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     greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 92 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.236.95.195 |
TITLE: “What’s The Book For You?” (PART 1) John 14:21; John 15:10; James 3:1-18; Matthew 15:17-20; Luke 6:41-46; Romans 1:28-32; Romans 13:8-10 et al. Also see http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=186562#POST186562 and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=194528#POST194528 et al hyperlinks. WARNING: This latest series of greg_s posts consists entirely of code (as have all greg_s posts to date). This is according to the ExNTCC definition of code. The ExNTCC definition of code is as follows: Anything said they don’t like. This, coincidentally, is also how ExNTCC historically has established what is an extra-Biblical rule or doctrine. The data contained in and premise of this latest incontrovertible post is compiled from various readily available independent public sources using standard/basic investigative methods and logic. SOME THINGS SHOULD BE A GIVEN: Sister Tracy started another weblog (http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/) on 3 August 2006. This one titled “The Bible: That’s The Book For Me!” This is a side previously unseen in Sister Tracy in her ExNTCC persona. I assumed that this should be a given for any real Christian so it is notable that Sister Tracy would posit TB:TTBFM!. Did any of us doubt this? Is there any evidence to suggest otherwise? Has Sister Tracy’s professed love for God’s New Testament Law ever been called into question? This latest weblog of Sister Tracy could have been more appropriately titled…”The Bible As An After Thought!” for all of the following reasons et al. All appeals to Sister Tracy and her fellow Ex’r Staff members to end all attacks against the part of the Body of Christ that is our Christian Church sighting Biblical grounds have gone unheeded by Sister Tracy and the rest of the Ex’r Staff to date. As we have all seen thus far the Ex’r Staff consider their collective case against my Christian Church as an extenuating case and therefore precluding the application of certain parts/aspects of God’s New Testament Law. (See verses and hyperlinks in title above et al.) I followed the hyperlink to Sister Tracy’s latest weblog with interest and anticipation and/but arrived at a sight with a now all too familiar look and feel. I arrived at TB:TTBFM! reasonably expecting to find a celebration of and for God’s New Testament Law. But instead we mostly found a celebration of Sister Tracy’s past (over seventeen years ago) triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) in God. This is fine, Sister Tracy has a wonderful testimony from over seventeen years ago but Sister Tracy had already related her personal testimony about her triumphant (2 Corinthians 2:14) times in the Philippines (over 17 years ago) and New York City (over 20 years ago) in pro-NTCC posts on FACTNet, ExNTCC entries on another of her weblogs and now entries on this, her newest weblog (John 7:18; 1 Corinthians 13:1-3). So the TB:TTBFM! weblog title led us to reasonable expect something different. Sister Tracy starts off on TB:TTBFM! with ‘Please: Don’t Blame God’ which is primarily about…her past triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) in the Philippines (We have heard this before...we get it, really; although again, it is a wonderful testimony.) over seventeen years ago. “WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” (PART 1) CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 93 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.236.95.195 |
“WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” (PART 1) CONTINUED: Sister Tracy’s next entry on TB:TTBFM! is titled ‘True Love’ and is primarily about…her past triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) in the Philippines over seventeen years ago. Sister Tracy’s third entry on TB:TTBFM titled ‘The Word of God’ is about God’s New Testament Law but also about her…past triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) in New York City (We have heard this before…we get it, really; although again, it is a wonderful testimony.) over twenty years ago. Sister Tracy’s next and last substantive entry (to 4 September 2006) on TB:TTBFM! Is titled ‘Desire the Sincere Milk of the Word.’ This is largely a grouping of copied and pasted Bible verses chosen from among the ‘word’ et al entries in a concordance. This is fine (as simplistic an approach as this is it is, after all, Sister Tracy’s weblog) but far from a celebration of God’s New Testament Law. The second half of Sister Tracy’s ‘Desire the Sincere Milk of the Word’ is right on the money and what one would expect when arriving at a weblog entitled TB:TTBFM! The question could reasonably be asked do a few paragraphs warrant a weblog? My answer to that would be it doesn’t matter, it is Sister Tracy’s weblog and if you don’t like it don’t visit it. Personally (for the foreseeable future) I plan to visit often and observe her progress and will anticipate maybe even read something edifying like her WOG entry and her DTSMOTW entry…Sister Tracy’s lone entries relevant to TB:TTBFM!. “WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” CONTINUED BELOW… TITLE: “What’s The Book For You?” (PART 2) BIBLE LOVE BY THE NUMBERS: Sister Tracy’s last entry on TB:TTBFM! was 17 August 2006. Before 17 August 2006 what was Sister Tracy’s public online activity? Fifty-eight (58) posts to FACTNet and starting three weblogs with much content (this includes TB:TTBFM!). This averages out to five tenths (.5 or one-half) posts per day, every day, in the six month period that Sister Tracy’s FACTNet account has been activated. This would equal one post every other day, without fail, in a six month period. These statistics do not count any of Sister Tracy’s now not so secret ntcc_support@yahoogroups.com activity or any of Sister Tracy’s other ExNTCC public and private internet activity (e-mail et al). The one exception to the previous ‘much content’ observation is Sister Tracy’s newest weblog that we are discussing titled TB:TTBFM!. Again, the content (two articles) it does contain relevant to the title TB:TTBFM! largely consists of copying and pasting miscellaneous Bible verses. I know it looks like more but that is due to a large font and/or generous spacing. Sister Tracy’s lone entries (two of seven) relevant to the title TB:TTBFM: are only 3616 words out of a total of 6939 (as of 17 August 2006) words. This is only about fifty-two (52) percent. Not bad, but not exactly a celebration of God’s New Testament Law either. Most of the narratives (five of the seven) contained in Sister Tracy’s weblog titled TB:TTBFM! are mostly unrelated to any subjects relevant to the weblogs title and stated purpose…except for maybe classifying Sister Tracy entry(s) about…her past Philippines (over 17 years ago) triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) and past New York City (over 20 years ago) triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) as ‘articulating the Bible.’ Sister Tracy’s main content on this, her newest weblog, relates to what she has done for God in her past (articulating the Bible) over seventeen years ago. “WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” (PART 2) CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 94 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.236.95.195 |
“WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” (PART 2) CONTINUED: Sister Tracy’s latest weblog (TB:TTBFM!) received its first offering on 3 August 2006 and as we shared above Sister Tracy’s last entry was 17 August 2006…it is now 4 October 2006, this is a grand total of seven entries in thirty-one days. Again, three of the seven entries relate to…her past triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) in the Philippines (over 17 years ago) and New York City (over 20 years ago). These seven entries constitute a thirty-one day average of two tenths (.2) entries per day on TB:TTBFM!. Not anywhere near as high an average as her FACTNet et al posting 180 day average of five tenths (.5 or one-half) posts per day but a pretty good start. Although, a Christian that has all of the love for God’s word that Sister Tracy is promoting herself as having by the premise of TB:TTBFM! would not be getting off to a slow start. What about Sister Tracy’s average posts per day on FACTNet et all during this, her hiatus from TB:TTBFM!. Since 17 August 2006 (her last TB:TTBFM! entry date) what has Sister Tracy been doing publicly elsewhere on the internet? Well in the nineteen days from 17 August 2006 to 4 September 2006 Sister Tracy has posted eighty-nine (89) posts to FACTNet; four (not counting moderated comments) entries to her weblog that’s titled “what women see in ntcc”; five (not counting moderated comments) entries to her weblog that’s titled “NOT New Testament Christian Churches of America”. This averages out to a very telling 5 post per day, every day for nineteen (19) days. This far outstrips Sister Tracy’s presence on TB:TTBFM!. Again, these past triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) of Sister Tracy’s, all over 17 years ago, have been related on FACTNet by Sister Tracy before her change of mind and on another weblog of hers since her change of mind and now on her latest (TB:TTBFM!) weblog since her latest change of mind. (James 1:8; James 4:8) Could we reasonable classify Sister Tracy’s latest weblog titled TB:TTBFM! as merely another temporary change of mind? It appears that way. From 17 August 2006 to 4 September 2006 she has been exclusively on FACTNet and her other two weblogs and conspicuously absent in entering content into her TB:TTBFM! weblog. I/we have been told to disregard any pro-NTCC Pelfrey posts posted by any Pelfrey by the Pelfrey’s as being merely wrong. Since this was a blanket statement and not qualified in anyway it includes Sister Tracy’s past Philippines (over 17 years ago) triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) and past New York City (over 20 years ago) triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) as she related them when she was a part of the Body of Christ that is my Christian Church. Since Sister Tracy and Brother Brian insist on this we must classify Sister Tracy’s New York City and Philippine Islands testimony, on her newest weblog, on another of her weblogs, and on FACTNet about her same past triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) in God from over seventeen years ago as wrong. Sister Tracy’s triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) in the Philippines (over 17 years ago) and New York City (over 20 years ago), that she has related to us on at least three separate occasions, are just wrong. In what way I don’t know but according to Sister Tracy and Brother Brian they are wrong. Our hope is that Sister Tracy would please amend this statement and allow these accounts from over 17 years ago to stand as gospel. This would be our desire…they are beautiful and inspiring testimonies from Sister Tracy’s past. “WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 95 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.236.95.195 |
TITLE: “What’s The Book For You?” (PART 3) MERELY A BRIEF RESPITE FROM HER ATTACKS?: Some would classify Sister Tracy’s testimonies about these events in her life from seventeen plus years ago as self aggrandizing but that is not necessarily the case and they must be taken at face value even though disregarded by edict. I am sure Sister Tracy’s desire is to not be considered guileful in her presentation of past events from her life. Since research always yields data which leads to a conclusion (not always a correct conclusion) we present the following: Sister Tracy states that her ‘new’ weblog is “A place to examine the Bible. A place to celebrate the Bible. A place to articulate the Bible. It is my belief that you just can't get enough of God's Holy, Inspired WORD! I pray that if you don't feel the same way...you will...and soon!” To this we say Glory. I’ll check back later to see if this becomes a reality on Sister Tracy’s newest weblog after her hiatus. Until such time I have to classify Sister Tracy’s latest weblog as what the evidence incontrovertibly shows…an after thought. If you also would like to visit/keep visiting TB:TTBFM! for any indication of relevant progress by Sister Tracy on Sister Tracy’s latest project here is the link again…http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/. I know Sister Tracy declares TB:TTBFM! as the title her newest weblog for God but will the Bible receive equal time? We can only hope and assume it may now…now that this incontrovertible data is posted. This series of post may be just the impetus Sister Tracy needs to begin to convincingly make her case that the Bible is the book for her. We all get motivation from various sources. Whatever it takes, right? Although, she may need to enlist help from the Ex’r Staff to match her other voluminous solo internet attack activity. But all this doesn’t change the evidence that inspired the title and need for this piece. Since research always yields data which leads to a conclusion (not always a correct conclusion) we had to ask the question; what is the book for Sister Tracy? Again, on FACTNet alone Sister Tracy posted eighty-nine (89) posts in the nineteen days since her last entry on TB:TTBFM!...again, this amounts to a very telling five per day average. It is also instructive that the “Links” hyperlink on TB:TTBFM! weblog are hyperlinks to all of Sister Tracy’s past/present attack haunts (FACTNet et al). Sister Tracy’s interests show themselves to be truly one dimensional. Only anti-NTCC attack hyperlinks front and center on TB:TTBFM! No hyperlinks to anything Bible related? I Googled “The Bible: That’s the Book for Me!” and was rewarded with 13,800,000 choices. So the lack of any hyperlinks that are not attacks against my Christian Church on Sister Tracy’s pro-Bible (?) weblog is not from lack of other better options. A very preliminary cursory examination showed Sister Tracy’s newest weblog as nowhere to be found among the 13,800,000 choices. A much narrower search (using The Bible: That’s the Book for Me!) using the I Power Blogger search engine yielded only four choice of which Sister Tracy’s newest weblog was conspicuously absent. “WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” (PART 3) CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 96 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.236.95.195 |
“WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” (PART 3) CONTINUED: Sister Tracy’s professed public love for God’s New Testament Law is just not on the radar. (James 3:10; James 3:12 et al) Can anyone conceive of Jesus telling Sister Tracy she is without guile? Everything about Sister Tracy, as an Ex’r thus far, is tied to attack (James 4:11; Matthew 12:33-37; Titus 3:1-3; James 1:19-20 et al). END OF END OF “WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” (PARTS 1, 2 AND 3) Yours truly (only in as much as you and yours may be in Christ), Brother Greg (Mine Honor is Loyalty) BONUS HYPERLINKS: http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=187759#POST187759 and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=175219#POST175219. | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 97 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.236.95.195 |
ADDENDUM TO “WHAT’S THE BOOK FOR YOU?” (PARTS 1, 2 AND 3)…Another visit to Sister Tracy’s weblog titled TB:TTBFM yielded some interesting results. Sister Tracy has entered additional content as of 4 September 2006. This latest single entry of Sister Tracy’s lowered her percentages. The lone entries (two of now eight) relevant to the title TB:TTBFM! are 3616 words out of a new total of 8730 (as of 4 September 2006) words. This yielded a new total of about fourty-one (41) percent of TB:TTBFM!’s content being relevant to its title…down from about fifty-two (52) percent; a loss of over ten (10) percentage points from just one entry. All other percentages and averages sighted above remain unchanged (we are rounding to the nearest whole percentage point). Not bad, but this is still not an indication of a celebration of God’s New Testament Law. Sister Tracy’s latest 4 September 2006 TB:TTBFM! entry is from an excellent book (based on what she has copied thus far onto TB:TTBFM!...I hope she tells us the title) on marriage which morphs into Sister Tracy teaching on bad churches and no neccessity for churches then has one Bible verse at the end. Also, Sister Tracy’s newest entry to TB:TTBFM! and her newest entries/reasons to her other two (2) weblogs for God do not affect the significant implication of Sister Tracy posting eight-nine (89) posts to FACTNet during the last nineteen (19) days. Sister Tracy was able to post eighty-nine (89) posts to FACTNet in spite of all she professes, on another weblog, to have had going on (a clear contradiction). During the past nineteen (19) days Sister Tracy’s family, two other weblogs and FACTNet (eighty-nine posts) have not been neglected but TB:TTBFM! has. We all make time for what is really important to us and sometimes what we make time for doesn’t match what we say is important to us (Matthew 15:8; Mark 7:6; 1 Peter 3:10-11). Based on this and the above incontrovertible evidence TB:TTBFM! is merely the most recent of many examples of actions/works not matching words. Again, based on all evidence to date, Sister Tracy’s most recent weblog for God would be more accurately titled “The Bible As An After Thought!” Adieu. Brother Greg | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 141 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 69.221.138.153 |
Greg Said: Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:03 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TITLE: “What’s The Book For You?” (PART 1) John 14:21; John 15:10; James 3:1-18; Matthew 15:17-20; Luke 6:41-46; Romans 1:28-32; Romans 13:8-10 et al. Also see http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=186562#POST186562 and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=194528#POST194528 et al hyperlinks. WARNING: This latest series of greg_s posts consists entirely of code (as have all greg_s posts to date). This is according to the ExNTCC definition of code. The ExNTCC definition of code is as follows: Anything said they don’t like. This, coincidentally, is also how ExNTCC historically has established what is an extra-Biblical rule or doctrine. The data contained in and premise of this latest incontrovertible post is compiled from various readily available independent public sources using standard/basic investigative methods and logic. SOME THINGS SHOULD BE A GIVEN: Sister Tracy started another weblog (http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/) on 3 August 2006. This one titled “The Bible: That’s The Book For Me!” This is a side previously unseen in Sister Tracy in her ExNTCC persona. I assumed that this should be a given for any real Christian so it is notable that Sister Tracy would posit TB:TTBFM!. Did any of us doubt this? Is there any evidence to suggest otherwise? Has Sister Tracy’s professed love for God’s New Testament Law ever been called into question? This latest weblog of Sister Tracy could have been more appropriately titled…”The Bible As An After Thought!” for all of the following reasons et al. All appeals to Sister Tracy and her fellow Ex’r Staff members to end all attacks against the part of the Body of Christ that is our Christian Church sighting Biblical grounds have gone unheeded by Sister Tracy and the rest of the Ex’r Staff to date....." {plus a BUNCH of other stuff} Tracy Says: I couldn't get past the first few paragraphs without stopping to make something perfectly clear. The "Bible blog"...has nothing in the world to do with NTCC. Nothing. Nada. Zero. It has to do with the Bible. That is that. It is something...outside of NTCC and Ex-NTCC. I thought I made that clear when I first posted it. I'm sorry if it was not. Thanks, Tracy {not part of any NTCC staff...where you get that from...I sure can't tell} | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 142 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 69.221.138.153 |
I must add something to my post above...and that is this: The B-I-B-L-E, yes, that's the book for me. I stand alone on the word of God, the B-I-B-L-E. I was involved in children's church for so long, that when it came time to name this blog...which was simply going to be a way to celebrate God's Word...and what is within the pages of the Bible...what naturally came to my mind were the words to this song. I did not name it The B-I-B-L-E, because I thought it would be too awkward...with all of the dashes. Thanks... just wanted to futher clarify. Tracy | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 98 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.236.95.195 |
TITLE: “Huh?” or “What’s The Book For You?” continued. As you can see above Sister Tracy recently made some more appearances on FACTNet. This brings Sister Tracy’s nineteen (19) day FACTNet attack total to ninety-one (91) posts with no comparable corresponding activity on TB:TTBFM!. In Sister Tracy’s most recent offering on FACTNet above she says…”I couldn't get past the first few paragraphs without stopping to make something perfectly clear. The "Bible blog"...has nothing in the world to do with NTCC. Nothing. Nada. Zero. It has to do with the Bible. That is that. It is something...outside of NTCC and Ex-NTCC. I thought I made that clear when I first posted it.” Sister Tracy should have gotten past the first few paragraphs and kept reading before she posted this. No where in the above posts do we state or insinuate that TB:TTBFM! has anything to do with the ‘to NTCC or not to NTCC’ debate. But we do unequivocally state and insinuate that TB:TTBFM! has little to do with its title and stated purpose and therefore little to do with love for God’s New Testament Law. We deal with the fact that the title and premise of Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God is mostly misleading with regards to the content thus far. This technique Sister Tracy employs is also called ‘bait and switch.’ That is why, after reviewing all the evidence above, we suggested the more apt name of “The Bible As An After Thought!” for Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God. But since Sister Tracy has decided to intentionally misunderstand we will restate the obvious even more clearly as follows: The majority of the content on TB:TTBFM! amounts to a not so subtle self promotion of Sister Tracy by Sister Tracy and not a promotion of the Bible as the book for anyone. We are not saying Sister Tracy’s original intent was to promote her past triumphs in God but that is what we all mostly ended up with. I will also point out again that all of the seven hyperlinks that are so prominently and artfully (nice font) displayed next to any given days most recent entry on TB:TTBFM! are all hyperlinks to areas of the internet that historically have been primarily used by Ex’r Staff to attack the part of the Body of Christ that is my Christian Church. So the question still remains will Sister Tracy be able to convincingly make the case that the Bible is the book for her? Time will tell and many of us will be watching. Again here is the http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/ to TB:TTBFM! (Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God.) in case you care to join the gadflies in the peanut gallery. Mine Honor Is Loyalty, Brother Greg | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 143 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 69.221.132.125 |
Greg has brought up a great point. And I'm grateful to him for that. I had someone help me with Links on the blogs. But, I didn't want any links on the Bible Blog. I couldn't figure out why Greg had something to say about that particular one, and then this morning, I went over there to post something...and saw there were Links. I had not taken notice of them before. They kind of blend in with the archives. I am so grateful. Really Greg. I mean it. I don't want links to all of this other stuff there. So very, very thankful, Tracy No problem with the person who helped me. She did not know. As soon as I figure out how to delete them...they are history. | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 144 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 69.221.132.125 |
The links are deleted. Thanks to you Greg...I've learned how to read enough HTML to know where to delete the links. I am so thankful to you. I haven't read all of your posts...yet. But, I read enough to cause me to wonder what in the world your problem was...and that wonderment caused me to see the blog with the links on it. It really disgusts me that I didn't catch it myself. Tracy | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 92 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.236.95.241 |
TITLE: “They Know It But Won’t Show (Admit/Acknowledge) It” (10/6/06) …but what is inside an Ex’r is publicly revealed on the internet on a regular basis to any that care to look and are able to add two plus two together equaling four. WARNING: Another greg_s post consisting entirely of code (as have all greg_s posts to date). This is according to the ExNTCC definition of code. The ExNTCC definition of code is as follows: Anything said they don’t like. This, coincidentally, is also how ExNTCC historically has established what is an extra-Biblical rule or doctrine. MERELY DOUBLE MINDED (JAMES 1:8/JAMES 4:8): Above we see that Sister Tracy doesn’t want hyperlinks to any Ex’r Staff’s previous internet activity coupled with TB:TTBFM! (Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God). Why is this? Ex’r Staff (Sister Tracy included) have averred that their internet conduct/mission is in harmony with God’s New Testament Law, is for/is from/is of God, does no harm anyone and/or will only help new and old Christians, non-Christians and/or God alike. To date the Body of Christ hasn’t bought into this and at least Sister Tracy does not either as is evidenced by Sister Tracy’s action of distancing/isolating TB:TTBFM! from all previous Ex’r Staff offerings. I will also echo Sister Tracy’s above sentiment/action that the content (“…all this other stuff…”) of the Ex’r Staff’s sites hyperlinks that Sister Tracy originally hyperlinked to on TB:TTBFM! does not belong on any site having to do with the Bible (or even TB:TTBFM! which mostly relates to the Bible only by its title and stated purpose). I also am disgusted that Sister Tracy didn’t catch it herself (see…we can agree). Above Sister Tracy provides further evidence that Ex’r Staff routinely see the problem as with others only and this usually in a knee jerk manner (Sister Tracy states…”But, I read enough to cause me to wonder what in the world your problem was…”). Regardless of any consensus to the contrary James 1:8 (unstable), James 4:8 (impure) et al applies to Sister Tracy also and not just to the rest of us. This concept is developed more fully in “Will The Real Sister Tracy Please Stand” et al coming soon (maybe) below. Again, here is the http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/ to TB:TTBFM! (Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God). See TB:TTBFM! for yourself, if you haven’t already. TB:TTBFM! is proving to be very instructive. CLARIFICATION: Sister Tracy must have me confused with someone else. For the record I have never taught Sister Tracy anything about reading HTML but maybe she is learning other things from/about me on FACTNet...time will tell. Also, I am the Greg S that posts on FACTNet as greg_s. greg_s (gadflying in the peanut gallery) | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 141 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.14.82 |
Greg, I'm sorry... But I think you have misunderstood what I wrote. It's probably just my poor writing skills. Since others understood... I have to assume there are other things at work here than just a misunderstanding of what I've written. Thanks heaps, Tracy | ||
| wsc35 New member Username: wsc35 Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2006 Posted From: 172.148.101.217 |
Quote from greg_s "Ex’r Staff (Sister Tracy included) have averred that their internet conduct/mission is in harmony with God’s New Testament Law, is for/is from/is of God, does no harm anyone and/or will only help new and old Christians, non-Christians and/or God alike." Just for the record I am not on any staff. I don't even know the exmembers on here except for one and he probably doesn't remember me. We do not have a group intent nor doctrine nor mission. We are individuals which think and speak for ourselves. I am not accountable for what anyone else says on here and they are not accountable for what I say. There are some other posts on here that are pretty interesting if you would like to engage in mature discussion and reasoning about scripture. To focus on the more important points brought up on Facnet would be refreshing and I welcome your input. Not to intrude upon this thread but I felt it important to comment on the above posted quote. | ||
| mklo Intermediate Member Username: mklo Post Number: 270 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.185.114.218 |
Dittos. But don't hold your breath on the "mature discussion" thing, wsc35. Numerous ex-members have been soliciting this for a long time, but to no avail. Judging by the sudden termination of virtually all NTCC participation on this forum, I suspect that they've been directed by their leader to discontinue. | ||
| bro_derrick Advanced Member Username: bro_derrick Post Number: 740 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.212.57.50 |
True: and a breath of fresh air it is. Now if one disagrees with another, it is based on sincere differences, rather than standard loyalties. Give me a sincere dissent from leftin91 any day, to challenge my own beliefs, rather than an insincere effort to dominate and disrupt for the sake of the loyalty agenda. This ties into the Bible being the Book for us: Leftin91 and I can dispute in the Scriptures to a large degree, before we may come to a final disagreement. Such sincere disputing challenges my own knowledge of the Word of God and the truth of Jesus' faith. I therefore respect and apreciate leftin91's sincerity and effort to teach the Bible as it is written. (Though I am naturally frustrated when someone doesn't readily agree with me! But then I must crucify my own flesh and pride...) However, it is the agenda-pushers that are fruitless to dispute with, because they either have no Scripture, or they obviously wrest the Scripture to their own advantage: They have no sincerity in the truth of God, but rather only the drive to establish the righteousness of their Leaders, their church, and so themselves over all others. It's the same spirit of error that liberals have concerning morality and politics: They have no real and honest regard for personal welfare and national security, but only for their own agenda of self-justification and dominion over others... The good heart is an honest heart first! (Luke 8:15) Dishonest intent can never have place in the kingdom of God, because there is no forgiveness without honest confession from the heart first. (Rom 10:10)(1 John 1:9)(1 John 5:16,17) Personal agendas are the substance of dishonesty, and loyalty is it's evidence. | ||
| wsc35 New member Username: wsc35 Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2006 Posted From: 172.148.101.217 |
How sad. I had wondered if that might be the case as I have noticed the lack of participation from current members. It might be more peaceful but "it's quiet...too quiet" Just kidding. It certainly won't be as interesting without their input. I know they lurk on here and read the posts though as I have received email from them to my email address that I put on the keeping in touch thread. Sheeesh if they're going to read the posts they might as well chip in and keep things lively. I guess freedom of speech is subject to leadership approval in NTCC? Maybe someone high up realized how foolish they were looking by the things that members and leaders said on here and axed it. Also, I am sure they don't want new members and people just starting to "get in" to know this site exists. Maybe someday HOP will allow their members to have internet, most of the members I knew went with Denis in the split, and I would love an opportunity to have some discussions with them. I won't hold my breath though, and I will keep posting because I know there are people reading that are afraid to post, and any out there that want to, feel free to email me, I won't disclose who you are, if you want to talk. Please no personal attacks, I will just delete them. My email is warrencon7001@aol.com Warren | ||
| victorjohanson Intermediate Member Username: victorjohanson Post Number: 466 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.223.233.130 |
In case you haven't seen it, the HOP thread is at http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/17854.html?1157939243 . But there isn't much going on over there. | ||
| forever_his_child Member Username: forever_his_child Post Number: 53 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 4.254.223.166 |
Oh yes, I'm sure there are many, many pro-NTCC'ers that read Factnet and the blogs and probably ITCH like crazy to comment, but don't or can't. Then again, there are a few that still persist to comment on the blogs...they are probably just bored, I guess.  | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 94 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
TITLE: “Statistics Update” (10/13/06) STATISTICS UPDATE: As of 11 October 2006, out of 17,978 words on TB:TTBFM!, 3616 relate directly to any type of celebration of God’s New Testament Law. This brings Sister Tracy’s percentages down to just over 20 percent of the content of TB:TTBFM! relating directly to this weblogs title and stated purpose since its inception on 3 August 2006. This charitably includes the verses Sister Tracy copies and pastes onto TB:TTBFM! otherwise her percentages on TB:TTBFM! would be much lower than 20 percent. Sister Tracy’s content/percentages showing the Bible as the book for her are persistently abysmal to date. Adieu. | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 97 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
TITLE: “Statistics Update” (10/20/06) STATISTICS UPDATE: As of 18 October 2006 Sister Tracy finally posted another entry onto TB:TTBFM!. So now out of 19,610 words on TB:TTBFM! still only 3616 words relate directly to any type of celebration of God’s New Testament Law. This brings Sister Tracy’s percentages down again to just over 18 percent of the content of TB:TTBFM! relating directly to this weblogs title and stated purpose since its inception on 3 August 2006. This charitably includes the verses Sister Tracy copies and pastes onto TB:TTBFM! otherwise her percentages on TB:TTBFM! would be very much lower than 20 percent. Sister Tracy’s numbers/statistics/content showing the Bible as the book for her are persistently abysmal to date. But, Sister Tracy does manage a celebration of her past (over seventeen years ago) triumphs (2 Corinthians 2:14) in God that she had not related to us before (what this latest entry mainly consist of). Again, this is fine, Sister Tracy continues to have a wonderful testimony from over seventeen years ago but the title and stated purpose of Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God advertises that we can come to it anticipating joining in a celebration of God’s New Testament Law. But you can decide for yourself what all of Sister Tracy’s hoopla is really all about…here is the hyperlink: http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/ THIS IS MORE LIKE IT: Sister Tracy’s entry of 18 October 2006 contains 128 words that solidly approach being a celebration of God’s word. But, as is usually the case with Sister Tracy thus far she quotes someone else’s celebration/inspiration. We will quote them anyway as follows: “She now had the window open...to let in the light. The shell had been broken, and she could eat the kernel. The curtain had been pushed aside...and she could now look into God's Most Holy Word...and into the Most Holy Place. The cover of the well had been removed, and she could drink the water...to quench her thirst. I think it is a natural result of those which dwell with an abundance of any resource...to take it for granted. But, please, when you are brought unto the fountains of living water...which ye digged not...DO NOT CAST EARTH INTO THEM. Don't close your Bible and leave it somewhere...never to be opened. Never to shed the light of Glory upon your life.” See what we mean!...excellent!...inspiring!…spiritual poetry!…superb!…and mostly copied. Alas, this is merely another copy and paste by Sister Tracy of someone else’s celebration of God’s word et al so these 128 words have to go to the ‘not applicable to TB:TTBFM!’s title and stated purpose’ side of the equation so as to accurately reflect Sister Tracy’s percentages. Here’s to Sister Tracy continuing to give this project the old non-accredited college try. BLNT. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE: We are hoping that Sister Tracy will eventually be able to pull herself out of this tailspin and begin to be born aloft by/in the Spirit of God’s Word. Adieu. | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 99 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
TITLE: “Statistics Update” (10/21/06) STATISTICS UPDATE: As of 21 October 2006 Sister posted another entry onto TB:TTBFM! This is much better, this entry only took her 3 days as opposed to her usual (as of late) week or more between single posts onto TB:TTBFM!. So now out of a new total of 19,758 words onto TB:TTBFM!, still only 3616 words relate directly to any type of celebration of God’s New Testament Law. This brings Sister Tracy’s percentages down but still just over 18 percent of the content of TB:TTBFM! relate directly to TB:TTBFM!’s title and stated purpose since its inception on 3 August 2006 (82 days and 21 total entries). This charitably includes the verses Sister Tracy copies and pastes onto TB:TTBFM! otherwise her percentages for TB:TTBFM! would be lower than 18 percent. I found some math errors in our “Statistics Update” dated 10/20/06 that was posted on 21 October 2006 which have all been corrected in this post…but they were minor so Sister Tracy’s percentages still remain at just over 18 percent (I may be posting our formulas for calculating in a later post to aid in verifying my provided statistics). We are still counting Sister Tracy’s copy and paste of Bible verses onto her plus side but we may change this in the future which will naturally bring her percentages down some more. The reason for this is the Bible does celebrate itself but Sister Tracy has made very clear, numerous times, that TB:TTBFM! will be Sister Tracy’s public celebration of God’s New Testament Law. Sister Tracy’s content/percentages showing the Bible as the book for her are still persistently abysmal to date. Check it out at http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/ (Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God). Adieu. Meine Ehre heißt Treue, greg_s | ||
| greg_s Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 100 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
In the interest of speaking truth publicly we would like to make the following corrections to the first two sentences of my above post: As of 20 October 2006 (replaces 21 October 2006) Sister Tracy posted another entry onto TB:TTBFM!. This is much better, this entry only took her 2 days (replaces 3 days) as opposed to her usual (as of late) week or more between single posts onto TB:TTBFM!. | ||
| mklo Intermediate Member Username: mklo Post Number: 271 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.185.124.138 |
Greg, is that really the strongest point you can make? And btw, your mantra of "God's New Testament Law" is surely revealing to the casual reader. Why are your ranks shrinking? And why are The Rules changing? | ||
| frankly Member Username: frankly Post Number: 88 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.188.138.185 |
They have to keep the ones that are still in. They can't do that by maintaining the same strict man made rules; so they let them use the internet, watch dvd's, fellowship without asking. Now they have some new freedom so they don't ask as many questions. | ||
| sammyrooster Member Username: sammyrooster Post Number: 86 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 71.11.157.89 |
Sammy Here: Why are your ranks shrinking? And why are The Rules changing? This is a lie! | ||
| frankly Member Username: frankly Post Number: 89 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.188.138.185 |
So you are saying that you can't watch dvd's? and you can't use the internet? and you still need permission to fellowship with each other? | ||
| sammyrooster Member Username: sammyrooster Post Number: 87 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 71.11.157.89 |
Sammy Here: I am saying I can do as I please, with who I please, when I please, if I please. And the ranks are not shrinking. | ||
| frankly Member Username: frankly Post Number: 90 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.188.138.185 |
So the rules have changed, Thanks Sammy, you have answered well. | ||
| frankly Member Username: frankly Post Number: 91 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.188.138.185 |
Sammy, Something I didn't notice. (forgive me, I'm not the most intelligent person on here) You said that a question was a lie. That is very interesting. A question is just that, a question. So if I were to ask is it raining today? That could be a lie? This is new knowledge indeed. In the same way I could ask Has the military reduced it's ranks over the last 15 years, this too is a lie? It is a question. A question. Now the one who gets defensive over a question generally has something to hide. What is it you are trying to hide or protect? Thank you so much for informing us Sammy. | ||
| justasking New member Username: justasking Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 66.173.149.225 |
I know in the NTCC that I attended, You are still suppose to get permission from the pastor to fellowship. This includes babyshowers, women fellowships, etc. The Pastor even states this when they are about to leave for conference. You are urged to stay at home & pray. Movies are still preached against but the internet is ok (as long as it doesn't put you in a battle)LOL. | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 101 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
TITLE: “Support What You Say…Please?” (Drafted 9/5/06 with some provided statistics updated and minor editing to incorporate current Ex’r Staff trends.) WARNING: Another greg_s posts consisting entirely of code (as have all greg_s posts to date). This is according to the ExNTCC definition of code. The ExNTCC definition of code is as follows: Anything said they don’t like. This, coincidentally, is also how ExNTCC historically has established what is an extra-Biblical (extra-God’s-New-Testament-Law) rule or doctrine. The data contained in and premise of this latest incontrovertible post is compiled from various readily available independent public sources using standard/basic investigative methods and logic. Put another way the below and above greg_s post’s are based on the content of http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com (Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God). SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE: Sister Tracy started a page on 20 August 2006 (during her ongoing/persistent hiatus from TB:TTBFM! sans her intermittent appearances) on FACTNet titled “Support What You Say…Please.” (See http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/23662.html?1156444951 hyperlink.) This is not an unreasonable request from Sister Tracy. This has been a part of our position all along…say what you want, but just support what you say without the usual Ex’r Staff supposition and innuendo (See above and below Ex’r Staff offerings). Then there is the enduring leading issue of not just supporting what you say but ensuring what you say is in agreement with what God’s New Testament Law says regarding what, when, how and if we should or should not say things. Is this an unreasonable expectation toward Sister Tracy who professes such public love for God’s New Testament Law? (Compare Sister Tracy’s public internet conduct with the following verses: John 14:21; John 15:10; 1 John 5:2-3; James 3:1-18; Matthew 15:17-20; Luke 6:41-46; Romans 1:28-32; Romans 13:8-10; James 1:8; James 4:8; James 3:10; James 3:12; James 4:11; Matthew 12:33-37; Titus 3:1-3; James 1:19-20 et al) Is this an unreasonable expectation toward the Ex’r Staff who all publicly profess a superior knowledge of God’s New Testament Law? (Compare the rest of the Ex’r Staff’s public internet conduct with the following verses: John 14:21; John 15:10; 1 John 5:2-3; James 3:1-18; Matthew 15:17-20; Luke 6:41-46; Romans 1:28-32; Romans 13:8-10; James 1:8; James 4:8; James 3:10; James 3:12; James 4:11; Matthew 12:33-37; Titus 3:1-3; James 1:19-20 et al) I know I am still involved in the part of the Body of Christ that is my Christian Church therefore my voice is steeply discounted by the Ex’r Staff but I would still like to reasonably ask when is Sister Tracy going to support what she says (that the Bible is the book for her)? Maybe some on the Ex’r Staff could help convince Sister Tracy of the need for this? But, then again, the rest of the Ex’r Staff do not consistently support what they say either. Above, below and elsewhere we see Ex’r Staff’s posts are rife with innuendo and supposition. We still ask…What’s the book for Sister Tracy (and Company)? “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?” CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 102 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
CONTINUING “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?”… A REASONABLE EXPECTATION: At a minimum we should reasonably be able to expect to find on a weblog that purports to celebrate God’s New Testament Law evidence of a celebration. Is it unreasonable to expect to see actions (words) that indicate that Sister Tracy’s priority is love for God’s New Testament Law. We know that Sister Tracy reads all the cult literature and now a book on marriage but what about God’s New Testament Law? Put another way we are looking for words from Sister Tracy to indicate the substance in Sister Tracy’s life that will lead to a celebration of God’s New Testament Law on TB:TTBFM!. Will she at least be able to copy something from a book applicable to the subject of TB:TTBFM! to get herself started, instead of some unrelated topic? Time will tell. STATISTICS: Additionally, if anyone disputes any of the above data please point out where it is wrong and why and we can amend it if verification warrants it (support what you say). I can be reached for potential additional discussion at exntcctextbook at yahoo dot com. I will take the lead in this and point out one mistake…above in my third post from the top (greg_s post number 94) I use the date of 4 October 2006 when it should be 4 September 2006. Sister Tracy’s numbers/statistics showing the Bible as the book for her are persistently abysmal to date. Pray for change in Sister Tracy’s life. She has placed herself in a position that she is finding hard to extricate herself from. Although, maybe she merely doesn’t care. She has ventured into an area that is showing itself to be beyond her reality/expertise and therefore grasp and now her hypocrisy is again on display. Again, maybe she merely doesn’t care. Before this Sister Tracy’s hypocrisy was on display on http://exntccrsxposed.blogspot.com/. You can read actual secret correspondence (titillating isn’t it) from Sister Tracy that shows the seditious spirit that drives this saint. Although secret correspondence are not needed as the spirit Sister Tracy is of is evidenced by her public presence on her other two weblogs, FACTNet et al. Remember when the content of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntcc_support/ the Yahoo group started dribbling out onto FACTNet and then onto the above sight? Remember the cry of foul and worse that came from the Ex’r camp? Don’t you think (I do) it’s juvenile for a person to think anything that is put on the internet is guaranteed forever secret? Don’t you think (I do) any cry of foul from the Ex’r Staff regarding anything anyone posts on the internet smacks loudly of hypocrisy? None of us could post any style (good or bad) of post on the internet that some Ex’r has not already posted. “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?” CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 103 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
CONTINUING “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?”… ALL SHARE IN THE CONDEMNATION: Ex’r Staff are also incontrovertibly condemned in the same way and for the same reasons that Sister Tracy is. This same way and same reason is lack of evidence of celebration of God’s word by others in the Ex’r Staff. This reason why this is relevant is, historically, whenever a new site for Ex’r Staff and against my Christian Church has been started Ex’r Staff would flock there to participate like vultures to road kill. Not so with TB:TTBFM!. After these series of greg_s code posts on this page and when and if Sister Tracy starts celebrating God’s New Testament Law on TB:TTBFM! it will be viewed with skepticism. If the Ex’r Staff begin to flock to Sister Tracy’s weblog it will warrant skepticism for this same reason. Proof of this is also that the celebration, if and when it starts, will not last (prophesy). For over three (3) years and five (5) months (as of October 2006) my Christian Church has been dissected on FACTNet et al sites. Out of over 12,800 posts to FACTNet…over 90% (11520) were posted by the Ex’r Staff; over 20,856 posts to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntcc_support/; fifty (50) articles on http://www.ntccxposed.com/ and three weblogs (counting TB:TTBFM!) containing about 75 entries between the three; not counting moderated comments et al and a multitude of super top secret e-mail. This adds up to well over 33,700 items (not including super top secret e-mails or moderated comments). This works out to over twenty-seven (27) entries onto the internet per day every day, against my Christian Church, by the Ex’r Staff in fourty-one (41) months. Will they be able to enter twenty-seven (27) entries onto TB:TTBFM! a day, every day for the next three (3) years and five (5) months? I don’t know but they need to get started because the Ex’r Staff is already 2273 (85×27-22=2273) entries behind on TB:TTBFM! as of 25 October 2006. Again, this does not count the multitude of super top secret Ex’r Staff e-mails. So the question still remains will Sister Tracy, and now the rest of the Ex’r Staff, be able to convincingly make the case that the Bible is the book for her/them? Time will tell and many of us will be watching. Again here is the http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/ to TB:TTBFM! (Sister Tracy’s newest weblog for God.) in case you care to join the gadflies in the peanut gallery. To date, based on all available evidence ”The Bible is not the book for Sister Tracy or others on the Ex’r Staff!” “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?” CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 104 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
CONTINUING “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?”… MORE SPIN BY SISTER TRACY: Hear, what is turning out to be, more spin at http://www.audioblogger.com/media/134023/406941.mp3 hyperlink, where Sister Tracy inaugurates the audio weblog feature on TB:TTBFM! by sharing some of her justification and vision for TB:TTBFM!. Again, it all sounds good but sadly Sister Tracy’s justification and vision have not come to fruition on TB:TTBFM!. TB:TTBFM! continues to amount to nothing more than “The Bible As An After Thought!” or “Sister Tracy’s Book Reviews!” but mostly “Sister Tracy And Her Past Triumphs In Christ!”. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE EX’R STAFF WEBSITE?: What is your favorite Ex’r Staff website? Mine is http://www.ntccxposed.com/ (until such time as Sister Tracy is able to get http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com started.) My reason for this is as follows: Even though ntccXposed does not add any new data to the ‘to NTCC or not to NTCC’ debate and even though ntccXposed amounts to nothing more than merely another distorted view (Kliever) or caricature (Bromley and Shupe) and professional criticism by professional enemies (Introvigne) of our Christian Church it is well written and this is what I appreciate. I find myself too often having to reread the Ex’r Staff’s FACTNet and weblog posts because they are not clear and/or they amount to nothing more than an intentional misunderstanding of anything NTCC. Even though ntccXposed continues the Ex’r Staff’s penchant of publicly and intentionally misunderstanding all things NTCC ntccXposted is very easy to understand (after I looked up in the dictionary some of the words used) in that it sums up the Ex’rs brand of reasoning very succinctly…it’s a real time saver. “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?” CONTINUED… | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 156 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.16.138 |
Greg...are you o.k.? | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 105 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
CONTINUING “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?”… BONUS HYPERLINKS THAT SHOW EXAMPLES OF CONVINCINGLY SUPPORTING WHAT ONE SAYS/BELIEVES: http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/11347.html?1156011052#POST177113 (This post is in response to the Ex’r Staff’s recurring charge that tithe is not a New Testament command.) and http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/11347.html?1156011052#POST180846 (This post is in response to the Ex’r Staff’s recurring charge that my Christian church misappropriates and embezzles money and that congregational largess is a better way.) and http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/2158.html?1156275286#POST192115 (This post shows why my current Christian church is not a cult, when the understanding of what a cult is is held to a strict [as opposed to the general knee jerk wishful thinking Ex’r Staff understanding] understanding of the word cult.) and http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/13276.html?1128070282#POST195635 (This post begins to deal with the Ex’r assertion that Biblically a Christian can drink alcohol. If FACTNet lasts out the year we may post a more detailed already drafted teaching on the Christians use of alcohol…all from God’s New Testament Law.) and http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/12893.html?1125893196#POST191658 (This post is merely another example that other members of ExNTCC Staff are liers and/or double minded. Regardless of any consensus to the contrary James 1:8 [unstable], James 4:8 [impure] et al applies to the Ex’r Staff also and not just to the rest of us.) et al. Will Ex’r Staff be able to admit to truth publicly? Time will tell and many of us will be watching. At this juncture we will probably not discuss if the content of the above BONUS HYPERLINKS are correct or not, this is not the issue. (We have laid out our positions as completely as we can at this point in our development and have not had to back down from any position based on any ‘proofs’ presented by ExNTCC on any of the other topics we have chosen to address even after intense scrutiny by and a thorough discussion with Ex’r Staff) The issue is will Ex’r Staff start convincingly supporting what they say instead of consistently manufacturing positions whose sole purpose is being contrary to my Christian Church, the Body of Christ in general and God’s New Testament Law in particular? Proof of the premise of this paragraph is contained in the Ex’r Staff posts contained above and below (prophecy). Then again, there is the enduring leading issue of not just supporting what you say but ensuring what you say is in agreement with what God’s New Testament Law says regarding what, when, how and if we should or should not say things. END OF “SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAY…PLEASE?” Consistently admitting to truth publicly and whose loyalty is beyond question, Navaho Greg | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 106 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
All of the above BONUS HYPERLINKS are wrong so here are the correct ones: http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=177113#POST177113 (This post is in response to the Ex’r Staff’s recurring charge that tithe is not a New Testament command.) and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=180846#POST180846 (This post is in response to the Ex’r Staff’s recurring charge that my Christian church misappropriates and embezzles money and that congregational largess is a better way.) and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=192115#POST192115 (This post shows why my current Christian church is not a cult, when the understanding of what a cult is is held to a strict [as opposed to the general knee jerk wishful thinking Ex’r Staff understanding] understanding of the word cult.) and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=195635#POST195635 (This post begins to deal with the Ex’r assertion that Biblically a Christian can drink alcohol. If FACTNet lasts out the year we may post a more detailed already drafted teaching on the Christians use of alcohol…all from God’s New Testament Law.) and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=191658#POST191658 (This post is merely another example that other members of ExNTCC Staff are liers and/or double minded. Regardless of any consensus to the contrary James 1:8 [unstable], James 4:8 [impure] et al applies to the Ex’r Staff also and not just to the rest of us.) et al. Will Ex’r Staff be able to admit to truth publicly? Time will tell and many of us will be watching. Enjoy! | ||
| mklo Intermediate Member Username: mklo Post Number: 272 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.185.114.218 |
I think he's off his meds. | ||
| mklo Intermediate Member Username: mklo Post Number: 274 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 67.185.114.218 |
greg_s, if you are done with your interpretations of the representative value of categorical word-counts from Tracy's blog, perhaps you can turn your attention to the phenomenon addressed by the above poster. It's more germane, and much more important. I'm dead serious, brother. If you'll stop dancing around the subject like Sugar Ray Leonard on crack, I would appreciate a serious discussion about pastoral control. Why would spirit-filled, Christian adults have to ask their pastor for permission to get together? Why on earth would a pastor admonish church members to just stay home and pray while he was out of town? This is a disturbing level of control that seems to be born of irrational fear. The law is not made for a righteous man, but for sinners. The wilder the tiger, the thicker the chain to bind him. Why does the culture of NTCC scream so loudly that no one is trusted? I don't believe that the typical member - or minister, for that matter - of your group is so lacking in discretion, and so prone to sin, that they need such heavy handed measures to keep them in line. What gives? Talk to me, brother. | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 107 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
TITLE: “Huh?” (Drafted 10/26/06) A TRIP UP MEMORY LANE: Let’s take a trip from this point on up this page and see what we find interspersed among the greg_s posts that may require a greg_s response: First up, mklo would rather talk about something else. Can’t say I blame him. When evidence is incontrovertible one either has to agree with it or change the subject…mklo has chosen to change the subject. Next, we have the usual insightful and cutting mklo remark from mklo (I’m off my meds). Then, Sister Tracy enquires after my health. Next, justasking relates what one NTCC pastor does. Then, the always cogent frankly is teaching us about questions. Although, it is common to reject questions whose premise one doesn’t agree with. In other words not all questions are created equal. Next, we have frankly again drawing an insightful conclusion. Then sammyrooster allows himself to be bated. Next up frankly attempts to change the subject (see first up with mklo above in this post). Which brings us to sammyrooster calling a question a lie (I assume he is rejecting the premise of the question although he didn’t word it that way). Next, frankly again, this time theorizing as only he does. Then we have mklo chastising greg_s for not making strong enough points. Then we have forever_his_child joining in with a typical ExNTCC Staff view. True to form victorjohanson makes a long overdue appearance to change the subject. Whenever ExNTCC deems a topic needs to be changed victor (mklo being another one) is one of the first ones on the scene (see first up with mklo above in this post). wsc35 wonders why the boards are so quiet? wsc35 also throws in some assumptions for good measure. Next bro_derrick appears; reveling in his freedom of discord. mklo appears again, this time lamenting the dirth of mature discussion. I would have to agree with mklo on this salient point. Then we have wsc35 pining for mature discussion. Let’s stop here for a minute…this is a recurring Ex’r Staff charge against the members of my Christian church that choose to participate online. As is my custom I have laid out my position on this new page with these multiple posts as completely as I am able to. In other words I have taken the first step and laid out my position for all to examine and discuss. Question…do any of the above non-greg_s posts require a response? Do any of the above greg_s posts challenge anything that I have posited? Then what is there to respond to? Really it is not my turn at this point. Continuing, Last we have five (5) non-TB:TTBFM! Sister Tracy comments. Adieu. Your move, Greg_s | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 108 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
In the interest of speaking truth publicly we would like to make the following correction to the third last sentence of my above post: Do any of the above non-greg_s (replaces greg_s) posts challenge anything that I have posited? | ||
| frankly Member Username: frankly Post Number: 92 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.188.138.185 |
Greg, Thank you for the compliment. | ||
| victorjohanson Intermediate Member Username: victorjohanson Post Number: 475 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.223.233.130 |
Greg, the raison d'etre of this forum is the discussion of NTCC's doctrines and practices, not a nitpicky numerological analysis of Tracy's blog. If anyone has tried to change the subject, it is to make the discussion here more relevant to the legitimate conversation, which you are desperately trying to avoid. "Sugar Ray Leonard on crack" is an apt description by Mick of your tactics, and I believe the "off the meds" comment was a satirical reflection of the same charge levelled against Bro. Derrick. The pastoral control issue broached above is not a phenomenon isolated to one or two NTCC pastors, as you seem to imply. I'm sure there are some who don't behave in this manner, but there are many who do and have for years, emulating their leaders. That topic is far more worthy of investigation than a Dakian dissection of an unrelated matter. Vic Johanson | ||
| objectiveobserver Member Username: objectiveobserver Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.147.151.190 |
Frankly this may be a little over your head, but questions can certainly be lies, or made to be a lie. For instance even in your own response to Sammy you changed the context of the question. If you were to ask, Is it raining? of course that is not or couldn't be construed as a lie. The question was asked, ...Why are the ranks shrinking?, which was a rhetorical question for effect, not an honest query. If the question had been posed as follows, .."are the ranks shrinking?, your point might be valid. To bring the difference home, questions are often used to cast aspersions as was the case with the above query and response that you took offense to. Vic if you want to have a discussion about pastoral authority etc. start a thread to that effect, and those who wish to participate will do so. It's been my experience with you lately that you are guilty of trying to divert conversations with dissenting parties, only to what you wish to discuss even if the other party does not wish to do so. This smacks of attempting to excercise the sort of control you so adamantly decry in others. You of all people should be supportive of open dissent on chosen topics in a public forum. Mklo nice to see you back, beating the same drum, but eloquently as always. Larry Duran (a sinner still waiting for TP to put up or shut up, in the other thread) | ||
| victorjohanson Intermediate Member Username: victorjohanson Post Number: 476 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.223.233.130 |
"Vic if you want to have a discussion about pastoral authority etc. start a thread to that effect..." I think the subject has already been avoided enough on the other threads, and as has been observed, this one is a rogue that doesn't even belong here. Just because I pointed that out doesn't mean I'm out to control anyone; it's not my thing. And your double standard is showing again; NTCC defenders have proven to be the kings of conversation diversion. Larry, my disagreements with you aren't personal; I hope you understand that. But I don't see NTCC as a "healthy spiritual environment" led exclusively by "good Christian men" like you do. They may be Christians, but not of the "examples of the believer" category, and certainly not superior to all others, as they maintain. My years at NTCC provided abundant examples of the sheep being subjected to outrageous treatment by these 'leaders,' and I haven't forgotten it...have you? Vic Johanson | ||
| letgodbetrue Intermediate Member Username: letgodbetrue Post Number: 248 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 71.75.61.128 |
Note to self: don't drink coffee while reading certain Factnet posts. I nearly choked when I read the "Sugar Ray Leonard on crack" comment. You are a funny guy, Mick. Angela (Message edited by letgodbetrue on October 28, 2006) (Message edited by letgodbetrue on October 28, 2006) | ||
| forever_his_child Member Username: forever_his_child Post Number: 60 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 4.254.219.102 |
Just a friendly request for Greg S., Some of your posts are quite long. Could you please separate some of it into different paragraphs a bit more? The words get all jumbled together and become hard to read when everything is all in one paragraph. Thanks, Ashley (Not that I agree with most of what you write, but I read it nonetheless...thanks again! :-D ) | ||
| objectiveobserver Member Username: objectiveobserver Post Number: 90 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.147.151.190 |
Vic, of course I don't take our disagreements personally, I have much love for you and your family, and fond memories of better times. Having said that, in a forum filled with threads with song lyrics, quotes, discussions on whatever "off his meds Bob", wishes to discuss, and TP extorting apologies from people whose problems are better left private etc.., its a little ludicrous to suggest that this thread is a rogue thread. Why, because it quite accurately skewers TP? The only one diverting conversation in this thread is yourself. I have no double standard, there is right and wrong on both sides of the aisle, but when it de-generates past doctrinal disputes to a personal level as has often been the case here, I object strenuously. You allude to the leadership you continue to excoriate as "maybe Christians, but not of the example of the believer category..." I didn't know there were different categories of Christians. I still think you either is or you ain't, and if they is, they should probably be left alone. Just an observation, forgive the vernacular. Take care Vic, Larry D. (a sinner) | ||
| victorjohanson Intermediate Member Username: victorjohanson Post Number: 477 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.223.233.130 |
Larry, I only said this is a rogue thread because the purpose of this forum is to discuss the doctrines and practices of NTCC, not Tracy's blog. How can one hijack a thread that doesn't even belong here in the first place? If greg_s wants to discuss Tracy's unrelated blog, this isn't the place to do it. Of course one is either a Christian or not, but scripture clearly holds leaders to a higher standard, and I'm not talking about some "God's Special Forces" nonsense like eating French fries with a knife and fork or having to get permission to have a brother over for dinner. I mean that they are to be examples to the flock rather than lords over God's heritage. That is a legitimate topic for discussion. Vic Johanson | ||
| objectiveobserver Member Username: objectiveobserver Post Number: 91 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.147.151.190 |
Vic I think if Greg S wants to discuss Tp's blog this is exactly the place to do it. I agree that what you propose, may be a legitimate topic for discussion, so why not start a thread about being lords of Gods heritage, and those who wish to engage in that discussion will do so. If people choose not to participate, my point remains don't try to hijack their thread, because they are not discussing what you deem relevant to the forum. BTW I eat my fries with my fingers most of the time, but usually eat pizza with a fork until it's cool enough to eat by hand..lol Take care my blues lovin friend..Larry D (a nuthin but the blues sinner) | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 160 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.10.65 |
This quote is hilarious: whatever "off his meds Bob", wishes to discuss, and TP extorting apologies from people whose problems are better left private etc.., its a little ludicrous to suggest that this thread is a rogue thread. Why, because it quite accurately skewers TP? The only one diverting conversation in this thread is yourself. I have no double standard, there is right and wrong on both sides of the aisle" do you remember who brought it out publicly...and didn't leave it a private matter???????????? KEKEL.............WHIRLWIND.....KEKEL..........WHIRLWIND.... HE TOOK THEIR PRIVATE INFORMATION AND MADE IT PUBLIC... I ANSWERED THE LIES THAT HE PUT FORTH...AND AM ASKING SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THE TRUTH...TO SAY SO. BUTT OUT...I don't know any other way to put it. It's none of your business. | ||
| bro_derrick Advanced Member Username: bro_derrick Post Number: 752 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.212.53.217 |
"We don't dispute the Bible, we preach it!" Meaning: I preach it, and you either agree with it or not. And if you don't agree with my preaching, then keep it to yourself, because you are trying to dispute and sow dischord. And such builders are right! No disputing of Scripture is allowed at all, and we don't have to be there, so we can just pack up and leave. Right? Right. And, that's exactly what Jesus did, and then Paul (John 7:1)(Acts 18:6,28:28) concerning the builders of their day, who had a national organization of synagogues and churches to build and prosper by. They didn't have the time to 'waste' defending their doctrines and programs with a bunch of upstarts who only want to argue about the Bible and call it freedom of dischord. After all, they have great churches to build, inspired programs to run, and loyal people to rule. The only problem is, that as their fathers did, so do they of today (Acts 7:51). Not being content to have their assemblies to themselves, they would also chase after those hateful disrupters to the garden of Gethsemane, Berea, and Factnet. Such fellows dare to continue their hateful, rebellious, seditious, malicious, malignicious, fault finding and dischord sowing ways in other places too! Why they actually revel in their presumption to read, know, and teach the Bible too, even to the point of disputing with our Leaders that really do know it all, or at least have forgotten more than others would ever learn! "Christians have no rights!" Davis: Graham (Not in his church, nor even out of his church.) Davis' Christians have no rights, but Jesus' Christians have every right to believe and minister the Scriptures freely. If not in their assemblies, then in ours. "If someone leaves God to go and get drunk, that's their own business, and I'll pray for them. But if they begin to attack the Organization, then they have made themselves enemies of God's church as well as of God, Who will fight our battles!" Davis: Conference Meaning: Any dispute with himself, whether by Scripture or not, is an attack on God and His church organization for the sake of compromise. And since it is the Organizational Leaders who help fight God's battles with seditionists in their church, then it only stands to reason that God will have the same Leaders help Him fight their battles with dischorders out of their church... on Factnet. The simple fact is that neither Cain, Nimrod, King Saul, Caiaphas, Diotrephes, Davis, nor Keckel and their loyalists will allow any disputing of Scripture in or out of their domains. This Christian right that they do not allow there, they want to have here. And they can have it, but the tactics they use there will not work here! So, I hereby declare myself to be basking in the freedom to dispute the Scriptures concerning the faith, service, and ministry of Jesus Christ, and am no longer in bondage to the demands of the builders, who dispute by their own intellects to persuade people to themselves. (Gal 5:8) Which is to their own destruction, being founded upon the mind of him that was there first rather than upon the Rock of Jesus: Faith in His written Word. (2 Peter 3:16)(Matthew 15:14) | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 109 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.31 |
TITLE: “Another Trip Up Memory Lane” (Drafted 11/6/06) ANOTHER TRIP UP MEMORY LANE: Let’s take another trip (no pun intended) from this point on up this page to greg_s post number 108 and see what we find along the way that may require a greg_s response: First up is bro_derrick, still reveling in his freedom of discord. Next we have Sister Tracy, yelling in another non-TB:TTBFM! post. Then we have objectiveobserver, defending my existence to victorjohanson. Next comes victorjohanson, attempting to suppress and control (in at least this first recorded instance) speech thus parading/modeling more Ex’r Staff hypocrisy on the internet. objectiveobserver again, again defending my existence to victorjohanson. Next up is forever_his_child, requesting an easier path (a recurring Ex’r Staff theme both on and offline i.e. it is/was too hard). Then we have letgodbetrue, demonstrating the desirable ability to find humor where it genuinely exists. victorjohanson, again attempting to suppress and control (in at least this second recorded instance) speech thus parading/modeling more Ex’r Staff hypocrisy on the internet. Then comes objectiveobserver, again defending my existence to victorjohanson with a little teaching for frankly thrown in for good measure and a heartfelt greeting to mklo (the other topic changer). victorjohanson, the serial suppressor and controller of speech, again attempting to suppress and control (in at least this third recorded instance) speech thus parading/modeling more Ex’r Staff hypocrisy on the internet. Lastly we have frankly being thankful. Again, do any of the above non-greg_s posts require a response? Do any of the above non-greg_s posts challenge anything that I have posited? It is still really not my turn at this point. Still your move…until such time as we take the lead again, greg_s | ||
| forever_his_child Member Username: forever_his_child Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 4.254.220.112 |
Wow, so you're saying nothing was said above that required or called for a response from you...yet we got one anyway? No one can satisfy you can they? Are you just asking for a debate or what? By the way, if you insist on making your posts very uneasy on the eye, I suppose that is your perogative(sp?). An easier way to heaven, I ask not, at least an easier way to read your words, however...I humbly asked earlier. I guess I've just been out too long. I was foolish enough to think I was asking something that would be deemed 'OK' by a NTCC loyalist. My bad. Thanks for pointing out just how wretched and lost my soul is, Greg. How does anyone make it to heaven without your help? I simply don't know. I am trying very hard to be funny! NOT rude. Try and laugh Greg...laughter worketh like a medicine!  | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 189 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.27.181 |
Greg said: "Still your move…until such time as we take the lead again," What? TAKE THE LEAD AGAIN? Is someone keeping score? Sorry dude, that is weird. | ||
| still_small_voice New member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.138.130.2 |
Of all the much writing (and word counting?) of the originator of this thread, I still can't quite grasp one solid, clear and concise point. Maybe it is me, or that reading some of the posts requires much effort to decipher them. Still_small_voice asks why does greg_s refer to himself in the third person? When he says "until we take the lead again" is he referring to himself and greg_s? Greg, I don't know you, except I've heard you preach a few times, you take yourself so seriously it is hard for me to. Your "us vs. them" mentality I do not understand. To echo Forever_his_child, lighten up a little, ex-member does not = evil person. This discussion board exists for exmembers, it should not surprise you nor stress you out that negative things are posted, and will continue to be posted, about your org. here. If you want to be respected why don't you begin by respecting others instead of coming across as condescending and sarcastic. I guess anyone and everyone that has departed your org. is worse than a sinner and a chief of the reprobates? Once again we have an example of the cult-like mentality of this group. People who have not been "in" yet are simply sinners, any and all people that leave are reprobates, and worthy of all manner of scorn, derision, and mockery. Excellent job of illustrating the exclusive and elitist mind-set of NTCC. | ||
| not_surprised New member Username: not_surprised Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.160.66.238 |
I'm not quite sure how a single word can be relevant to the title of the blog. The word "is" isn't necessarily relevant, but the phrase "God is love" would be. Greg_s apparently just wants to sound smart by claiming to have done a "statistical analysis" that is really meaningless. I've met this guy, he's a character. I saw him at conference barking orders at some of his church members who were straightening and lining up chairs in the tabernacle. It was quite a ridiculous sight. He was marching up and down the aisle correcting his members on their method of positioning chairs. I recall thinking, "I'm glad he's not my pastor." When someone refers to themselves in the third person it is indicative of an inflated ego. | ||
| still_small_voice New member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.138.130.2 |
quote from greg_s: "I find myself too often having to reread the Ex’r Staff’s FACTNet and weblog posts because they are not clear and/or they amount to nothing more than an intentional misunderstanding of anything NTCC." Are you serious? You can't be serious. I can honestly say, of all the posts I have read on Factnet, the most difficult to read and follow along with are the posts of Mr. S. By the way, what is up with the word/similar word thing. Why don't you just pick one word. Are you attempting to show off your vocabulary? Do people ever intentionally misunderstand anything? You either misunderstand something or do not. Has the thought crossed your mind that some people, might honestly think many of your opinions are incorrect? That maybe it is nothing personal and people have the right to pursue their faith according to their conscience and speak of what they believe? If I perceive something as error I will label it as such without fear, or consideration of the pride of others, which hold to such error? When I read your posts sir, I do not hear the voice of Christ. I do not perceive love, and mercy, I do not perceive grace and truth. I hear the words of a man, with a human motive, acting in a juvenile manner in an attempt to smear someone's character and discredit their testimony. I am not attempting to attack you personally sir, I am responding to what you have written, and the context of my comments should be taken as such. As you stated above your "Loyalty is without question" Loyalty to whom? Your org? your leaders? I will stick with "We ought to obey God rather than men" Acts 5:29 | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 124 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
TITLE: “Huh? But, TB:TTBFM! Is Encouragement/Edification.” (Drafted Thanksgiving Day, 2006) Sister Tracy posited the following on another page: “If you don't like the blog...then why do you constantly come and view it? I can see from the site meter how many times you view it on any given day. I thought preachers were to encourage themselves in the Lord.” (See http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=360683#POST360683 for the complete Sister Tracy post.) “(…) preachers were to encourage themselves in the Lord”…sure sounds like Bible, but many things do, especially online; this is why we often say…check it out, go to God’s New Testament Law, don’t take our word for it, know for yourself…don’t even take the Ex’r Staff’s word for it, know for yourself. Sister Tracy’s teaching, referenced above, may be in God’s New Testament Law but we were not able to find it and we are reasonably sure it is not in the Pastoral Epistles. Concerning TB:TTBFM!; we never said we didn’t like TB:TTBFM!. But, we have said we went there anticipating a celebration of God’s New Testament Law and were disappointed (just not surprised) along with all the others that visited. Though, as we have shared before, our favorite Ex’r site by far is still ntccXposed. We are completely enamored with Brother Brian’s writing even though his position has been refuted in the past, by me, others and himself before he even joined the Ex’r Staff. (The next greg_s post below, by itself, refutes the entire body of work found at ntccXposed.) The Ex’r Staff’s methods have been around since Luke 10:18 so are nothing new. Brother Brain doesn’t present any new positions; Brother Brian is merely far superior to all others on the Ex’r Staff in presenting the Ex’rs doctrine. Predictably, all are not hypnotized by Brother Brian’s words. Another one that hypnotizes the Ex’r Staff is bro_derrick. Proof of this is the surprising amount of bro_derrick positions Brother Brian and others on the Ex’r Staff have consistently adopted as their own over time. From the beginning, Ex’r Staff’s doctrinal foundation has been comprised of three areas; rules, money and how spiritual they currently are. We may engage Brother Brian again via e-mail if Brother Brian decides to return from his self imposed exile of e-mailing me. Brother Brian told us he did not want to continue corresponding by e-mail because we choose to remain anonymous. Why the identity of posters continues to be a recurring issue is anyone’s guess and is another of many topics Ex’r Staff are distracted by. C’est la vie. We prefer to focus on content (words) rather than identity. Who/what a person was is not necessarily who they are now; and not as important as who they are now. Matthew 12:34-37 applies. Continuing, we were not able to find in God’s New Testament Law where God commands a preacher to encourage themselves in the Lord although we don’t perceive this as an anti-God’s-New-Testament-Law principle. Maybe, for some bizarre Sister Tracy reason, understood only by Sister Tracy, she was referring to 1 Samuel 30:3. We have, long ago, stopped trying to figure the Ex’r Staff out; we just concentrate on what the Ex’r says from day to day and observe the myriad ways the Ex’r Staff present their only three positions; rules, money and how spiritual they currently are. The next greg_s post is one reason greg_s, and others, finds TB:TTBFM! edifying: “HUH? BUT, TB:TTBFM! IS ENCOURAGEMENT/EDIFICATION.” CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 125 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
“HUH? BUT, TB:TTBFM! IS ENCOURAGEMENT/EDIFICATION.” CONTINUED… We visit TB:TTBFM! often (so far, about 10 times today, 11/23/06, in about 5 hours, while we were working at the office) because it is one of very many things that proves right our premise that the Bible is not the book for Sister Tracy and the rest of her Ex’r Staff friends. This now confirmed fact (and very many others) disqualifies Sister Tracy and company from being a relevant witness against the Body of Christ. This is another of very many public, easily verifiable proofs that Sister Tracy and the rest of the Ex’r Staff do not have a tangible, verifiable relationship with God as God defines this relationship in His New Testament Law. When a professing Christian is not able to demonstrate a love for God’s New Testament Law by deed/word it is reasonable and advisable to dismiss all else they say and say about themselves. The Body of Christ does not look to outside sources for guidance in actions or perception. Even though it’s encouraging/edifying I may stop the obsessive compulsive behavior of frequent visits to TB:TTBFM! now that Sister Tracy has finally admitted that she will no longer attempt to prove, on TB:TTBFM!, her possession of something that has not been there (that the Bible is the book for her) for 120 days (4 months) as of 11/30/06. Whether Sister Tracy ever had a love for God’s New Testament Law is not being addressed in this post. We could have stopped visiting TB:TTBFM on 11/9/06. 11/9/06 is the date of her 25th and last entry onto TB:TTBFM! in 100 days, but who knew? Sister Tracy posted a minimum of 268 verified entries elsewhere online during this same period. This does not include the very many comments she had to wade through in reviewing to give her stamp of approval for inclusion onto her many weblogs for God. Yes, we agree; a dismal testimony. Sister Tracy and the rest of the Ex’r Staff’s online persona, based entirely on their internet conduct, shows they are, as an entity, filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. No person has prevented Sister Tracy and the rest of the Ex’r Staff from posting content that is an outgrowth of love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance; yet they don’t. At a minimum they could post entries onto the internet that are in one accord with 2 Timothy 3:16-17 being doctrine, reproof, correction; all in accord with God’s New Testament Law or even just instruction in righteousness, as God defines righteousness, yet they don’t do this either. Based entirely on Sister Tracy and the rest of the Ex’r Staff’s internet conduct she/they is/are judged by God’s New Testament Law as being worthy of death. Mercifully, this judgment only becomes irreversible after this life is over. END OF “HUH? BUT, TB:TTBFM! IS ENCOURAGEMENT/EDIFICATION.” Sincerely, greg_s (Remember, it’s still about rules and money…how spiritual we are is decided by God and is based upon how God defines spirituality in His New Testament Law so is discernable by all. See http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=174853#POST174853 greg_s post for more commands from God’s New Testament Law.) | ||
| not_surprised Junior Member Username: not_surprised Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 71.231.17.184 |
Greg_S Who wouldn't want this man to be their pastor? What a fine example of a Christian! You remind me of a child on the playground trading barbs with another child. It's a shame you don't realize how pathetic and silly your posts are, it would be nice if someone from NTCC was benevolent enough to tell you. I can just imagine you at your desk, swilling coffee and furiously tapping away at your computer giggling fiendishly with pride as you say to yourself, "Haha! I got them now! Take that Ex'r Staff!" Why is your time consumed with FactNet when you have a church to pastor and souls to win for Christ? Is that effective use of your time? You have proven that in order to be a preacher in good standing in NTCC all you have to be is a blindly loyal follower, not of God, of NTCC. If the blind lead the blind... | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 165 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
TITLE: “Why The Ex’r ‘Testimony’ Is Relevant” (Drafted 10/29/06)…Titus 1:15-16 (KJV) Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. [Works again…God’s New Testament Law is absolutely lousy with admonitions regarding works for the Body of Christ? Still not convinced? See http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=174853#POST174853 greg_s post.] WARNING: This is another series of greg_s posts consisting entirely of code (as have all greg_s posts to date). This is according to the ExNTCC definition of code. The ExNTCC definition of code is as follows: Anything said they don’t like. This, coincidentally, is also how ExNTCC historically has established what is an extra-Biblical (extra-God’s-New-Testament-Law) rule or doctrine. The data contained in and premise of this latest incontrovertible post is compiled from various readily available independent public sources using standard/basic investigative methods/logic. Put another way the below and above greg_s post’s are using http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com (One of Sister Tracy’s weblogs for God) as yet another stepping off point to further examine the things of ExNTCC. ON CHANGING THE TOPIC TO ONE ‘AUTHORIZED’: Above, an Ex’r Staff member brought up a recurring Ex’r Staff theme/accusation on FACTNet as follows: “Greg, the raison d'etre of this forum is the discussion of NTCC's doctrines and practices, not a nitpicky numerological analysis of Tracy's blog. If anyone has tried to change the subject, it is to make the discussion here more relevant to the legitimate conversation, which you are desperately trying to avoid. (…)” (See http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=352197#POST352197 for the complete Ex’r Staff post.) Some of you will recognise victorjohanson by his serial attempts at free speech suppression above on this very page. Aside from the easily perceived hypocrisy of the above Ex’r Staff quote, if greg_s seems desperate to any Ex’r this is another of many things they misunderstand about all things concerning my Christian Church and another item in the growing volume of proof that their perceptions of our Christian Church should be disregarded in toto or at a minimum held at arms length or farther because of the Ex’r view’s propensity for easily verified inaccuracy. A close examination of the fruits of Sister Tracy’s current relationship with God as conveyed on TB:TTBFM! is reasonable and relevant. “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06) CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 166 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06)… WHAT CONSTITUTES AN ‘AUTHORIZED’ POST: Using Ex’r Staff’s internet posting history as the standard I am ‘authorized’ to post anything and any type of post I care to on FACTNet et al…I can post entries onto the internet that are unrighteous, stories of fornicating, wicked, covetous, malicious, envious, murderous, debateful, deceitful, malignant, whispering, backbiting, hateful for/of God, spiteful, prideful, boasting, inventions of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant breaking, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful…but I can also post entries onto the internet that are of love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. Our focus has been to post entries onto the internet that are, at a minimum, in one accord with 2 Timothy 3:16-17 being doctrine, reproof, correction; all in accord with God’s New Testament Law or even just instruction in righteousness, as God defines righteousness,…for proof check out any of the over 126 greg_s posts (including this last series of nine) entered onto FACTNet. Starting over two years ago and continuing to this day the Ex’rs have attempted to enforce extra-FACTNet rules for posting. But, this merely one style of Ex’r Staff’s charge against my Christian Church (extra-Biblical rules) is another of many proofs of Ex’rs hypocrisy in that they have extra-FACTNet rules for posting onto FACTNet and rules for inclusion into and exclusion from the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntcc_support/ and the various Ex’r Staff weblogs (moderated). Mother Smit and the rest of her staff also purge and shun people from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntcc_support/. Based on all available evidence to date the only truly ‘authorized’ post by any member of my Christian Church on the internet would only be those pre-approved by the Ex’r Staff. First we are invited to participate then we are uninvited then we are invited. Based on all available evidence to date the only truly ‘authorized’ post by any member of my Christian Church on the internet would only be those that don’t contradict anything they present. Currently it seems we are in the uninvited stage. But, be patient, the Ex’r Staffs spirit of double mindedness will drive them to invite us again. Why won’t Mother Smit let us join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntcc_support/ so we can keep in touch with those we have lost contact with? “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06) CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 167 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06)… A CREDIBLE WITNESS?: The credibility of a witness is very relevant. Because Ex’r Staff are a witness against the Body of Christ the type of person or Christian the individual Ex’r is is very relevant. In secular society, in a court of law (as opposed to this court of popular opinion), credibility of a witness is the single most important characteristic, even above corroboration. Online, there is much corroboration, but little to no credibility. By credibility, we mean Biblical credibility, in that, is the content of Ex’r Staff written attacks against my Christian Church something a Christian would do? If any of the Ex’rs would care to admit that they engage in conduct that violates any part of God’s New Testament Law then we can have a different discussion. If any of the Ex’r Staff would care to admit that they are no longer Christians then what an Ex’r posts would be irrelevant to the Body of Christ. What an Atheist, Jew, Wiccan et al posts on the internet, about Christianity, is irrelevant to the Body of Christ. Ex’r Staff want it all ways; they want to be considered part of the Body of Christ while simultaneously attacking the Body of Christ; engaging in un-Christ-like conduct. James 3:1-18 applies. How can these things be? As a group Ex’r Staff have testified of themselves online that when they were a part of my Christian Church they were sincere but misguided, oppressed, abused, persecuted et al. They have testified that since they have left they are still sincere but can now see clearly and in many cases are able to do more for God in a more strictly Biblical way although no Ex’r shares exactly what they are doing in much detail when asked to date. Contrary to popular Ex’r opinion “what are you doing now” is preeminently germane to the credibility of the Ex’r witness against my Christian Church since works and the value, neccessity and need for evidence of works in a Christians life are addressed fully in God’s New Testament Law as follows: Revelation 20:13; 20:12; 18:6; 14:13; 9:18-21; 3:1-22; 2:1-29; 1 John 3:5-10; 1 Peter 2:12; James 3:10-13; 2:1-26; Hebrews 10:22-31; 4:9-16; Titus 3:8-10, 14; 2:11-15; 2:7-8; 1:15-16; 2 Timothy 4:14; 3:16-17; 1 Timothy 6:17-19; 5:24-25; 5:3-13; 2:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; Galatians 5:16-26; 3:1-29; 2:15-21; 2 Corinthians 11:15; Romans 13:1-14; 9:30-33; 4:1-25; 3:3:27-28; Acts 26:20; John 14:10-15; 10:34-38, 25; 8:39; 6:26-29; 5:36; Matthew 23:3; 16:27; 5:16 et al. “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06) CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 168 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06)… We realize some of these New Testament Law verses directly above relate to sinners but most of them do relate to the Body of Christ. The point is, according to God’s New Testament Law, works (what we do) is one of the standards all are/will be judged by. The “what are you doing now” question is further relevant because all Ex’r Staff, to date, find fault with what the Body of Christ does in their New Testament Law directed life for God. To further clarify and restrict intentional misunderstanding the Ex’r Staff’s methods are as the politicians who criticize without offering a solution or doing much themselves relevant to correcting what they criticize. All Ex’rs testify that they suffered much abuse by the actions of my fellow Christians in my Christian church. Yet, my informed opinion is, there are many more testimonies of people who currently attend my Christian Church that contradict and/or give a more balanced and/or complete view of the inner workings of my Christian Church in particular and the Body of Christ in general. (See http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=175219#POST175219 greg_s post, about half way down, the "Why the Ex in ExNTCC?" or "Why Did They Leave?" article and the others in this one post may help illustrate this.) Many current members of my Christian Church can testify (and have testified online) of the suffering they have experienced by the actions and words of Ex’r Staff. Most Ex’rs testify of themselves that they have a deep knowledge of God’s word yet again, most of their online conduct is contrary to much of God’s New Testament Law. These things ought not so to be but, to each their own. “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06) CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 169 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06)… AN IRRELEVANT TESTIMONY?: Any verifiable witness that gives insight into the Ex’rs internet witness against my Christian Church and into the Ex’r character is desired, relevant and necessary. The best witness with regards to the ExNTCC internet adversary against my Christian Church is examining their static public, and therefore easily verifiable, actions (words) on the internet because all other testimony contrary to an Ex’r can just be denied as they have so adroitly denied any and all charges against them in the past. For example, you can see/have seen for yourself that many of the Ex’r Staff have cursed online; some Ex’r Staff have lied online; Ex’r Staff have shared online they drink undiluted alcohol; others have shared online that they even approve of drug use for the Body of Christ; some have broken promises and/or violated trusts. All Ex’r Staff have demonstrated hypocrisy online. In Sister Tracy’s case, to date, she has not been able to demonstrate love for God’s New Testament Law therefore, all else about her is suspect since she still wants to proclaim online that Christ is Lord of her life. None of the Ex’r Staff, to date, have been able to demonstrate love for God’s New Testament Law therefore, all else about them is suspect since they all want to proclaim online that Christ is Lord of their life. Again, this is commonly referred to as wanting it both ways. Although the internet witnesses against all Ex’r Staff is growing each week it has been complete for well over two years. Because of this any honest seeker of truth can reasonably take all that is said, by ExNTCC Staff, against the Body of Christ, with a grain of salt or even reasonably dismiss it outright. As a group the Ex’r Staff have positioned themselves, by their actions (works), to be anti-God’s-New-Testament-Law and even anti-Body-of-Christ and anti-Jesus in many ways. For over two years nothing new has been added to the ExNTCC internet witness against my Christian Church yet part of their original and ongoing mission statement is to inform. Well, the Ex’r Staff’s online conduct shows they do not want to inform but rather bludgeon with their incredible first, second, third, fourth and fifth person witness. They have no interest in people knowing both sides and deciding for themselves. Since ExNTCC rabidly desires to be a witness against the Body of Christ why don’t they allow themselves to be exhaustively cross, re-cross, re-re-cross examined in public, online? This would add the required credibility to any charge against my Christian Church that may survive this type of scrutiny and to their collective ExNTCC voice. We have personally tried to do this before with blaxton et al but the Ex’r soon tires of this, withers and changes the subject since the heat quickly becomes unbearable for them. The non-greg_s posts on this “What’s The Book For you?” page is, by itself, full evidence of this. Sister Tracy has not held up well under scrutiny. Almost any tracy_pelfrey post is proof of this. “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06) CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 170 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06)… MERELY ANOTHER EX’R STAFF LIE: In response to another recurring Ex’r Staff lie (See http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=352197#POST352197) we submit the following: We addressed the Pastoral authority avenue of attack against my Christian Church in a little detail at http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=194528#POST194528 on 6 September 2005. Also http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=187759#POST187759 may have some relevance. Many other members of the Body of Christ have addressed the Pastoral Authority issue on FACTNet which has also been contrary to the prevailing Ex’r Staff’s view/teaching on Pastoral Authority. http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=195635#POST195635 and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=197443#POST197443 may be of special interest to some of the Ex’r Staff et al. WHAT IS THE EX’R STAFF’S TESTIMONY?: As a group, based solely on their easily verifiable internet witness, Ex’rs have demonstrated they are seditious, liars, hypocrites, drinkers of undiluted alcohol, approve of drug use for the Body of Christ, curse, are vulgar, use God’s New Testament Law as a prop, do not practically apply God’s New Testament Law, selectively apply God’s New Testament Law, are disloyal, persecute the Body of Christ, attempt to quash all equally credible positive views of our Christian Church, are haters and much more. These are some of the very things that Ex’r Staff accuse my Christian church of. All this can be clearly understood and easily verified from the Ex’rs internet conduct. This will show the honest seeker how much validity to invest in any Ex’rs testimony. So again, a single fact among all these other facts is that Sister Tracy and the rest of the Ex’r Staff have shown themselves to be unable to celebrate God’s New Testament Law; this is relevant and is a small part of the mountain of verifiable internet evidence that contradicts the Ex’r Staff witness against the Body of Christ as being credible. “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06) CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 171 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06)… CONTRADICTING, DISPROVING OR MERELY PRESENTING AN INCONTROVERTIBLE ALTERNATE VIEW?: The Ex’rs contradict much but prove/disprove little. (http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=265150#POST265150 and http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=265152#POST265152 greg_s post may help illustrate this point.) This should not be the case with otherwise intelligent people. In greg_s posts we concentrate more on disproving instead of contradicting. In greg_s posts we concentrate more on presenting an incontrovertible alternative to Ex’r Staff assertions and/or at a minimum providing a more balanced/reasoned/reasonable/charitable (therefore Biblical) view of the Ex’r Staff’s editorialized version (perversion) of all things NTCC (2 Timothy 3:16-17 again). By her own admission Sister Tracy has been having trouble making herself clear on all of her internet endeavors for God. Sister Tracy wants us to believe her words yet by her own admission she has trouble conveying her real meaning of what she says. Although, she could be exhibiting the Ex’r trait of saying one thing then when called on it or proved wrong claiming we all misunderstood and it really meant something other than what was clearly written. Could it be possible that Sister Tracy is actually an ardent NTCC support instead of the vociferous NTCC opposer she is being groomed to be but is just having trouble communicating what she really is/means? No, who and what the new much different Sister Tracy is is not misunderstood; she is being groomed to perfection and attempts to excel in her ‘The Ex’rs Esther’ role. There are many flies in the Ex’rs ointment; one such fly is God’s New Testament Law which just won’t cooperate in that it won’t stop contradicting the Ex’r Staff’s position(s). “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06) CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 172 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06)… MORE VERIFIABLE AND INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE AGAINST EXNTCC STAFF: At times Sister Tracy types in all capital letters (she has shown herself to be, after all, a hater) on the internet which is understood to be shouting with all of angers attendant emotions yet when she audioblog’s and/or videoblog’s her speech is so measured and shaking with clench jawed control (content is another issue as can be seen above and below) that one has to wonder if it is the same person. Is this further evidence of being double minded and therefore unstable and impure? Why don’t you decide this one…we should not always need to present the correct conclusion. Or is it true that common sense is not that common? Sister Tracy’s voice modulation does sound reasonable in her voluminous audioblog’s for God; at least since the first five. The first five were deep voiced, forceful and at the same time shrill; how she managed to pull this off maybe someone could explain…but practice makes perfect or in Sister Tracy’s case merely different. But, we pay more attention to Sister Tracy’s content on her audioblog’s for God, than the modulation of her voice; therefore, sadly, Sister Tracy’s internet testimony remains the same (seditious, a hater and the Bible is not the book for her and any and all things but the Bible are for her) along with her percentages (low) on TB:TTBFM!. Sister Tracy and all the rest of the Ex’r Staff consistently show themselves to be unstable (James 1:8) and impure (James 4:8). In closing, contrary to popular demonstrated/verifiable Ex’r Staff opinion Sister Tracy’s and the rest of the Ex’r Staff’s ‘testimony’ is relevant to the validity of the Ex’r Staff witness. Or, you can keep listening to the Ex’r Staff that incessantly declare that only the voluminous positive public testimony of the members of my Christian Church’s is irrelevant. Personally, we think the testimony of the leadership and membership of my Christian Church has remained sterling, all the more noteworthy when it is noted that self defense among them has been non-existent. NOTE: Reverend Kekel has not defended himself online but rather clarified/answered. Ex’r Staff found this discomforting/dissatisfying even though they requested it. This observed Ex’r Staff behavior is similar to the dog barking from behind the fence and then becoming uncomfortable and running to bark and growl from a distance when a person enters the gate. END NOTE I know we defend them…but when this is New Testament Law how can we refuse to support and defend the Body of Christ? ENDING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06). “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06) CONTINUED… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 173 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06)… It has been my observation, based on many peoples online behavior, that many people believe emoticons are one thing that demonstrates lightheartedness , makes everything alright , undoes damage and this many times in lieu of an apology ; regardless of the tone of the content . Therefore, in the interest of lightening up and maybe even getting with the Ex’r Staff program to a limited degree for one post we submit the following : Fear not those who argue but those who dodge - Marie von Eshenbach . Although, unlike Marie, I do not fear the Ex’r Staff. For those of you that are paying attention there are a few things in this last paragraph that could easily be intentionally misunderstood . So take another of very many shots at intentionally misunderstanding we can clarify later to restrict it if we decide to . END OF “WHY THE EX’R ‘TESTIMONY’ IS RELEVANT” (DRAFTED 10/29/06). Speaking truth to haters, Commander White Fang (Meine Ehre heißt Treue.) | ||
| not_surprised Member Username: not_surprised Post Number: 57 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 71.231.17.184 |
(surfer dialect, no offense to any proper English speaking surfers) Dude, I just think emoticons are totally cool  | ||
| still_small_voice Intermediate Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 484 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.138.130.2 |
 WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT THIS IS SHOUTING! I AM NOT SHOUTING! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME GREG S? YOUR ATTEMPT AT ASSUAGING MY BITTER ANGER AND HATRED TOWARD YOU THROUGH YOUR SUBTLE USE OF SMILEY EMOTICONS WILL NOT WORK THIS TIME! I WILL NOT GIVE IN TO THE DARK SIDE OF THE HAPPY FACE... 3. Do not use all capital letters. Typing all in capitals is considered to be SHOUTING and thus rude. In addition, all capitals or all lowercase is hard to read, so use standard mixed case. If you need to emphasize, use *around* your text or use capitals SPARINGLY. This is from an online list of 10 things in regard to Internet manners. So, it could be considered by many to be a point in fact that excessive use of capitals is rude... For what it is worth I feel free to capitalize any scripture, as I think it has a right to emphasis. But are you assuming that Tracy is even aware of the impolitness of caps? Not everyone may be as Internet savvy as you are Greg. Is this even really relevant to anything? You are making the same error that is often seen in politics in attempting to discredit a few, thereby, discrediting in the minds of your constiuents, the many. (I wish Factnet had more emoticons to choose from, like dude, the ones to pick from seem kinda lame.) (Message edited by still_small_voice on December 12, 2006) | ||
| still_small_voice Intermediate Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 485 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.138.130.2 |
And as to the success or lack of it, up to now in discediting even the few... I just don't see it or see hardly any valid points anyway. Maybe I am intentionally misunderstanding, which is your emphatic blanket accusation. Which no doubt also stems, at least according to you, from not carefully reading your posts but commenting anyway on what parts of said posts one actually invests the time in to read, yet you're not considering such time is often better spent by the readers, at least this reader, doing something else, or anything else for that matter. | ||
| still_small_voice Intermediate Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 486 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.138.130.3 |
So while we are speaking of online etiquette... Flaming (Flames) are also considered rude and impolite, you have never been guilty of flaming have you greg? I would consider much of your post 172 and others to be mostly flames. So you will rail on Tracy's use of capitals but your own flames are acceptable, no doubt because they are for our own good. Flaming: Personal attacks intended to incite, degrade, make fun of another or their ideas with no positive outcome. Comments to the idea, not the person, with a willingness to "agree to disagree" avoids flaming and keeps Internet discussions from descending into mud-slinging. I cannot not say that I have never been guilty of flames. I am trying very much to refrain from it as I find it it overall to be distracting, detracting, and unprofitable. | ||
| still_small_voice Intermediate Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 488 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.138.130.2 |
Please note: the "cannot not" double negative was an oversight and the "not" should have been deleted rendering the sentence "I cannot say that I have never been guilty of flames". | ||
| still_small_voice Intermediate Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 489 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.138.130.2 |
And for what it is worth Greg you are obviously in violation of The New Testament Law because you are in disobedience to a direct Command of the New Testament. Romans 16:16; 2 Corinthians 13:12; 1 Thessalonians 5:26; 1 Peter 5:14 Romans 16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you. 2 Corinthians 13:12 12 Greet one another with an holy kiss. 1 Thessalonians 5:26 26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss. 1 Peter 5:14 14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen. (So not just from one but from 2 apostles is the commandment given) Surely this is a commandment and Paul wasn't speaking according to custom was he? So, do you keep this New Testament Command? No I don't think you do. Do you pick and choose what commandments to keep or not keep? Or are some things written not actually commandments? I think it highly likely. So the next logical thing to do is to search the Word for what is the will of God, revealed in the Bible, toward his followers, according the NEW Covenent. But it is hard to learn when you think you already have perfect knowledge. And no I do not think there is such thing as esoteric knowledge of God that is the key to salvation, nor am I a gnostic. But if you stop asking questions (in prayer) to God before you read the Bible, you will stop learning it. Do you seek answers anymore Greg? Do you yet search the Word for the face of God? I hope you do and will. Warren, Christian Brother (Chairman of the Board and Official Treasure Bag Holder of the "United in Hatred" Ex'r Staff Group?) | ||
| hope1981 Intermediate Member Username: hope1981 Post Number: 102 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 24.177.209.168 |
And I am sure they are not literally taking up serpents either | ||
| still_small_voice Advanced Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 509 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 172.130.0.70 |
Hmmm yes good point, I guess the mountian folk are more holy in their faithful adherence to this verse. I personally am not going to tempt God by picking up a six foot rattler to prove how right with God I am. Nor drink poison for that matter. | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 176 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
TITLE: “TB:TTBFM! – The First 100 Days” From 3 August 2006 to 10 November 2006. During the first 100 days of TB:TTBFM! existence Sister Tracy has been very active elsewhere on the internet doing her posts for God. So here is an encapsulated view of Sister Tracy’s verifiable internet activity. In other words here is her score (follow the below web links to verify): TB:TTBFM! (http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/) – 25 entries F.A.C.T.Net (http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/search.cgi?x=e&st=3&scache=11633789242035220322917331) – 164 entries nntccoa (http://notnewtestamentchristianchurches.blogspot.com/) – 60 entries WWSiN (http://whatwomenseeinntcc.blogspot.com/) – 39 entries Post NTCC Half-Way House (http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-d6eEsZ4laaf4WLqJwbPknJs-?cq=1&l=1&u=5&mx=6&lmt=5) – 5 entries THE SCORE AFTER 100 DAYS IS: TB:TTBFM – 25…All other verified Sister Tracy internet activity – 268. 25 to 268…It was a rout, God’s New Testament Law suffered an incontrovertibly crushing defeat by all other verifiable considerations in Sister Tracy’s (and the rest of the Ex’r Staff’s) life. Some of you have found fault with the word count method of examining Sister Tracy’s internet works. Hopefully others of you noticed that if I had used the only other method of computing Sister Tracy’s public love for God’s New Testament law her percentage would have been 8 percent instead of the equally dismal 17 percent (3616 words relevant and now 21214 words irrelevant to Sister Tracy’s weblog for God’s title and stated purpose). That method is to do the same math problem (proportions) but using the amount of posts (2 being loosely relevant to demonstrating love for God’s Law and 23 irrelevant to demonstrating love for God’s Law) for the numbers to plug into the proportion problem. So you see the decision to use the word count method was based on attempting to find the least dismal way to present Sister Tracy’s public/verifiable love for God’s New Testament Law. “TB:TTBFM! – THE FIRST 100 DAYS” CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 177 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
“TB:TTBFM! – THE FIRST 100 DAYS” CONTINUING… This once grand lady has shared with us that she has two adorable daughters, takes care of a relative with Alzheimer’s disease, has a husband who is rarely home because his work requires him to be on the ‘road’, is frequently sick, often busy (who isn’t), is beset by computer and internet demons (my words) and myriad other things (read excuses) that necessitated her time away from TB:TTBFM!. Although, Sister Tracy never mentions her voluminous extra-TB:TTBFM! activity, during this same 100 day period, as a/the reason (read excuse) for not posting onto TB:TTBFM!. Again, as stated above in another greg_s post, we all make time for what is really important to us and sometimes what we make time for doesn’t match what we say is important to us (Matthew 15:8; Mark 7:6; 1 Peter 3:10-11). Based on this and the above (and coming below) incontrovertible evidence TB:TTBFM! is merely the most recent of many examples of actions/works not matching words. Therefore, the only reason Sister Tracy has been unable to celebrate God’s New Testament Law is because God’s New Testament Law and the celebration thereof is not within her. So what is the book for Sister Tracy again? Because it is sure not God’s New Testament Law in what ever version she may choose. Again here is the http://www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/ to TB:TTBFM! (Another of Sister Tracy’s weblogs for God.) to verify and/or in case you care to join the gadflies in the peanut gallery. TB:TTBFM! has proven to be very instructive. Adieu. greg_s NOTE: Sister Tracy has shared she has stopped (as of 11/9/06) posting to TB:TTBFM! Don’t count this as any type of victory because the reality is this revelation by Sister Tracy is very sad. END NOTE. | ||
| enigma76 New member Username: enigma76 Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.76.107.89 |
greg_s are you the Greg Sheppard from the Leesville Servicemen's Home during 1987-1989 and later married Tina? | ||
| pelfdaddy Junior Member Username: pelfdaddy Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 166.217.243.135 |
Just a thought on the meteoric trajectory of Greg S, Is it arrogant on my part to say, "This forum exists for the edification of those who are concerned about the false doctrine and abusive leadership of NTCC, and it is therefore the responsibility of NTCC to address its problems, and not the job of posters to this forum to answer challenges from NTCC unless they choose to do so." ? And for the sake of frankness, Greg is boring. His primary skill is that of inspiring others to skip past his words. | ||
| not_surprised Member Username: not_surprised Post Number: 96 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 71.231.17.184 |
Enigma, I think Greg Sheppard is with HOP, or was at one time | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Intermediate Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 314 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.20.176 |
The GREG in question is Greg Shunck. (sp?) | ||
| enigma76 New member Username: enigma76 Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.107.195.100 |
Oh okay. So Greg Sheppard was with HOP at one time. I think I have met Greg Shunk before also. Did he marry the once sister Blumenthal? Then later go to Leesville to Pastor for a little while? | ||
| still_small_voice Advanced Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 679 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Ask him, he reads and posts on factnet. | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 190 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
TITLE: “What A Once Grand Lady Has Become” (Drafted 10/23/06) Again, for why any of this is relevant to the Ex’r Staff witness against the Body of Christ see http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=368341#POST368341 hyperlink regarding why the Ex’r Staff’s (or anyone’s) testimony is relevant. MERELY A SEDITIOUS SISTER: Sister Tracy’s latest (http://bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/2006/10/improving-my-stats.html) appearance onto TB:TTBFM! (One of Sister Tracy’s weblog for God) is the Sister Tracy we have come to expect based on most of her other ExNTCC internet appearances. In other words this is the post-NTCC pre-TB:TTBFM! Sister Tracy that we have observed. This is opposed to the ‘I am doing something for God, really I am’ Sister Tracy that she first introduced to us on TB:TTBFM! At least for this latest entry Sister Tracy is once again consistent and not double minded. The post-NTCC pre-TB:TTBFM! Sister Tracy we have been watching is plodding, unfocused, rambling/ranting, hateful, seditious et al; although Sister Tracy’s 10/20/06 entry can not be characterized as seditious the other attributes apply. Charitably put, Sister Tracy’s brand of reasoning is mostly stream of consciousness/knee jerk/reactive. Sister Tracy wants to characterize her 10/20/06 entry onto TB:TTBFM! as a joke but we are not laughing. In our irrelevant opinion, even if Sister Tray had added the ubiquitous LOL it would not have been funny. The seditious spirit of Sister Tracy’s et al internet conduct has not gone unnoticed by many in the Body of Christ and will not be undone by one 291 word pseudo joke post. What it will take for starters is for Sister Tracy to admit to truth publicly. She could start with the premise of any of the greg_s posts on this page or even http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=180846#POST180846 post. (The “WHY WE EDIT” paragraph may be of particular interest to Sister Tracy; begin germane to her post-NTCC internet methods.) Or Sister Tracy could start with the not so lengthy http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=195635#POST195635. Even though Sister Tracy begins this latest post with an ‘it’s only a joke’ obfuscation she ends it with the following: “You get the point, eh, Greg? Put that in your calculator and count it. Instead of counting...read your Bible.” So was/is Sister Tracy really joking? Why don’t you decide this one. Then there is the issue of is Sister Tracy’s joke funny? Did you laugh at Sister Tracy’s latest entry onto TB:TTBFM!. Does Sister Tracy make you laugh when she stalks/lumbers/plods onto FACTNet et al? Would you characterize Sister Tracy as shrill at times in addition to being funny? Or just funny? Or just shrill? Again, Sister Tracy wants to characterize her 10/20/06 entry onto TB:TTBFM! as a joke; maybe eventually she will attempt to characterize the rest of her offerings elsewhere on the internet as a joke; they are just as funny as the post we are examining and of the same spirit being from the same person. Sister Tracy has been unwilling to grasp the implication of the frequency and content she has struggled to enter onto TB:TTBFM! when it is compared with the observable effortless fluidity of the rest of her internet activity. “WHAT A ONCE GRAND LADY HAS BECOME” CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 191 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.229.173.22 |
CONTINUING “WHAT A ONCE GRAND LADY HAS BECOME”… A ONCE GRAND LADY: There are some that would say much about Sister Tracy is funny because based upon her internet conduct she has become merely a caricature of her former self…a caricature of the grand lady she once was; she being the one that exaggerates her peculiarities and defects when she posts. The post-NTCC Sister Tracy is a blot that, on a regular basis, attempts to attach itself to the Body of Christ. My reason for the statement “the grand lady she once was” is based entirely on her internet conduct and the reason this observation is incontrovertibly valid while being based on so little is because it is impossible for any of us to cull out anything about ourselves as not relevant to the ‘real’ us. Again, sedition and its synonyms are now the overarching spirit Sister Tracy demonstrates regularly on the internet and this is therefore who she really is. John 14:21; John 15:10; 1 John 5:2-3; James 3:1-18; Matthew 15:17-20; Luke 6:41-46; Romans 1:28-32; Romans 13:8-10; James 1:8; James 4:8; James 3:10; James 3:12; James 4:11; Matthew 12:33-37; Titus 3:1-3; James 1:19-20 et al still apply to this once Grand Lady because she is still professing grasping at Christ as Savior. Yet she claims to see so her blot remains. Post-NTCC Sister Tracy has been attempting to publicly reconcile the conflicting realities that war within her; the latest proof of this is the title and stated premise of TB:TTBFM! when compared with most of its content and the rest of Sister Tracy’s internet conduct. It is impossible to hold onto all things at once. Love and slander; joy and revenge; peace and seething; longsuffering and sedition; gentleness and dispute; goodness and destruction; faith and turmoil; meekness and railing; temperance and reaction; Jesus and carnality et al can not be reality in the same being at the same time…one or the other will be the real person. It is what comes out of someone that either justifies or defiles that person. This is why Sister Tracy has been unable to celebrate the B-i-b-l-e on TB:TTBFM! and unless/until Sister Tracy allows God to once again effect the necessary change in her life she will never be able to genuinely celebrate the B-i-b-l-e. This is not to say that Sister Tracy does not celebrate online. Sister Tracy celebrates what is within her and this celebration is easily found and easy to accurately characterize as seditious et al. Again, for why any of this is relevant to the witness against the Body of Christ on FACTNet see http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=368341#POST368341 hyperlink regarding why the Ex’r Staff’s testimony is relevant. Adieu. Admitting to truth publicly, greg_s (If anyone has any truth they want us to admit to publicly sent us the link at exntcctextbook@yahoo.com…but keep in mind we do verify in accordance with God’s B-i-b-l-e; which is why, to date, none of these Ex’r Staff things move us.) | ||
| longgone Intermediate Member Username: longgone Post Number: 177 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 75.70.67.191 |
You sound like a real weird guy greg_s. Kind of creepy! gary garcia gpb77@juno.com | ||
| still_small_voice Senior Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 1264 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.10 |
Someone please help me out here, isn't there a word for using a thousand words to express what could be said in 10 or 20? What is it.... I am thinking, naw can't come up with it. Wait... Obfuscate. That will work and is close. My selected word of the day for this entire thread... obfuscated. As opposed to: Concise, succinct, terse Hmmmmm Greg your points are quite mired in obfuscation and tedium. You showed some improvement for a brief moment but have sunk back to your old ways... it's not too late, turn from the dark side... | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 192 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 195.93.60.134 |
TITLE: “Will The Real Sister Tracy Please Stand?” (Drafted 9/15/06, statistics updated.) A forecast of the first one-hundred days. WARNING: This is another greg_s posts consisting entirely of code (as have all greg_s posts to date). This is according to the ExNTCC definition of code. The ExNTCC definition of code is as follows: Anything said they don’t like. This, coincidentally, is also how ExNTCC historically has established what is an extra-Biblical rule or doctrine. WILL THE REAL SISTER TRACY PLEASE STAND?: Will the real Sister Tracy please stand? The real Sister Tracy already has…TB:TTBFM! is not coming to fruition and all else about her remains. We will assume since no public rebuke or censure against Sister Tracy is coming from the rest of the ExNTCC Staff that they are in agreement with her and have a like mind…a congenital inability to celebrate the B-i-b-l-e. On NNTCCOA (another Sister Tracy sponsored weblog) Sister Tracy added the following introduction by way of caveat to TB:TTBFM!…”O.K. You're gonna think I'm going off the deep end, but I've put together ANOTHER BLOG! The name of it is: THE BIBLE: That's The Book For Me! address: www.bibleforyoume.blogspot.com/ A whole series of events went into my decision to go ahead with starting this blog. It has nothing to do with NTCC {except maybe to shed some light on some bad doctrine along the way} I've had a thought for quite some time now that I should use the internet in whatever way I am able, to promote God's Word. To Tell The Good News. And all that goes along with that: Encouragement, Good Reports, Etc. Feel Free To Post Comments.” Sister Tracy avers on her newest weblog for God that TB:TTBFM! has nothing to do with NTCC (…) but, from the start, that has not been the case and notoriously, TB:TTBFM! has little to do with a celebration of the B-i-b-l-e either. Are any surprised that Sister Tracy hasn’t been able to deliver in this critical area? We would like to hear from you. “WILL THE REAL SISTER TRACY PLEASE STAND?” CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 193 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 195.93.60.134 |
CONTINUING “WILL THE REAL SISTER TRACY PLEASE STAND?”… WHO IS THE REAL SISTER TRACY?: Who is the real Sister Tracy? Well, on her newest and most ambitious weblog (TB:TTBFM!) for God to date Sister Tracy submits an audio weblog entry containing “Shout to the Lord!” with its lyrics by Darlene Zschech. Isn’t this copyrighted material? But, on yet another of her weblogs (WWSINTCC,) Sister Tracy rallies her fellow Ex’r Staff members against the http://exntccrsxposed.blogspot.com/ weblog for posting pictures and content in, what they hope is, a potentially illegally manner. This will also come to naught as anyone that has given a cursory examination of applicable laws and user agreements would know. One thing that is interesting is people that use http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntcc_support/ are not to use the service to…”upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable (…)” So once again we see it is the Ex’r Staff that are the ones on the wrong side of the law and user agreements. The Ex’r Staff have tried the copyright tack before in attempting to make inroads against our Christian Church. On http://whatwomenseeinntcc.blogspot.com/2006/09/song-someone-sent-me-today_14.html Sister Tracy shares someone sent her a CD in the mail. Was this CD a legal or illegal copy? In other words was it a wholesale/retail purchase or ‘ripped.’ Then Sister Tracy posts it with her new audio weblog feature. This material is copyrighted. Then directly above she posts about http://whatwomenseeinntcc.blogspot.com/2006/09/privacy-rights-clearinghouse.html to aid in researching potential privacy/property rights violations. Sister Tracy completely lacks consistency and historical perspective from one day to the next. Once again an Ex’rs glaring hypocrisy is on display. “WILL THE REAL SISTER TRACY PLEASE STAND?” CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 194 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 195.93.60.134 |
CONTINUING “WILL THE REAL SISTER TRACY PLEASE STAND?”… THE SISTER TRACY MAKEOVER: On Sunday, 9/10/2006 Sister Tracy added the above mentioned audio feature to her weblog(s). Sister Tracy does sound very reasonable doesn’t she? But we will see as time passes if the way Sister Tracy comes across (shrill, vindictive and seditious) in her writings on the internet will eventually manifest themselves in the audio weblog entries on TB:TTBFM!? You may have noticed how the modulation of Sister Tracy’s voice has changed since her first audio weblog on WWSINTCC. Also, Sister Tracy’s voice is now softer, smoother and much more feminine (coincidence or design) than when we all last saw/heard her during the September 2005 conference. You remember the Sister Tracy of the September 2005 conference when she was teaching us all about Children’s Church. The Sister Tracy of the deep voice; the Sister Tracy who looked uncomfortable in her holiness trappings (to some outward holiness is merely a prop or a means of belonging…to the rest of us outward holiness is an outward manifestation of the work God accomplishes on the inside subsequent to the beginning of our salvation). The Sister Tracy of the spread leg stance and lumbering gait; the Sister Tracy who looked like she would be more comfortable in coveralls and a tool belt or handling troops. Wasn’t Sister Tracy in the military? We are not being critical just sharing for the benefit of others, isn’t that what the Ex’r Staff say? http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4141/3292/320/Linda%27s%20Dance.jpg and http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4141/3292/1600/Linda%20and%20Tracy.0.jpg and http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4141/3292/1600/Pelfrey-family.jpg pictures are the Sister Tracy we remember from the September 2005 conference. Why is any of this relevant and not just nit picking? Well, Sister Tracy became a very vocal critic of our Christian Church very early in her career as an ExNTCC’r. She wrote/writes many hurtful things in her office (she is the self styled ‘Ex’rs Esther’) and as one of the more recent proselytes on the Ex’r Staff she uses strong language (shrill, vindictive and seditious - as we pointed out above and we all have seen) that is just this side of cursing (Although, she may end up cursing online also as many Ex’rs have to date.). But now she wants us to see her as something different from what she has presented herself as for the past seven plus months. Will the real Sister Tracy please stand? “WILL THE REAL SISTER TRACY PLEASE STAND?” CONTINUED BELOW… | ||
| greg_s Intermediate Member Username: greg_s Post Number: 196 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 195.93.60.134 |
CONTINUING “WILL THE REAL SISTER TRACY PLEASE STAND?”… SISTER TRACY THE MANIPULATOR: It is instructive that out of all the things that Sister Tracy posts about the book she is/was reading (not the B-i-b-l-e) part of what made it on to her weblog is in regard to one person manipulating another as follows: “Another reason is that the women involved aren't using their heads. Women ought to be able to study their man, figure out what his needs are, what makes him tick. They ought to help him know where he wants to go. They ought to be able to anticipate trouble and head it off. They ought to be brainy enough and sexy enough to hold a husband.” IRRELEVANT ASIDE: Whatever your opinion of Sister Tracy please assume that Brother Brian finds Sister Tracy sexy. Do any among us believe Sister Tracy would be able to manufacture a ‘Courtship Strut’ with a heel of any height? Inability is not necessarily a bad thing. It is inarguable that some women are in less danger of being lascivious than others; although all have the potential to be lascivious. Sister Tracy is not lascivious in any way. END IRRELEVANT ASIDE. This same thought (manipulate the one closest to you) runs through her next post on TB:TTBFM! about this same book (again, notably not the B-i-b-l-e). That Sister Tracy and the rest of the Ex’r Staff are manipulators is inarguable. They manipulate each other; they attempt to manipulate public opinion; they attempt to manipulate the Body of Christ et al. We will assume Brother Brain doesn’t mind or maybe doesn’t notice Sister Tracy’s manipulation…although, those of us that know Brother Brian know he has a propensity for manipulating people and circumstances from his earliest days as part of our Christian Church. Of course the Ex’r may counter that they learned this while a part of my Christian Church. The broken record of “Anything bad about me (the Ex’r) is because of this Church; anything bad I (the Ex’r) learned/do is because of this Church…” was dealt with briefly in http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=187759#POST187759 hyperlink. victorjohanson and family have relied somewhat heavily on this line of reasoning in the past; examples of which are found on FACTNet. Also, we are still waiting for Sister Tracy to tell us the name of this seemingly excellent book (not the B-i-b-l-e). SUMMATION: After one-hundred days (from 3 August to 10 November 2006) of observing TB:TTBFM! we are able to conclude the following: Based on all available evidence to date Sister Tracy is unable to celebrate God’s Word. Based on all available evidence to date Sister Tracy is consumed by the spirit of sedition. Based on all available evidence to date Sister Tracy is a hater. Based on all available evidence to date Sister Tracy is a manipulator. Based on all available evidence to date Sister Tracy is one dimensional (attack). Based on all available evidence to date Sister Tracy is an incredible witness. Based on all available evidence to date Sister Tracy is a hypocrite. Based on all available evidence to date Sister Tracy is not lascivious in any way. Based on all available evidence to date…ad infinitum. Sister Tracy should stick with what she has demonstrated she is most proficient at and comfortable with…attack, sedition, hate et al. Sister Tracy could rename TB:TTBFM! to “The Bible As An After Thought!” or “My Mistitled Weblog!” or “Sister Tracy’s Book Reviews!” but mostly “Sister Tracy And Her Past Triumphs In Christ!”. Merely another gadfly in the peanut gallery. greg_s (Merely another titling and tithing Christian…by God’s Command.) | ||
| still_small_voice Senior Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 1409 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Hey Greg, I am curious, what is the reason for the hope that is in you? | ||
| never_harm New member Username: never_harm Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.15 |
Brother Shunk, Please stop and pray before you post on factnet. Do you really think you are giving glory to God with what you are saying? Weren't you taught, like I was, in Bible school that if you can't help someone you should NEVER harm them? I am not someone who has left our org. I am a very faithful preacher's wife. I honestly can't see the love of our Lord in your words. Please, pray! | ||
| pelfdaddy Intermediate Member Username: pelfdaddy Post Number: 231 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.211.5.193 |
It's alright, neverharm. Let him continue. He has a $28,000 debt to pay off. Just another Davis henchman, the type that reveals the true face of ntcc. Say on, Greg. | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Advanced Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 621 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.5.193 |
Greg, Take down the pictures of me. You don't have permission to post them or link to them. If they are being shown elsewhere, I will go through the proper channels to get those taken down also. I am also going to contact the folks at Factnet about what you are doing...posting pictures without permission. They are hip to these cult tactics. You are using pictures as a way to make people belive things which are not true. I hope that folks looking in on Factnet...those who have been invited to one of your churches will observe very closely how similar your tactics are to those of MICHAEL KEKEL, GEORGE R. JORDAN, DAVID NELSON, AND OTHERS. You are all ministers in NTCC...and you all emulate your Founder, RW Davis. This forum is for those who want to post their experiences in cults and cult-like organizations...those which control and abuse people who come to their churches. Instead of carrying on a dialogue to defend what your organization believes and how your ministers behave...you resort to 8th-grade antics. You have no right to post pictures of anyone on the internet without their permission. YOU DO NOT HAVE MY PERMISSION. I don't care if it was a picture of me taking in the fragrance of a rose...you don't have my permission to post it publicly. Is this all you have to resort to because you cannot defend the practices and the peculiar doctrines of your organization? If you still have a blog somewhere which is showing these pictures...then they must be taken down also. I've said that before. Tracy Pelfrey | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Advanced Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 623 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.5.193 |
Greg, This is the first step that I've been instructed to take...which is...to show you what the rules are regarding posting on this forum. If you do not take down the pictures, then the moderator becomes involved and you will be in danger of being banned...along with your posts. Here is one of the posting rules: "You explicitly agree, in using this web site or any service provided, that you shall not: add, upload or transmit any Content to Factnet’s discussion board that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights ("Rights") of any party." TAKE IT DOWN NOW. }}} | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Advanced Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 624 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.5.193 |
Back in the summer of 2005...right before the conference that September, George Jordan was posting on Factnet in a harsh manner. I called T. Kekel one afternoon, I greeted her as I usually did, "Hi sister Kekel, how are you doing?". She responded, "Oh, have you been reading Factnet? Is that why you are calling?". I told her that "no", I had not. After the phone call and a brief description from her about what was going on...I went to look. I was disgusted at George Jordan's behavior and of Vdubbug...and others like them. I called T. Kekel back and told her that what he was doing was disgusting and it was bringing the organization into a bad light. I asked her the question, "Can't someone make him stop what he is doing?" Others must have made known their disgust...because just before the conference...things died down from him. Jordan, Nelson, Kekel, Shunk and others who have posted in their same "spirit"...are all indicative of the problem inherent in NTCC. At first, we thought it was a few stray "bullets"...but then we realized who the "pistol" was firing those bullets. I hope some of you posting here on behalf of NTCC...will contact your leadership council and voice your concern to them. You see, when problems like this have been brought to the attention of Davis, whether it was R. Denis or anyone else...he gives the response that it is all a matter of personalities. David Nelson...he just has a personality that rubs people the wrong way...he isn't actually doing anything wrong or unChristlike or out of line concerning the decorum of a preacher. I hope you will see that to be true. It is one of the many things we've been trying to get across. You see what we are talking about in the form of Nelson, of late...and as he derides Denis, he doesn't see that he is guilty of the same things that he accuses him of. Many of the folks that I've spoken with who went with HOP...relate how that Denis and his boys all claim to have this special inside track with God and that they tell people that they can pray to God to judge a person and He will do it. Nelson, Shunk, Kekel, Jordan...have all come out here pronouncing judgement upon all who dare to speak out against their abusive and controlling tactics. Kekel...represents the highest echelon of the leadership of NtCC...just under Davis... Jordan...someone who has also been around quite a long time. Nelson...not as long...but as you can see...the later generations of preachers in NtCC emulate the earlier models. Shunk...is somewhere inbetween. There are men being trained right now in the school and many of them will come away with this same "spirit"...because they've very likely seen it in their pastor and their overseer and then again when they went to Bible College in their Founder. Men like these are everywhere in your organization. If you are going to ask Nelson to stop, then you must also criticize Kekel, Jordan, Briggs and the others. They all learned it from someone...who IS that someone? Roger Davis, the Founder of New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. An organization which is known for its peculiar doctrines and widespread abuse and control of the members by many of its preachers. Denis learned much of what he does from DAvis. He was doing it while under Davis, and Davis turned a deaf ear to those which brought complaints and accusations against Denis for his behavior and that of his wife while in NTCC. He still turns the deaf ear. When will you realize this and see what you are a part of? I speak this in earnest. I hope that soon, and very soon, you will see. | ||
| still_small_voice Senior Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 1421 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.76 |
"Many of the folks that I've spoken with who went with HOP...relate how that Denis and his boys all claim to have this special inside track with God and that they tell people that they can pray to God to judge a person and He will do it." How utterly terrifying. I believe Denis thought this from way back as he once threatened to "pray against me" using "demons to come against me"... I guess he has passed out this special power and shared it with his buds. | ||
| bigboy Intermediate Member Username: bigboy Post Number: 260 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 75.131.112.187 |
Funny, he threatened my wife with the same garbage if she dared tell anyone why we left HOP. I would never have believed her had I not been listening on three way calling all the way in Iraq. | ||
| not_surprised Intermediate Member Username: not_surprised Post Number: 169 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 71.231.241.251 |
Bigboy, I would like to know why you left HOP. Denis never said that to me, but I did hear him tell people that he would "pray against them." He told someone that he would ask God to "choose between him or me" and that God would honor him because he does more for God. Denis gave me one nugget of advice before I left for Bible Boot Camp that I will never forget. He said, "If they teach you anything that is contrary to what I have taught you, forget what I taught you and adhere to their teaching. They're right, and I'm wrong, because that is where I learned." Denis was taught by RWD and was his most successful pupil. RWD once told Denis that he "was just like him." | ||
| bigboy Intermediate Member Username: bigboy Post Number: 261 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 75.131.112.187 |
I left HOP because we were lied to in order to get us to leave NTCC. 1. Denis had preachers collecting building offerings under the assumption that the money was being used to open another NTCC in the area. That money was being used to fund buildings for HOP. 2. Oloans passed out a CD declaring that the overseer he underhandedly recorded was compromising and that it was the attitude throughout NTCC. It turns out that Oloans set the man up and never told anyone that he caused the man to stumble. 3. Denis said he would be accountable to the people and that no minister would be above correction if they are wrong. These were just words to get people to dispise the caste system in NTCC, all the while his hand picked ministers were lifting him up in the eyes of people to a point where all were afraid to confront him when he did do wrong. 4. When people that we have known for years began to leave for whatever reason and still entreated them as brother/sister, Denis and Bradeen began pulpit bashing trying to pressure us into shuning those who had left. He even went so far as to call me a coward and tried to make it seem as if I did not want children to get saved. Then after the pulpit bashing service he would approach me and act as if nothing happened. When I was approached by Fryar and Robinson their only concern was "are you with HOP or not?" In a later conversation Bradeen would ask me the same question and my response to him was that I am on the Lords side. If it is right then it is right if it is wrong then it is wrong, and I left it at that. A couple of days later I redeployed to Iraq. 5. While in Iraq I called my wife after a midweek service to hear what was preached and how the service was and she informed me that she was being persecuted for doing hair in our home (silly). My home was referred to as "the crack house" from the pulpit and she was told that if she did anyone elses hair not to come back to the church. So I told my wife not to go back, to begin searching for another church home and even gave her addresses of other churches I wanted her to check out based on the testimonies (by the way they lived) of other Christians I encountered while deployed. When this was found out by Bradeen he obviously told Denis and Denis told a sister to tell my wife this: "You will go back to wearing a tongue ring and your husband will commit adultery." My wife being upset by this calls me in Iraq and tells me of it and I refuse to believe her because the bible says not to unless it be by the mouth of 2 or more. I tell her that if she wanted to know if it were true to simply call him and ask. Now my goal was to accomplish 1 of 2 things: 1. To hear it from the horses mouth. 2. Inform him that someone was spreading lies about him. Well it turns out that the horse opened his mouth a little wider than usual during this call and I heard some of the most vile things come out of the mouth of a man that I once respected. Here are some of the things said: 1. Don't call here yelling at me (if you know my wife you would know that she never raises her voice. I know that she did not because I was on 3 way and Denis did not know it.) 2. Yes I did say that and here is why, the person you are fellowshipping with is a gossiper and is being led by the devil. 3. Are you going to try to pull people out of church? If you do I will pray against you; do you want me to pray against you? | ||
| bigboy Intermediate Member Username: bigboy Post Number: 262 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 75.131.112.187 |
So we left HOP and began attending services on post and a funny thing happened. I learned what true giving was all about. Not only do they collect tithes and offerings but that money is used to assist people and businesses in the local community. I also discovered some other things: 1. Denis promised a prison, hospital and radio ministry. He gave the impression that it took money and more people to accomplish this. The church council on post which consisted of about 4 women did all of these things (did I mention that they all worked 9-5) and did these things for less than 60.00 a month. 2. That the church can actually be an asset to the community and not a bodily fluid sucking vampiric leech. | ||
| still_small_voice Senior Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 1423 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
"2. That the church can actually be an asset to the community and not a bodily fluid sucking vampiric leech." ding ding ding we have a winner. Exactly. I think they should rename their org. House of Prayer does not accurately reflect what is on the inside. I am undecided between "house of error" or "house of terror". | ||
| still_small_voice Senior Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 1424 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
"I left HOP because we were lied to in order to get us to leave NTCC. " Don't you understand? Lying is OK as long as it is done for 'god' (who often wears a suit). The ends justify the means seems to be their motto. Sadly, neither the ends nor the means are justifiable. | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Advanced Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 625 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 76.211.2.209 |
Greg, I know you have services to preach this weekend, so I'll wait until Monday. Then, I will pursue further action to get you to take down my pictures which you have posted without my permission. Greg Shunk is a preacher in New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. | ||
| pelfdaddy Intermediate Member Username: pelfdaddy Post Number: 236 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.211.2.209 |
"They're after our bodily fluids." --Dr. Strangelove (worth seeing) | ||
| longgone Intermediate Member Username: longgone Post Number: 210 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 207.225.19.221 |
"House of Horrors" sounds good from what i hear. "The Borg" for the Org sounds good. We know what they are (not all but definitely most) Self aggrandizing, narcissistic, pious to say the least. Greg seems like a schizoid in his writing he needs some serious counseling if you ask me. DMN, said to me "i suppose our fellowshipping was phoney" when i was in st louis. I'd just like to say that it was. Becuase my status as a christian has not changed but certainly our relationship with the people in the org have. Therefore, we can only conclude that the any, "friendship", "fellowshipping", and said "we love you" can only be purported. I have friends and family support, "Sinners" that show more love and friendship from any in the Bord. How can it be that sinners can show more agape love than those that claim to "preach the truth in Love". God still meets with me in services, prayer times, and personal bible reading times but ntcc doesn't. The Borg to me is like a cheap wine being passed off as an aged classic. gary garcia gpb77@juno.com Gary Garcia gpb77@juno.com | ||
| never_harm New member Username: never_harm Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.76 |
Tracy, where did Greg post these pictures? The ExNTCC site is gone and there is nothing on the NTCC member sites. Does he have a site of his own? I am not doubting you, I just wanted to know. Also, Greg, if you are posting her pictures without her permission you are wrong! I will be praying that God touch your heart to do what is right. | ||
| tracy_pelfrey Advanced Member Username: tracy_pelfrey Post Number: 626 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 69.208.10.237 |
Never Harm, It has already been established quite some time ago that various individuals took pictures and comments from a private Yahoo group. There were pictures posted which were taken from that group, but there were other pictures posted on the NTCC blog. Obviously, if you click on the links that Greg provided...they lead to somewhere...whether a private file, or a blogspot file (as it seems to indicate)...but it doesn't matter...because he is providing a link which is showing my picture without my permission. As I posted over the weekend, I am asking Greg to take down the pictures by midnight tonight or I will pursue going through the Factnet moderator to have him banned from posting here. They will be able to see that I've gone to him first, and I am asking him to take it down and they will also see his response. What is very disturbing is that he is a preacher in this organization. He is one of many who have acted in a similar manner. I hope those reading this forum will take note of that. Another disturbing thing about many of those who have commented about my pictures, as Greg Shunk has done...is that they "assume" something from a picture. As I stated when Robert Briggs made a feloneous assumption that I must be engaged in certain activities because of what was seen in a picture which was taken of me... I've visited my family many times and have had my picture taken with various memebers of my family. Sometimes there might be a glass of wine in the picture or a pack of cigarettes, but no one can make the right assumption that I must be smoking and drinking...because...after all...those items are in the picture. This is how this organization operates...they have peculiar doctrines and if you are even in a picture with a "sinner" and the "sinner's paraphenalia"...then you are guilty...as they charge. They then spread the gossip that it is truth. This tactic is performed in many of the NTCC churches. It is one of the many things we brought to the attention of Davis. He claims that it is all just a matter of "personalities." He doesn't have a problem with it. Greg Shunk is part of the problem that is pervasive in this organization. He is one of the many, not the few. He should take down the pictures and the links tonight or I'll have to pursue having the Factnet moderator to get involved. I don't know how he figures it is o.k. to do such things. It seems a little retaliatory. He doesn't like the way the truth about his leader is made known on this public forum...and so being unable to just refute what is said {which it cannot be}, he posts pictures of people without their permission and makes assumptions about people based on pictures. Greg Shunk is in debt to Davis to the tune of $28,000 + I guess I cannot blame him for feeling as if he at least owes the man some sort of defense on this public forum. I don't hold that against him at all. But, the way he is going about it is what is dishonest. | ||
| never_harm New member Username: never_harm Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.15 |
Thanks, Tracy. I remember the picture from the EXNTCC site. I personally didn't think anything of it. It looked like you were laughing and having a good time. It didn't make me think you were a sinner.(which I am sure it was supposed to do) If I visit my family I am not going to ask them to not smoke around me, etc. I am sure that there are some pictures of me like that too. I agree that what Greg and DMN are doing is nasty. I have lost my respect for these men. | ||
| still_small_voice Senior Member Username: still_small_voice Post Number: 1437 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.15 |
"Sometimes there might be a glass of wine in the picture or a pack of cigarettes, but no one can make the right assumption that I must be smoking and drinking...because...after all...those items are in the picture." Hmmmm you know, not all 'sins' are equal and I for one, would not be so quick (as many are) to point a finger at a glass of wine and cry SIN SIN! when, they are guilty of worse. Just sins that are easier to hide and cover up, deny and justify. | ||
| pelfdaddy Intermediate Member Username: pelfdaddy Post Number: 239 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 166.217.1.108 |
"Floating" rumors is a long-time Davis tactic. Speculations about departed individuals are given an airing, someone assumes the Man of God originated the information either through 'intelligence' or 'the Holy Ghost', and everyone is eager to believe the worst of those who leave. One minister who left ntcc was vilified afterward with a floated rumor that "it had something to do with internet pornography." Another man who merely wished to pursue his ministry elsewhere lost his family when Davis and his henchmen encouraged the man's wife to "come back" and remarry a loyal preacher. This was justified with the lie that "there was some abuse" and that "drugs might have been involved". And on and on and on... Without the benefit of photographic "evidence". | ||
| godislove Junior Member Username: godislove Post Number: 50 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 68.209.19.33 |
lgbt, It doesn't matter if he is defending who he loves or not. Also I know he did not say it was of God because not one single thing him or DMN has said on factnet has been of God(or even sincere for that matter). This man is supposedly a Holy Ghost preacher as is DMN and he spews these things out of his mouth. What if this man was your pastor? What would you do then? How are these men still in good standing? What do you feel should be done about it? God Bless | ||
| godislove Member Username: godislove Post Number: 51 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 68.209.19.33 |
lgbt, It doesn't matter if he is defending who he loves or not. Also I know he did not say it was of God because not one single thing him or DMN has said on factnet has been of God(or even sincere for that matter). This man is supposedly a Holy Ghost preacher as is DMN and he spews these things out of his mouth. What if this man was your pastor? What would you do then? How are these men still in good standing? What do you feel should be done about it? God Bless Patrick | ||
| letgodbetrue Intermediate Member Username: letgodbetrue Post Number: 347 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 69.132.171.182 |
Do I know you, Patrick? Have we ever met? Do you currently attend NTCC? I'm curious as to where you're coming from. You ask some really good questions...but ones I'm not prepared to answer. One thing I do know: we all must give an account for every idle word we say. I believe that applies to our written words, as well as those vocalized. Angela | ||
| not_surprised Intermediate Member Username: not_surprised Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 71.231.241.251 |
"It doesn't matter if he is defending who he loves or not. Also I know he did not say it was of God because not one single thing him or DMN has said on factnet has been of God(or even sincere for that matter). This man is supposedly a Holy Ghost preacher as is DMN and he spews these things out of his mouth. What if this man was your pastor? What would you do then? How are these men still in good standing? What do you feel should be done about it?" - godislove LGBT, I don't know who Patrick is, and it doesn't matter. I am reading his words and accepting them on their merits. Why do you care if you know him, or if you have ever met, or if he currently attends NTCC? Why are you curious? Answer his questions. That's nice that you find them to be "really good." Why aren't you prepared to answer them? Are you a Christian? Patrick has asked YOU questions in a very nice way and you are INTENTIONALLY avoiding them. JUST ANSWER THEM. You don't need to know anything else besides the name he has already revealed in order to answer them. I'm sure he knows, as do I, (and most people who post here) that "we must all give an account" and it's great that you understand that. I'M ASSUMING HE ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION BECAUSE HE ALREADY KNOWS HOW HE WOULD ANSWER IT!! He wants to know YOUR response. So do I. I think he wants to compare your response to his in order to see if they are similar. Patrick, please correct me if I'm wrong. Angela, why don't you speak plainly? Is it because you can't? I think that if you spoke plainly it would be detrimental to your pastor, and NTCC. You can't speak plainly and not risk incriminating yourself and NTCC. That's why you avoid me on other threads when I ask you a question. You disregard me because you cannot answer without admitting that your answer is in direct contradiction to the Bible. If I am wrong, than simply respond plainly! Before you give the knee-jerk response - - no, you do not have to prove anything to me, - no, I don't hate NTCC, or you, - I'm interjecting into your conversation with Patrick because I'm exposing you as a partisan NTCC'r, - you are avoiding the TRUTH because the TRUTH incriminates NTCC Are you a Christian? Do you believe the Bible.....? .....Then respond to Patrick plainly. For his benefit, ours, and for that of all the Christians who eagerly look forward to your answer. | ||
| letgodbetrue Intermediate Member Username: letgodbetrue Post Number: 348 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 69.132.171.182 |
I never asked godislove for a name. He volunteered the name Patrick. I don't know why. But, it made me wonder if I know him personally. Period. I answered his questions in the only manner I'm prepared to answer them. Period. I speak plainly. I have already spoken against DMN's posts and asked him to stop. I have already spoken against an offensive post by Greg. Period. I have not intentionally avoided you, not_surprised. "You disregard me because you cannot answer without admitting that your answer is in direct contradiction to the Bible." Hogwash Yes, I am a Christian. Yes, I believe the Bible. "....and for that of all the Christians who eagerly look forward to your answer." As if Brian Pelfrey's candid statement in the More Thief Talk thread is much more plausible. I appreciate its raw honesty:
I don't believe that you or "all the Christians who eagerly look forward to [my] answer" care one iota about what I think. You only want me to make your point for you. Make it yourself. Angela | ||
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