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     mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.194.20 |
I realize that people here want to be objective in their approach toward RSE and JZ Knight, and therefore irreverant humor is out of bounds. I can respect that. That is why I didn't post the following article within this forum, but rather posted the article on my own blog. The link is below. http://kcpost.net/MM_RamthaParody.htm | ||
| voidgate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.210 |
SCAMTHA Mathew, Have you seen this website? I and others have found it very amusing. http://home.comcast.net/~roadfrisbee/scamtha.htm} | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 127 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Mathew, I find your post extremely offensive (restraining laughter) ! Welllll, the raw spot inside didn't like the reference to being an idiot. Just sincerely searching, and too darn trusting that the proof would be in the pudding. It was. Invalid. I backed up your link and quickly scrolled down (when do you sleep?), noticing your comments about folks who will give it all up, in their search for self actualization. I believe that at least in the beginning, many if not most students in RSE are on such a path. Since most students who have ever entered the doors of that "school" no longer are there, what they Actualize, isn't quite what Maslow had in mind. Live and learn. Many moons and many $$$$ later.... | ||
| mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.201.98 |
Learning to be honest with yourself is the first step to recuperation. Go ahead, admit it. We were idiots. We're not just spiritual seekers, we were tottally and utterly duped by a charlatan who looks like Zsa Zsa Gabor. Now we can laugh at ourselves. Spiritual seeking isn't all about bolstering your ego and feeling good about yourself. It's about being honest: admitting when you made a mistake. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 128 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Facing the shock upon realizing (more than suspecting), that I was duped/lied to/used/abused/manipulated/conned/defrauded, for ME, was the worst part of the Journey Beyond Ramtha. Then, the long journey of recovery begins. I have admitted I "made a mistake" throughout my many posts on here. I have the humility and the courage to do that - especially if it can help someone else, too. Otherwise, I could just keep my trauma to myself, in shame and fear. Not my style. I can laugh at it now. But, I can't forget it. I also can't forget that there are still people current in that school, who are being duped, either. I didn't heed the warnings from those who cared about me, while I was still current. At least they spoke up and tried to get me to listen. All things in their own time. Perhaps Ms. Knight...who I understand has taken on a new identity as JZ Rose (don't ask...it's MARKETING related)...will have an epiphany on The Meaning of Telling The Truth. Or not. Mathew, do you still have family and/or friends current in the school ? | ||
| elsiet New member Username: elsiet Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 202.180.83.13 |
Just like to say how grateful i feel to have you guy's "out there"- articulate intellegent with an understanding of rse for what it really is. My sincere hope is the end to this insane cult sooner than later . I too own up being duped !! Its great to smile again Cheers Else | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
You know, the first time I watched the Hawaii Movie, and did the alignment to the Lord God of my Being, I was in LOVE with the RAM... I can say, that the journey for me, did awaken myself, prior to it, I was a bit weak, I learned to speak up for myself and love myself... in some twisted crazy way, in spite of all the money, lies and confusion, I am a better person today, with about 100,000.00 less money... but, it did change my life. In the end, it sent me back to MYSELF.... in meditaion..so, although it is a way, perhaps THAT is the REAL Teaching... not what we see and hear with our own eyes. I had a great business before it... at one point, I divorced, and later lost everything.. and yet... I came back with a new business and making more money again... I have lived 20 life times as I went through this MAZE of crazy stuff... and in spite of people getting wealthy off of my money and others, I think I would do it all again. Why, It was fun... and I did get to find out WHO I AM , in the process of it all. There is a natural tendancy to want to PROTECT others... but hey,, who are we to say, or protect. Perhaps in the end.. it was EXACTLY what I needed. I am not DEFENDING these types of groups, but I do personally REALIZE there was a VALUE for me personally. Smiles. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 132 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
I understand what you are saying, I think. Because you have personally grown while you had these experiences, even though you acknowledge that the school is not what it’s presented to be, for you, it was worth it because you learned more about who you are and was strengthened, though disappointed with the school. I respect your viewpoint, though I see it somewhat differently. By the way, I am very happy with my life. The few things I’m not thrilled with, are also things I am working on. Despite the school, my family is intact, my finances are not ruined, and we are basically healthy. That doesn’t mean, however, that I don’t have compassion for those people who have lost those things; and even their lives, waiting for their manifestations to occur as they were told they would. (You found your card on the fence? That means you already created it. Now, it just has to pop into your reality at any moment. That’s what we were told. That teaching has since been altered, by the way.) It sounds as if, and I think I understand this correctly, you’re saying it was because of these experiences at RSE, that you grew. I would suggest to you that you do not have to taste something sour like a dill pickle, in order to know that something else, like ice cream, is sweet. In other words, perhaps it was part of your growth, age, wisdom and maturity that you would have reached where you are now, without RSE. If it was in your energy field that you needed certain lessons, you could have also received them in more loving ways. I believe we were at a crossroads as we are many times in life, and we took the past of Most Resistance when we got involved in RSE. Finding the best of a bad experience, I think, helps to heal it. But the best that we find, was always in us anyway. In my mind, it in no way supports the concept of letting people learn about the “down side” of RSE on their own, without wanting to protect them on some level. I had people try to protect me. They warned me. They pointed out many red flags. I was not able or willing to hear or see it until I was ready. But the gift they gave me, was that they cared enough about me to plant the seeds. For that, I am very grateful. They did so while having their own concerns about shutting me out if I reacted negatively toward them. I call that love. I do not call the abuse that has occurred from various aspects of my RSE experience, in the name of love. I call it was it was; abuse. Did I have times where RSE was “fun” ? Yes. The food was good at times, too. But if I had it to do over again, I wish I had been more conscious of my choices, and I would have chosen a more loving, gentle way to grow and evolve. NOW, I am in the space. I would not do it over again, nor would I recommend that anyone else take that path. There are just too many other, more positive ways to grow. I do totally agree that the real teaching is to go within, learn to love life itself, for its own sake, and then one will raise their own frequency. In small or large increments; it doesn’t matter. Growth matters. | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
It sounds as if, and I think I understand this correctly, you’re saying it was because of these experiences at RSE, that you grew. Well, when I was with Ramtha, there was NOT a school... so that was not the issue for me.. But, I also studied with Mafu for about 10 years... and through that experience I did look more deeply within myself... the good, the bad and ugly... and became at peace with me. Yes, you are correct about the need for uncomfortable learning.. but, I did enjoy the travel and the journey in spite of the crazy stuff. Smiles... thanks for your post.. I enjoyed them. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 134 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
It is my opinion that Mafu is a fraud. Did you come to that conclusion? Or, do you believe Mafu is a genuine channel, or was, through Penny? I don't mean to get off subject here (it is an RSE folder), but please (readers) kindly allow me to ask this one question since it is the only venue in which I can ask this of hoola. I am currently listening to Bashar tapes. I am cautiously optimistic. I won't make any major life decisions (like moving across the country or leaving my family and giving up all of my money), because of anything Bashar says, etc., etc. So far, the message is highly empowering of each person, and not one iota have I heard, that would remove any power from ME and my soul/spirit. He claims to be 500 years in our future, and is a hybrid adult of a human/alien interbreeding. I'll listen to the message. No harm, no foul. Genuinely curious about my Mafu question... | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
You know, what I believe is this, I think the channelled information comes from the GROUPS that gather.... In the beginning days of MAFU, when I would go to San Fransisco, we had a Mastry Program just before the FIRST Ashram at Eagle Point was created. When I would go for the week event, the thoughts and ideas that I had just had a few weeks before was what he was talking about, Truly,I believe that when a group of any kind gathers, the person in center stage, someway picks up on the collective group consciousness. I will never know if Ramtha or Mafu was real or just a part of the channel or a collective thought of the group. Your guess is as good as mine. But with the Mafu group, it seems the first few years after the Ashram at Egale Point... the energy shifted... then when the 2nd Ashram at ParamantDharma outside of Ashland Or was purchased, New Faces Came... it was at that point where it seemed that the MONEY MONEY MONEY was all it was about... that is when I stopped. I only occassionally went every few years after that... I was beginning to SEE CLEARER myself so the NEED for it all was falling away. I personally did not have any respect for Penny because of all the Sexual stuff that was going on... as a women, I have no desire to be AC/DC if you know what I mean...it seems more and more Lesbians were joining the group... you know NARVARN via SEX. Lots of Sex orgies and things I simply did not chose to be a part of. Smiles. Plus, I noticed that I was living less and less a sexual life during that time... so my focus was simply not there. I can say, I have always been a creator... before it all.. and now after it all.. They should add a link for MAFU.... there has been a lot of VIOLENCE associated with her in later years.... I have heard about slaverly of the followers who work for here... and the big news article of the Gun Shots from one of the long time devotees.... but, I know for a FACT, Penny could have provoked it.. it does take two to create these types of violent events. I do not know anything about Bashar.... if you feel elevated and you expand, just do it, don't get CAUGHT in the human web with it.... realize that all people have their own facet of wisdom and are still very much human. Be Clear and Elevate with it,and march on when you are done... Smiles. (Message edited by Hoola on July 15, 2006) |
