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     journeythroughramthaland Junior Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.130.149.15 |
Well, well,well, Remember when there was all that cell phone and cell phone controversy??? Remember when the bashing of the corporate environment was so in vogue?? in the dialogues as well as in "where angel’s fear to tread"?? Remember the poor, poor, school taking up donations for a new carpet in the arena??? And on , and on..... Well, fortunately (or, unfortunately) for JZ, she was busy investing some of her $'s which she reaped selling fear and anti establishment propaganda to her students in a corporation Primus Knowledge Systems Inc. "Primus Knowledge Solutions develops award-winning software that enables companies to provide a superior customer experience via contact centers, help desks, Web self-service, and electronic communication channels. Primus technology powers every interaction with knowledge to increase customer satisfaction and reduce operational costs. The company continues to receive industry accolades for its robust product suite. In 2003, Primus received the STAR Award for "Best Support Technology Vendor" from the Service & Support Professionals Association (SSPA), was recognized for its trend-setting products and named one of the "100 Companies that Matter in Knowledge Management" by KMWorld magazine, and received the CRM Excellence Award from the editors of Customer Interaction Solutions magazine. Global organizations such as Allied Irish Bank, The Boeing Company, CompuCom, EMC, Ericsson, Inc., Fujitsu Limited, Inc., IBM, Eastman Kodak Co., HSBC, Orange, Motorola, 3Com, and T-Mobile rely on Primus technology to enhance their customer service and support initiatives." I am not saying that it is a "bad" company. However, its main goal of providing cost cutting alternatives through the use of eliminating personnel and making the customer do the work is pretty much in line with the way JZ has everyone on the school running their own programs while she continues to collect the returns instead of the students. She too is now awarded the Journey throughramthaland award of excellence in Knowledge Management! She must have so strongly believed in the company that according to SEC filings, as of 5/31/99 she was a major stockholder with over 1/2 a million shares!!!(582,036 to be exact). If she managed to hold out until the company was acquired by ATG her holdings would have grown to well over 3/4 of a million shares which was trading close to $4.00 earlier this year. Not chump change by any means!!!! Poor, poor, JZ.... if she were not so greedy she could have kept beneath the radar screen with this, but for those of us who know how to make the unknown known......it is a way of exposing the underlying hypocrisy of the big guy/gal. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 214 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
JTR, Students were told to get rid of their video copies of Where Angels Fear To Tread and the Two Paths video, if I recall correctly (and I think I do). We were told that we were moving to a new timeline so those videos (drinking, etc) did not exist any longer there. In normal speak, that tells me (my opinion) that JZ was moving into full swing with the global recruitment and "her" teachings, so it was time to clean up the act. Hmmm... Interesting how she, or the staff would even consider that the students could be dictated to. If we purchased the items we may do whatever we want with them in terms of keeping them, chucking them, or re-reviewing them to laugh at the blatant hypocrisies. So what was presented to be another level of our spiritual growth and unfoldment was nothing more than a marketing manipulation to enhance ... guess who's....image to the public. Duh. | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Junior Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.130.149.15 |
Whatcha, It may have been that the reason all were asked to get rid of the tapes was because she may not have had fully disclosed that she was marketing the tapes for sale (as opposed to only using them for educational purposes) I have been on the trail of that one for a while. I thought it was unusual the amount of music she had on the videos and that she may have tried to slip under the radar screen instead of paying the rights to the owners for the way she used them. Besides not having much INTEGRITY, if it turns out to be true, it shows how incredibly cheap she really is!!!! | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Junior Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
A nice link with some humor and facts. SInce it is 15-20 years old material, I am sure many of you will find it quite similar to JZS "fabulous wealth" drivel. Seems like her thought is limited to what she can steal from others..... www.skeptics.comau/journal/2ndcoming.psychics.pdf Happy thanksgiving!!! | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 252 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
Happy Thanksgiving to you, too JTR ! I just tried the link you posted and I got this for a response to the "click": The page cannot be displayed Maybe because it's a PDF ? I would think it should work, anyway ! whatcha | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 153 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.6 |
JTR, When I was in the US in 2005 it was stated by a group of students I was amongst that RSE wanted to get any material that had excessive drinking/drunkeness off the market. The reason for this was not made clear. | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Junior Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
whatcha, I couldn't copy and paste it, I think I mis typed it. Try this: www.skeptics.comau/journal/2ndcoming/psychics.pdf | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Junior Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
Whatcha, I don't know why it is not coming up. However, if you google skeptics 2nd coming pdf you will end up at the link. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 253 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
Argh !!! I tried several ways and I keep getting the same response... an acrobat error message. sigh Acrobat Reader 5.0 has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience. Can you cut/paste the article and post it on here with the URL link ? Then, you're not breaking any rules, as long as you include the link. Sorry to be a pest, but I'd really like to read it. whatcha | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Junior Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
THE SECOND COMING Edited by Barry Williams Compiled by Richard Saunders New Cartoons by Penny Rowe (Funny Penny) & Richard Saunders Psychics THE SECOND COMING All the best from the Skeptic, 1986–1990 A Skeptical View of Creative Abundance William Grey Stuart Wilde is a self-styled metaphysician who claims to have discovered a way to blend ancient wisdom with modern technology, to teach you how to create more money in your life. Denise Linn is a reincarnationist who claims to connect you with your past lives to make you more "abundant" in this one. They toured Australia in November 1985 under the auspices of International Health Promotions, presenting seminars in Canberra, Melbourne and Sydney. Canberra provided the team with its warm-up opportunity. Wilde and Linn appeared on the local ABC Morning Show (hosted by Wendy Wicks) on Friday 1st November. Linn explained that she had become interested in previous incarnations, and realised their value as a resource for abundance, as a result of a visionary "near death experience" which led her to radically alter her views about reality. Wilde’s account of his discovery of the secret of "creative abundance" was a little different. Having .....cont | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
made a fortune in the rag trade in Carnaby Street in the sixties he became filled with the emptiness of material success, and set out to discover deeper truths about the meaning of our existence. The truth he discovered after his long search seemed very close to the starting point of his disillusion. The secret to life lies in making pots of money, indeed in persuading people to give you as much of it as possible. But it is important not to feel the least guilty about it. Twenty years ago Wilde made a fortune and felt terrible. Now he is making a fortune and feels terrific. As long as you approach people in the right fashion, Wilde suggested, they will just love to make you rich. His faith seemed amply justified. Two days later about 120 people each paid $20 to hear his contradictory blend of Taoist philosophy and North American materialism. Reincarnation presents a lot of problems, and I posed the following for Linn on Wendy Wicks' program. Three hundred years ago the population was about one-eighth its present size. So there were just not enough people in the comparatively recent past for everybody alive today to have been alive before. Linn was puzzled by this problem (which had not occurred to her before), but Wilde came to her rescue, suggesting that "other dimensions" provided a convenient source of disembodied souls to resolve the difficulty. (This is patently an ad hoc artificial manoeuvre. Reincarnation claims made subsequently by participants in Wilde and Linn's seminar were... cont | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
invariably claims about prior existence in this world: no one reported a previous incarnation in another dimension.) The Canberra seminar presented by Wilde and Linn (on Sunday 3rd November) was slick, polished and delivered with enthusiasm and panache. Linn conducted the morning session and Wilde the afternoon. Problems about reincarnation were swept aside by Linn as she explained that we are spirits whose purpose is to return bodily again and again "to polish the jewel" which we essentially are. Linn suggested that many of our hang-ups are the product of difficulties experienced in previous incarnations. Coming to terms with what we were is (she claimed) a means of coming to accept what we are. To relive is to relieve. Linn's presentation concluded with an exercise to bring the seminar participants in touch with their previous lives. After a "deep relaxation" preliminary, everyone was invited to imagine themselves at twenty years, at ten, at five, at six months, then back to birth and the womb. And then beyond. For this participant the nature of the imaginative task changed radically as the exercise progressed. I can recollect, albeit vaguely, five-year-old experiences. Prior to that, however, I found myself wholly dependent on old family photo albums, and reports derived from memories other than my own. Linn appeared to be aware of this problem. If nothing "came to mind" participants were invited to "pretend, create, imagine" experiences. With a generous range | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 53 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
of cues about the kinds of experiences that others had reported (World War II pilots, pilgrims, Chinese peasants) we were provided with a helpful delineation of the scope of the imaginative exercise. The participants in this fantasy exercise of imagining a possible past life appeared quite happy to accept their inventions as genuine reports of previous incarnations. We were, in effect, asked to invent a past life and then to accept the invention as reality. There were plenty of grounds for doubting the truth of the reports. For one thing there were plenty of anachronisms. ("Roman soldiers", for example, solemnly reported having lived in castles.) After a break for lunch the second component of the seminar was conducted by Wilde. His exposition of the secrets of "creative abundance" was an extraordinary blend of Dale Carnegie's entrepreneurial fervour, Billy Graham's evangelism, and some entertaining wisecracking reminiscent of Morecombe and Wise. Wilde's essential message was: get other people to build up confidence in you, and then "bill them". If they like you they'll pay you. This simple message was wrapped up in a lot of dubious - often incomprehensible - guff about physical planes, abundant forces, infinite sources of energy, vibrancy, destiny, high intention, resonance, clarity, total potential, crescendos of understanding, spiritual growth, and bumping against the roughness of other dimensions. It was exasperating rubbish. Wilde in effect presented a short course of motivational therapy wrapped up in a confusion of Taoist philosophy and spurious science. Some of the claims which he made are at least testable. Two items which he vigorously promoted were "subliminal" tapes, selling for $20 to $25, and a so-called "theta metronome". Subliminal tapes purport to contain messages or affirmations embedded in a musical background. Similar tapes have been examined by the National Acoustic Laboratory (NAL) in several ways, using spectral analysis, filtering and autocorrelation. NAL was unable to find any evidence of messages buried in the "noise". Not only is there no evidence that the subliminal tapes which have been examined contain any auditory message, there is also no evidence that subliminal auditory stimulation can affect behaviour in the manner claimed. For a critical evaluation of the claims, see "Subliminal Perception: A d i s c u s s i o n with Special Relevance to the Use of Subliminal Audio Tapes", by Robert A. Cummins, the Bulletin of the Australian Psychological Society, November, 1985, pp 28-35. | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
The placebo effect guarantees that a number of people will read the claims, listen to the tapes, and swear by their efficacy. It would of course be a straightforward matter to set up a simple double-blind test to evaluate their effect. (I wonder if "Mystic Traders", the company marketing the tapes, would agree to such an evaluation?) The "theta metronome" is another cassette tape which provides gentle repetitive tones recorded at 4-6 cycles per second (theta rhythm) or 7-13 cycles per second (alpha rhythm). The rhythms are said to improve mental abilities, memory, healing, inspirational creativity, relaxation and "accelerated rest". For an evaluation of these claims, see Barry Beyerstein's paper "The Myth of Alpha Consciousness" in The Skeptical Enquirer, Vol 10, No 1 (Fall 1985). There were many more cassette tapes prepared by Wilde and Linn to help one to develop techniques for making money, nurturing health, increasing power. altering states of consciousness, and to help one to become more sensuous and radiant. Creative abundance, which has been on sale in North America for several years, is seeking to establish an Australian market. It looks set for good business. William Grey has taught philosophy at the Australian National University and Temple University, Philadelphia. He works in the Department of Science in Canberra and is Secretary of the Canberra Branch of Australian Skeptics. | ||
| journeythroughramthaland Member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.170.95.25 |
the above came from the following link: www.skeptics.com.au/journal/2ndcoming/psychics.pdf | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 260 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.177.245.142 |
THANK YOU ! Interesting article. I've heard of Stuart Wilde. I heard he has an elite group and they do very advanced spiritual practices, says a friend of mine. I do not know it to be true. Then again, at RSE, we were shown, repeatedly, the same few pictures of people semi-materialized. The digi-pix were SO blown up that they were barely recongizable as anything. If it were real, then wouldn't one think it would hold up to scientific scrutiny and make some major headline news ??? Maybe Wilde and Knight know one another ? |
