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missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1156
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.88.234
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 4:32 pm: | 
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The following attributes have been documented as fact in relation to Homestead Heritage. You can disagree ‘till the cows come home’ but fact is fact and nothing can change that.
They endorse lying to visitors to protect their image and promote their organization.
They open their doors to the public to fill their pockets but post guards at the entrance to their ‘church’ to stop non-members from attending their worship service. I hesitate to call it a church because of this.
They disown and put out members considering divorce to protect their image to the public. Once divorced, only one of the couple may return with permission.
To join them you must sign a contract vowing to never leave their group; they say to do so will bring the wrath of God upon you.
They do not allow dating and they control who marries whom.
They claim to have special understanding from God and say they think there is other Christians out in the world somewhere they just haven’t found them yet.
Their leader laughs at other churches and condemns most all of them.
Their founder, BA, has two children who ran away from them as soon as they were old enough to leave. Some of his other children are not old enough yet.
Their number two man, HW, has two children who left the group. A third tried to join the military to get away from them but a car accident threw him back into their control.
When a member leaves they crucify the person in front of the congregation and demand no one have anything to do with the person that departed.
There are many other facts but these 10 come to mind at the moment.
I have no earthly ideal who sent me this e mail along with a short letter but the fact remains...to prove this to be a lie?
Dowen where are you and Prax to answer this one???????????????????????????????????????? |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 706
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:28 pm: |
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"The following attributes have been documented as fact in relation to Homestead Heritage."
Fact?
What?
You have no idea who sent you this e-mail, yet you proclaim it as fact. Foolish is the first word that comes to mind.
I could go over your little list, point by point, and refute every one of them, but what good would it do me here. You and the mob assembled here will just do what you do best, discredit and tear me apart. Honestly, I have no desire to pour my heart into writing a post that will be mocked, and ridiculed. I have put up with much from you ML. You have called me names, questioned my manhood, told me to "shut up" etc. etc. Like I told you last week, the days of me answering your hate-ladden bile are over, so please quit challenging me. You have personally turned this place into your own weird version of the National Inquirer. Your words have about as much credit as a supermarket tabloid, so why should I waste my time responding to them?
Please, by all means, continue to post nameless, faceless accusations. All you are doing is kicking your own soapbox right our from beneath yourself. |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 547
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:28 pm: |
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Hi Folks,
Mrs. Alvear ..
'documented as fact... I have no earthly ideal who sent me this e mail along'
Hmm.. that sounds quite strange.
An anonymous letter you receive is 'documented fact' if it is harsh and accusing against HH.
No Mrs. Alvear, you are all mixed up on the basics of integrity and burden of proof. Nobody has a requirement to respond to such a rigged bill of particulars, it simply falls flat.
To a large extent you can always get the spin, perception and agenda of the disaffected. Even every full cup is looked at as half-empty. If the marriages and families are strong and vibrant, let's try to pick at something, anything, to spin. There has to be some motes that we can pull out.
And Mrs. Alvear, much of this stuff above we have gone over before, and I am not into reinventing the discussion wheel. Not much new to be added.
And I have heard much the same type of grievances about various different church and Bible-believing environments, including our denominational oneness folks, the messianics, and of course the historic communitarians like the mennonites ..
'legalist, controlling, religious spirit, dictatorial, insular, condemning of others, doctrinaire, no liberties, disfellowship, authoritarian, standards of man, claim to actually hear from God (amazing .. Christians who actually have a relationship with God!) works salvation .. and much, much more'
The skeptics love this stuff, but usually the worst accusers are those who left fellowship and even abiding faith, and who are lurching wildly, with a type of spiritual drunkenness heading towards a seared conscience. They hope accusations will be a balm. Very sad.
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Now a simple point. I will mention the great respect I have always heard about churches plowing forth in much truth ...
'remove not the ancient landmarks'
Not once have I heard an elder (probably never anybody, but I would have to do deep mental rummaging and we all are human) laugh about Christian fellowships, be they Messianic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Mennonite. Same for those struggling with forms of Judaism, btw.
In fact, the attitude at HH in this regard (and I do not claim that it is perfect, I only share my experience) is, I must say, far more sanctified and respectful than that I have seen in the denominational environments.
Far, far more.
Now folks in HH might point out the problems and concerns when holiness churches go more worldly, there is a real problem. Or the peculiar new and unusual megachurches looking for numbers with drive-in preaching and sky-stabbing steeples, stuff like that. Yet even then .. with a burden, heart and respect that God would reach out, and a more balanced and real Christianity would come forth.
That there would be more than the form of Godliness, also the power thereof.
A deep concern that the holiness of God is tarnished in superficial 'Christendom' .. definitely, and very true .. off-balance laughter or mocking .. nope.
There is one other point on the post I might want to touch, however I think I will stop right here.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 707
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 67.9.93.81
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:29 pm: |
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Ummm, I had no idea Praxaluh was posting much of the same thoughts I had, at exactly the same time...interesting.
DOwen.
(Message edited by dowen on September 05, 2006) |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1159
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.19.42
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 12:22 am: |
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You never heard an elder laugh...My husband and I sat through several services where BA laughed at other movements...while I do not know the sender of the e mail the facts seem all true to me...HH has tarnished the Name of Jesus and the doctrine of the first Chruc...
And Dowen same mind and one accord...little backwoods Arkansas joke one has the mind the other the cord...ha......... |
truth_hunter
Intermediate Member
Username: truth_hunter
Post Number: 294
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.2.84.88
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 7:09 am: |
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I will say all of the "Facts" are facts, and much, much worse than those listed above.
These "leaders"couldn't even lead their own families, I thank God the ones that left did so. Now they have a chance to learn about who God really is. But HH believes their doctrine is true, even if it was, everyone of the top leaders is biblically discredited as a leader being that they couldn't lead their own families. Paul said that a leader should be slow to anger,,,,lol. hmmmmm I wonder if that would include slow to scream, spit, jump up and down, hmmmmm.
(Message edited by truth hunter on September 06, 2006) |
love_everybody
New member
Username: love_everybody
Post Number: 16
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 24.153.210.149
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 1:05 pm: |
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Chipmunks! |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1133
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 201.82.97.10
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 12:28 pm: |
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The following attributes have been documented as fact in relation to Homestead Heritage. You can disagree ‘till the cows come home’ but fact is fact and nothing can change that.
They endorse lying to visitors to protect their image and promote their organization.
They open their doors to the public to fill their pockets but post guards at the entrance to their ‘church’ to stop non-members from attending their worship service. I hesitate to call it a church because of this.
They disown and put out members considering divorce to protect their image to the public. Once divorced, only one of the couple may return with permission.
To join them you must sign a contract vowing to never leave their group; they say to do so will bring the wrath of God upon you.
They do not allow dating and they control who marries whom.
They claim to have special understanding from God and say they think there is other Christians out in the world somewhere they just haven’t found them yet.
Their leader laughs at other churches and condemns most all of them.
Their founder, BA, has two children who ran away from them as soon as they were old enough to leave. Some of his other children are not old enough yet.
Their number two man, HW, has two children who left the group. A third tried to join the military to get away from them but a car accident threw him back into their control.
When a member leaves they crucify the person in front of the congregation and demand no one have anything to do with the person that departed.
There are many other facts but these 10 come to mind at the moment.
I have no earthly ideal who sent me this e mail along with a short letter but the fact remains...to prove this to be a lie?
Dowen where are you and Prax to answer this one???????????????????????????????????????? |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 697
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.153.234.187
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 3:48 pm: |
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ML,
First and foremost, I would suggest you read a little bit about TV news anchor Dan Rather. His downfall was in large part caused by his political bias and agenda, which caused him to toss objectivity and integrity to the wind.
Secondly, it would be impossible for Prax or myself to objectively answer your questions here. No matter what was said, you would resort to your 'below the belt' tactics of personal insults and proclamations of Prax and I being "fools".
Here on FN there is no structured debate, no 'rules of engagement', no chance for either side to permanently rest their case.
FN is the perfect forum for those who love the shady anonymity that the WWW offers. It is the perfect place for WWW gangsters to drive by with guns ablaze, wreak a little havoc, and then with the tip of a hat cruise off into the sunset.
Your above post is an excellent example of 'drive by' WWW thuggery.
As such, it is not worth my time in addressing the issues it raises.
DOwen. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1135
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.62.162
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 4:02 pm: |
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so that means you have no answers...I just had some pastors ask me so I will forward them your answer...since you seem to know all about HH strange you answer no questions...
I would say it is the answer you are afraid of...
Factnet may be the forum for those who love shady anonymity...Prax did get upset because I used his name but You are wrong once again my name is Janice Alvear and everything I have stated here on FN is the truth... |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1136
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.62.162
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 4:25 pm: |
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I have no polital bias or agenda...and my integrity means more to me than anything else. That is why I write here. I will not back away from truth...and what I have said no matter where it has been said is truth...
You and Prax tickle me...Don't even belong to HH...know nothing of what I speak about and are always mouthing off...
I know what I say because I talk about personal experiences with HH.
For truth to be told no one needs structured debate...I doubt if "unlearned" Peter and John knew the rules of debate!
I will not rest my case until truth comes to light...
Factnet has well been worth my time for I have met many people that have confirmed things written here even though they desire not to write here because of family...friends...and this or that... |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 698
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.153.234.187
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 5:25 pm: |
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Sigh.
You know all.
I know nothing.
I am glad I at least bring humour into your life.
As I have told you over and over, I can answer all of your questions. But since you know everything, it would make little difference.
P.S.
You entirely missed my point concerning Dan Rather. Read a little about his career, particularly how and why he fell from grace. Then look at the way you are posting hearsay and rumours about HH.
As my great-grandfather would say, "There is a payday someday". |
praxaluh
Advanced Member
Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 545
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 8:41 pm: |
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Hi Folks,
"love shady anonymity"
As often occurs on this forum Mrs. Alvear looks for some tacky attack mechanism.
Mrs. Alvear, please think a bit. All sorts of folks on all sides of all sorts of issues prefer to keep their name off the Internet for all sorts of reasons, especially in the USA. Sometimes the problems with commercial spam and such or to mitigate stupid harassment or threats from unbalanced unbelievers or a bit of privacy or whatever. Remember I explained this to you privately once.
A while back I made the decision to preserve some privacy and I have never regretted it, although I frequently meet folks or go to conferences or whatever with friends met through the Net. Occasionally I think of switching over to the no-anonymity mode but it hasn't really appealed to me yet.
Please notice that I have never criticized foreverhis or truth_hunter or ART or under_grace or others on this anonymity issue and I have defended the right to leave ones full given name off of Internet forums in general and Factnet in particular.
And who I am is no secret to you and I am quite sure most all the disaffected (some will remember me, some will not as I go back a few years) ..
And that is actually quite fine by me ... you are welcome to share away -- off the Net -- Prax is Max Cadiddlehopper who lived in HH in such and such years and worked on this and came in there and was involved on that and is good friends with whomever and likes Israeli and Thai food and you can write him at this email etc.
And similarly some friends of HH and folks in HH know who I am .. they appreciate that I am willing to take a little flak to simply speak with some care and balance.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1137
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.87.96
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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I have posted no rumors. What I said I saw I saw...and I checked out things that were sent to me through the mail and up to this point everything has been true. Some things are still being checked out by sources but whatever I wrote concerning my family or churches is true,
Neither am I attacking You Praxaluh it was Daniel that brought the subject up. I used you as an example...of course there are others.
I am just saying what Daniel said is not true.
And yes, Daniel there will be a payday...God will not only asked who we saved but He also knows who we have destroyed...the list for HH is quite long on the destroying part...If they have saved any we will find that out on that day also... |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1138
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.87.96
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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care and balance? I am surprized and so are several that read your writings that you would take up for a place where families are divided, lies are told, people are mistreated in the Name of the will of God...
I am sure HH appreciates anyone that would take up for them but you would not be so hasty with praise if you lived under their system.. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1139
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.87.96
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 3:25 pm: |
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care and balance? I am surprized and so are several that read your writings that you would take up for a place where families are divided, lies are told, people are mistreated in the Name of the will of God...
I am sure HH appreciates anyone that would take up for them but you would not be so hasty with praise if you lived under their system.. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 1540
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.147.103.42
| | Posted on Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 8:03 am: |
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