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truth_hunter
Intermediate Member
Username: truth_hunter
Post Number: 293
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.2.84.88
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 9:13 pm: | 
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I was driving down the road today, and as usual I was thinking about my many discussions with Howard Wheeler while seeking answers to the questions that I had concerning an arranged marriage within my family while in Homestead Heritage. Since the time I was sixteen I had searched for answers to why should someone marry a person they do not love? I was given many answers, but among the most acceptable was" It may not have been the right time, but it was God's will and now she has learned to love him."
Until today I viewed this as a possibility. How could I still be so blind! God has given us a precious gift in free will, and since it wasn't God's timing!!!!!!! It wasn't His will at all!!!! If I am right then Homestead Heritage is in a terrible and dangerous place not only spiritually, but the physical safety of the people as well. But it is what I have been saying all along, HH believes they can impose and presume the will of God and the people follow, then when things go wrong they can confuse their flock by saying " Well we know it was God's will, the timing was just off". If the people believe this, HH could get away with anything, even deaths, by saying it was someone's time to go. The teachings of HH are dangerous and deceiving. It angers me that the leaders of HH took such great advantage of the trust that we had put in them as Jesus in the Flesh.
Howard arranged that marriage because it was Blair's will. Blair had already told the people that it was God's will FROM THE PULPIT!!! That made it the unfallible word of God. Because of the place of honor given to Blair as God's authority here on earth, his word is uncontested by HH disciples.
In spite of the pain and tears, a flower has grown among the ashes.God in his goodness has taken the mess that HH made and made a family. It is done and over, it cannot be changed. But I would spare any soul the torment that I and my family face. DO NOT let men dictate the will of God for your life or you will be like me, filled with regret. Looking back the lord was calling out to me time and time again but because of fear I trusted in men. |
woman_of_faith
New member
Username: woman_of_faith
Post Number: 3
Registered: 9-2006
Posted From: 24.195.101.245
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 8:04 am: |
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truth hunter:
I belong to a fellowship that has a relationship with HH and I am seeing the beginnings of what I'm reading on here starting to happen here. BA and our pastor studied for ministry under the same man in UPC. I am by the way separating myself from this fellowship after 25 years by the mercy and direction of God.
Were you once a member?
thank you for your reply - woman of faith |
infreedom
Junior Member
Username: infreedom
Post Number: 47
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 67.141.89.206
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 9:33 am: |
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Woman of Faith, I belonged to exactly such a group as well and came to exactly the same conclusion. I was only a member for a short time but had a long standing relationship with the group. Others who had been with the group much, much longer than we were left immediately after we did. The Lord has been good to all of us, providing for us, binding up our wounds and showing us His love toward us. Take heart. |
yeoman
Junior Member
Username: yeoman
Post Number: 28
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 64.246.4.161
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 7:48 pm: |
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Would to God I had been smart enough, discerning enough, brave enough, to have done the same soon after I became a member. I had way too much time, effort, money, and emotional/spiritual energy invested to leave at that point. Only when I was used up and drained dry was I cast off and cut loose. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1118
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.61.185
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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I too wish to God that I had never seen them and never associated with them... |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1119
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.61.185
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |
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I too wish to God that I had never seen them and never associated with them... |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 696
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 3:46 pm: |
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"I too wish to God that I had never seen them and never associated with them..."
Wow.
What a way to put your supposed Saviour in a box, and stomp on Him.
Missionary Lady, you have become a joke, a side note, a late-night TV punchline. (and I say that with sadness)
I have watched you speak (online), and you are a gifted lady. It is disappointing to watch you tarnish and throw away your reputation. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.61.8
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 8:37 pm: |
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Telling the truth is not tarnishing my reputation. Hiding things HH does would tarnish my good name.
I have no Savior in a box from HH...I have a few boxes of their false doctrine. My Savior does not fit in the HH box...they boxed Him out when they took other "saviors"...
You Dowen would not know truth if it ran into you. I too say this with sadness...
And yes anyone that would like to hear about Brazil go to Goodnewscafe.net...and then decide what kind of woman I am...
I spoke on television and I was not a punch line... |
infreedom
Junior Member
Username: infreedom
Post Number: 48
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 71.29.254.95
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 7:34 am: |
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In a way I also wish I'd never seen or heard of the group I was in. But I can't 100% wish that because there were other people in the group who had been wanting to leave for many, many years and praying for courage and right circumstances to do it. We didn't actually do anything to get them out, but just our being there and being appalled at what we saw and then leaving and then funneling back some information (some from Factnet) helped them to leave. But really, I think the main thing was the fullness of God's timing for them to go and for this group to begin to fall apart. We were a part of this by just stupidly blundering through. In addition, the Lord has brought us some blessing through it all, too, and seems to be restoring to us all that we lost. However, it has been a terribly painful experience and not one I'd want to repeat. I think Dowen's making the gross mistake of equating the Lord with a group. I don't think missionary_lady is saying she wishes she'd never met the Lord -- only Homestead. If I remember her story right, she knew the Lord long before she'd ever heard of Homestead. Same with me. I knew the Lord long before I heard of this group. They damaged my relationship with Him -- they never furthered it at all except by driving me to Him to recover from having associated with them. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1130
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.60.118
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 1:44 pm: |
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I wish I had never met HH...The Lord is everything in my life...I have spent 40 years telling people His story... |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1131
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.60.118
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 1:50 pm: |
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and I plan to spend the rest of my life telling the story of Jesus... |
truth_hunter
Intermediate Member
Username: truth_hunter
Post Number: 305
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.55.230.165
| | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 3:34 pm: |
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Woman of Faith, I don't know how I missed your post, and I know it's been a while, but if you're still reading here I am thankful that the Lord is leading you to freedom.
Yes, I was a member of Homestead Heritage. If you read the original HH thread down at the bottom of the list, you can read my first post. It tells who and what I was in HH.
Once again I'm sorry I didn't see your post before now. |
seekingglory
Intermediate Member
Username: seekingglory
Post Number: 160
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 24.162.130.158
| | Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 10:32 pm: |
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majajh
Junior Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 41
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 192.138.54.196
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 1:43 pm: |
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"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." —Daniel Webster |
majajh
Junior Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 42
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 192.138.54.196
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 2:24 pm: |
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"It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." —Voltaire |
dowen
Junior Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 50
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 12:38 am: |
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I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of God, I will do. — Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909) |
missionary_lady
Junior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 36
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 5:40 pm: |
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"There is a special place in hell for those who remain silent." -- DANTE
I chose not to remain silent about what I saw and witnessed at HH. |
wise_as_a_serpent
New member
Username: wise_as_a_serpent
Post Number: 17
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.48.179
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 10:46 am: |
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"A job not well done, is not a well done job." -- Jonas Grumpy's father |
majajh
Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 75
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 24.206.99.20
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 6:15 pm: |
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Remember ol' buddy that you and Prax could have won me over in the debate on this site, but you UTTERLY lost the debate. |
praxaluh
Junior Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 33
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 6:22 pm: |
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Majajh, from reading your posts it is nothing but your own bondage to rebellion and pride that has UTTERLY lost you to common sense and a heart towards the Lord Jesus Christ.
May your heart warm and change, may your seek a true and full repentance and be touched by the Spirit of Holiness.
In Jesus Name,
Praxaluh |
foreverhis
Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 63
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.54.69
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 6:42 pm: |
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" your own bondage to rebellion...UTTERLY lost you to ... a heart towards the Lord Jesus Christ"
And you know this because...??????
You sound so much like Homestead Leaders.
Evidence of her rebellion is...????
How do you know his/her heart towards Jesus? Do you, like Homestead leaders, claim all of Jesus' authority to judge the hearts of men? Are you prophesizing? Or is it because Majajh disagreed with Blair Adams and that is proof enough?
God have mercy on you.
FH |
missionary_lady
Junior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 38
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 7:40 pm: |
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Rebellion to God is one thing rebellion to the false teachings of HH is another... |
praxaluh
Junior Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 36
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Friday, June 22, 2007 - 12:09 am: |
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'Foreverhis' I simply read many posts of majajh.
Es suficiente.
And the following remains my sincere expression.
May your heart, Majajh, warm and change, may your seek a true and full repentance and be touched by the Spirit of Holiness.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
majajh
Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 78
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 24.206.99.20
| | Posted on Friday, June 22, 2007 - 9:02 am: |
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OK lord Prax, I'll work on it. Like I said, this is war, and if you don't like war, don't get into the conflict. I don't make bargains with doctrines of demons, and I don't try to be pretty about it. |
praxaluh
Junior Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 39
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 7:44 pm: |
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Yes, Majadh, I do hope you will 'work on it'. At the moment you seem to be on the wrong side of battles in the heavenlies. And I am not really talking about your war against HH.
Something top to bottom seems amiss - there is great hubris and imbalance - and I truly hope you can seek more from God and come to a new place in the Lord Jesus.
Yours in Jesus name,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Junior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 49
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 11:09 pm: |
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Prax are you SURE you are on the right side of the battle? |
praxaluh
Junior Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 44
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 3:39 am: |
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Most definitely, Mrs. Alvear. I am first and foremost on the side of fairness and respect towards a dedicated Christian community. The side of acknowledging that they are seeking to bring forth Christian community and fellowship for which the 'church world' has such a deep need.
From that perspective one might discuss this and that, agree or disagree with this and that, look upon HH as either a Holy Spirit move to reach many around the world or an unusual group best suited for some.
However the starting point of real honor and respect is most definitely the right side, the way of peace before the Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen, Mrs. Alvear. I am SURE, fully persuaded and with conviction, that I am on the right side of these battles, the Factnet-HH wars.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 52
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 6:38 am: |
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I am not on a Factnet war with HH. It just happens to be HH is being discussed here mostly by people that were life long members. It is being discussed by people that KNOW what they are talking about. People that KNOW enough that other steps will be taken. Hope you are not left holding the bag. |
usedtobelong
New member
Username: usedtobelong
Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 75.51.55.80
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 1:59 pm: |
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For many years I would have agreed with Prax, until I saw the light. I pray he too will be open minded.
Prax, I know you hold these people in high regard. But, let me pose a question. Just suppose you found out later that things were different than you had believed for many years. If you found out that everything you once saw as beautiful was a lie would you not be disgusted? And, it doesn't have to be HH. Any friendship can seem wonderful, like the best you ever had, and then one day, without warning, you find out the whole thing had been a big lie.
This is what happened to us. We tried to mend the friendship, tried very hard. We prayed, we talked, we loved, and they pushed. We called friends there and wrote letters for many years. Some would talk to us, but they never called us, never tried to reach out to us as we did to them.
I've left other churches Prax. I was never shunned, even after expressing disagreements with their doctrines and practices. The members still invited me over, called me, and we had strong Christian friendships. |