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     mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.198.139 |
One of JZ Knight’s most damaging teaching was on the subject of death. Before a crowd of 1000 people, myself included, JZ insisted that “the light” that we see at the end of the tunnel when we die is a sort of burning hell to be avoided; it was where light beings stripped our souls of memory through an agonizing death process that reduces our souls to a vegetable state. We don’t remember our past lives because the knowledge of past lives is stripped and burned from us in “the light”, according to JZ Knight while she allegedly channeled Ramtha that night 15 years ago, December 1989. I sat cross-legged in the middle of the crowd, a wide-eyed nineteen year old listening with rapt attention to this powerful and charismatic speaker. The man behind me was so affected by “the light teaching” that he started shivering uncontrollably, as if he were having a fit. All of us embraced “the light teaching” whole heartedly. Naturally, my view on “the light” has changed since then. What my view is, is unimportant right now. Suffice it to say, I no longer believe “the light” is evil. How absurd! JZ talks as though there is “a light”, when there could be numerous types of lights and energies through which we pass as we journey through kamaloka. The 5,000 year old Tibetan Book of the Dead makes JZ’s ideas on death seem superficial and shallow in comparison. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 129 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Mathew, I was there for that teaching, also. Your words are truthful. That teaching scared the *ell out of thousands of people, because it was replayed for years to more students. By their fruits ye shall know them. I'm not a Bible thumper, but all anyone has to do is look at her actions, and hear her words, and see the bold contradictions. Unfortunately, it takes some of us longer than others, to accept facing the red flags that are waving all over the place. If I ever went through my notebooks of notes from all my years in the school, I could write a book filled with threats, contradictions, lies (changing the rules 180 degrees), etc. If some of the teachings are true; they can be found and substantiated elsewhere. Plenty of them are just misleading and inconsistent to say the least. Buyer beware. "Ramtha" has said (in the last few years) that "he" has a "grid" (personality pattern), which is a tape loop he still has, like the rest of us and he's going through his stuff, too. That is one example that is inconsistent with him supposedly having transcended all of that. He claimed to have made it past the light, because they knew he was coming and he ascended and blew right on by with full memory. Uh huh. That teaching claimed WE'D have no memory, etc. Well, why is it that excellent, genuine mediums who touch base with LOVED ONES on the other side, say that they don't harbor any bad feelings toward us over petty personality lifetime 'stuff', but they love us so much and they remember more about us than we do while we are incarnated. Hardly sounds to me like they have had anything stripped from them. IT'S A LIE. Add it to the list. Well, you know that now, anyway. Currently, in the teachings, that light teaching is rarely mentioned. Gee, I wonder why ? It's bad for business. I would not want to be Ms. Knight in her light review. | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
I was not in RSE when the light teaching came out but I had friends who were in RSE then and they told me about it and I thought it was the most ludricrous thing I ever heard except for one thing which I actually heard Ram say in 2005 - that in 1974 or sometime around then, there was a meeting of the Big Cosmic Honchos to decide the fate of planet Earth. All those in attendance voted thumbs down on humanity - wipe it clean and start over. Ramtha was the only one who wanted to save Earth and its inhabitants...and that's when he showed up to JZ...to save the planet. Even though at the time I was a current student, I thought this was the most outrageous, bombastic, arrogant posturing I had ever heard anyone utter. | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 92 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 12.178.99.119 |
in_the_zone, Yes… I remember that particular “Teaching”. “Ramtha” proclaimed he had saved humanity from extinction by casting the deciding vote to give humanity another chance.. Sound like “Ramtha” has been hanging out with some lowlife cosmic politicians.. dark chuckle.. David | ||
| mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.198.172 |
I strongly suspect that JZ Knight was not the sole originator of her “light teaching.” In my opinion she stole her “light teaching” material from William Bramley’s “The God’s of Eden,” a book that has become a cult classic since it was first published in 1989. Here is my evidence. Pages 475 through 477 begin with wildly entertaining speculations about “the light” people see at the end of the tunnel during near death experiences, and how this light might be similar to the light abductees see when they’re first captured by aliens. This light, he asserts, is a lie. It is an optical illusion created by alien technology designed to evoke artificial feelings of euphoria so that the disembodied soul will naturally gravitate toward the light, thinking it is an omnipotent source of power. The light, in other words, is not a Supreme Being but only appears to be through an act of thought transference. Once in the light, we are led to imagine that the horrible occurs. “Whatever the near-death ‘being of light’ might be (and I will not even try to guess), it is most assuredly not a Supreme Being. It may even be an object that contributes to post-death spiritual amnesia. People should not be counseled to ‘merge with’ or ‘go to’ the ‘being of light’ during meditation or at death. They should stay away from it if they can…” [pg 476, “The God’s of Eden,” Dahlin Family Press, 1st edition, 1989] It is more than possible that JZ read the book, and was so overwhelmed by its content that she claimed it as her own without giving credit to William Bramley. If so, this would be more evidence suggesting JZ does not receive her knowledge from an ascended master, but rather gets her information the same way her poor followers do: by clawing and scratching through a mountain of lies. | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 93 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 12.178.99.119 |
Excellent Thread and Post Mathew, I have no doubt that “Ramtha the Enlightened One” also memorized the Vera Stanley Alder books; Finding of the Third Eye: The Fifth Dimension and From the Mundane to the Magnificent …. David | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 130 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
I am reading From the Mundane to the Magnificent right now. The parallels between the RSE teachings and the content of this book are, in my opinion, FAR beyond coincidental. One only has to read the book, knowing the teachings at RSE, to see what I am talking about. It appears that the foundation of the RSE teachings are based upon this book (and then copywritten and trademarked, of course). The parallels are even to the point that the man that appears to the woman in the book, is named Raphael. He proceeds to tell her about wretched humanity, and how one day there will be a Golden Age (this book was written in the early 1900's). Then it speaks to levels of consciousness, the blue frequency, healing, being an atom of consciousness, etc. I look forward to reading the other titles by this author, as well. Curiously, I have never in all my tenure as a student in RSE, seen these books FOR SALE in the bookstore there. I wonder why? Yes, Mathew, very good post. Excellent summarization of what we end up with at the end of our RSE journey; "by clawing and scratching through a mountain of lies." Sad, but true. | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
You know, JZ has a photographic memory, perhaps in the beginning days, before she "CHANNELLED" she read a few books. I had heard from this women named Sophia, who was one of the Video Editors of the Hawaii Video, that she caught JZ Practicing the VOICE of RAMTHA... she left the organization and went to Mafu. Personally, after I left all of the groups ie. Ramtha and Mafu, I spent about 5 years jus going into deep meditiona... I had LIGHT Beings of Gold appear, during meditation, air planes, and while I was with clients... and then I had a BLUE Lavendenr DOT that appeared and then grew very big ... then a REAL Person who was dressed in Middel Easter Cloths with a Turbon appear, he would DOWNLOAD like a BOOK of information and the POOF he would dissappear.... it would take me weeks to write down the many thins that would simply BE in my consciousness. But who know, perhaps all of thoes things were just CRAZY Projections from my mind. I have always been intutive and could SEE auras since being a child, long before Ramtha or Mafu... I have truly enjoyed reading your views, and seeing the many aspects of thse channeling... Truly, there are creditability issues with all of them. I have not heard of ONE STUDENT... form the thousands over the years who have attended these group, who you can look to and say, they are EXTRODIANARY.... or have ATTENED some BEYOND the HUMAN ABIlITIES. The carrott in the beginning was, you would become the POwER of GOD... and actions of a lord, living on earth. Over the years, Mafu said, he would not demonstrate those powers, because it would create worship and followers... but, he craeted followers anywahy? Smile. So many people have lost everything to attended thse very expensive programs... or they became a SLAVE to the channel, so they could attend for free... there was always COMPETITION in these groups. Mafu told us in the late 80's, there was not enough time to sit at the feet of a GURU and illume in one life time, and if he eveer came as a guru, we would know he was not there.... then in the 90's his oracale became a Swami and now the groups sit at his feet like Sai Baba... there are EXPlANATIONS for everything. Blessings (Message edited by Hoola on July 15, 2006) | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 131 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Hoola, It is my own intuition that was the reason behind my vulnerability to the teachings of RSE. I have had mystical/intuitive experiences since I can remember at about 8 - 10 years old. My mother was aware of these things, because I spoke about them. It is still true today. Because I KNOW that there is far more to life than what we see with our physical eyes, I was cautiously optimistic that Ramtha was who he said he was. Since I traveled far distances to get to the teachings (and I did that often for many years), I was not as readily exposed to the gossip, rumors, and other communications that the locals experienced. I mention this, because in hearing so much of that, I am sure the red flags would have been raised for me earlier on. But, I attended events, did very little socializing, since that was not why I was there, focused and followed directions sincerely. It was not because I was an idiot, but because I was/am very open minded to "MORE". I have a dear friend here where I live who was into Scientology for a LONG time, having worked her way up to a high level auditor. I was never into that. My point in mentioning this parallels your point about Mafu saying that "nobody's home" if he starts turning into a guru. The founder of Scientology warned the people repeatedly, to be careful of what the GROUP WILL EVOLVE. Humanity has a history of succumbing to materialism in various forms. Give someone power over others, plus money .... well, the rest really IS history. I was a fool for being so trusting. I am "guilty" of knowing that there is an unseen side of life, because I have experienced it. Eventually, I figured it out. Whether these entities exist, ever did really channel, or not doesn't matter to me in terms of my attendance. What is wrong with the picture is clear, and if they exist, they are guilty because they ALLOW it, instead of exposing it. Thanks for posting. I really needed to hear what you said. This journey really is about going within. Everything we need can be accessed from that space, which is all space/time. | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Hello whatchamacallit, I am very similary, as I to had to travel a far distance to study in these groups, and I too, was not in the GOSSIP Loop... smiles. Also, my personality was very intraverted so it was not easy for me to speak up during these times. But, just like you, eventually, I figured it out. In spite of the lies and crazy stuff... I am stronger and better in spite of it all. Smiles... I traveled far distances to get to the teachings (and I did that often for many years), I was not as readily exposed to the gossip, rumors, and other communications that the locals experienced. | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 19 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
I can see how it is possible for JZ to put herself into a trance and "become" Ramtha. I can see how she could have read those Alder books and manufactured this being-ness which she called Ramtha. But here's something I don't understand...maybe one of the more experienced former RSE students could explain. Last year at Beginner's Follow-up, it was packed. Lots of "advanced" students were there...in fact, way, way more "advanced" students than beginners. Anyway, we had to create a design of the 8 planes of existence with a buddy...like an architectural rendering, or a 3 dimensional sculpture, and we spent hours on this project during the course of the event. Then toward the end of the event, everybody had to parade their project in a long line to the stage where Ram would studiously look at each project and comment. It took well over 2 hours for 500 projects to be reviewed by him. I saw something very interesting. Two Italian guys were buddies on a project. They had been in my beginner's event 6 months earlier and this one guy was a typical Italian ladies man stud type. I mean he was thickly in this stereotype and he dripped it all over any woman he was even remotely near. So when these 2 guys were in front of the Ram, he made a comment to them something along the lines of "it looks ok, but you didn't finish"...something like that. Well, this one guy starts arguing with Ram in Italian (he spoke no English)...and Ram spoke to him in what sounded like perfect Italian and put the guy in his place...like a reprimand or something like that. I seriously doubt JZ is fluent in Italian...she isn't even particularly fluent in English. Can anyone explain this? | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
I can attest to this, over the years, I gave spiritual classes... I did not channel, however,when you are in the flow, a lot of stuff that the human ego does not THiNK ABOUT, comes out AUTOMATICALLY.. People would tell me, if they thought of a question, in a few moments, I would automatically just address the issues. For me, I call that just being in the FLOW.... I was not CHANNELING someone, other than myself. Smiles. I can belive that she could speak words that she did not know, being in the FLOW, it just happens... Efforlessly. PLUS, JZ has a photographic memory, I did not... so it is possible that she could just be repeating books... There is a book called The Great Work: The Coming Masters V2 by R. Swinburne Clymer and The Gods by R. Swinburne Clymer Divine Law of Mastership These books were written around 1938 Smiles. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 135 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
I think I have this first book (The Great Work: The Coming Masters). I read it years ago! The message of God within is surely not new, as we know. It's the intergrity and delivery of the message that concerns me. RSE isn't my cup of tea, so to speak. Don't think I have the second book. I got it at a tiny bookstore when I was in the Yelm area. Some family had this tiny store in a building next to their home. It was a 20 - 30 minute drive from the ranch. Not that it matters...just a memory. I purchased a number of books there, and they weren't available at the ranch. | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
About the Light... Muuuum..... Light is a PROJECTION from Thought.. In the beginning is the VOID... actually, Mafu gave me this same teaching about the people in the light who CAUSE you.. to return and not go beyond. For me, since I have been able to attain a degree of mastery in meditation... I know how to go beyond into the void... guess what, when you are beyond all projections of the many hiracies, just you in infinite darkness... there is you.... AWARNESS... without any type of a container... and the realization of the projected thought that creates. It is there, that you truly realize all things as the dream within self. So, to keep it short, in some ways, I totally agree with Ramtha's teaching on Light and the requirement to go beyond it. Smiles. | ||
| mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.194.241 |
Some of you here are using what’s called “negative arguments” to prove your claim that JZ spoke Italian, even though she does not know Italian. For those who don't know, a negative argument is an approach toward proof. It assumes that something exists because you can't prove it doesn't, i.e. that JZ spoke Italian while channeling Ramtha, and that, since we can’t explain her sudden ability to speak Italian, than therefore Ramtha must have been speaking Italian through JZ. This may be true, or it may not be. But, if you're using a negative argument to substantiate this claim, you're basing your claim on faulty intuition: on what you feel happened as oppossed to what did happen. | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
No. not negative arguments... No not intuition... JUST LIFE EXPERIENCES... Self Point-of-View... what I have experienced. I do not need to HATE the past in order to see the wisdom of our choices and we do have the ability to see the wisdom of our actions... and make new choices. I have no need to defend anyone.... I do not personally know JZ and if I come to any conclusion about what channeling is, it is from my own personal experience. I can say, yes, I do see how money and games are part of these choices to participate, but after all, even in working in large corporations there are positives and negatives and no one walking the planet today is beyond the JOURNEY of our human choices and the ego. We make choices day by day based on where we are, and our perceived benefits or choices to avoid pain or loss. Some of our choies create things that create pain and self suffering and others joy and happiness.. but I can only speak about my own personal choices... and I still say, from my own point of view, I can undrestand how people can speak other languages. My ex -brother in-law now deceiced was a Baptist Minister, and many years before I was involved in any of these groups once told me about ministering over seas in foreign countries, and he told me the story of speaking in English, and many people told him later, that his voice came out in foreign languages that he did not know. He was shocked and amazed and simply said it was the spirit that was using him... so from my point of view, I have life expereinces that have allowed me a level open mindedness.. that can consider the possibility of speaking a language that you did not study. We do not need to curse or defend our past, for it was our life. I have always, been a ver happy person, regardless of what is going on in my personal world, so it is not my personality or nature to become mean spirited or curse my past choices. I have a great ability to move on and adjust and create something new for my self. At 50 I returned to college after already having an MBA... but I had a vision to open a nursing school... and I needed additional certifications in order to create that vision... and be legal by our state. Today, I have a very successful nursing school. I am stronger today than I was when I 30 or 40 and I have no fear to re-invent myself or mylife as I desire to contribute to the world. To date, I have scholorshipped and graduated over 60 people who were struggling single mom's and now they have a career vision. I do not need to curse my past. I walked it, and learned, grew, and became greater. What more can I say. I love what is new and exciting... I love the challenge of creating a new vision of self.... Smiles. (Message edited by Hoola on July 16, 2006) (Message edited by Hoola on July 16, 2006) | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 136 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Oh, darn. I wrote a long post and it got eaten in cyberspace. Suffice it to say my message was that it doesn't matter if JZ or Ramtha spoke in Italian. That doesn't mean they are fluent in the language. It also doesn't justify the way that school is run. Or the lies. ETc., etc. If the point of the comment was to try to figure out if Ramtha is real, then you can ask yourself, if he is real, do you want to be involved with a teacher who will lie to you, and who has recently said that JZ has paid her dues with him and can have and do anything she wants ?!? I heard this, myself, recently. Either he said it, or she said it as she faked being him. But, I heard it and so did others, who have since discussed it. Is that a mature being ? An EVOLVED being ? Gosh, I hope that isn't the tip of evolutionary behavior ! At another very recent event, "Ramtha" said he has caused a lot of trouble. He made the statement and then dropped it. Yup, he sure has. Glad he can see that. What's he going to DO about rectifying it ? Does he even care ? The fact that most people who ever enter that school, leave within 2 - 3 years, never to return, speaks volumes. The "regulars" are the huge minority. | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Yep... I agree, The fact that most people who ever enter that school, leave within 2 - 3 years, never to return, speaks volumes. The "regulars" are the huge minority. Both Mafu and Ramtha have spoken that in the end only about 20 people will actually get it. That is not saying much for their teaching abilities... ??? Smiles... and of course, it is not THEIR FAULT... That little thing called FREE WILL... the insurance policy that gets everyone OFF THE HOOK... of being RESPONSIBLE for anyone else other than self. Oh and, Mafu once told me this was my last life time.. and then years later when his ORACLE was mad with me, she told me I still had 2 life times to go... I wish they would agree, the ULTIMATE .... Right hand not KNOWING what the LEFT hand is doing. Smiles... | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Below is what is stated on the ABOUT US PAGE at Mafu's Web Site.... ------------------------------------------------- Mafu, an enlightened Master, has come to remind humanity of its Divine nature and awaken within us the realization that we are the source of love, of power and of peace. Weaving the mystical studies of the past into a way that can be embraced by seekers from the west, Mafu offers a unique and glorious pathway for all to know that they are loved by God and for seekers of the truth to walk into the light of their own awakening. Mafu is channeled by Swami Paramananda Saraswatti. Swami Paramananda Saraswatti (ammagi), Mafu’s Oracle, is an ordained Hindu monk in the lineage of the Siddha path. A master teacher, ammagi is the head of The Foundation for Meditative Studies as well as the creator and director of the Oregon Tiger Sanctuary. Extremely gifted, ammagi works tirelessly on behalf of Mafu to help awaken spiritual seekers around the globe. In addition to teaching and pursuing her own studies, ammagi has appeared on numerous national and international television talk shows, and in magazines and newspapers http://www.foundationformeditativestudies.org ---------------------------------------------- Mafu, an enlightened Master... The word GOD has been removed. I find the statement AMAZING... to AWAKEN within US, that we are the SOURSE Love, Power and Peace... the organization it self is very lacking in Peace or Love... the Oracle has a very FOUL Mouth... is hardly a SAINT.. that is unless the SAINTS TODAY have been redefined...and walk around CURSING the STUDENTS with Name Calling... with a twist of slavery... and they say, that is what their soul needed? Smile. Ok, perhaps we are rewriting the WORD GAMES... and agreeded word meanings. Smiles. They call it SELF-MASTERY... but in fact, SLAVERY exist there... they use students as POOR WILLING SLAVES.. There are the ones who run away from family obiligation in the name of GOD...to do the work of the LORD.... Penny that is, at the Oregon Tiger Sancuary, that is if you do not have MONEY to pay for your life.. They are SOOOOO special. LOL. Plus, they get Federal GRANT Money to support their Tiger Sancuary. What a deal. The US Govt is on their side. It is very FUNNY when you really look at it all from a distance... and if you do not have any money, and you are a WILLING SLAVE for the ORACLE, how can there be SELF-MASTERY? DUALITY They seem to TALK a lot of words, but the same words do not apply to THEM. I noticed that these groups can JUSTIFY any behavior in the NAME of "That is what their SOUL Need to for elvolution" so again, just like FREE WILL, it is hard to debate, because the human SOUL NEEDS are simply unproven and unknown. Smiles. (Message edited by Hoola on July 16, 2006) | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 137 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
>>>>I noticed that these groups can JUSTIFY any behavior in the NAME of "That is what their SOUL Need to for elvolution" so again, just like FREE WILL, it is hard to debate, because the human SOUL NEEDS are simply unproven and unknown. <<< exactly. in my opinion, too many people are not willing to hold the teacher (whomever that may genuinely be), ACCOUNTABLE for pathetic behavior. in order for the student to stay a student, they are forced to survive by kicking in their defense mechanisms. they will project onto others, blame the victim, justify bad behavior, rationalize a LOT, and then, sit semi-comfortably back in their seats, until the next go 'round. it's no different than holding jesus above oneself as savior. these folks, whether they will admit it or not, are holding ramtha or mafu as their savior . they have given their power away to an outside source, and not THEIR INSIDE SOURCE. what's ironic is that it's a basic tenet of the teachings.......god is within you. caveat: but you need me to find it. hahahahahaha... as david says... CHUCKLE..... you laugh or you cry. i've done both! | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
whatchamacallit... I so totally agree. It is AMAZING that we DO HAVE THE EYES to SEE CLEARLY... But, when you are there, they are ALWAYS, re-inforcing you with the possibiity of failure... the FEAR of FAILURE, is a GREAT MOTIVATING Factor in these group.... REMOVAL from the TEACHER... they think so little of their own self, that they will control them for years to come. Many people there SECRETLY and COVERTLY DESPISE the human Oracle (Penny).. but will put up with the BULL Sxxx because of the MASTER TEACHER... Yet, they will tell you, no one can SAVE you... the Behavior... the SAVIOR... Winks. VERY Few people have ever talked openly about the MAFU group.. you will not find the many many web post out there... the students have a level of protection that is FEAR based. No true honesty with self. It is all FEAR. Where is the SELF in all of this... hidden away back in some dark corner. I could write a book about this group.... and the dynamics of these things. Smiles.  If this were TRUE... there would not be WILLING SLAVES at the Ashram, it is not TRUE at the ORGAZIONATION LEVEL of this Group.. "A master who seeks enlightenment is a master who has no prerequisite on the soul to experience anything other than the highest form of life. A master who seeks enlightenment is a master who gives full out affirmation, permission, to exist within any moment, at any duality, within any excursion of god, without requiring itself to explain itself for the journey. And during the journey a master never requires exploration of the journey but to be in it. A master who is a christ is a master who cannot pontificate; who cannot express to you in his light what it is he is, for you to understand. " -Mafu (Message edited by Hoola on July 16, 2006) (Message edited by Hoola on July 16, 2006) | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 139 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
I have heard Ramtha talk say that there are students in the school who despise JZ, also. What do people expect ? When one treats another human being with condescension, disrespect, lack of love (these are not loving acts), threats, money grabbing (not refunding monies even for long term students who had a valid excuse for missing an event that they prepaid for), admitted lying (for your own good, of course), etc (I've made my point).... then how would any person not develop resentment, or despise, the person that they believe is doling that out to them ? i agree that if these people are lacking self respect, and/or self worth. been there, and wasn't willing to do that. i found the courage, and had to exhibit my self worth/love/esteem, by leaving the school. no matter if it was a genuine ramtha or a fraudulent jz, or a combination of both...to me...i simply believe that there is a much more loving, positive way for me to evolve, without that drama. after all, i can have anything i want ! i want to go within for my own spiritual guidance, and as the icing on the cake, and without giving my power away, also enjoy the wisdom of a respectful, loving "teacher" from a cosmic proportion. i am willing to give it all up (rse) to get it all back - on MY terms, in that positive way, how the universe will show that to me. hoola...perhaps you SHOULD write a book ! | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 95 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 12.178.99.119 |
Yes Hoola..Write a book.. and get it out of your system, Here is a title for you.. "The Dark Side of Enlightenment" Chuckle.. David. | ||
| voidgate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 99 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.187 |
It would appear that there are a lot of similarities between RSE and the Mafu organisation. I heard Mafu a long time ago and the way he spoke was somewhat similar to Ramtha. I conclude that the people who pay to hear Mafu are also similarly "assimilated". Incredible that in a country like the USA where people have a constitution formulated to protect their rights that the people in these organisations actually will not stand up for their rights....and are just subservient to the channel/"master". The idea of non judgement and "allowing" others has become an excuse to support unlawful behaviour, fraud and theft. (Message edited by voidgate on July 17, 2006) | ||
| hoola Junior Member Username: hoola Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Yes David, I might just do that, the TITLE is a GREAT working one. Smiles. Smiles. ************************************************* Yes Hoola..Write a book.. and get it out of your system, Here is a title for you.. "The Dark Side of Enlightenment" Chuckle.. | ||
| journeythroughramthaland New member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 67.185.144.178 |
Hi all, very interesting and informative thread. I agree with Mathew on the negative argument front. A negative argument does not imply that those who put it forward are negative in any way, only in the form they place their reasoning. I also disagree that it is unimportant if jz/ramtha is actually speaking Italian. I think that is quite the crux of the issue. Without challenging that assumption, one easily could let so many other behaviors and actions slide also. That is the slippery slope JZ wants all to be on. I would remind you all that speaking a few words in Italian does not mean that the "being" uttering the phrases has any sort of fluency. Sometimes, a more simplistic take can be considered and is more plausable. I feel that JZ has nothing more then a bunch of parlor tricks used by most "mediums" and "channelers". Take note of some facts: She would be well aware of who the Italians were and if they spoke any english or not. She could have known in advance exactly what she would say to them and the type of response it might provoke.(especially since she was the one initiating the conversation) She might have even had several answers prepared and well rehearsed prior to the event. (she is a show woman after all) She would know that her speaking Italian would cause a stir and lead a lot of people to believe that in no way could this be her and so further the belief in Ramtha. Not to mention that the Italian who did not speak any english would not be easily understood by the majority of the students if he thought that her knowledge of Italian was bogus. That is what I believe her real agenda to be. One in which brings her more power, control, and $$$$$'S It is a show, she acts like a showman, magician using distraction, deception, control of the environment, and slight of hand and mind all for her own benefit. |
