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david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 126
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.117.179
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 4:26 pm: | 
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"Life after Ramtha's School of Enlightenment"
A gathering for those who would like to reflect on their experience with the intention of moving on.
Sunday, September 24, 2006
10am-?
The gathering will begin with a featured speaker at 10am-?
Millersylvania State Park
12245 Tilley Road South, Olympia, 98512
Located 10 miles south of Olympia, WA. From I-5 take exit #95 and head east on Route 121. Follow signs to park, approximately 3 miles northeast of the freeway.
http://www.parks.wa.gov/parkpage.asp?selectedpark=Millersylvania
We will meet in an enclosed picnic shelter containing fireplace, sink and outlets. The structure can accomodate up to 250 people and is located on the edge of a beautiful lake. Bring a picnic.
Organised by former students of RSE.
David |
mathew_morrell
Junior Member
Username: mathew_morrell
Post Number: 31
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 12.73.195.205
| | Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 7:53 pm: |
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My free time is limited because of work and school, or else I would gladly attend the gathering; sounds like fun. Do we know who the speakers might be? |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 127
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 12.178.99.215
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:29 pm: |
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Hopefully this will be more than just a fun day,
This type of gathering is totally unheard of in Yelm and is long overdue.
There is an unfounded state of fear existing within RSE and the Yelm community to challenge JZ Knight Inc,
This is a major factor for many to overcome just to turn up.
We have several speakers lined up. One of them is flying in from the east coast.
We will announce who they are later in September.
Yes.. a fun day in a beautiful and safe environment…
Where "life after RSE" will be supported and encouraged by former students of RSE.
I hope you can make it.
David |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 192
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 1:23 am: |
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You may want to check this website out...
http://www.freedomofmind.com/ |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 128
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 12.178.99.215
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 8:07 pm: |
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Here is the contact email for our "Life after RSE" event this month.
LARSE@ywave.com
If you would like to help out in anyway...........
please don’t hesitate to contact me.
David
(Message edited by David_McCarthy on September 03, 2006) |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 129
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 12.178.99.215
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 8:13 pm: |
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here it is again....
LARSE@ywave.com |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 134
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.109.39
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 8:21 pm: |
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Joe Szimhart is our featured speaker.
Here is his Bio..
Joe Szimhart, is an artist and was a seeker within the Theosophy traditions during the 1970s, especially through the Agni Yoga Society, the I AM Activity and the Church Universal and Triumphant. During the early 1980s he became a critic of those groups and began a career as a "cult information specialist." The Ramtha movement, also a product of the Theosophy milieu of channeled gods and masters, came into his awareness in 1984 when he visited a horse fair in Albuquerque where he got a Messiah Arabians brochure.
He pursued a full-time international career as an exit counselor from 1986 through 1998, since working part-time in that field. Currently he is employed by a psychiatric emergency hospital in Pennsylvania as an intake and crisis manager.
Szimhart has appeared on many television and radio programs since the early 1980s. He was a media consultant for the "20/20" feature on Ramtha in 1987. He was later a witness for Jeff Knight in a divorce settlement dispute with Knight's former wife. He has delivered papers at the Association for Psychology of Religion and at the International Cultic Studies Association meetings. He has written extensively about new religions and cults with many articles and reviews published in the Skeptical Inquirer and the Cultic Studies Journal.
Sample writings and artwork are on his website:
http://home.dejazzd.com/jszimhart
Szimhart is married and has three daughters. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 135
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.109.39
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 5:34 am: |
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We will gather at Kitchen # 1 at the MillerSylvania State Park.
We visited the park today ..old growth trees..lake..a nice covered area too..
..."Perfect" |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 137
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.109.39
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 2:29 am: |
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Part 1
>----- Original Message -----
From: "steve"
><steve@kleinerskorner.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:51 PM
>Subject: Meeting for former + current RSE students titled "Life
>After RSE (LARSE)"
>
>
>Dear all,
>
>I am writing this a a private citizen & fellow Ramtha School of
>Enlightenment (RSE) student.
>My comments here should not be construed in any way as a
>representative
>of JZ Knight, JZK, Inc. or RSE.
>My remarks are my own.
>
>Today's Nisqually Valley News (NVN) published a front page headline
>story
>titled "Life after RSE focus of meeting Sunday" and give alot of ink
>to a former RSE student who has not been to an event for 10 years.
>
>Quoting the NVN story:
>"A former student of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment is bringing
>together others who have attended
>RSE this weekend to talk about their experiences at the school.
>David McCarthy is calling for ex-RSE students and nay interested
>current
>students of JZ Knight's school
>to gather Sunday at Millersylvania Park.
>Among those slated to be at the gathering is Joe Szimhart, an "exit
>counselor," who began a career as a cult
>information specialist after his own experience in several groups
>that
>he describes as similar to RSE...
>The purpose and mission of this weekend's gathering is clear -- to
>offer
>support and information to those who
>wish to "move on" with their lives, according to McCarthy.
>Without being specific to RSE, he said, Szimhart will "speak as a
>spiritual seeker, and as an artist."
>"Promises were made, but not kept," claims McCarthy, adding that
>those
>who came to study at RSE "with an open
>heart" like he did, thought they would achieve healing,
>enlightenment,
>and ascension.
>Szimhart has appeared on many television shows and a number of books
>reference his research on cults and other spiritual matters, he
>said."
>
>
>My trurth is that every local RSE student would wish to attend and
>assist this group to "'move on' with their lives" by listening,
>learning and wishing them well
>in their endeavors. Perhaps there may be an opening to share your
>personal accomplishments, healings and contemplations with the
>intent of
>uplifting the collective
>from those of you that have broken through your "walls" to share
>what
>integrating this work into our lives has meant since Mr. McCarthy
>left a
>decade ago.
>
>So, I encourage all of your readers to attend with a light heart,
>warm
>smile and a gift of their embrace with love for our former students,
>and
>wish them well
>as they desire to "move on" to the next step in their journey.
>
>Please be aware that local media may be in attendance, so be wise!
>
>Details for those attending the meeting:
Continued .... |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 138
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.109.39
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 2:35 am: |
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Part 2.
>Details for those attending the meeting:
>
>Date: Sunday, September 24th
>Time: 10a.m.
>Location: Millersylvania State Park:
>http://www.parks.wa.gov/parkpage.asp?selectedpark=Millersylvania
>
>Directions:
>
>Take 507 to Tenino,
>
>Turn right onto Howard St N.
>
>Then immediate left onto Fenton W.
>
>Which becomes McDuff
>
>Stay on McDuff and turn left onto 143^rd Ave. SE
>
>Turn right onto Tully to 12245 - 2.25 miles ahead
>
>
>
>Please, spread the word to as many current students as possible!
>
>The full text of the story can be accessed on the NVN site by
>subscribers only:
>http://yelmonline.com/
>so please get the NVN and read the story in full before attending.
>
>Steve Klein.
***********************************************
My e-mail response to Steve Klein.
Hello Steve,
It appears from the email that I received (see below) that you are encouraging current students of RSE to attend and to "witness" to the gathering. This violates the stated purpose.
The persons attending already know about the "positive experiences."
If current students wish to organize a gathering to speak about their own version of RSE, I fully support that truth.
We ask that you respect our purpose for the gathering.
Here is our flyer, please feel free to forward this flyer and request on to your group.
Sincerely,
David McCarthy |
voidgate
Intermediate Member
Username: voidgate
Post Number: 130
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 144.138.162.165
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 5:52 am: |
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Sent to Steve Klein as a result of the above communication.
Hello Steve,
I received a copy of your intent to get current RSE students to attend the "Life Beyond RSE" gathering. Someone who has current interest in the teachings has no sincere interest in what a cult expert has to say.....unless they are current and contemplating leaving very soon. I do recommend that you turn up and tell all those current students who find the teachings beautiful to go away and stop trying to enforce your viewpoint upon other people. It is quite hypocritical and you know darn well it is. Your presence is not wanted. Kindly allow those with a different viewpoint to have their gathering in peace. Take your big smiles and warm wishes and give them to people that enjoy being manipulated. It is thoroughly disrespectful to Joe Szimhart to have insincere people in the audience. Are you willing to compensate him for his journey and expenses? I do recommend that if you do not show up to get your collective out of there that you reimburse David McCarthy and make a public apology to the sincere attendees and Joseph Szimhart.
The tactics RSE uses to try to gain a better public image are disgusting. Take the image of Yeshua and go bury it for a change. |
voidgate
Intermediate Member
Username: voidgate
Post Number: 131
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 144.138.162.165
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 5:54 am: |
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Sent to Steve Klein as a result of the above communication.
Hello Steve,
I received a copy of your intent to get current RSE students to attend the "Life Beyond RSE" gathering. Someone who has current interest in the teachings has no sincere interest in what a cult expert has to say.....unless they are current and contemplating leaving very soon. I do recommend that you turn up and tell all those current students who find the teachings beautiful to go away and stop trying to enforce your viewpoint upon other people. It is quite hypocritical and you know darn well it is. Your presence is not wanted. Kindly allow those with a different viewpoint to have their gathering in peace. Take your big smiles and warm wishes and give them to people that enjoy being manipulated. It is thoroughly disrespectful to Joe Szimhart to have insincere people in the audience. Are you willing to compensate him for his journey and expenses? I do recommend that if you do not show up to get your collective out of there that you reimburse David McCarthy and make a public apology to the sincere attendees and Joseph Szimhart.
The tactics RSE uses to try to gain a better public image are disgusting. Take the image of Yeshua and go bury it for a change. |
journeythroughramthaland
Junior Member
Username: journeythroughramthaland
Post Number: 31
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.130.149.15
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 5:11 pm: |
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Strange,
There seemed to be a lot of empahsis put on David not being a student for over a "decade'...
Though it never seemed to make a difference when speakers at the ranch had "20 year old security clearences that were to be suspect at best, or were mind control sex slaves for about every politician in the country 20 years a go.......etc, etc, etc...... but then again, all those matters of "great importance" they came to warn and inform about must pale in comparision with this weekends event.... |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 139
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.109.39
| | Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 5:37 pm: |
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A powerful weekend………………….
There is just to much to write at this moment..
I need a little time to fully grasp an understanding of the events.
It was heartening and "enlightening" to see Joe Szimhart in action....
And to witness the courage of former students speak out against the
JZ Knight’s tyranny.
Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.
I will write more soon
David |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 140
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.109.39
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 12:02 pm: |
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I received this e-mail this morning………
David - Would you be willing to post the following on FactNet for me?
Ramsters attending the Life after RSE gathering is like a bunch of drunk
alcoholics attending an AA meeting with "a light heart, warm smile and a
gift of their embrace with love"! - Except the Ramster has the advantage
of advanced Teaching and practice in knowing they can make a difference
simply where they are - they know remote viewing, they know
teleportation, they know the power of the mind, they certainly know how
powerful they are particularly as a collective - so they, above all
people would know that there was no need to be physically present at the
gathering to surround us with 'light hearts, warm smiles and the gift of
their embrace with love' -- For God's sake, even the most fallen
Christian knows that prayer works long distances - I don't have to go to
Biafra to 'embrace with love' the people of Biafra.... So why did they
have to physically attend a meeting specifically not for them. And
aren't Ramsters and the Ramster radio station the ones disseminating
info about Dr. Len and Ho' oponono - where he clearly clearly clearly
states, wherever you are, simply recognize the oneness of all, and ask
God for forgiveness (i.e. acknowledge Divine Order). It's "their"
teaching/truth/discovery -- how come they don't know that?
Are any of the Ramsters who read this capable of seeing the obvious?
Needless to say - there was not exhibited by one Ramster present an iota
of warmth or love - only false and superiorally shallow smiles. And if
they were there to "listen(ing), learn(ing) and wish(ing)...well", why
did they find it necessary to ask questions with the specific, and
obvious intent of sabotaging the speaker, put him on the defensive, and
discredit anything he had to say? And if they have learned to so expand
their brain capacity, and powers of mind, how come they couldn't
comprehend any of the speakers responses?
Only Love is real. And so it is. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 141
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.109.39
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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Our schedule worked out very well, most RSE supporters left after Joe's presentation.
September 24, 2006,
Millersylvania Park
LARSE / LIFE AFTER RSE Gathering
Introduction of featured speaker by David McCarthy
11 am-1 pm – featured speaker, Joe Szimhart, presentation
followed by questions and answers
Announcement for donations to cover fees and expenses
1-2 pm -- Break/Lunch
2-4 pm –moderated comments by people moving on from RSE
4 pm – possibly watch news video of 20/20, Mafu and James Randi
email for contact
LARSE@ywave.com
ATTENTION TO PRESS – PLEASE NO PHOTOGRAPHS WITHOUT CONSENT
After the video viewing there will be an opportunity for the press to talk
with David McCarthy, Joe Szimhart and others. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 142
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.109.39
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 12:14 pm: |
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Joe Szimhart's Outline for general lecture at “Life after RSE” gathering
with plenty of time for Q&A:
Ramtha in context:
A look at similar groups and their history
The speaker’s experience as a former member of a similar group
Conversion:
What’s the attraction? Effects of participation
De-conversion:
Confusion, ambivalence, depression, anger, recovery
Reading list:
Take back your life: Recovering from cults and abusive relationships
by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias (2006)
Bounded Choice: True believers and charismatic cults
by Janja Lalich (2004)
Madame Blavatsky’s Baboon by Peter Washington (1993)
Ancient Wisdom Revived by Bruce F. Campbell (1980)
How to think about weird things: Critical thinking for a new age
by Theodore Schick and Lewis Vaughn (4th edition)
Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control by Kathleen Taylor (2004)
Recovery workshops and assistance: www.csj.org and www.refocus.org
Speaker’s website: http://home.dejazzd.com/jszimhart/
cult (k¾lt) n. 1.a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. b. The followers of such a religion or sect. 2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual. 3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual. 4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease. 5.a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing. b. The object of such devotion. 6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest. --attributive. Often used to modify another noun: a cult figure; cult films. [Latin cultus, worship, from past participle of colere, to cultivate. See kwel-1 below.] --cul“tic or cult“ish adj. --cult“ism n. --cult“ist n. (American Heritage Dictionary) |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 145
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 3:05 pm: |
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Our flyer stated:
LIFE AFTER RSE.
A gathering for those who would like to reflect upon their experience with the intention of moving on.
Organized by former students of RSE.
Why was this so threatening to JZ knight that she would send the troops to our gathering?
Why would Steve Klein e-mail his group requesting them to turn up to “assist us” with our intent?
This kind of behaviour exemplifies the arrogance of RSE Inc.
Why would Bettye Johnson launch an E-mail slander attack on myself and Joe Szimhart?
If you say it was thier truth, then I have nothing more to say to you,
If you say show me the truth of this, Then I will show you.
There is fear in many former and current students to speak “their truth” about RSE.
Yes.. I do have criticism of RSE Inc and JZ Knight and I would like some answers
and accountability to those issues, and just as important
I would like to see community support for former RSE students.
In the light of “enlightenment”
David. |
mathew_morrell
Junior Member
Username: mathew_morrell
Post Number: 39
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 75.30.216.182
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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How is Bettye Johnson slandering you? |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 147
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 11:25 pm: |
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mathew,
I do not intend to post what Bettye Johnson wrote to her RSE group,
This will only serve her smear campaign,
And divert my energies away from the real issues of JZ Knight Inc. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 148
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 1:36 am: |
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An interesting side note,
A good friend has just returned from Russia after a 30 year absence,
she was shocked to discover countless new age cults.
Cult competition is growing out there..
I can just see it now.. ”Enlightenment” 50% discount,
Chuckle
David |
voidgate
Intermediate Member
Username: voidgate
Post Number: 139
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 144.138.162.204
| | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 4:10 am: |
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The New Age/alternative product market is rampant with fraud and a lack of accountability whilst making a large profit for those presenting unsubstantiated ideas as beneficial.....little difference to multilevel marketing strategy with a few testimonials to get others convinced whilst many give their money for things that do not work.
A 50% discount on Enlightenment is still overpriced. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 159
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 4:34 am: |
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From...
The Nisqually Valley News 9/22/2006
Cindy Teixeira
Staff reporter
Life after RSE focus of meeting Sunday
‘Yelm was to be the Golden Mecca’
A former student of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment is bringing together others who have attended RSE this weekend to talk about their experiences at the school.
David McCarthy is calling for ex-RSE students and any interested current students of JZ Knight's school to gather Sunday at Millersylvania Park.
Among those slated to be at the gathering is Joe Szimhart, an "exit counselor," who began a career as a cult information specialist after his own experience in several groups that he describes as similar to RSE.
"It's really just about sharing stories," said McCarthy, though he admits to being concerned that newspaper coverage before the meeting may keep some former RSE students from attending.
"It's one thing for me to step forward, because I'm not afraid, but there are others who haven't come that far yet."
The purpose and mission of this weekend's gathering is clear - to offer support and information to those who wish to "move on" with their lives, according to McCarthy.
Without being specific to RSE, he said, Szimhart will "speak as a spiritual seeker, and as an artist."
"Promises were made, but not kept," claims McCarthy, adding that those who came to study at RSE "with an open heart" like he did, thought they would achieve healing, enlightenment, and ascension.
Szimhart has appeared on many television shows and a number of books reference his research on cults and other spiritual matters, he said.
"He knows the neighborhood very well," said McCarthy.
A native New Zealander, McCarthy said he first heard of Ramtha, a 35,000-year-old warrior spirit purportedly channeled by Knight, in 1987.
People that he knew who studied with Ramtha began to teach him Ramtha's "disciplines," including breathing and concentration techniques.
He visited Yelm for a beginner's event in 1989, and returned for more study in 1990.
He decided to stay.
Consequently, he left his family - a wife and two daughters - behind in New Zealand because, he said, "I thought the work was too important."
"The work" he thought he was doing would improve the world.
"I thought I was studying what really matters in the heart of a human being. All who came here had open hearts, with good intent, I think, to make a difference in the world."
"There were promises of healing one's self and others," he said, and "creating great wealth which is beneficial for everyone, including the planet."
Students expected they would attain levels of consciousness that would make a difference in the community in a positive way.
"Yelm was to be the Golden Mecca," McCarthy said.
"People," McCarthy said he was told in the early days, "would flock to Yelm by the millions."
After seven years in school, McCarthy quit attending RSE.
"Somewhere in that journey I found myself empty and fearful," he said. "I had to stop and take stock of my life and own accountability of leaving my children, my family."
"If you're looking for enlightenment before the first snow, it's just not going to happen," said McCarthy.
Mike Wright, spokesman for RSE, said Tuesday the school has no official comment about the gathering because he's not sure what the intent is.
Whether students might violate the school's nondisclosure statement that they are required to sign if they gather in such a manner, Wright said, "depends on which agreement they signed.
Continued..
(Message edited by David_McCarthy on October 10, 2006) |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 160
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 4:36 am: |
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9/22/2006
The Nisqually Valley News 9/22/2006
Cindy Teixeira
Staff reporter
It has changed over the years."
All incoming RSE students must sign a stringent nondisclosure form and agree the information they learn is for personal use only.
By signing the current contract to attend RSE, students agree "not to teach or disseminate anything you believe you received from Ramtha in a dream, a vision, or any other source."
Students also agree not to hold the school liable in case of injuries during participation.
"The agreement doesn't say they cannot discuss what they learned," Wright said, however.
"If it's just about their experiences as students ... and no one's done anything that violates the agreement" it shouldn't be a problem.
"Current students gather in a number of times and places."
Wright said that he's not sure of the purpose for the gathering, and added that he only knew about it because he saw an advertisement placed in the Nisqually Valley News.
If the purpose is the airing of a grievance, he said, "we'd prefer them to contact us to let us know what their grievances are."
Now, nearly 10 years after leaving RSE, McCarthy said he is doing what he's been waiting for someone else to do.
"I'm looking to help those who want out," he said, "including former students who can't seem to get on with their lives."
Hoping to provide information and form a support network, McCarthy said that he is calling for people to share their experiences as RSE students.
He said he's gotten beyond thinking of himself as a failure, and now measures his success in life by things other than what he was taught at RSE.
"I started exploring what was important in my life, my family and loved ones, and particularly the arts and music.
McCarthy is a successful musician whose songs have won national acclaim in the independent music business. Despite his feelings about RSE, he said he remains friends with many current students.
McCarthy said he doesn't need to pay to learn how to create an extraordinary life.
"We were taught that we do not appreciate what we do not pay for, but when I watched my child's birth, did I need to pay for that to appreciate it?"
McCarthy warns that those who attend Sunday's meeting will not be permitted to proselytize for any organization or product.
"We request respect," he said, adding he is only interested in expressing his First Amendment right.
• McCarthy's gathering is 10 a.m., Sunday, Sept. 24, at Millersylvania State Park, 12245 Tilley Road S., Olympia. the group will meet in Kitchen 1 and McCarthy suggests people bring a picnic. The park is 10 miles south of Olympia, off exit 95. For more information, e-mail to larse@ywave.com |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 217
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 8:07 am: |
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David,
Good for you, saying you don't have to pay to have an extraordinary life !
When JZ came out with that newest TRADEMARKED phrase, I thought to myself, "How arrogant and condescending she is!"
The innuendo is clearly that otherwise, we do not have, or cannot have, an extraordinary life.
Thank you very much, but my life is a gift, an extraordinary gift, and I don't need her "school" to make it so. Nobody does.
That extraordinary school needs to look in the mirror. It hasn't produced anything extraordinary in 25 years.
Isn't it time to retire yet ? |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 161
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.114.41
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 3:15 am: |
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Gathering draws former, current Ramtha students
Cindy Teixeira
Staff reporter
The Nisqually Valley News 9/29/2006
P.O. Box 597
Yelm, Washington 98597, USA
Our main telephone number:360- 458-2681
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Renee Suberi was among more than 30 people who attended Sunday's meeting of ex-Ramtha students.
Coordinated by David McCarthy, the "Life After RSE" meeting at Millersylvania State Park was aimed at former members of Yelm's Ramtha School of Enlightenment, where JZ Knight purportedly channels a 35,000-year-old warrior from ancient Lemuria.
Suberi abandoned her student status 10 years ago, after 10 years in the school, and never returned.
She estimated she spent about $13,000 for "events" during that time.
"The second best thing I ever did was go to that school. The first best thing was when I left," Suberi said.
McCarthy arranged the meeting because, he said, there are people who don't seem to have an easy time after leaving RSE as Suberi did.
Some feel shunned by friends who stay in the school. Some feel anger because they claim they were duped, abused and "bamboozled."
Current students were invited Sunday as well in an e-mail sent by staunch Ramtha supporter Steve Klein. A copy of the e-mail, was provided to the Nisqually Valley News by an ex-student. In it, Klein urged the fellow students to attend and "assist this group to move on with their lives by listening, learning, and wishing them well in their endeavors."
By the time the meeting started, about 20 current students, some of whom brought their children, were on hand.
"There was no exhibit, by one Ramster present, an iota of warmth or love - only false and superficial shallow smiles," said a former student who asked that she not be named.
Mike Wright, an official representative for RSE, said he attended the meeting "on the clock."
Wright, interviewed at the Nisqually Valley News office Tuesday with James Flick, JZ Knight's "significant other," said he attended because of questions last week posed in the NVN coverage, and also because he read allegations on message boards on anti-RSE Internet sites.
Wright called Sunday's meeting a "tempest in a teapot," and said McCarthy's call for accountability was not addressed, "at least while I was there."
McCarthy said Wednesday that he plans to make a big pot of tea and "it will be called 'truth.'"
"And we're going to make a lot more tea, too."
The Life After RSE group will continue to meet and is planning more public meetings in the near future, McCarthy said. "It's important to get the information out there and let people make up their own minds."
"There will be further tea parties."
Speaking on behalf of Knight, Flick said the story in last week's Nisqually Valley News about Sunday's meeting was "over hyped" and shouldn't have been on the front page of the newspaper.
"It's unfortunate that a small group who have not been in school for 10 years get the front page," said Flick.
"We have reports on people who have healed themselves and come through the halls of the school who have made a better life for themselves. When are they going to take responsibility and move on?" he asked.
"There are lots of people who don't like us," Flick said, among them neo-Nazis.
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Gathering draws former, current Ramtha students
The Nisqually Valley News 9/29/2006
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McCarthy challenged Flick's statement and said he wants to see evidence from RSE as to how people have used the teachings to achieve "remarkable things."
"Although they say the teachings do not work for everyone, show me who they do work for," he said. "Show me how one person created an extraordinary healing or is 20 years younger, anything."
"Remote viewing doesn't cut it," he said. "That's not remarkable."
When Robert Menna, the father of a former student, asked for the documentation several years ago, he never received it, said Menna's daughter, Alexandra.
She left the school five years ago, partly because of the school's lack of response to her father's request for documentation.
Flick also criticized the Nisqually Valley News for not publishing the good things RSE students do in the community. For instance, the students passed a hat at an event several years ago and raised money for a soldier, whom they did not know and who does not live in this community.
The story did not run on the front page.
Flick believed that story should have had a more prominent place in the newspaper.
Wright said he didn't attend Sunday's meeting to intimidate anyone, nor did he think any other student was there for that purpose.
If the intent was not to intimidate, an ex-student asked, "why did they find it necessary to ask questions with the specific, and obvious intent of sabotaging the speaker, put him on the defensive, and discredit anything he had to say?"
As speaker Joe Szimhart spoke and answered questions, Wright took copious notes.
Before Szimhart spoke, however, McCarthy addressed current students, "I've been told to have a wine ceremony and get over this."
Just because he'd been out of school for 10 years, McCarthy said, "That doesn't discount my experiences. I was one of the radical few just like you think you are."
A former "exit counselor" and theosophy authority, Szimhart said his knowledge about groups such as Ramtha followers was gained through study and experience.
He gave an extensive portrait of his background as a "seeker" and spoke of the history of new age gurus.
"Groups like this are not immune to controversy," he said. "They are either on the leading edge or the lunatic fringe, depending how you look at it."
Ramtha claims to be part of the "Great White Brotherhood," Szimhart said, a movement which began 400 years ago with the Rosicrucians.
People join such groups, he said, because they are narcissistic. Narcissism is necessary to a point, but it can turn into a disorder that's not healthy.
"If we experience it," he said, "it must be true."
They think if they first reach self-realization, he explained, then they can help the world.
Szimhart told the crowd that "cult" is the proper word to use, in the academic sense, for a variety of situations, because in that sense, "it's not pejorative."
A student challenged Szimhart on that comment, and insisted RSE is a school. His response; "There is the cult of Ramtha."
There are also cults within mainstream religions, too, he said, like Bible cults, cults within the Catholic Church.
Szimhart said he is Catholic, and unapologetic for it.
Between 1987 and 1998, there were 450 different kinds of groups, and Ramtha was one of them, he said. Brainwashing and thought reform "is something you do to yourself to stay in the group."
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Gathering draws former, current Ramtha students
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"If you know so much, what is your solution to life? What's the truth?" a current student asked Szimhart.
"You asked the wrong question," he said. "Refine your quest, expand your notions." Whether RSE is a school or a religious organization, "In the academic world it's part of the new religion movement, and a for-profit organization."
Szimhart suggested many books as reference materials and invited people to read them for more information.
One student asked what Szimhart offers in place of RSE. In response, he held up a book called, "Take Back Your Life."
The student said Szimhart was just telling students to give up one book, an RSE publication, for another.
Suberi said she stopped thinking for herself while attending RSE, and used Ramtha as a cloak of protection.
Exit counselors help people expand their circle of influence, but the stages of recovery can last for months and years, Szimhart said.
Wright dismissed Szimhart's qualifications as an exit counselor, however. He said there is no certification or any such organization to validate someone who calls themselves that.
Szimhart hasn't been to the school, so he's not qualified to speak about that either, Wright added.
After the meeting, Szimhart said the exit costs to address are the same in RSE as in other groups he's dealt with.
"Any group that suggests a member needs to immerse themselves completely to succeed and to leave everyone who holds them back will accrue a huge social, emotional, intellectual and financial investment," he said. "The lingering beliefs (of ex- RSE members) tend to be more magical and paranormal than most ex-members."
Afterward, Szimhart said RSE students are not very different.
"All new religious groups are unique but the behaviors that define them as a totalist society or thought reform system or 'cult' are the same as other groups with the same behaviors.
The basic behaviors he listed are compliance with a group, dependence on a leader, avoiding dissent, and devaluing outsiders.
Suberi said leaving RSE forced her to look within and become her own inner teacher. Though fellow students shunned her, she found she didn't want to be around them anymore, anyway.
"They had nothing I wanted."
She went to Ramtha, she said, because she wanted to find God.
The complete emphasis these days at RSE is on science - science became the god, quantum field and physics," said Suberi.
Wright and Flick maintain that the basic core message of the teachings have not changed over the years.
The school is progressive, and after a student learns the philosophy, they need to learn how to apply the techniques.
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