since" | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 270 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Here's one of ChrisO's lovely comments about Tim (danrepent) on Amazon: And maybe since you are accusing the author of being a "Martin Luther" others here would care ot know how YOU have attempted to draw men to YOURSELF by ads on Google where you advertise yourself as wanting to start something religious near where you live. It's a free country, and you have every right to advertise yourself that way, but... Maybe others should understand that ABOUT you, how you accuse others of the very same things you yourself are guilty of, while painting the author of this book as some "Martin Luther." I have no idea what Chris is referring to here --as is often the case-- but it does seem strange to me that anyone who has a website or blog and speaks out against this false teaching –even only occasionally, like me– is considered to have an evil agenda, but the allathisfeet website is sanctioned somehow and IT is drawing disciples all over the globe. I have seen in some other venues on the internet where some people have had interaction with others who follow the allathisfeet teaching, and they have found those disciples to be quite elitist and judgmental. I have been accused of being Tim's "cohort" in this evil 6-7 month campaign of hatred and slander against Mike Peters. This is ridiculous as well, since the only reason I even got involved in this is because a couple of this group's esteemed leaders --oh, I forgot, they don't have leaders-- got together to discredit my husband with vile lying slander, BEFORE WE EVEN KNEW THIS SITE EXISTED. So naturally, I was hurt and would want to defend my husband. Who wouldn't? Mike and Dan, in retrospect, wouldn't it have been better to just have said something a bit more innocuous in regard to Denny and the newspaper article? If you had, I might actually have had some respect for you and likely would never have gotten so upset (for which I did apologize). But then, this seems to be a pattern with supporters of this group. If anyone says anything negative about this group, they are painted as the most vile of sinners. –e.g. Denny, gottapost, Tim Sz, cultfighter, Tim D, did I miss anyone? Oh, yeah! Me. Jen | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 271 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
ChrisO also said on Amazon: Jen, understand I will relentlessly pursue this if I have to stay up 24/7. You will NOT get away with this garbage. You aren't on FactNet now where people can be manipulated and treated as senseless. How 'bout that folks? ChrisO thinks you're able to be manipulated and treated as senseless. Seems really weird to accuse me of treating ya'll that way when my resounding theme has been to use the discernment God gives to find out if what we are saying is so or not... More of ChrisO on Amazon: You take deliberate advantage of the fact that we are believers and therefore, due to our beliefs, have no recourse in the courts for the kind of hate, slander, smear, and religious persecution that you've mounted against me and others associated with this church, here (under the cloak of "review") and elsewhere. And you know that, shroaded in the evil cloak of "religious" deception you carry on here and elsewhere (with your "we love and are praying for you, Chris") It's sickening, Jen, it really is. Chris, no one is persecuting you. And you are not even in this church, but by your own admission were asked to leave. Honestly Chris, you say Denny has some unhealthy preoccupation with Mike Peters? You really need to examine yourself about that. As far as taking advantage of the fact that you are believers and have no recourse in the courts? Again, ridiculous. We are believers and we have no intention of taking Mike, Dan, or you to court for the libel against Denny here. And one last thing, Chris. You can think and say all you want about my “religious deception”, but the fact is that we do love you, and are praying for you. Not some warm and fuzzy kind of feeling, but the kind of love God expects from us. Matthew 5:43-48 It’s not easy, but it’s a fact. Jen | ||
| gottapost2 Junior Member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 82.103.134.254 |
I think a reason ChrisO left this forum was, a) because the evidence made his silly vitriol look sillier, and 2) he knew (perhaps) that only people who buy books from Amazon can post reviews. My review of Meetings in His Kingdom: I read it. I even edited draft 1 and 2. Nothing new or revolutionary in that book; it's a naval gazing wonder. During the edit process, Mike Peters' disciples awed themselves that his footnotes are longer than his chapters. Mike Peters' is not a writer... no big deal accept it is the second bible of the CII; many CII books are reprinted "sermons" from CCI meetings and MIHK has similar sections used to wow the reader. | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 85 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Fun facts about the Indianapolis Group. (Taken from their own Amazon.com testimonies. Thanks cultist for revealing your ways.) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0962720208/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/002-0225615-8185619?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books 1.) Mike thinks his teaching so revolutionary, he is equivalent to Martin Luther. “The thoughts and Vision for the Church today are as revolutionary (basic scriptures applied in Life) as was the 95 Thesis of Martin Luther. Only something this profoundly as simple as GRACE could shake and expose those who secretly use Christ's sacrifice as a means for their own” 2.) The priority of this group is man centered. The worldly doctrine forbids personal relationship with Christ to dominate as the primary goal. “So if you don't have an axe to grind, a lifestyle to defend and you love God's word…” Notice getting rid of the axe to grind is the first requirement. Next is the lifestyle that they accuse everyone of living (We don’t live that way and we are not apart of their group). Both of these are negative requirements, dos and don’ts of Mike Peter’s initiation doctrine; as someone put it on Amazon “Cult Propaganda”. Last, but not least, or maybe it is least in this cult: the word of God. You know it seems to me that the Peterites think church goers and the rest of the Christian world are stupid. Jehovah’s witnesses and Morons heavily quote scripture. If you read this book it really does have a lot of scripture references, but 85% are out of context and he is all over the place trying to “bend” the rules to fit his revolutionary ideas. 3.) Hierarchy of the teaching objectives: “I believe it offers true direction on relationships, Christian unity, and true worship.” First relationships are the most important thing in this group. They do everything together, because Mike’s teaching is like communism. Second is unity, which in their minds is that everyone “MUST” agree that Mike & the leaders are equivalent to Martin Luther in some degree. If you do not do this you will be kicked out, trust me! Finally, true worship is sited just so they will seem Christian. They real Jesus is not in their midst like Mike proclaims. The real Jesus is grieved by the evil they do in His name. | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 86 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Fun facts about the Indianapolis Group. (Taken from their own Amazon.com testimonies. Thanks cultist for revealing your ways.) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0962720208/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/002-0225615-8185619?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books 1.) Mike thinks his teaching so revolutionary, he is equivalent to Martin Luther. “The thoughts and Vision for the Church today are as revolutionary (basic scriptures applied in Life) as was the 95 Thesis of Martin Luther. Only something this profoundly as simple as GRACE could shake and expose those who secretly use Christ's sacrifice as a means for their own” 2.) The priority of this group is man centered. The worldly doctrine forbids personal relationship with Christ to dominate as the primary goal. “So if you don't have an axe to grind, a lifestyle to defend and you love God's word…” Notice getting rid of the axe to grind is the first requirement. Next is the lifestyle that they accuse everyone of living (We don’t live that way and we are not apart of their group). Both of these are negative requirements, dos and don’ts of Mike Peter’s initiation doctrine; as someone put it on Amazon “Cult Propaganda”. Last, but not least, or maybe it is least in this cult: the word of God. You know it seems to me that the Peterites think church goers and the rest of the Christian world are stupid. Jehovah’s witnesses and Morons heavily quote scripture. If you read this book it really does have a lot of scripture references, but 85% are out of context and he is all over the place trying to “bend” the rules to fit his revolutionary ideas. 3.) Hierarchy of the teaching objectives: “I believe it offers true direction on relationships, Christian unity, and true worship.” First relationships are the most important thing in this group. They do everything together, because Mike’s teaching is like communism. Second is unity, which in their minds is that everyone “MUST” agree that Mike & the leaders are equivalent to Martin Luther in some degree. If you do not do this you will be kicked out, trust me! Finally, true worship is sited just so they will seem Christian. They real Jesus is not in their midst like Mike proclaims. The real Jesus is grieved by the evil they do in His name. | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 87 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Sorry for the double post. Fact net is kind of buggy. I have been thinking again… If Mike is not a writer but he can write a book that is compared to the protestant reformation, then anyone with a pen and paper can write such a book. Look for my up coming how-to titles in your local Christian book store. "How to quit going to Church and join a CULT in 10 days" By I. M. Rite "How to make the Bible say what YOU want" By U. R. Dum | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.197.95.220 |
Well I don't know what to say except that I wish to warn anyone in this "church", thinking of joining this "church" or in contact with anyone from this "church": STAY AWAY. Get out, run away, as quickly as you can. My family was involved with this group for about 5-6 years, and I cannot even begin to tell you the damage it did to my family. There were days when I thought we would never make it, but by the grace of God we pulled through. My heart goes out to everyone still there...they do not know that there is a life on the other side; a life full of joy and freedom and peace instead of legalism and bondage and fear. In this group they teach you to be afraid of the world outside of this group...they teach to "be in the world but not of it", yet with a perverted twist on this simple scripture. There is an emphasis on NOT doing wrong..instead of just living to please God. Everything is about sin, sin, sin....you are in a constant state of confessing every little sin(not to say that any sin is little or to be taken lightly.) But even a bad attitude would require a public confession, when really you could just get on your knees before Christ and ask him to forgive the attitude of your heart. Not only do they constantly warn you about sin, but they are constantly looking for ways to prevent sin...creating trouble where there needn't be any. Example: As the oldest of several children, I, as a nine year old, was no longer permitted to swim with my brothers because they didn't want us to have any impure thoughts about each other. HOW SICK IS THAT???? I am sorry. I don't even know if it is right for me to posting here...I just know that this group needs to be spoken out against. My heart ACHES for the friends I had in that group; because I know that they don't even KNOW what they are missing!! They have grown up with those teachings as a way of life; they will always see Jesus is someone who condemns them constantly...not as someone full of GRACE and LOVE!! This grace is by no means an excuse to do wrong. And I am by no means perfect. But the constant fear of the outside world and of Satan, the constant confessing of sins, the total control of the people by the group leaders...it is not Spiritually HEALTHY!! It's OK to spend time alone with yourself and your GOD!! It's OK for God to reveal something to YOU PERSONALLY, and not just through the group leaders. I don't even know what I'm trying to say anymore...except that I just wish there was a way to rescue everyone from the grip of MIKE PETERS!! I AM NOT AFRAID OF THIS MAN. There is something WRONG there... Well. Thank you for taking the time to read what I have to say. I only wish that there was more that I could do. I only wish that everyone could be set FREE. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 272 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Wow! Could anything be more clear? You have said things so well, skeza2505, and thanks for doing so. Rest assured you and others are being prayed for constantly. My husband and I feel deep compassion for you and are thankful that God led you to this and that you have posted here. If you want to talk, email me at joythruChrist@gmail.com How many dear folks who see this group's deception does this make now? There is freedom in Christ on the other side. Jen PS - Sorry for all the edits, but I keep fouling up my email address. Blonde moments: hmpf! (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 05, 2006) (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 05, 2006) (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 05, 2006) | ||
| gottapost2 Junior Member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 149.9.0.59 |
skeza2505, thanks for posting that. Very well said. Like Jen, we're praying for yous guys and a bunch more in Indy. Sounds like you were a little kid when you were ran aground in Indy. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
Yeah, my family was involved in this group from when I was six to when I was almost thirteen. It took us a really long time to get back to a stable point...Thank God our family is still intact, my parents still happily married(although it took them a while to get back to that point due to the damage that was caused while we were there), and we are stronger than ever. I just really have a strong desire to see the people there released from the grip of that group. | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 88 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 82.103.134.254 |
skeza2505, May God bless you and your family. Thank you for posting this. God must have worked powerfully to get your family out of there. Were you kicked out, or did your folks just leave on their own? | ||
| gottapost2 Junior Member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 82.103.134.254 |
Danrepent, Not many leave on their own... if they do, they get a nudge from a steel-toe boot on the way out. Oh, you were taking to Skeza... sorry to interrupt. Add to dr's question: After your family departed, were there accusations (maybe exaggerated) or slander against your family? gottapost@dodgeit.com | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
We were actually kicked out twice. The first time, my parents were desperate to "correct their sins" so that they could go be a part of "God's people" again. During that time we became involved in a Calvary Chapel and the pastor and his wife tried to convince my parents that they were involved in a cult, but they didn't want to hear it...there's just such a strong hold that this people have on you. I mean they were devastated at being kicked out, because there is such a strong belief that if you don't belong to this group, you're not really a Christian. Of course they are very careful about how they word things so that you won't ever be able to go back and say "Hey, they said this"...but it's more of an implied feeling. After about a year of being out of the group but still in close contact, they allowed us "back in". The second time we were kicked out again only after about six months back, and they said that my parents were just not "spiritual enough". But at this time my parents had started to ask questions..they were no longer fully "submissive" anyway...and from there they admitted it was a cult and we started looking for other churches and the healing process began. There was slander of sorts...such as when people were asked why we left it was because of "unresolved sin" and such things. We were no longer allowed ANY contact with anyone in the group(as a kid I had been writing letters to all of my young friends from there, and we were not longer permitted to be pen pals or friends of any kind). It was just crazy. It permeates the kids too...don't think for a minute that it doesn't! They mimic the actions of the parents...I remember there was this time where a friend of mine got this really cool doll and I was like "Wow, that's a really cool doll"...and one of my little friends looked at me and said "Hey, you really need to not be jealous. I think you need to ask God to forgive you." Anyway that's a little off the subject... | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 89 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.199.236.141 |
Skeza, I think that you are on the right subject actually. As a kid, what was it like to be isolated from the real world? Do the children pick up that they live in a Mike Peters created realm? | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
Actually that's kind of funny because I think as a young kid I always realized that something was different...like I kind of knew that I had to pretend to be really spiritual if I wanted to be accepted. I never fully realized that there was a "real world"...although they do instill this intense fear of the outside world in you. I remember the first time we were kicked out and my parents talked about looking for a church...my brothers and I were terrified because "church was bad"...stuff like that. But I do remember even as a kid I got a bad feeling from Mike Peters...there was this one instance where I was walking from the car on the sidewalk on the way to our apartment. I passed Mike Peters and he looked at me with this creepy(almost dilusional) smile and reached his hand out to me. Tentatively, I reached mine out to him and he squeezed it and kept walking. I remember even though I was only like 10 I was totally creeped out! It was hard to put into words...but it was almost like in some weird way, he thought he was Jesus! I mean he would never ever say that...but it was a "let the little children come to me" kind of moment. I don't know, it's just really hard to explain. But I do remember that even the kids kind of idolize Mike Peters...even the kids know that they aren't to go against his words. His word just always goes. It's unquestioned. And they discipline kids constantly. It's INSANE. For EVERY LITTLE THING. There were days when we'd get spanked like every ten minutes...not because my mom wanted to but because she felt that she had to in order to not get judged by all the other moms. It's really out of control...the focus on the negative. They took me and my siblings to stay with them for a few weeks(during the first time we were kicked out) so that my parents could take care of some things(even though my mom was against it, she was just too scared of them to tell them not to take us). Anyway, during our time there, my little sister was apparently being "disobedient" and "obstinate"(she was three, ok)...and she ended up getting spanked for pretty close to an house straight. When we went back home, her rear end was BLACK. Literally. My mom was so angry and disheartened...but when she said something they told her "You really need to work on your daughter's heart because she is really an obstinate and rebellious child." As apparent here, they really believe in disciplining each other's children; if you babysit someone else's child you automatically have the right to spank them yourself, for whatever you feel deserves a spanking. I could go on and on! There is just SO MUCH. | ||
| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 283 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.64.146.163 |
Are your parents aware of this forum? | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
They are. My mom was actually the one who found this site and sent me the link. Why do you ask? | ||
| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 285 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.64.146.163 |
Just curious... | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 273 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Hi skeza, did you check your mail? Jen | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
I actually have to wait until I get home because my work e-mail is different from my home e-mail and I can't access yahoo from work(it's blocked). But I'll be checking it soon! | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 274 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Good, looking forward to talking some more! | ||
| gottapost2 Junior Member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 31 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 81.169.183.122 |
Mike Peter's worst nightmare can be summed in 3 words: Child Protective Services (CPS). I bet Skeza (and other former members) can confirm this. I believe the reason some families are sent away, is because when the marriages are on the rocks Mike Peters doesn't want a disgruntled spouse saying "cult" and "child abuse" to a judge who could order an investigation. The CPS fear will be discussed more later. Skeza was right on target with Mike's "creepy" "looking into your eyes" description. Mike believes he can look into your soul to discern your inmost thought. I wonder if MP's now wishing he would have never sent those secret emails. BTW, those emails may not have been posted if ChrisO hadn't been so adamant they didn't exist. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 275 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Hey, that's right! And I wouldn't have been inspired to write this if it wasn't for ChrisO! Jen http://tobysthoughts-jtc.blogspot.com/2006/11/our-story-how-we-really-got-involved.html | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 90 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 217.20.112.191 |
ChrisO has almost totally blown Mike Peters' cover by his ignorance and warped mind. I am still surprised that Mike let this person speak for him. He seems mentally unstable and has also no direct information about them. ChrisO's tongue has brought Mike down!!! Mike should have stopped him earlier this year. I bet Chris has a gag order since he is the one that provoked us to post those emails. Now ChrisO is no where to be seen, afraid and shaking from the truth revealed. If he had a clue he would not defend a cult leader. You know light will scare the roaches away and we have a lot of light on factnet, but we do not have too many roaches anymore. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
Well, I'm just glad that there are other people out there who see them for what they are, and are fighting to have that recognized as a fact. I wish there was some way to get information directly to the members... | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 91 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 204.13.236.244 |
From what others said before, all email and internet is filtered through Mike Peters and his men. Members are isolated from this stuff. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
It is. He is very "protective" of what people see, hear, read, etc. | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 92 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 85.214.66.61 |
Facnet was on tv this week. There is a cult called the Jesus Christians. They believe they are they only real christians in the world. They cut ties with family and are control by one man. http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesuschristians/jesuschristians1.html Doesn't this picture look like Mike... http://www.rickross.com/groups/jesuschristians.html | ||
| gottapost2 Junior Member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 82.247.153.205 |
Mike Peters is on the record saying he will spank other's children in rare circumstances. In light of Skeza's remarks, this quote weirded me: "Some little girls are not too old for me to pick up and hold on my lap." Why did he single out "little girls"? Is it right for a 50 year old man to be holding "little girls" on his lap that aren't his children? Tell me if I'm wrong. Here is the context plus other quotes below: yourkingdomcome.com/lovingthoselittlelambs.htm "Is there a time when, for me as a mother, to stop spanking my older son (twelve years old) and hand it over to my husband, as long as the respect on my son's part is there? My gut reaction is that you will know when that time comes. Some little girls are not too old for me to pick up and hold on my lap. But I know that there comes a time when that is just not right any more. It is entirely possible that the time is coming when you turn your son's discipline over to your husband, or you exercise discipline in some other way." Here are the other quotes on spanking. yourkingdom.com/childrelated.htm "it still would virtually never happen that I would just grab the hand of someone's child that is maybe being disrespectful -- and walk them off to the woodshed to give them a spanking. Not happening! -- Except in the rarest of circumstances" "Even though I'm very responsible for that child, as I have a hundred fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters" yourkingdomcome.com/disciplineforchildren.htm "another child can take countless spankings " yourkingdomcome.com/familysong.htm "Abba who loves and spanks" yourkingdomcome.com/lovingthoselittlelambs.htm "They should be made to see their own sinful natures" ... as you "rise up and sit down and walk along the way," "and laugh or spank or tickle" yourkingdomcome.com/raisingchildrenforthekingpart1.htm "my daughter was interrupting ... She should have been spanked, but I literally took that spanking for her. As bizarre as that sounds" "I don't know if I've ever spanked another child in the church here. I might have, but I can't remember doing it. That wouldn't even necessarily be wrong" yourkingdomcome.com/adviceaboutmychild.htm "if we start whining and fussing and demanding, we can expect some hearty discipline" "if he throws a fit and cries in an angry way or falls to the ground, he probably needs to be disciplined. " yourkingdomcome.com/allaffection.htm - Again, withholding affection is a discipline tool "This [withholding affectin] is a tool in God's toolbox in order to wake someone up" yourkingdomcome.com/childraising.htm "First, we need to discipline our children not only for acts of disobedience, but also for bad attitudes... they need to be disciplined for it" "When they sow bad seeds (make bad choices, have bad attitudes, disobey) they need to reap a bad harvest (discipline)" This is just a sampling of quotes. Gathering of quotes is tiring. These documets show how detailed the rules are for behaviour in CII. I agree with spanking ... if it's your own children. But if there are black bruises -- especially on someone else's child", then you need some serious help and your children are better off in foster care. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
"If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. (John 8:31-32)" I find it genuinely ironic that this is the verse quoted on the home page of yourkingdomcome.com!! Anyway those are very interesting quotes gottapost...and just a taste of how things are there. I love this one: yourkingdom.com/childrelated.htm "it still would virtually never happen that I would just grab the hand of someone's child that is maybe being disrespectful -- and walk them off to the woodshed to give them a spanking. Not happening! -- Except in the rarest of circumstances" That is just hilarious to me, because he so adamently says "That would NEVER happen...only sometimes!" Just another example of Mike's double talk. And the funny thing is, the spanking of other people's children happens ALL THE TIME...although perhaps Mike Peters is not the one directly involved. But he definitely condones it. Oh, listen to this: http://yourkingdomcome.com/childraising.htm "Disciplining the children deals only with correcting the negative things that the child has done. The other half of child raising has to do with encouraging all of the positive things that they do and showing them a great deal of affection and reflecting the character of Christ in your life. When your daughter obeys you, be sure to get excited about it and hug her and tell her how happy you are that she obeyed." It sounds beautiful here and is of course wonderful and sound advice. But, it doesn't happen. It is very rare that a parent gets excited because their child has done something right. In fact...it's very rare for anyone to get excited at all. http://yourkingdomcome.com/raisingchildren.htm "An interesting and crucial point to pick up on, is, that some children hide their sinful nature better than others: "some sins go before" (1 Tim 5:24), some "lag behind" if you will. With some children, our first response is to say, "What an angel!" With others it's more like, "What a terrible, angry, sinful child!" The truth is that there's no difference and we need to get that very straight because all of their hearts are alien and foreign to God. Some children are better manipulators, some children have a mindset that's sharper and more able to hide and mask and to modify their behavior to please, externally, but their hearts are still far from Him." I think it's pretty obvious how twisted this one is. The fact that they look at the children as sinners(which we all are)...BUT...that is where emphasis is. For everything they do. This quote in particular makes me sick because...my understanding of it is, don't all children belong to God automatically?? It just sounds really warped and twisted and overexaggerated to me. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
http://yourkingdomcome.com/romance.htm I don't know if any of you have read this page or not but it just makes me really sad. I went through a time in my life(after we were out of the group) where I confessed to my mom every time I thought a boy was cute. Isn't that just a natural part of growing up? And yet they make it seem like something so impure and terrible... | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 181 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
GottaPuke vilely pukes: "Some little girls are not too old for me to pick up and hold on my lap." Why did he single out "little girls"? Is it right for a 50 year old man to be holding "little girls" on his lap that aren't his children? Tell me if I'm wrong. Okay... I'll tell you. YOU ARE WRONG. You are also VILE, PREVERTED, WICKED, EVIL and as DISGUSTING a creature as anyone I know for your vile, satanic preverted way of slanting, painting and insinuating about Mike Peters. And you'll likely one day, unless you change very, very drastically, be vying along with Jen Elslager and Tim Dennis for the deepest, hottest and darkest part of hell for the way you arrogant and maliciously conduct yourself. But that's YOUR business. Meanwhile, you know GOOD AND WELL that WHAT Mike was in fact stating is that there comes a time, when it's imappropriate for a man to have a girl on his lap because she isn't a "little girl" any more, and vice versa for a woman. Now you, dark snake, KNOW that that's what he meant and ONLY what he meant. But yet you choose to continue to come here and prevert yourself and the Truth like this, pulling up single sentences completely out of context and using them for your own evil plying and diabolical ends!! I tell you once again, that He WILL come in is mighty wrath one day and you WILL BE CUT DOWN BY THE SWORD OF HIS WRATH for what you have done and are continuing to do (and it cannot be too soon as far as I am concerned.) You will NOT be able to stand before Him and say someone didn't warn you MULTIPLE times of this, GottaPuke. And a CURSE on you and all those with you. I KNOW WHO YOU ARE -- ALL OF YOU despite the KKK white masks in here (and most of you based on your arrogant, vile, preverted spiritual fingerprints alone). And no one else on the internet, reading this, knows of all the MULTIPLE (Dennis), filthy, perverted, sexual, ridculous, hellish sins of pornography, impurities, sex, violence, anger, rage, divorce, child abuse, forgery, role playing, and other list of sins a mile long you all have been involved in. Both in the past as well as NOW. No place is too low for you to stoop down to, including pulling children and young adults such as Skeza2505 (LM) into you evil clutches and claws!!! You will all be paid out in kind one Day. Mike Peters never meant anything close to what you are insinuating, and you know it. You are as disgusting and you are preverted. ChrisO | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 276 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Interestingly enough Chris, I was just discussing with Denny earlier today, and getting ready to post that I didn't think that comment applied here and that supposition really shouldn't happen with that statement. But again, you didn't give me a chance to speak before stating that I will fry in hell... Interesting. Jen | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
"And no one else on the internet, reading this, knows of all the MULTIPLE (Dennis), filthy, perverted, sexual, ridculous, hellish sins of pornography, impurities, sex, violence, anger, rage, divorce, child abuse, forgery, role playing, and other list of sins a mile long you all have been involved in."--wirklichmir That's because no one NEEDS to know. Those sins have all been forgiven by GOD--the only ONE who can forgive--a LONG time ago, and it's too bad that some people feel the need to constantly continue to throw the sins of others back in there face. And nobody dragged me in here. I found this place on my own. AND I will continue to warn as many people as I possibly can about the CULT that you are associated with. (and by the way, that was cute how you so "subtly" revealed that you know who I am). As I've said before, I am NOT afraid of Mike Peters or any one of his followers. May God bless you...and I do hope and pray that one day you will see the light. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 277 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
My teenage son just asked me after reading this, "Does he have any friends? He needs friends..." (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 07, 2006) | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 278 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Now let me clarify what I meant. Here’s my opinion, since I know everyone’s just dying to hear it.  At first glance, so many of these comments --the one's posted above by gottapost-- are quite innocuous in themselves, and some of them I would even tend to agree with. I would have to read them all in context to really try to understand what he means, of course. But the problem comes like with so many things written by Peters and others from Indy who place them on allathisfeet. What is written, and what is practiced are often two very different things. As far as the question about Peters holding a little girl on his lap? What I was going to say is that unless there is some absolute proof of something "not right" there, maybe we shouldn't even speculate? What I mean is that when my children were little, they sat on certain men's laps that I knew and I never thought anything of it. But these were men I knew, not some strange men. If the comment in context is about a child sitting of the lap of a trusted friend of the parents, why question it? I'm far more concerned about skeza's story of people other than the parents spanking children. And the extent of the spanking. I believe in spanking, but not beating. I allowed certain people to spank my children, such as my parents and my best friend, but not just everyone who watched my children. And there are more inventive ways of discipline that can get a child's attention. Anyway, since I'm (apparently) off to hell in a handbasket, maybe no one care what I'm saying here?  Jen BTW, Chris, it is amazing how you can take a simple question from a concerned individual and expode it into some serious insinuation and a heinous sinful act. I hardly think gottapost was implying what you say he is implying to the extent you are implying it! (hmpf, figure that one out!) (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 07, 2006) (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 07, 2006) | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Hi everyone! It's just me, Jen. I signed up to post with a new user name so that *certain* folks might stop whining about the number of speakingtruth posts. Jen | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 63.245.102.104 |
Dear Lisa, You are remembered by many as being sweet and seeking Jesus. It's seems very out of character to those who knew you, both young and old, that you would take up with such sordid characters here (those with mental illness, prostitution, divorce advocates, pornography and dungeons and dragons, anger and rage, abusing their children and wives, drugs, homosexuality, and the like that these guys do), and if you followed them home, you'd see that you don't want to be like them at all. As for "not writing" -- the memory those you corresponded with is that you all wrote back and forth for awhile, and then it gradually stopped, as things often do, and that you owed them the last letter. (smile) You were the last one "not to write" and they were hurt because you stopped writing. The "it's just crazy" remark about how you weren't allowed to correspond with your friends is dishonest. You not only DID do so, but you were the one to stop writing, according to them. And they were surprised! As for mike being kind to you, be very careful about accusing people with mystical accusations, who never did a thing to harm you, and were just being kind to you, and no doubt have continued to pray for you. That is very unfair to slander someone who cared for you and your family, even after the kinds of things that went on in Michigan and then Indianapolis and Louisville and the out west, and still cares for you all. That is very unkind. As for the disfellowship, you only lived in Indianapolis for four years, and even after your parents were disfellowshipped (for very good reason which you had no need of hearing about), your PARENTS chose to keep in touch with those in Indianapolis and call and write and "connect" even from Calvary Chapel in another city. The relationship was fine, even after they were disfellowshipped, as proven by the fact that your parents wanted to stay in touch, and even "connect" those at Calvary Chapel with the Saints in Indianapolis. Further proof that your parents loved and respected those in Indianapolis, is that they ASKED to have you children in Indianapolis from Louisville during the birth of your sibling. It was their request, and no one would ever do such a thing if they didn't love and trust those in Indianapolis. That would be ridiculous and impossible. But they did, and ASKED to do so. As for the spanking of your sibling, your mom ASKED those she had watching your sister to be sure and spank her if she needed it, AND the two ladies who were watching her at the time in question WERE ON THE PHONE WITH YOUR MOM ABOUT IT, with your mom's full involvement every step of the way. Your mom ASKED them to spank her, and was totally involved in the entire thing. Did you know that and not say it in order to create a negative and deceitful impression, or did your mom just not tell you that? | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 18 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 63.245.102.104 |
Also, the accusation about "anyone spanking anyone's children" was actually asked publicly in 1991. It does come into play whether or not a child ought to be disciplined by others, since unlike the world and religious world where no one can even find a "babysitter" -- there are "a hundred mothers, brothers, sisters" as Jesus said ought to be, in the church in indianapolis. If the parents take a trip to see biological relatives or a business trip and don't take all of the children, there are a hundred different adults they would gladly leave their children with, which is unheard of in the Laodicean world, of course. So, it's a factor. Do you want to know, though, how "disciplining others' children" is really viewed, proven on tape? It's not at all like what you said, Lisa -- so we'll just hope you just couldn't have known since you were so young, and you are only hearing from others. But a link will be posted shortly that contains the actual answer to the question about disciplining others' children way back in 1991! And it has always been this way, all the way back to 1991, and ever since. It's just not what you were told AT ALL, so that needs to be corrected in your perception. And after Calvary Chapel, you were with other folks out west who had been disfellowshipped, and you weren't in Indianapolis at all when they too disfellowshipped your parents. That wasn't your fault. And, again, it was misrepresenting the truth to say you were back in Indianapolis, since your experience in the west was amongst those who were disfellowshipped already, and yet still loved the folks in Indianapolis. Your primary "pen pal" after your family was asked to leave there, by the way, is doing fabulously Spiritually and speaks kindly of her memories of you. Thought you'd want to know. As for what they are missing, look at the videos on http://www.allathisfeet.com/medley/index.html and you'll see they are doing wonderfully and of course would be very pleased if you had the same Quality of Life and Freedom that they have. Look at the videos, and see if you see even the slightest lack of Freedom or Love or Life. Daily life of Acts 2:42-47 life is too rare, but we do hope you have it too. No one is "controlled" and no one "talks about sin all the time" and no one is ever "forced to confess" anything or bullied in any way. That simply isn't true, though maybe you've been told all of that by those who were disfellowshipped for reasons they wouldn't tell you about. Remember the descriptions at the beginning of this posting of those who are trying to "win you over" with flattery and fake sympathy, in order to use you for their purposes. As for "the only ones saved" -- that is just old and worn out, and clearly another lie. Those in Indianapolis are in constant contact with folks in every denomination and over 100 countries, and no one has ever heard anything or read anything or even "felt" anything to question their salvation based on "what church" they are a part of. It is clear in a hundred provable ways, documented a thousand times over, that it is only by the BLOOD OF JESUS that anyone can be saved. | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 93 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Sigh, Why is it that you indy folks have to type out the chronicles of ex-members lives? You are perceiving it your own way, and it isn't the truth. Let's talk about who you are instead of posting skeza2505’s name publicly. You still have a bag over your head too. Who are you sigh? What are you afraid of? For the record skeza2505 did not consult with any of us. She posted on her own accord. You all think we are joining forces against you. You are wrong, God is against you and we stand with HIM. | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.192.78.89 |
If there is an "issue" it is only this: that Jesus said "If you really love Me, you WILL obey Me" and "MANY will say to be on that Day... we were Christians! And I said to them 'I never knew you - -you did not obey My Father." Many claim to be Christians (80% of americans, for example) who Jesus said most certainly are not, because they have no desire to obey simple Commands in the Bible. Read 1John chapters 1 and 3, and you will see what "we" believe about the Holy Spirit's evidence of Conversion. Nothing less, nothing more. No "group" or "church" can save anyone, and that is documented more times than can be counted in daily correspondence, phone calls, relationships far and wide, and twenty years of transcripts on the AllAtHIsFeet.com website. It is an proven untrue accusation, and those who have known us for twenty-five years, in various cities, even seminary professors and mega-pastors who we have relationships with with laugh at such an accusation that they are standing proof must not be true. Anyway, back to the point. You were loved and cared for, and your parents trusted and loved those in Indianapolis enough to send you, of their own free will and idea, to be cared for during a birth in Louisville. Your mom was TOTALLY involved in every step of how youre sister was disciplined while she was in indianapolis -- it was HER request and under her guidance by phone. No one would have done otherwise. Listen the the audio link and you'll KNOW that no one advocated random spankings of others' children. It is absurd and has never been done, even as close as everyone IS on a daily basis (which is unlike the "attendance based" world you are used to now, of course). As for the disfellowships, your parents were having issues in Michigan, disfellowshipped in Indianapolis for very important Reasons, had issues and wars again in Louisville, were disfellowshipped by others in the west, and STILL wanted relationships and trusted folks in Indianapolis enough to be communicating from Louisville and asking for childcare. Lisa, the picture is just not as you have painted it, but you were young and memories change, depending on who we are around and what other things happen in our lives. And you have "moved on" -- and that's great. Stay close to Jesus and be loved. Some friends in Indianapolis | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Sigh, since you have no trouble stating Lisa's name, why don't you finally tell us at least your first name? Wouldn't that be "fair"? Can't you be courageous enough to do that, if you're courageous enough to write drivel like this? ...take up with such sordid characters here (those with mental illness, prostitution, divorce advocates, pornography and dungeons and dragons, anger and rage, abusing their children and wives, drugs, homosexuality, and the like that these guys do), and if you followed them home, you'd see that you don't want to be like them at all. I truly would like to know why in the world you think you have cause to state things like this about people you don't even know and have no contact in their lives? How do you know how anyone on this board is living currently? Methinks you assume to much... Which is a major cult tactic, I might add. Jen | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Sigh, Nice cut and paste post from Mike & Friends. Is Mike that much of a coward that he can not face the damage he caused himself (false teaching)? Were you born yesterday? Did you not see the emails that Mike sent to women in distress? Open your eyes, sigh! And then please answer our questions about who you are. | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
I was thinking that sounded distinctly like Mike... but then don't they all? And sigh, one more thing. From all I have seen from skeza, she is far more level headed and mature than to fall for these mind games you are playing. Jen (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 07, 2006) | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 279 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Chris, you didn’t surprise us. Those of us who have known you here for a while now on FACTNet have come to expect this from you. Many are looking over the BIG hOle you have dug for yourself over the past few months and we are very concerned for you and your state of mind. I sincerely mean this, Chris. We really have been wondering why you say so many contradictive things here as we have stated so many times--which is probably clear to all objectively and thoughtfully reading-- regarding your comments here and elsewhere. If we can call them comments. I’m thinking that even those who do not have the gift of salvation yet could see your undeniable errors as they may not need the Holy Spirit to see some of what you are clearly doing. Do you REALLY believe you are helping the cause of Mike Peters and his following? I am shocked by your ignorance here. Wake up Chris! People are not as dumb as you seem to think--or may at least hope--they are. You are seen as an apparently intelligent person for the career you hold. Are your emotions so much stronger than your intellect that you just can’t control or think through what you are saying? Are you so in love with this idolatry of the Mike Peters way that you’ve lost your senses and self-control? You really are a good example of the type of person this doctrine of Mike Peters can produce. The perfect poster-child. And the funny thing about me saying this is that I’m thinking you may be feeling pretty proud about it all. Will you look over and consider what you have done and are doing before it’s so bad that you can’t take it any more and have so much regret? I’m hoping you are smarter than this and praying that God will grant you mercy to see what’s really been going on with all your expressions here. Please don’t dig this hole any deeper, for in all sincere honesty before God I am feeling very embarrassed for you by this time. Sigh said:"Look at the videos, and see if you see even the slightest lack of Freedom or Love or Life." You brought out a great point here for all to see. Yes, many people can see you on videos. Just like when we watch a movie. There they are called "actors". Jesus used the same word as it describes you there "hypocrites"! http://noahlot.blogspot.com/2006/06/modern-day-idolatry-in-mike-peters-way.html | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.197.95.220 |
Dan, First of all, I find it pretty funny that you know so much about me and my family when we didn't even know you that well and you hardly spent any time with us. How do you know exactly what happened with the situation I described when I was pretty vague about the exact situation, and you weren't even involved, in the least?? The people in Indianapolis called my mom in Kentucky when my brother was born and said, "Hey, we have good news! We're taking your children with us so you can take care of the baby." My mom didn't want us to go and I even heard her talking to my dad about it. She allowed us to go because her "love and respect" for the people in Indianapolis was actually an intense fear of what would happen if she did not let us go. AND then, once they were there to pick us up, they told my mom that she had to give them permission to spank us in order for us to go. So it was kind of a catch 22, you know? If she didn't let us go, she'd be going against "God's people". If she didn't give them permission to spank us, she was would be going against "God's people". Since you are so happy to go into the specifics of the situation that happened with my sister, let me delve even deeper. Do you know the reason for why my sister was punished so intensely on the day that we are speaking of? It's because she refused to say, "Yes, Julie." That's it. I WAS THERE. And I had to listen to my sister sceaming(we were at the Campbell's, and I was by the trampoline), all because she wouldn't say, "Yes, Julie." She was THREE!! What three year old is going to give in after that kind of trauma? My mom allowed this to go on, even after they called her(which, they were not continually on the phone with her, it was intermittant and between spankings to inform my mother that my sister still would not yield.) And she did not anticipate that when we returned, my sister's bottom would be black from the "discipline". I was not allowed to have any contact with anyone of my old friends from Indianapolis. I was devastated at not being able to have any contact with them, and I didn't understand why I was being cut off like that. In all of this I have never spoken poorly of Sarah(my primary "pen pal") at all..in fact when I say "My heart goes out to the friends I used to have there" SHE is one of the people that worries my heart most, because we were so close. In either case, I did not realize that the ball was in my court, and for this I am deeply sorry to all of those who feel that I simply just "stopped writing" them. If you are so certain that everyone there is so "free", and that Sarah is doing fabulously spiritually, then please, allow me to write her. Send me her address, and I will write to her and ask her to explain to me how free she is and how wonderful life is for her. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.197.95.220 |
Because of course, if she is doing so well in the Lord, then you would have no problem with having her communicate with me, right? I would love to have contact with Sarah again. She was a wonderful friend and we have very many good memories together. | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 20 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 63.245.102.104 |
I have also become aware just two minutes ago that you and your brothers were involved in some VERY SERIOUS SEXUAL SIN against a young one here. That is most grievous. You have some very very serious repenting to do, as do your brothers. This is VERY VERY DISTURBING. And you had the nerve to post make-believe things, when you and your brothers have such terrible, terrible MULTIPLE crimes (just once you did this, as far as anyone knows, but your brothers' were ONGOING perversions). This is very, very grievous. Do we need a polygraph test from you and your brothers, and the victim to prove it all, if you want to deny it? | ||
| scannyd New member Username: scannyd Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Hey Sigh are you Cherie? And if so would you like a detailed account of your sins from the past listed here for all to see? Think about it Danielle | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.197.95.220 |
Now, I know that I was young, but I was not too young to not notice the effects of being a part of your group had on my family. My parents love Jesus, and strive in every part of their daily lives to become more like him. But the effects of your group nearly tore us apart, and it took the help of a lot of wonderful, loving Christians, and ultimately the love and grace of Jesus Christ, to heal those wounds. I am sorry and very sad to say that the the picture IS exactly how I painted it. I have fabricated and elaborated nothing. I am not slandering, I am only speaking the truth. And you say that everything I am repeating are things I have been told. That is not the truth; these are things that I remember for myself. I thank God for leading me to the people here on factnet...and how would you know anything about my character? And you say, "You were only in Indianapolis for four years". I never said that we were there for longer, I said we were INVOLVED with the group in Indianapolis for 5-6 years...I was six when we moved there, and almost 13 when we were finally, completed excommunicated. Also, next time you run to Mike Peters and the other leaders of your group for inside info on people who are posting on here, try to get the facts straight: your parents were having issues in Michigan, disfellowshipped in Indianapolis for very important Reasons, had issues and wars again in Louisville, were disfellowshipped by others in the west, and STILL wanted relationships and trusted folks in Indianapolis enough to be communicating from Louisville and asking for childcare. The event in Louisville happened BEFORE we went to Phoenix. Once my parents were disfellowshipped by the people in Phoenix, they never wanted contact with any from or involved in Indy again. One more thing before I call it a night, there is INDEED an emphasis on sin and darkness, and staying as far away from it as possible. Which in most circumstances is a commendable thing, especially when done in a healthy and loving manner. But your group is constantly looking for ways to prevent sin, causing problems where there doesn't need to be any. A "for instance" is the example I gave above, where it was deemed that boys and girls were no longer aloud to swim together(whether they were brother or sister or not) so as to prevent any impure thoughts. It was sickening, so full of fear and bondage rather than the grace and love of Jesus Christ. I do hope that God will bless you and your family and everyone in Indiana, Ohio, and Arizona(if there are any still left out there). I do pray that one day you will be set free from the grip of Mike Peters, and that your eyes will be opened and you will see the true grace and love of your Savior, Jesus Christ. May God be with you. Sincerely, Lisa | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 63.245.102.104 |
And "Life is full of casualties" - how dare you arrogant foolish little people making these ridiculous accusations drag in elizabeth and lisa now? When you drag them in to lie for your cause you are only hurting them for your own selfish purposes. Tim is exposed and much more could be said, dennis and mark and the others have plenty that could be said and has not been said. What kind of arrogance is this that thinks they can pick up stones and heave them, spitting and cursing the whole time? Why do you insist on hurting person after person, wives and children and innocents, all for your foolish obsessive deceitful video-vengeance game. Why not just do as was suggested 6 months ago - go get busy trying to help homosexuals you find in the streets or pews, or the drunks or warlocks who are addicted to "warcraft"-- try to help them with Good News, instead of all this evil attack and hate crimes stuff, violating people's constitutional rights to freedom of religion! | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 95 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Now your true colors show sigh. Please repent. | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
You sound a tad upset, sigh. Did we hit a nerve? Truth hurts, doesn't it? When are you people going to get it through your heads that not everyone recruits others to a "cause" like you do? We have asked none of these people to come here; God is drawing them here to help expose the powers of your darkness. On the other hand, I see that you people are recruiting folks to finally go to Amazon to review the "revolutionary book" that has changed all of your lives. Too bad you folks don't really read the Book that will revolutionize a life for real. And it is interesting how you folks say we are drawing disciples to ourselves and that you never recruit people. I've been seeing your links to allathisfeet everywhere on message boards, and there's even one eBay member who puts a link to an Indy site as his comment on every purchase he makes! If this isn't drawing disciple or recruiting, what is it, pray tell? Jen (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 07, 2006) | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.197.95.220 |
You are right. There was indeed "sexual sin" that took place when I was there. I was around 8 or 9, and the individual involved was around 7 or 8. I do not deny it. It was a "game" that me and the other little girl played whenever we spent the night at each other's houses, in which we'd play "boyfriend and girlfriend". I don't feel the need to go into the details, but it was mutual and not something anybody was forced into. AND, you are also wrong about something else: I do not have some "very, very serious repenting to do." There was one evening when I was going to spend the night at her house, and I told my mom that I didn't want to. When she asked me why, I broke into tears and I confessed to her everything that had happened with me and the other individual. Later I confessed to some other adults, and I spent a great deal of time afterwards crying and repenting over the sins I had committed. It took me a long time to feel like I was forgiven for those sins(by a long time, I mean years, before I fully understood that Jesus had washed away those sins and unlike you, HE doesn't even remember them!!) Don't you dare throw things that I repented for a long time ago, over and over, back in my face. 9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do no be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."--1 Corinthians 6:9-11 My brother also confessed and repented, and anything like this would have had to have happened when he was age 4 to age 9. Again, I do not feel that I need to go into ANY of this...I have explained certain things for the sake of those reading, even though I know that I don't need to because we have long since been washed by Christ's blood. | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
How dare you people take some children experimenting and turn it into a "crime"! How can you people live with yourselves? Like she said, she was forgiven long ago! I can't even believe you would have the audacity to bring this up. You continue to prove your perversion of "Acts 2 life" over and over. You should be ashamed and repent of the sins you are CURRENTLY committing, instead of demanding repentance for everyone else's past sins! Jen I've been noticing for a long time that you people are absolutely obsessed with sex. It's truly amazing! It seems to be the "sin" you "expose" and harp about the most! Homosexuality, adultery, lust, pornography... And in your group, spouses are encouraged to withhold it from the spouse who isn't a perfect little Peterite. It's really sick. Don't you see that? Your obsession is making you blind to the sins you are committing. (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 07, 2006) | ||
| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 287 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.106.182.66 |
Sigh you are a sick pup... get some help. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 280 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
This is Denny… I don’t know about any other here, but are we supposed to be scared of their threats to reveal our sins to all here? They seem to be motivated to make these threats each time the light shines on then brighter, like a wild animal just caught in the corner and showing his teeth while saliva drips. I can’t say that I would look forward to this round of reviling in the next chapter of these sins of mine. Most of the book on my sins so far was all new to me. I suppose it makes for an interesting carnal novel for those who have the mind for such, as Mike seems to be adept at this. They have certainly been creative here thus far. Sigh: Your fruit here is really SICK! When you said what you did about this girl’s so-called sins, you forgot that is was hearsay, yet you admitted it through your other words. YOU KNOW NOTHING! And I am fairly confident of your source… Your cult just tried the same trick on this newcomer “Skeza” as you have done throughout this board with me and others. What I confessed in a time of great contrition, you have exploded with all sorts of lies and twisting, also saying I am still doing what your lies speak of. This is revealing your TRUE NATURE--which is very ugly--and as you so fondly say “it is documented” right here on FACTNet and other places for all to beware and be aware of you Mike Peters. We know that in reality we are talking directly to YOU! Not any of your subjects who do all your bidding. I SEE YOU! When this kind of thing happens as has here tonight it is so very clear to the discerning here that YOU ARE BEHIND EVERY BIT OF IT! YOU ARE A VERY SICK MAN MIKE PETERS! YOU COWARD!!! Don’t let your wolves out to do this nasty business when we know it is YOU! There is freedom of religion and then there is FREEDOM FROM RELIGION! People will be freed due to this “DOCUMENT” as they witness what you really are! As was said near the beginning of this thread. ITS OVER MIKE! THE JIG IS UP! YOUR WASHED UP WITH ALL KINDS OF WHITE WASH!!! | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 281 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
I apologize to others that I may have got a bit "hot under the collar". When I see this obvious wickedness and hypocrisy, it stirs my blood. It may have something to do with being related in Spirit and Blood--as I'm washed in--to Jesus for he didn't like this kind of thing either. Thanks for understanding. Denny Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. (Heb 10:19-22) Amen... (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 07, 2006) | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 282 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Our brother in the Lord, Tim Sz has requested that I post this for him. Denny (This is a revised and updated testimony from several months back) My name is Tim Szazynski I was a part of the Indy group for 18yrs along with my wife Cathy. All my children (6) where born and raised there for their entire lives. That’s all they have known till now. On a Sat. evening in August of 2005 while sitting on my deck a man named Bryan Bearden approached me and told me of a meeting with himself and three others. He did not disclose their names (and they remain anonymous to this day) He told me that it was decided that I leave my house, job and the state of Indiana. I appealed to move to Plainfield IN and keep my well paying job with a local builder, this was denied. When asked the reason for my excommunication I was told it was due to unfruitfulness and that a tree that bears no fruit must be cut down. Legally I was not obligated to hand over my house but for the sake of my wife’s sanity I submitted to the verdict. My family of 7 and I were on the streets in less than a week. We moved to Elizabethtown Kentucky, (50 miles south of Louisville) we lived in the same dwelling but did not relate or function as “family” in any way. My wife disdained me and the children duplicated her behavior in detail. Their emotional responses, gestures, even vocabulary were nearly identical. Only in my youngest daughter did I see a struggle to not be hardened toward me. The others seemed completely convinced that I deserved to be treated as I was. On more than one occasion they all stuck their fingers in their ears as I spoke in a questioning way of our former life in Indy. This went on for nearly a year until a friend and trusted believer put me in contact with an elderly brother in California. This brother gave me sound counsel and insights into passages of scripture that I had never seen before. The passages that he expounded had to do with the subject of divorce and remarriage. Revulsion was my first reaction. I argued with strong disagreement initially. I was convinced of my correctness regarding the subject. But gradually over several weeks of prayer, study and phone conversations with entrusted friends in Christ, I came to the conclusion that my wife had dissolved our marriage well over a decade ago. That living “as divorced” while maintaining the outward facade of marriage was not God’s will for me. He had not called me to be a “marriage martyr”, although I was willing to be one if so enabled. A few months ago I initiated the process to legitimize legally the divorce that already was. (I am not gifted enough to explain in writing the process I went through in taking that final step. If you are someone who genuinely would care to know you may call me directly.) | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 283 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Now that I am no longer a slave of men I sense a freedom and joy that is full of glory and inexpressible. Christ is nearer, dearer and more real to me now then at any other time during my 25yrs as a Christian. There may be some residual negative stuff remaining, but I don't believe I have massive scarring. I was in it, but never of it. My complacency and passivity is what kept me “inside” for so long. If I had been as frank and direct as others perhaps I would have gotten “the boot” much earlier. But that isn’t how things played out in God’s scheme for me. What is----is. I choose to view what happened like Joseph did, being fully assured that God has worked this all out for my good. Men are responsible, but God was Sovereign in it all. It is to "Him" that I go, for interpretation and the purpose regarding my ordeal. I am content to have it so. If I can be of any help you may email me at anordinaryguy@bbtel.com or call me anytime, night or day at 270-312-7234. Also feel free to stop in and ask for my section at the E-Town Cracker Barrel. I work part time Fri.-Sun. from 5pm to close. I love meeting new people who know, or who want to know Jesus. | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 182 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
A followup to the lies Lisa is now speading, containing an MP3. And also uncovering the ridiculous assertion that Lisa just "popped in here" of her own accord but in fact was in cahoots with the ringleaders here before "appearing on her own": http://home.comcast.net/~chris.olive/ Likely just all more fuel for the fire, but I'm not too worried about it any more. It WILL all get settled One Day and it won't be that too far away. Later, ChrisO (Message edited by wirklichmir on November 08, 2006) | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Apparently you missed the fact that I posted MY email address after skeza's first post, Chris? That's when she emailed me first. Like I said, you never get the facts straight. I haven't read the entire piece of drivel yet, but I am sure there are more lies there. You're a lousy detective chris, and a liar to boot. http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/25121.html?1162964997#POST354568 (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 08, 2006) | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.197.95.220 |
Chris, that is just hilarious. First of all, my e-mail was on my profile for the first day or two that I was on Factnet. Second of all, JEN posted her e-mail her ON FACTNET for me to see, and it was from there that I then e-mailed her. I had never heard of her or Factnet before I joined. Go and look under my first posting and you will see her e-mail address. Wow. You guys are really shaking in your boots, huh? | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Chris, have you ever considered professional help for this problem of yours?  sarcasm (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 08, 2006) | ||
| freedomofmind New member Username: freedomofmind Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 65.54.98.106 |
Then David said to Gad, "I am in great distress. Let us now fall into the hand of the Lord for His mercies are great, but do not let me fall into the hand of man." "To You, O Lord, I lift up my soul. O my God, in You I trust, Do not let me be ashamed; Do not let my enemies exult over me. Indeed, none of those who wait for You will be ashamed; Those who deal treacherously without cause will be ashamed. Make me know Your ways, O Lord; Teach me Your paths. Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my salvation; For You I wait all the day. Remember, O Lord, Your compassion and Your lovingkindnesses, For they have been from of old. Do not remember the sins of my youth or my transgression; According to Your lovingkindness remember me, For Your goodness sake, O Lord | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
ChrisO's words from his new slander/fun site: No one on this planet at "10 years old" is capable of properly assessing the facts and the "how's" and "why's" of what a parent does or doesn't do, the choices they make, etc. That's true around the world in any culture. It takes, many, many years after "10" to even have a clue what in the world an adult would have had in mind in any given situation even as trite as whether someone needed fries with their children's meal, much less discipline or other weighty issues like that. It's insane (and completely dishonest) to think otherwise. Ms. Jen Elslager, one of the rooks on FactNet, from the looks of her personal blog, would ordinarily completely agree with this statement, but you can BET that in THIS situation, she will not, since, as has already been pointed out time and time again, absolutely NOTHING is too diabolical to stoop down to or ignore or postulate as long as it fits the predetermined end. (Which proves just how pretensious the rest of her "personal blog" is.) MS. Jen Elslager? That’s Mrs, thank you very much Mr Worldly-Wise feminist! Oh, and I don’t know anything about chess, but my 17 year old says that is the second most powerful piece. I had no idea you thought of me as so powerful. If I’m so powerful, why can’t I get you to shut up? I agree that a child is not complete in understanding, but I would certainly remember my sibling getting beat to the point of a black bottom. And don’t forget that skeza can always ask her parents if her memory is correct on things. Don’t think her an idiot; she is far more mature than you are. I haven’t been called names since junior high, and even the meanest kids were nothing compared to you. And you call yourself a Christian? It's certifiably evil that the ringleaders on FactNet would actually prey on the discontent (and obviously now-worldly leanings) of a 21-year-old who provides "testimony" as if she were still "10 years old." There's absolutely no way the recollections of the reasons why anything happened to a "10 year old" in any situation can be considered seriously. And the facts, regardless, are NOT correct. I honestly can’t see where you get that skeza is worldly. I see nothing in her postings that would imply anything but a heart given to Jesus. You simply are wrong about how skeza became involved on FACTnet. The mere fact that you can’t –as usual– get any facts straight, proves that you have no credibility here, Chris. And while I generally don’t like to assume anything, I would guess this stuff you display here is part of why they couldn’t take any more of you in Indy. And your comment about a 10 year old never being taken seriously is the most terrifying statement of all. It's a darn good thing that most people would absolutely listen to a child in regard to child abuse or a lot more of it would be ignored and children would continue to be damaged from it if everyone believed their testimony should be ignored like you do. That sounds incredibly irresponsible to me. We do still pray for you Chris. Call it religiosity if you like, but that is the indisputable fact of it. (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 08, 2006) | ||
| gottapost2 Junior Member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 81.169.178.235 |
People, beware of ChrisO's website. You may want to use a proxy to gaurd yourself if you visit it: https://www.vtunnel.com/ https://www.proxify.com | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 284 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Chris Olive , Your hot air is really empty and void here and on your new link. Do you really believe somewhere in your heart that you are accomplishing something? Please tell me that you are really an atheist trying to play a trick on believers here, because after all you have done it is too obvious how absurd you are and how far you are from the fruit of the Spirit. Your words here are pathetic if not pathological. As the testing comes out about the things you have said about people, you look really bad for facts follow and can be confirmed. I am very confident that you will continue to be known as even worse while time goes and truth is clear to all. What you say as you revile my wife is as off-the-wall as the rest of your hot air. You are one of the most bizarre people I recall encountering in my life yet. This might give you a sense of pride as well, I don't know. If you really insist on going on with this hOle digging, this is your choice of showing the whole world--including those you work for--just how weird and off-the-wall you really can be. I have been sincerely hoping you would stop embarrassing yourself in this but you seem to be driven and it seems you won’t stop until you crash. Is this worth covering up for Mike Peters? Are you really going to continue with this Kamikaze activity until you burn out? I do feel sorry for you and pray for a miracle in your soul. To others, I am sure you all realize Chris Olive really needs our prayers bad. You see how much he keeps begging for them and God has instructed us to pray for this kind of person. God is in control and His Love will prevail. Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. Amen Denny | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
So what's the next Indy book on Amazon? The Peters Driven Church? | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 63.245.102.104 |
And surely with this which you cannot deny ("It's okay - I did this with 'X' too.") And you brothers' illegal and prosecutable sins too - no more accusations from you about swimming immodesty - now obvious with your immorality sins - will be necessary? And the 'doll' bit you KNEW never happened in indianapolis or with anyone who had ever lived in indianapolis, so that too was a lie, wasn't it? You should not have let them entice you into all of this, Lisa. It is addictive sin that you should just stop and get away from before you turn out like them. And your mother did ask for you all to be watched and she did ask for your sister to be disciplined, and she was totally involved in the incident according to every adult and your mom would admit too, and there is taped proof that people don't discipline others' children unless asked and in very rare circumstances. With 20 years and zillions of children, many grown now and successful in business and life - there are a hundred plus raised here that would prove your accounts totally fictitious. Maybe you should be more concerned for things closer to home than what happened 12 years ago. And, perhaps you and your brothers have some illegal and immoral behavior to apologize for rather than attacking others. We can arrange the polygraph or specify the times and places and victims if you want. As was said, life is hard enough without this kind of garbage. Why don't you all do something productive and work on repentance from stuff yourselves, already some of it named in response to the nonsense you've posted, and leave others alone? Just try to get close to Jesus and feed the poor and do some Good instead of these dangerous games you are playing here, which are only hurting more and more people. CPS already visited GottaPast and should have been involved with lisa and her brothers damaging a young one. Ironic you would bring that up. | ||
| scannyd New member Username: scannyd Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Here is a quote from one of Sigh's earlier posts that I found interesting. "And after Calvary Chapel, you were with other folks out west who had been disfellowshipped, and you weren't in Indianapolis at all when they too disfellowshipped your parents." Did you catch that all these people "out West" have been disfellowshipped? So they even have control over their rejects, it is like they have their own leper colony. Just thought it interesting that these people are talking about how much we should help others when they are kicking people out and then telling them where to go. Danielle | ||
| scannyd New member Username: scannyd Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Also Sigh shouldn't you be following the advice of Indy website and not have a bag over your head. It seems hypocritical that you are again preaching all this stuff at us yet you are actively engaging in this and other things that you are accusing us of. Also in a court of law I believe that children are on the stand regularly to testify against a abuser. You are way of base that a 10 year old cannot understand what is happening. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
"And your comment about a 10 year old never being taken seriously is the most terrifying statement of all. It's a darn good thing that most people would absolutely listen to a child in regard to child abuse or a lot more of it would be ignored and children would continue to be damaged from it if everyone believed their testimony should be ignored like you do. That sounds incredibly irresponsible to me." I agree with Jen, Chris. Not only that...but wasn't King David just a child? | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
"Sigh" Ok. Apparently you weren't listening to me before. Let me spell it out for you: I HAVE ALREADY REPENTED FOR THOSE SINS, A LONG LONG TIME AGO. There is absolutely no need to go into it again. And as far as the swimming thing, that was NOT just for me and my brothers, it went for every child in the group. I am not lying, I am not falsifying. And if you are trying to scare me with the threat of a polygraph test even after I told you that I do not deny that there was sin that happened, IT WON'T WORK. You are not getting rid of me, you are not scaring me. I would bet that if I were to take a polygraph test on everyone of YOU, I would find "sins of their youth". How many of YOU have "damaged" a young one? And oh yes I am so certain that if CPS would have been involved in the situation of me and my brothers "damaging a young one"(who I might add is now the same age as I am, and was also just as much involved in the whole thing as I was), they would have laughed at you for trying to prosecute 7, 8, and 9 year olds for these "crimes". The "doll" bit, as you have described it, DID indeed happen. Priscilla K. had gotten an American Girl Doll(Felicity), and I was admiring it and telling Sarah W. that I liked it. She immediately turned to me and said, "Lisa, you need to not be jealous. I think you need to ask God to forgive you." I really think it's sad that you apparently serve a god who keeps a record of all of your sins and then uses them against you later in your life when you are "misbehaving". The God that I serve does not keep a record of sins the have already been repented of, and he commands his followers to follow suit. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
And if posting on here is such an addictive sin, maybe YOU should stop too. Also, those children who are all "now grown successful in business and life"...they're all boys aren't they? Women aren't allowed to work, or even go to college for that matter, are they? And the "taped proof" that you speak of..words are a lot different than actions. It may have been said that "people shouldn't discipline their kids unless asked and in very special circumstances." But that is NOT what happens in practice. And also, that tape was recorded in your group's earlier days; things in the group got progressively worse as time passed. I guess my sister refusing to say, "Yes, Julie", was a pretty darn special circumstance, huh? I am not posting nonsense or garbage. I am only posting the truth. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
"21For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps. 22WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; 23and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;" (1 Peter 2:21-23) NAS. "12and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; 13when we are slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become as the scum of the world, the dregs of all things, even until now." (I Cor. 4:12-13) NAS "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." I Cor. 13:4-7 NAS "11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me." I Cor. 13:11 "Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." II Tim 2:25-26 "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women, what then do You say?" And they were saying this, testing Him, in order that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him. He straightened up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. And when they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman where she was, in the midst. And straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you? And she said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go your way. From now on sin no more." John 8:5-11 } | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 183 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
Written by a 20-year-old in Indianapolis. Literally hundreds more could be written by all of the children there as well as many more that have "moved on": Would it help anyone to tell you the fact that as a child here (from age 5 to 20) I was not EVER spanked by anyone other than my two parents-- none else. And I could be a pretty rebellious stinker for ANYone. The person watching me who was someone other than Mom or Dad might have told me to sit in a chair to think abt what I had done, but they would report what happened to my parents when they returned and I was spanked by one of them-- never by the person who watched me. And I am SURE, if it were true any ol' person here could just spank any disobedient child, I would have been possibly one of the biggest candidates for such a thing… but it never happened. There was only ONE time my parents gave a person permission to spank me when they were leaving for a couple day trip, but it never came up. And Lisa you remember "the girls" here, surely? Five or six of us did a lot of things together in the short time you were here. We all took piano lessons with that Russian teacher with you Lisa, we played together, and did projects with you. Just for your information, every one of us "girls" would say, each ourselves, that we have FLOURISHED here Spiritually and have become young women with a love for and a desire to live for Jesus. We each, at our own time, have chosen to dedicate our lives for Him. Any of us would say we are grateful to be where we are where so many people express a love for Jesus and we can all learn and grow into His likeness together. No one "talks about sin all the time" or "is forced to confess" or does anything negative to children or anyone else, or any of that terrible stuff you say. It does not happen. And I have lived here for fifteen years, and not just ten years ago when I was still little like you and I were at the time. As far as Mike, I see the man quite often and he in NO way has some wierd, freaky-religious, mystical way abt him. For example one can find the guy watching an occational football game with a dozen other people in the room with his diet coke and superbowl food, cheering and booing and laughing and conversing like we all are. He's just WITH us as everyone else is. He has no "high view" of himself and never ever acts like he does. Never in my life (and I've been here in Indy for nearly 15 years-- while you were here long ago and didn't even know him) have I seen him act as you described when he "high-fived" you in passing as a little girl... ChrisO | ||
| wirklichmir Intermediate Member Username: wirklichmir Post Number: 184 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.118.71.69 |
Lisa, You too now, are an adult. You are free to choose whatever you would like to choose be it winking at and flirting with boys and swimming with whomever you like, dressed (or undressed) however you like, etc., or whatever else. All the things here that you've written that you were so "disgusted with" you don't have to worry about any more. You too can choose -- and accept whatever consequences now or eternally that will come from them. It's up to you. Just as... Everyone else here is also free to do. Free to slander and lie and hate and presecute. The sins discussed here on the part of those churches were sins the people here were ACTIVELY involved in when they left, and for many were NEVER repented of. And IF they really HAD or HAVE truly repented of those things, both for you and the others here you've chosen to fall into league with, then that would put them in agreement with those churches and you all wouldn't BE HERE slandering those people and churches who poured out love, affection, money, gifts, friendships, oddles of time, education, and other things on you in ABUNDANCE, now would you? It's up to you... The way is BROAD that leads to destruction and MANY find it. Bye for now... ChrisO | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
Yes Chris, I am an adult. And I do flirt, wink, swim and do whatever I like dressed(or undressed) with my wonderful husband. :-D You are a pervert. Good job brainwashing the children(now adults) there. Too bad that they won't reveal who they are(either for their protection or because it's not real..hmm) And that "short time" I was there pretty much defined the events that happened later in my life. I WILL NOT ALLOW you to diminish that experience in my life, or make it any less important than it was. I DID know Mike Peters, and it's too bad that whoever you are who wrote that response to me is so tight in his grip that you can't see how much bondage you are in. I have a question for you: Did you allow the 20 year old who wrote that letter to view this entire Factnet thread, for herself?? | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
PS: We did take piano with that Russian teacher. The wonderful Russian teacher who we were suddenly not allowed to take piano lessons with anymore because she refused to become a Christian. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
PS: If the 20 year old is who I am thinking she is, she probably didn't get spanked by other people because her mom is one of the "big wigs" of the group...she is one of the "leader moms". Of course nobody would dare to spank her kids, but she did NOT have a problem spanking other people's kids, as she did it several times that I can recall. It's those parents who are farther down in the spiritual "hierarchy" who don't really have much of a say...and if they do they make sure to go along with what they think is right in hopes that they themselves might move up on the "totem pole". | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
(That last comment was speculation. Since I do NOT know who wrote the letter, the above comment cannot be taken as fact. Like I said, it was speculation, and probably has no place here...) | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Sigh said: there is taped proof that people don't discipline others' children unless asked and in very rare circumstances. How is a staged tape with actors any proof of what goes on behind the scenes? Skeza said: I really think it's sad that you apparently serve a god who keeps a record of all of your sins and then uses them against you later in your life when you are "misbehaving". The God that I serve does not keep a record of sins the have already been repented of, and he commands his followers to follow suit. Well said, sister. ChrisO said: And IF they really HAD or HAVE truly repented of those things, both for you and the others here you've chosen to fall into league with, then that would put them in agreement with those churches and you all wouldn't BE HERE slandering those people and churches who poured out love, affection, money, gifts, friendships, oddles of time, education, and other things on you in ABUNDANCE, now would you? Exactly how do you come to the conclusion that the people on this board would be in agreement with these churches if they had repented? The whole point of this fiasco is that they have repented, but these churches state that they are still guilty. So what agreement could there be in this? And frankly, if you and sigh are representatives of the "love, affection, money, gifts, friendships, oddles of time, education, and other things on you in ABUNDANCE,"weeeeellll, can anyone else see what I'm saying here? | ||
| scannyd New member Username: scannyd Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
I sure do Jen. The focus here is way to much on the church and not on Jesus' forgiveness. Isn't He all that matters in your repentance? Danielle | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 285 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Skeza said : “I would bet that if I were to take a polygraph test on everyone of YOU, I would find "sins of their youth". How many of YOU have "damaged" a young one?” This statement is full of so much truth that if acknowledged by Mike Peters and his adherent chief men (or women) they would (if they have an active honest conscience) hide their face in shame for pervertedly accusing others of what they and God know happened somewhere, someway, somehow in THEIR OWN PAST! Only if you are, in all truth, 100% free and clear from all sin in your heart (perfect all the time) can you be free from the assault set up by Mike Peters practice of judgment. Are you without sin of ANY sort? Then you have no place to judge! Is Mike Peters always free from ALL sin? Your cult is so far from understanding and living “The Truth of the Gospel”. Your CULT is SICK and PERVERTED, dwelling on the embellished sins of other--as Mike explains them to you or teaches you how to use sin glasses--so that the level, amount, or severity is magnified to the nth degree. Are you ALL so blinded in this darkness that Mike has produced for you that you can’t SEE this severe ERROR in your belief system. You have been given ample opportunity to acknowledge that YOU and YOUR CULT are taught by MIKE PETERS to have your minds so set on SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN ETC… Did you get the point yet? YOUR WHOLE HEAD IS SICK!!! (Is 1:5-6) FOR IT DOES NOT CONTAIN “THE MIND OF CHRIST” BUT THE MIND OF A VERY CONTROLLING PERSON WHO HAS THE MIND OF ONE WHO HAS TAKEN ON THE “APPEARANCE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS!!!” (2 Cor 11:13-15) Where is “keeping your eyes” on Jesus Christ our Redeemer? Where is the sin that He said He came to “TAKE AWAY”? Why do you PRACTICE fishing and bringing it back up with the growth produced by “the sin-fertile mind of Mike Peters”? Where is the “Mind of Christ” who said before His incarnation “I will remember them no more”? WHERE IS THE GRACE OF GOD?! | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 286 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
I just want to scream at you all to WAKE UP! But I know it is only God who can get through to you… So we pray. I believe there has to be some of you who aren’t blinded by the ambition of controlling others under Mike Peters. You are so LOST in this mindset he has cunningly planted in your thought patterns using God’s Word just like Satan did in the Garden. Also, when Christ our Lord was tempted as the definition goes, He WAS REALLY tempted. Do you really believe you are above deception--you who Mike has so severely deceived and indoctrinated so that he trusts you to see the activity here and otherwise while you know that others, who haven’t been gripped by Mike Peter’s deception strong enough there yet, may actually be able to see the twisting and lies if they witnessed this activity. Keep them quarantined with side blinders on unless or until they prove they have yielded completely to “The mind of Mike Peters”. Is this not the essence of what Mike tells you as he paints it up with choice Scripture to make it “sound or appear” Biblical? Is any one wise among you to the point of using the eyes of your understanding in grace for your own soul without subjecting yourself to Mike’s DARK eyes. For he is your leader (apostle) even when facts and God‘s balanced Word prove him wrong! Oh that someone of you, wise enough to see through this, would come out and tell the truth about this ever increasing deception before it is fully ripe and too late to repent. I leave this in the hope that God is getting through to even just one of you--whom Mike would inevitably tag as a “Judas” in his deceptive controlling ways. Don’t fall for what you have come to learn and see is false, lying guilt. For you know by now just how guilty Mike Peters, in the Truth, really is. We will be there for you who escape his clutches. You will know forgiveness from me and others here on this line of threads about Mike Peters, just as Christ has offered it in the real Truth. We will not hold it against you or over your head at any time for you will know the Love and Grace of God that will set you free and give life to your witness of Christ. Even as you or others there may tear at this offer of grace on our part, it is here. We have not been perfect in all things here on FACTNet, but as you take an honest look before God you will see the contrast of Truth compared to what Mike is doing here and everywhere else through you and the others. May you come to know the Truth and Grace that keeps, transforms, and sets men free. Denny | ||
| freedomofmind New member Username: freedomofmind Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 65.54.154.12 |
HALLELUIA! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! PRAISE BE TO THE GOD OF GLORY! | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 96 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Let's put our thinking caps on. Why is it that these cult members are so upset about factnet? Who cares about a little website called factnet. It is not like converts are going to be searching the internet to see if they are cult. And members would never doubt Mike Peter’s teachings. <sarcasm> The truth will set you free. | ||
| cult_fighter Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 77 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 149.166.19.147 |
It's been a while since I've posted here. Before I do again, I want to say that I'm NOT saying anything negative here about Mike, Dan, or anyone from their groups. On the other hand.... I've GOT to respond to 2 very disturbing things posted by 2 individuals: First, SIGH, it's very sick the way you're attacking Skeza! Just let her tell her story and quit harrassing her! Most weird is your "We can arrange the polygraph" statement. NO, YOU CAN'T!! You're just trying to intimidate her, and you know it. As for our friend Chris Olive: Up on Nov.7 at 5:01pm Chris wrote: "I tell you once again, that He WILL come in is mighty wrath one day and you WILL BE CUT DOWN BY THE SWORD OF HIS WRATH for what you have done and are continuing to do (and it cannot be too soon as far as I am concerned.) You will NOT be able to stand before Him and say someone didn't warn you MULTIPLE times of this, GottaPuke. And a CURSE on you and all those with you." OK, in the above Chris is once again saying that all of his critics (Tim, Jen, Gottapost, etc) are going to Hell. But look at his "it cannot be too soon as far as I am concerned". That means he HOPES and is ANXIOUS FOR his critics to go to Hell. He further, Harry Potter-like, places a curse on his enemies. Hey Chris, why mince words? Just say it: GO TO HELL, TIM! GO TO HELL, JEN! GO TO HELL, GOTTAPOST! That's what you really mean, isn't it, Chris? Funny that you're the same guy who went to pieces when someone used the Freudian word, "anal". | ||
| first_truth New member Username: first_truth Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 82.103.134.254 |
Well said cult_fighter! I was a part of a church where one of the overseers in that church had an accusation brought against him of gross sin. Much effort was put forth to reveal the truth, the accused maintained his innocence. At the end of it all the leadership all agreed with the scriptures that to be in the role as an overseer one must be and remain above reproach. (1 Titus 7) So they had to ask this individual to step down. The church was very supportive, hopeful and loving to this individual and did not malign his integrity in any way. I have huge amounts of respect for the leadership of this particular church. Now Chris, Sigh, anonymous "20-year-old in Indianapolis", Mike P, Dan Z, anyone associated with the Indy group (Columbus, Phoenix, Malawi Africa, Sao Palo Brazil, Australia... Will ANYONE testify that Mike Peters is above reproach and is a worthy overseer? Please answer. first_truth then_freedom@yahoo.com | ||
| first_truth New member Username: first_truth Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.94.63.211 |
I agree whole heatedly with Skeza. I was there for 10 yrs and reading her post was as though I was reading my own. One time I saw about 4 children make the huge mistake of arguing about something while Mike Peters was in ear shod. These children were around the ages of 6-9 yrs old. Mike came over and totally blasted them. I do not remember what he said but the volume of his voice and the tone and his body language said it all. The children looked as if they were waiting for their sentencing. As for spanking other people’s children, I saw it first hand. It is as Skeza said though slightly more complex. When it does happen it is usually based on relationship with the child and the child's parents. And yes Skeza is right when she speaks of hierarchy or I like to call it a caste system that the high up leader moms would not have their kids spanked by another person lower on the caste. When you are down in the caste system you have NO voice. If you disagree with a higher up you are met with quick swift action of several people coming against you. What is so bad about that?? Well in the context of the group you adopt as reality that "THIS IS THE REAL TRUE GENUINE CHURCH!" that if you blow it and are kicked out because you don't "fit in" or you are in disagreement you are as good as dead and you become an enemy of God. Thus people live in fear. People deal with this fear by moving your way up in the caste system. A common method used (in society in general) is by reporting up anything questionable (by Indy standards) seen or heard by someone on the same level or lower level as you. When you do this you start to move up the ranks and thus are not as likely to be picked on or held in low esteem. So people are always having these secret conversations about what happened today with so & so and yes this would include wife’s reporting on their husbands and vise - versa. On the subject of spanking, from a reliable source I learned of one case where a higher up grabbed his son a 12-18 month old baby by the hand and proceeded to wack his son for something “bad” he did. He hit him about four times over his hip area so hard that his son was being lifted off of the ground and thrown by about 3 feet each time in front of a living room full of people. Now I know this guy very well and I have seen him do similar things before with his other children so this does not surprise me. As I recall all that I have witnessed from the past when I was there, I am ashamed that I did not have enough fortitude to stand up for what is right. God please forgive me! Please save the children! To the dear people associated with Indy--- traditionally anything spoken or written NOT positive about Indy or Mike Peters will be viewed as “mean, hurtful, vile, evil, slanderous etc”. This is not my intent nor should it be anyone’s but only to draw out what so many of us see as a “blind spot”. So all we want to do is say, “hey, you can’t see it but there are real strong cultic red flags waiving all over the place”. Now I now that hearing the “C” word makes you all defensive, it did for me too when I was there, but what else are we to say? The abuse of power or authority, manipulation, usurping of authority in other families, double standards for those at the top, nit picking on others to “get ahead”, cutting off relationships on the “outside”. These are all very serious problems that spell CULT. I am sorry but that IS the truth. Will you please give an HONEST look inside your hearts and ask God to show you if it is true? Please? first_truth then_freedom@yahoo.com | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Please save the children! I am in tears for the little ones being beaten in the name of Jesus... joythruchrist@gmail.com (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 09, 2006) | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Chris Olive says on his slander site: Corporal punishment is a biblical mandate. However, I also know that great efforts were made in Indianapolis -- greater effort than anything I have ever read anywhere else by so-called "child experts" (like Dobson, Spock, etc.) -- to find ways of administering corporal punishment WITHOUT leaving marks. I ask you, why in the world would such a concerted effort need to be made to "find ways" to not leave marks? This would certainly imply that children are being spanked much harder than is necessary. joythruchrist@gmail.com | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 287 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Thank you, FirstTruth for sharing more of your experience of this misguided group of people. I want to speak to those of you who are watching this “revelation of Mike Peters” and have been a part of this group before but have not found it in you yet to speak out here or communicate with those of us who know what you are going through. As you can see here, you are not alone in this. God has far from forsaken you and He has provided varying ways for you to see this online. You can study and test those of us who have renounced Mike Peters and his practices. You may see all that we have testified to as well as what we have done regarding this matter with the Indy group and other branches. If it seems good to you and you have the confidence in the Lord, feel free to share it with any of us as you are led to. We are in prayer about this matter often. We pray for those more humble and naïve of the group who are being taken advantage of by the arrogant, ambitious, and selfish leaders. We pray for the leaders also that they would realize by the grace of God how much they offend Christ our Lord in their hypocrisies and blatant lies as they sear their conscience and accept the deceptive mindset that this is how Christ conducts His Church and everyone else is wrong. I am having a difficult time grasping how it is that they can do these things and then falsely and zealously accuse us of it seemingly without a conscience. It is for show, I would think, so that those unaware may yet believe the lies and fall for their trap so that they may control more peoples lives. But you have already seen this in there and don’t need any convincing from us. What you may need is some encouragement and comfort in knowing we are here for you. Feel free to completely research the following links below and the people behind them as much as is possible. You may wish to copy the following links or emails listed below for a future time when you have the confidence from Him to communicate with any of us. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 288 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
While the bombs explode and bullets fly here God is our everlasting shield and protector. In a battlefield the soldiers get so used to this type of loud activity that they can share their hearts as it occurs. The battle is the Lords! Don’t be intimidated by these mere men (and women) that shoot their fiery darts and have been proven liars. They have no strength at all from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God does not back liars. And Christ's Power is for us not against us here. Through prayer and time I whole heartedly believe that God will, by His Spirit, destroy this stronghold and demolish it’s fortresses. “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,” (2 Cor 10:3-4) We just need to be willing vessels, cleansed by His Spirit, the Word, and the Blood. Soldiers strengthened by Christ's Grace and ready for the battle. Let God give you the inner strength through prayer and, if need be, fasting. Meanwhile here are a few friends, brothers and sisters in Christ who may help and encourage you. Links: http://www.indianapoliscult.com/allatmikesfeet/welcome.aspx (more links and email contacts on this site) http://tobysthoughts-jtc.blogspot.com/ (relevant links on the sidebar of this site) http://noahlot.blogspot.com/ (my personal blog with some sidebar links and a number of posts to help you see through the lies of Mike and his practices) Email: joythruchrist@gmail.com (my wife Jen’s email) couthy68@yahoo.com (my email) then_freedom@yahoo.com (was a member of Indy for 10 years and is now free) anordinaryguy@bbtel.com (was a member for 18 years and is now free) whistleblower@indianapoliscult.com (was involved with Mike Peters' teaching for 5 years and saw the error) There are many more than this here that we are aware of and communicate with. They choose to not post here at this time for good reasons. But we do encourage one another in the Lord often and pray for each other. You are welcome here. With understanding, Denny | ||
| freedomofmind New member Username: freedomofmind Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 65.54.155.57 |
Speaking truth, I looked at your link. There is SO much love and joy and peace and hope there. I too was involved in a cult which led me to factnet. Jesus brings hope, joy, love, peace, and life and liberty in His Holy Spirit. Cults bring bondage, doom, gloom, despair, condemnation and judgment. And scripture truth! Jesus is the WORD! Cults:the leader is the word. The older cults get, the less they use of the word of God and the MORE they use of the leader to the point that what is blatantly written in the word of God, will be deviated from in cults. God Bless your efforts. | ||
| skeza2505 New member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
You are all so wonderful and I thank God that I found you here. I am amazed at how brave you all have been to continue posting here for months, not allowing these truths to just sit and become nothing but stagnant words! Instead you have kept it alive, continued to press forward, continued to fight even with all of the attacks and slandering and double talk that you have been so unpleasantly greeted with! God will bless you for your perseverence, God will use you. The leaders in Indianapolis, Columbus, Phoenix(and wherever else there are followers of Mike Peters) want you to believe that everyone there is so "free" and that they are doing "fabulously" and are "flourishing". But inside, a great many of the people are miserable, their spirits crying, "There's got to be more than this! This can't be it!" And God will use this place, a place of TRUTH and LIGHT, to reach them, whether it be through their families, concerned friends, or they themselves. There is a GOOD thing happening here, and God is already using it to reach people!! One more thing I wanted to say, regarding the 20-year-old in Indianapolis: If, in fact, that letter was written by a real 20-yr-old from Indianapolis, do not be fooled by it. It breaks my heart so because the worst part about that letter is: SHE REALLY BELIEVES THE WORDS SHE IS SPEAKING!!! With the adults, you can tell them to remember a time when they were free. You can tell them to remember a time when they took their guidance from Jesus and not Mike Peters. You can tell them to remember a time when it was ok to be the individual that God made you, and you didn't have to try to sqeeze yourself into the Mike Peters-shaped cookie cutter. But for the children who have grown up there, THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE KNOWN!! They had the life sqeezed out of them at a very young, pliable age so that by the time they are young adults, they are nothing but lifeless pulp, blindly following without question as they have been trained to do. They have never known the true joy of following Jesus, they have never known the true grace of Jesus, they do not know what it feels like to be truly cleansed and made white by Jesus' blood. Unless they are rescued from that place of bondage and fear and oppression, they never will. And it breaks my heart. | ||
| skeza2505 Junior Member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
First Truth...everything you have said is wonderful. You have described the "caste system" there so perfectly...the very words I have heard come out of my mother's and father's mouths time and time again...things that I saw and felt for myself! Because believe or not there's even a little mini-caste system amongst the children! There are some children who are "more spiritual" than other children, and they learn to "rebuke" and "admonish" their little friends(mimicking their adult examples). The children know that if they are to be accepted by the adults as "good little Christian children"(and also receive fewer punishments) that they need to do the same and also try to associate with those "more spiritual" kids(which is actually a "dirty word" in Indianapolis which we weren't allowed to say). A good example of this was the time that one of my friends "shared" a song at that God had touched her heart with at a meeting. As soon as she did this, I was immediately discouraged that I hadn't thought of this first, because now everyone was going to think she was a better Christian then me. So upon going home, I started going through the tapes in our cabinet, looking for a song that I could share at the next meeting, and also a good story about how God had touched me. Just another example of the ways of thinking that are adopted by the children in Indianapolis and Co. | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.58.58.186 |
It doesn't even seem strange anymore that those on this site with histories in homosexuality, protitution, Dungeons and Dragons, encounters with Child Protection (neighbors calling the police on them), Cincinnati mistresses boasted about at work, divorce, and the like would brush under the rug as quickly as possible the "I've done this before to __ do it's okay" attack on an innocent her parents' master bathroom shower, and her brothers (as they called it) sexual "experiments" on an innocent child, multiple times -- that had that child in convulsions for YEARS -- and was NEVER even apologized for... And her make-believe stories carry weight, while criminal events that can be verified by polygraph are brushed under the rug, as usual. Carry on. You all are dishonest beyond belief. You facilitate and feed a divorce and abandonment, and then call OTHERS harmful to families. You ignore the evil of those on this site, and attack others with make-believe sins. WHO has the "sin-mindset"? WHO are the ones driving this name-calling slander-site?? YOU are. | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.58.58.186 |
And by the way, the "withholding" accusations are nonsense and probably only a FRACTION of what heppens in every pagan relationship in every country on earth, depending on the unBelievers' moods, drinking habits, relationship strains, and such things. There are NO relationships (talk to your friends at work, or even admit it from what you've seen on 'television' -- the "why should I go to bed with you tonight and feed your animal selfish appetitites until you act like you love ME and not just self-indulgence?" That kind of thing is probably MORE common in the population of married couples on earth than anyone we know in churches around the world we know. You can quit with the nonsense. "Withholding" in NOT a "tool" -- even as much as your OWN moods and home daily situations effect that topic. There are plenty of "proofs" available, even on the various places you all of tried to attack from yaers gone by where there were warnings from sisters to sisters to NOT to let their moods or wiring cause them to not be "givers" in that area. So, there you have it: the official statement that all the men and women in the church and churches are MORE aware of than the average marriage in the world, where selfishness DOES regularly cause that to be a "tool" or a "weapon". That would be wrong. And that has been said, and can be proven, for two decades, and parents to the children who have married. Easy. | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Sigh, IF this child was so deeply affected as you describe, "convulsions for YEARS", why did none of you very godly and responsible adults do something to help her? If skeza and her brothers are the demons you are making them out to be, why was nothing done at the time, instead of choosing now, when she has come here to expose your evil, to accuse her of crimes that are vile beyond description? Your timing with these lies is certainly suspect. | ||
| sigh New member Username: sigh Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.58.58.186 |
And Lisa, for you to call a sweet sister a liar as you have, when she poured her heart out and never said an unkind word to you, just shows all the more what the people on this site have done to corrupt your heart. The young lady (you totally guessed wrong as to "who" it was -- it was actually one of the girls you and your brothers violated, and you and your brothers "made it happen" -- and she was STILL kind to you) was not "lying" about her Freedom. How dare you say that when she was being KIND to you. How can YOU claim to be free, and be engaged in this kind of website attacking people who have done you no harm. Should they stert up a website about you and your family, and the others on here, and just go on and on and on about YOU? I think you can see that it is NOT freedom to spend you days as these guys to trying to find ways to slander and attack people. Half or more of those one here DON'T EVEN KNOW anyone in Indianapolis, or have no memories that aren't a decade old or more. Why don't you all grow up and go do something on the streets and alleys for JESUS, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, instead of doing things on here that will eventually get you in trouble. Ask Denny and Jen about the Pennsylvania slander they did, and the reason they ended up having to take down a bunch of postings against someone else they decided to slander. | ||
| sigh Junior Member Username: sigh Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.58.58.186 |
She only admitted what had been convulsing her for so many years yesterday or the day before, for the very first time. She was deeply deeply harmed by it all and they told her (of course) not to tell anyone. She didn't for years. When saw what Lisa had written it all swallowed her up with anguish and she had to finally describe what had been done to her. But, as you can see from her note, she is still soft and forgiving with her face towards Jesus. Signing off. | ||
| gottapost2 Junior Member Username: gottapost2 Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 87.106.27.17 |
Why aren't these "criminal events" verifiable with police reports? | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Once again, you people are trying to get off topic, so I'll make this brief, and I will say that if anyone wants details, NO PROBLEM. We have nothing to hide. As I've already written about before, WE were slandered by a local pastor, and found out this and other things were a common occurrence with him, so we started a FACTnet thread about him out of love and concern for our dear brothers and sisters in Christ who might be hurt by him in the future. Which is also why we are involved here. That church has since dissolved, the pastor resigned, and there are many dear people locally who were/are very hurt by him, as well as people in another church in another state. We removed the postings on the one thread because the thread had become to difficult to read through, and posted the link to the new thread about him. Yes, he threatened to sue, but we aren't afraid of that because everything we said was the truth. Slander is defined as lies. We have not lied; there, or here. Jen Elslager joythruchrist@gmail.com (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 09, 2006) | ||
| skeza2505 Junior Member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
That's funny, because I did not guess wrong as to who it was. That was the very person that I THOUGHT it was, A. Y. Am I not right?? And you are NOT scaring me with your threats! You keep saying the same stupid things over and over again, without answering any of our questions. You are messed up in your head, you are delusional, you are full of twisted lies. The only reason she was in "convulsions" over it is because Satan was tormenting her, putting her in anguish over the things that happened. I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE TOO. There were times when I would lay awake at night, Satan tormenting me with memories of my past sins, even after I had repented of them, NUMEROUS TIMES! He would dangle the memory of my wickedness incessantly!! It took me years before I could put it behind me...Satan just kept telling me how wicked I was and that I didn't deserve to be loved by God. There were nights were I would lay in my bed, shaking with "convulsions" in my guilt. THAT IS THE RESULT OF YOUR GROUPS FOCUS ON DARKNESS. HOW DARE YOU. HOW DARE YOU TRY TO MAKE ME FEEL SHAME FOR THINGS THAT HAPPENED *MUTUALLY* WHEN I WAS 8/9 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!! May God forgive your for your filthy, perverted, twisted words. Because I believe you DON'T know what you are doing, and that you are controlled by none other than SATAN HIMSELF. And I never said anything negative about the person who wrote that letter. I said that I'm not entirely sure that an actual 20 year old wrote that letter(meaning that it could be a fake, because I wouldn't put it past you guys). You all make me sick. What do you CARE if we are on here talking about you? Didn't Jesus command you to turn the other cheek, anyway? Didn't Jesus say that when you are persecuted, to ENDURE? Oh, wait, I have it right here: "12and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; 13when we are slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become as the scum of the world, the dregs of all things, even until now." (I Cor. 4:12-13) NAS So why do you even CARE?? Why does it even matter to you that we are on here talking about you?? WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF??? | ||
| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 288 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.64.146.163 |
"Should they stert up a website about you and your family, and the others on here, and just go on and on and on about YOU?" Yes, do so immediately. Also, please post the specific sins that these children committed, and the adult's names and addresses who withheld this information from police and local child safety authorities. Begin with A.Y.'s info. Thank you. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 289 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Skeza, They are extremely afraid of the light shining on them, or should I make it clearer by saying that Satan hates that his tactics are brought to the light. He is the accuser of the brethren. We know we are Christ's by this reviling they do to us (actual and proven to be reviling, not falsely said as they say we revile), for Christ endured it too as He rightly and justly accused the lying Pharisees. He was accused of all sorts of severe sins by blinded Pharisees who really thought they were doing this for God, and Jesus Christ didn't have any sin at all. What more can Satan do with those the Bible says have ALL sinned and fallen short of His glory? In God's eyes you are as clean as Jesus for you are in His righteousness. Who can bring any charge against you? For Christ Himself is your defense! May God give you greater grace to see you through this as He gives you the strength. You will come out of all of this knowing Christ more and having His strength in you to help others who will go through this kind of thing. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also abounds through Christ. Now if we are afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effective for enduring the same sufferings which we also suffer. Or if we are comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. And our hope for you is steadfast, because we know that as you are partakers of the sufferings, so also you will partake of the consolation." (2 Cor 1:3-7) (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 09, 2006) | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 290 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
By the way Satan absolutely HATES the Truth of that Scripture (and all Truth) for what it can produce in us so we know they will hate it as well. Let God produce His Life through this assault on you or any other. "This is the victory that overcomes the world even our faith." Keep your shield of faith up as you use the Sword of the Spirit. GOD BLESS!!! | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 97 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 149.9.0.59 |
I did a little investigating, it appears that SIGH was posting from columbus, Ohio, but now is posting from Indiana. Uhm? The language sounds just like Mike Peters. Mike Peters lives in Indianapolis. 1 + 1 = 2, I'd say Mike why do you have a bag over your head? I have never seen a grown man persecute an 8 year old girl from the past. That is pretty low. | ||
| skeza2505 Junior Member Username: skeza2505 Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 159.71.254.248 |
danrepent wrote: "I have never seen a grown man persecute an 8 year old girl from the past. That is pretty low." You are right. That is low. BUT, they haven't scared me away, have they? They'll notice that I won't budge.... | ||
| sigh Junior Member Username: sigh Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 202.147.186.251 |
To the innocent person who has stumbled onto this slander-site... This why they attack the church bought by Jesus' Blood, and they attack those members who live for and love Jesus with all of their hearts. This link, by an older gentleman, describes why they hate with ferocity: http://home.comcast.net/~chris.olive/Loveless_Religion_is_not_Christianity_Reidhead.mp3 You decide for yourself, before you believe their slander. Decide for yourself! How do you know ANYTHING about those who slander so vociferously on this site?? Chain smokers pecking away in the midnight hours or using company time, before they guzzle some booze or "party", or go onto their favorite sleazy websites for entertainment, or pop in another evil horror flick into the VCR... How do you KNOW you want to be like the people who started and perpetuate the hate crimes on this site?? So many of their lies and half-truths have been exposed again and again for over six months, with testimonies again and again from those who clarify or tell "the rest of the story" -- only to have these guys try to excuse away their own sins and lies to get back to spewing hatred and trying to find angles and connive to try to harm others. Is that what you want to be?? A bitter conniving old person?? Decide for yourself. Check the spirit of what you see on these links, and decide if you want to be like these guys, or just drop this junk and go live for Jesus without all of this nonsense. But if you DO live for Jesus, "All men will hate you because of Me." -Jesus http://www.allathisfeet.com/risk.html http://www.allathisfeet.com/storm/index.html http://www.allathisfeet.com/medley/index.html | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
Since I do not in any way trust ChrisO, and for the sake of your computer's health (since ChrisO is a techy kind of guy), I would advise you not to download anything from his site. Would you be so kind to put the text of his lovely message here for us to read? (Message edited by joythruchrist on November 09, 2006) | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 98 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Mike, Nobody "innocently" stumbles onto factnet. If they are here they suspect you are a cult or they are looking up other cults. Besides, you disprove of people participating on factnet, so how could they be innocent in your book? The Law of logic states that you cannot have both "A" and "not A" at the same time and in the same relationship. Which one is it Mike? You are not logically sound. | ||
| danrepent Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 99 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.95.71.20 |
Mike, And speaking of posting on company time. What are you doing posting in the mid afternoon? Shouldn't you be serving Jesus? And your bishop in Westerville onetimeposter just came out and said he works for OSU and posted right from their server during "work" hours. Don't condemn you own followers, you are already about to lose the ones you have. | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 291 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
We all need to remember here and now that this battle is so much easier than we may think. Mike is cunning…. SO WHAT! We all see through this or will soon enough. Mike is a mere man! God sees right through all the back and forth words here as the words are turned by them. Christ is and will back those in the Truth only. Mike has gone on for his 20+ years now and God has been looking over this with perfect detail and Sovereignty. Michael H. Peters has been thinking for years now that God was taking his tricks lightly and letting him abuse others mercilessly as he worked on building his own little kingdom, but the contrary is true! Mike is paying for the many years of deception and control as he practiced pointing the finger at EVERYONE who saw his deeds in their reality. He will reap what he has sown! The sand is giving way and the house is beginning to tip over and God may just have the next storm come through in due season to let EVERYONE know what Mike and his adherents are REALLY made of and what is under them. Let God use you in prayer to see this happen. Let Him use your testimony. Take His yoke upon you and keep learning of Him. And we will wait on the LORD who has it all in His Mighty Hands! He will be glorified through this, even as we see more of Mike’s attempts to turn the table here and elsewhere. It happened to Pharaoh before the exodus. Mike's tricks will run out soon, as the GRACE OF GOD PREVAILS! AND MAY GOD BE GLORIFIED THROUGH HIS CHILDREN OF GRACE AND TRUTH!!! Mike’s Adherents, Will your hearts harden further or will you accept the Grace of God to be freed before its too late and all your shamefulness is exposed? We are praying for you... EVERYONE else, SHOUT FOR JOY FOR THE LORD HAS GIVEN US THE VICTORY AND HIS RIGHT HAND HAD TORN DOWN THE ENEMY!!! (Message edited by speakingtruth on November 09, 2006) | ||
| joythruchrist New member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.9.208.7 |
I am posting something here that was sent to me in an email by someone who caught this duplicitous exchange. My statements are toward the end in black: Anonymous source: did you notice how they responded to skeza, ALREADY knowing this, well, apparently not the poster, but those in Indy... Sigh: Dear Lisa, You are remembered by many as being sweet and seeking Jesus. It's seems very out of character to those who knew you, both young and old, that you would take up with such sordid characters here (those with mental illness, prostitution, divorce advocates, pornography and dungeons and dragons, anger and rage, abusing their children and wives, drugs, homosexuality, and the like that these guys do), and if you followed them home, you'd see that you don't want to be like them at all. As for "not writing" -- the memory those you corresponded with is that you all wrote back and forth for awhile, and then it gradually stopped, as things often do, and that you owed them the last letter. (smile) You were the last one "not to write" and they were hurt because you stopped writing. The "it's just crazy" remark about how you weren't allowed to correspond with your friends is dishonest. You not only DID do so, but you were the one to stop writing, according to them. And they were surprised! Anonymous source: and then when Lisa responded in this way... Skeza: in fact when I say "My heart goes out to the friends I used to have there" SHE is one of the people that worries my heart most, because we were so close. In either case, I did not realize that the ball was in my court, and for this I am deeply sorry to all of those who feel that I simply just "stopped writing" them. If you are so certain that everyone there is so "free", and that Sarah is doing fabulously spiritually, then please, allow me to write her. Send me her address, and I will write to her and ask her to explain to me how free she is and how wonderful life is for her. Because of course, if she is doing so well in the Lord, then you would have no problem with having her communicate with me, right? I would love to have contact with Sarah again. She was a wonderful friend and we have very many good memories together. Anonymous source: Their sweet words became...Wait a minute, this just in... Sigh: I have also become aware just two minutes ago that you and your brothers were involved in some VERY SERIOUS SEXUAL SIN against a young one here. That is most grievous. You have some very very serious repenting to do, as do your brothers. This |
