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bachman
New member
Username: bachman
Post Number: 23
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 216.254.106.157
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:04 pm: | 
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Never heard of him, read his book on Intercessory Prayer and sort of liked the first three chapters--he was humble and funny and it was pretty inspiring.
But then he started talking about all his dreams and visions and how God "led" him to park in lot number 23 and then he read Matthew 23 and his cousin turned 23 and at 2:30 he did this and on and on and on.
Then he felt led to pray for the nation, state by state and city by city so Bush could be elected --- "and righteousness, not perfection" was restored to the White House. (His words!)
Anyway, it just got sort of weird and all these "dreams and signs and wonders" and the book was published just after Katrina which I think we FAILED in addressing and he sort of skimmed over it.
Anyway, anyone read his book(s) and am I just over-reacting or what?
Thanks! |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 469
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 208.54.95.1
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:26 pm: |
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I like Dutch Sheets.
He usually speaks the truth. |
miltietoast
Intermediate Member
Username: miltietoast
Post Number: 258
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.159.19.127
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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jbk again
dutch and my brother inlaw were very close friends at Christ for the Nations Dallas TX.Do not know Dutch but my brother-in-law is a role model to me |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 481
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 208.54.95.1
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:04 pm: |
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Miltie:
CFNI is an awesome organization.
If your brother-in-law is a role model to you, and both you and he are strong and mature Christians, you sure do not act like a strong and mature Christian on the forum.
For some reason, I don't buy what you say about your brother-in-law. |
miltietoast
Intermediate Member
Username: miltietoast
Post Number: 260
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.159.19.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:02 am: |
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that is okay krems I'm not selling
I never claimed to be strong nor mature.Matter of fact I like weakness.
My brother in law was practically second in command at CFNI behind Mrs Linday.He graduateed there and led lead worship there.
We have good and fun discussions.My other brother in law also graduated from CFNI.He is a lot like you.Doesn't listen so good. |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 484
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 129.15.127.253
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:27 am: |
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Miltie:
Was your brother in law Keith Hulen, or Kevin Jonas? Or someone who preceded both of them?
What does your other brother-in-law do, since he graduated from CFNI and is a lot like me? |
miltietoast
Intermediate Member
Username: miltietoast
Post Number: 263
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.159.19.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:42 am: |
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His name is Massa.Dutch mentions him in first book.He was active at CFNI durung the 70's.Three of his children have attended CFNI one has graduated
Other brother (whom I love dearly,were just not on same wave lenght)works for US Post Office but is on active duty with Air Guard as an air nurse.Highly educated little common sense |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 487
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 129.15.127.253
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:45 am: |
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Interesting.
I've never heard of Massa, although I've read Dutch's books. But that was several years ago.
Well, at least your other brother is serving others and serving God using his talents and gifts. That's good. |
miltietoast
Intermediate Member
Username: miltietoast
Post Number: 265
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.159.19.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:56 am: |
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He is a servant and has a pastors heart. He was in Maranatha with my myself and my wife (his sister)CFNI brother in law never fell for maranatha, |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 489
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 129.15.127.253
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:02 am: |
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Miltie:
I think the values between CFNI and Maranatha are somewhat different. CFNI is more mainstream and has a broader approach that does not include the same shepherding/discipleship tendencies that Maranatha adopted. |
miltietoast
Intermediate Member
Username: miltietoast
Post Number: 267
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.159.19.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:08 am: |
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agree   |
jbkrems
Intermediate Member
Username: jbkrems
Post Number: 492
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 129.15.127.253
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:12 am: |
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Miltie:
CFNI is influenced heavily by the Assemblies of God denomination (and other Pentecostal denominations, as well as the WOF movement).
So far as I know, the AG denomination disliked Maranatha and shepherding/discipleship as well. The only shepherding/discipleship figure that has ever been respected by the WOF community and the AG denomination is Derek Prince, primarily because of his beliefs concerning Israel and spiritual warfare.
Even I like Derek Prince, and I've read some of his stuff. |
john_r_jones
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Username: john_r_jones
Post Number: 847
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 65.13.172.230
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:38 am: |
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Are Dutch Sheets made of wood?
Johnn-whattheheckareyoudoinhere-Jones |
bachman
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Username: bachman
Post Number: 24
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 216.254.106.157
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 9:35 am: |
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Well, THAT was an interesting serious of responses!
So no really seems strong "pro" or "con" and no one seems to have read his books? |
miltietoast
Intermediate Member
Username: miltietoast
Post Number: 269
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.159.19.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:50 am: |
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sorry bachman just a little skirmish from another thread |
miltietoast
Intermediate Member
Username: miltietoast
Post Number: 272
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.159.19.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Johnn-whattheheckareyoudoinhere-Jones shush be vewy vewy quiet I'm hunting clackerholes |
john_r_jones
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Username: john_r_jones
Post Number: 854
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 65.13.172.230
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:46 pm: |
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You'll bag a few here I'll bet. Just clean 'em 'fore you come in the house.
John |
miltietoast
Intermediate Member
Username: miltietoast
Post Number: 285
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.159.19.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:57 pm: |
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ok |
bear
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Username: bear
Post Number: 775
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 71.82.80.189
| | Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 7:56 pm: |
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This is an old thread, but I will post.
I heard Dutch teach while I was a student a CFNI.
I liked what I heard, but I feel that he, like several who are on his plane, do not have the ability to trancend.
By trancend I mean they do not have the ability to take what they teach, and make it applicable to everyday life.
That happens at times, and in my opinion, is a shame. When people get like this they tend to be very spiritual, but not any good on earth.
That is not meant as a slam on Dutch as a person, but a minor critique of his ministry. |
bachman
Intermediate Member
Username: bachman
Post Number: 139
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 162.83.155.107
| | Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 12:38 pm: |
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Thanks for the (late) input, Bear.
Over the months, I've some to the conclusion that I will go with my first "hunch" that there is error in both is spiritual ideas and the spiritual outcome.
Again, all I read was the one book but the majority of it is "experience based" and while I believe he is sincere, I also believe that much of what he does (spiritual warfare) is probably a waste of time -- which Satan loves, of course.
Keep us "praying and warring in the spirit" when in reality, it really isn't doing very much. |
bachman
Intermediate Member
Username: bachman
Post Number: 140
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 162.83.155.107
| | Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 12:48 pm: |
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Thanks for the (late) input, Bear.
Over the months, I've some to the conclusion that I will go with my first "hunch" that there is error in both is spiritual ideas and the spiritual outcome.
Again, all I read was the one book but the majority of it is "experience based" and while I believe he is sincere, I also believe that much of what he does (spiritual warfare) is probably a waste of time -- which Satan loves, of course.
Keep us "praying and warring in the spirit" when in reality, it really isn't doing very much. |
anony
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Username: anony
Post Number: 300
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 70.240.125.172
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:30 am: |
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If he is sincere he is sincerely wrong. Since when is our Christian experience based on private existential experiences. The Holy Spirit given to all true believers will attest to the same things in each.
Sounds to me like Chuck has entered the occult realm. Reading this thread for the first time just now I am admittedly shocked to see his emphasis on the number 23. 23 has special significance for those involved in some branches the occult.
I think there is a lot more to this man than we would want to know and be beguiled by. |
anony
Intermediate Member
Username: anony
Post Number: 301
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 70.240.125.172
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:32 am: |
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If he is sincere he is sincerely wrong. Since when is our Christian experience based on private existential experiences. The Holy Spirit given to all true believers will attest to the same things in each.
Sounds to me like Chuck has entered the occult realm. Reading this thread for the first time just now I am admittedly shocked to see his emphasis on the number 23. 23 has special significance for those involved in some branches the occult.
I think there is a lot more to this man than we would want to know and be beguiled by. |
dgate007
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Username: dgate007
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 24.254.214.25
| | Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 10:36 am: |
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I have read several of Dutch Sheets books and consider him a personal mentor when it comes to intercessory prayer.
I have met him in Kansas City at the Internation House of Prayer (Mike Bickle) and he was outstanding.
However.....Dutch travels and associates with others I am highly...did I mention "highly" suspect. One is Cindy Jacobs, also Chuck Pierce and Peter C. Wagner, the 3rd Wavers who claim they are the last of the restoration of the 5 fold ministry. The last being Apostles.
However, Dutch is a staple with Mike Bickle who is an outstanding teacher and Francis Frangepane, another man of God.
I am still unsettled with all his books and teachings on intercession for nations but his book called "Intercessory Prayer" is my manual, along with the Bible, to personal intercession. Dutch brings out powerful teachings that are Biblically sound. He has been a real assest to me.
David |
bachman
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Username: bachman
Post Number: 13
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 162.84.185.10
| | Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 11:09 am: |
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Hi David--
Thanks for your input. CHARISMA recently featured Dutch on the cover and he is deeper than ever into "experience" verses plain scripture---he likes to "move in the Spirit" via dreams (when he's asleep), visions (when awake or "in the Spirit") and continues to expound walking by his feelings and emotions--"I felt God tell me" "I sensed the Holy Spirit saying..."
So having read his book and this article, for me, that's 2 out of 3 strikes. So I'm going with my "gut" (Spirit man) and skipping any further input from the man.
Again, not that he's "100% off the wall" but I sense he is drifting a bit and there's a bit of pride that comes through ("God has called me to interceed and bring America back from the brink," et al.)
Like anyone else, take what bears witnesses and causes you to grow and set aside the rest! |
dgate007
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Username: dgate007
Post Number: 8
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 24.254.214.25
| | Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 11:39 am: |
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Hmmm? I am totally unfamiliar with any of these reports.
I hope Dutch is not getting flaky like some of his friends but it sounds that way.
Let me throw this in. The Book of Joel says in the end times "young men will have visions and old men dreams" or something along that line. This is the latter day rain concept that many believe is either starting to happen or will.
I am uncertain on this concept. I have no opinion to offer.
As far as Dutch is concerned I'll have to look into him a little further when I have time.
Thanks and enjoy the Holiday |
dgate007
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Username: dgate007
Post Number: 9
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 24.254.214.25
| | Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 11:44 am: |
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By the way....
I was in KC at a IHOP Convention and I met a fella in the lobby of the hotel who lived with Rick Joyner, a keynote speaker at the convention.
He told me a reporter from Charisma spent several days on the farm in N. Carolina with him and Rick for an upcoming article. The man took copious notes and left.
Several months later this guy in KC tells me the article came out and it was terrible with very little truth. Joyner was very upset and tracked the reporter down. The Charisma author admitted he lost his notes and went by memory. A complete ethical violation in journalism. |