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     mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.195.156 |
I can’t help but think that the local media isn’t, at least, partially responsible for JZ Knight’s success in the last ten years. When I attended the school, in the early nineties, the Olympian and the Tacoma News Tribune were distinctly hostile toward the Ramtha movement, and regularly published articles detailing the scandals surrounding RSE. These articles helped inform the public about the dysfunctional nature of JZ Knight, and approached JZ’s teaching from a rational, detached vantage point of an outsider. Consequently the public understood what JZ said about the catastrophic earth changes, that her followers were told to build underground shelters, and that, in general, this was not a main stream New Age movement; but rather a radical environmental dooms day cult. Now these same papers run articles praising JZ Knight, her movie, her philanthropy, while omitting the dooms day prophesies and the quasi mystical practices that include the use of subliminal programming. These articles are outright propaganda that helps promote a mainstream vision of the school that is totally false. It seems as if the Olympian refuses to do a serious investigate report on RSE---or it is afraid. My question is, whose palms did JZ grease to deserve this kind of treatment from the Olympian and the Tacoma New Tribune? | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 116 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Mathew, You raise some excellent points. Perhaps you ought to write a Letter to the Editor and ask these questions. I would like to read the article myself, but I heard that with regard to the recent Assay event, Ms. Knight invited the local government officials, and they all declined. In the article, they accused her of wanting to influence government officials. I would not call that complimentary news for her cause. However, I also do understand where you are coming from. Just wanted to share. I tried searching the newspapers online to find a copy of the article - to no avail. I don't know what day it was published. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 117 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
This is one of the most recent articles "out there" in the media (no, it's not local). It's also not complimentary. 2-1630-1649_1951285%2C00.html,http://www.news24.com/News24/Columnists/Chris_Roper/0,,2-1630-1649_1951285,00.html | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 85 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
RSE insiders have always been too afraid speak to the press, for years we were taught not to trust them nor the goverment."Trust No One" is an RSE mantra..Not even your family... The gag order will help JZ Knight silence her victims, We will hear less and less about what is going on within RSE until a major meltdown.. I cringe at the thought of even stepping foot in her compound, but people I care about are still getting hurt.. David | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
JZ caused a sleepy little burg to boom in real estate value which spilled over into Olympia and brought an influx of people moving in, businesses have thrived, property taxes have probably increased. I heard a wise man once say if you want to know the real estory behind an enigma, follow the money. Maybe the media is mum because JZ singlehandedly brought a level of prosperity to that area that might have never happened because after all, Yelm is not a particularly attractive area with all the clear cutting and junk lying around and all those dillapidated dwellings....because a rising tide lifts all boats. | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 86 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
JZ single-handedly brought a level of prosperity to this area?????????????? This is just more Ramtha wind… Where do you see this prosperity? Perhaps in the mansion and lifestyle of JZ Knight. Just look in and around Yelm and tell me what you see. Every week there are lines of people collecting food handouts From the local UCBO, JZ Knight has always claimed she created thriving business commerce in Yelm. She is very skilled at wrapping a pinch of truth around a mountain of deception. Olympia and Lacey have been growing just as fast as Yelm. And … real estate values have been rocketing everywhere, A rising tide may lift all boats but JZ would have people abandon their boats and climb aboard the SS Ramtha, David | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
You're a little high-strung on this, David. You misunderstood me. I am saying that when it comes to cash in the till, businesspeople and the media in the area may just clam up on what goes on at RSE because why bite the hand that feeds you? Chill-out, man. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 123 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
1) The media isn't totally mum about RSE. They have been quieter than in years gone by. But, that could also be attributed a number of things. One is, RSE is old news. 2) There is a person who wrote an article that was mostly complimentary to the "school". As it turned out, the journalist had written a previous article, of an uncomplimentary nature. My understanding is that Ms. Knight challenged him, and another article was written, that was overseen (EDITED) by an RSE staff person. The journalist did state at the end of the article that he remained unconvinced of the reality of what Ms. Knight purported to be true (channeling Ramtha). I have wondered if that journalist was threatened, and by the tone of the article, it is my opinion, that it's a fair possibility. 3) As David mentioned, the fear factor (right or wrong) is genuine among people who were students there, still are, or never were but have experienced second hand what goes on that is kept quiet. Is it possible that the media knows it's simply a boat not worth rocking ? 4) Does the upswing in the local economy in Yelm justify the ruined lives of many people who have willingly given, in all good faith and sincerity, much if not all of their material possessions $$$$$$, selling off all they ever owned, draining bank accounts, to pay their admission fee to the "school", especially to a person who is clearly thick into Materialism ? The teachings preach that not being willing or able to give up your materialism means you're addicted to it. Who is addicted???? 5) Students were told it's a 7 year school, so they found ways to attend for 7 years. After that time, the rules changed. The students just didn't "get it", and so the school had to continue on so the slow students would have a chance to "get it" and evolve. They were also told that the day was coming when they would attend events for FREE. Hahahaahahaaha. 6) Yes, the tide may be rising the boat. But the only one who can afford the boat to a new destination, is Ms. Knight, and a rare few others who may happen to be wealthy in their own right. The rest will drown in the rising tide. 7) Would Ms. Knight have the dedication that some students have had (many), who have attended events with their last dollar and not even had enough money to feed themselves during the event? I know of a number of people who have endured such financial strain (not myself, thankfully). Prosperity? For whom ? | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 124 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
1) The media isn't totally mum about RSE. They have been quieter than in years gone by. But, that could also be attributed a number of things. One is, RSE is old news. 2) There is a person who wrote an article that was mostly complimentary to the "school". As it turned out, the journalist had written a previous article, of an uncomplimentary nature. My understanding is that Ms. Knight challenged him, and another article was written, that was overseen (EDITED) by an RSE staff person. The journalist did state at the end of the article that he remained unconvinced of the reality of what Ms. Knight purported to be true (channeling Ramtha). I have wondered if that journalist was threatened, and by the tone of the article, it is my opinion, that it's a fair possibility. 3) As David mentioned, the fear factor (right or wrong) is genuine among people who were students there, still are, or never were but have experienced second hand what goes on that is kept quiet. Is it possible that the media knows it's simply a boat not worth rocking ? 4) Does the upswing in the local economy in Yelm justify the ruined lives of many people who have willingly given, in all good faith and sincerity, much if not all of their material possessions $$$$$$, selling off all they ever owned, draining bank accounts, to pay their admission fee to the "school", especially to a person who is clearly thick into Materialism ? The teachings preach that not being willing or able to give up your materialism means you're addicted to it. Who is addicted???? 5) Students were told it's a 7 year school, so they found ways to attend for 7 years. After that time, the rules changed. The students just didn't "get it", and so the school had to continue on so the slow students would have a chance to "get it" and evolve. They were also told that the day was coming when they would attend events for FREE. Hahahaahahaaha. 6) Yes, the tide may be rising the boat. But the only one who can afford the boat to a new destination, is Ms. Knight, and a rare few others who may happen to be wealthy in their own right. The rest will drown in the rising tide. 7) Would Ms. Knight have the dedication that some students have had (many), who have attended events with their last dollar and not even had enough money to feed themselves during the event? I know of a number of people who have endured such financial strain (not myself, thankfully). Prosperity? For whom ? | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 87 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
"You're a little high-strung on this, David." Opps there goes another string... chuckle.. David. | ||
| mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.194.66 |
Here is a link to a distinctly pro-Ramtha, pro-RSE, article. It shouldn’t be a surprise that it’s published by the Tacoma News Tribune. Have a look. http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/5065555p-4616762c.html I’ve yet to see an in-depth investigative report on RSE by any local paper from Yelm to Seattle. If there has been, they certainly haven’t posted it on the Web. This is very suspicious. I’ve contact both the Olympian and the Tacoma News Tribune, and the responses I received from both papers were rather pathetic. Neither were interested in devoting space to RSE, but said I could email them information if I felt it was necessary. I wanted to tell them that I’m not a journalist or a news reporter, only a concerned citizen. Instead I said nothing, and have channeled my energy into posting essays on the Web. Investigative journalism might be dead in the major news media, but there’s an army of bloggers on the World Wide Web willing to pick up the slack that the Media continues to unravel in their decline. A true investigative report should contain the following information: ** show how “What the Bleep” might be a propaganda film to attract more followers. ** list all JZ’s false environmental dooms day predictions. ** demonstrate that innumerable families and marriages that have been shattered by this movement; and the lost childhoods of boys and girls. ** show evidence of underground bunkers and how RSE students were told to stock UGs with a two year supply of food, water and ammunition. ** show how J.Z. Knight is famous for her disastrous financial advice that she gives her followers, leaving many of them penniless and destitute. That would be a start. | ||
| voidgate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 91 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.218 |
Mathew, This magazine did an article on RSE in August, 2000. It was about 8 pages. It is the best article I have seen but it is necessary to order a back issue to get it. http://www.thespectrumnews.com/html/papers-index.html | ||
| voidgate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 92 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.218 |
Mathew, Here is the link for the front page news of the recent Nisqually Valley newspaper article mentioned by Whatchamacallit. Unfortunately the whole article is not there.....one has to purchase the paper. http://yelmonline.com/ | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 88 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
The Williamette Week Online Portland. Issue #31.07 | COVER STORY | 12/22/2004 http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5860 | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 125 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
David, When I saw this article, (the one with your picture) after I had been reading this website for many months, I finally contacted you. I told my hubby, "I recognize him!" Don't think we've ever been partners, but I absolutely remember you. You would probably recognize me, too. Will read what Mathew and Voidgate posted, later on. Have to scoot. | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 90 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
I remember you.. You were the one who walked through the walls and bilocated to Jennies bar and grill… And I was the one struggling to open a can of tuna… David | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 126 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Hahahahaahahaha !!! Yeah, I sure did those things...in my DREAMS! Oh, wait. I can't talk about dreams. Can't talk about we believe that The Teacher communicated via a dream state. Or, can I? Dreams were mentioned in the Gag Order students were coerced into signing earlier this year, at events. *See earlier posts under the heading of Five Parts Gag Order. (In my opinion, no advanced notice when you've flown from all over the world, is coercion) Good thing I didn't sign it.... Dearest David: When I bilocate, I head for the chocolate. Forget Jennie's ! I have to hone my skills, however. Last time, instead of ending up in Hershey, Pennsylvania, the home of chocolate, I only made it to the grocery store. I guess I need to attend and pay for another near-20 years of events before I get it right, eh ? Thanks for the chuckle. I hope you'll share your can opener for the tuna. | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
Sure..I will even share my Tuna.. Remember the sign in the arena… No one fails RSE, You can only quit. It reminds me of another sign.. "Work Will Set You Free" on the gates of a Nazi death camp. ... I remember sitting in my van totally exhausted after 10 hours on the field, My hands were so frozen I could not grip the can opener……….. You can do it.. You can do it.. I was mumbling to myself.. I did it alright…. I quit RSE. David (Message edited by David McCarthy on July 13, 2006) | ||
| hoola New member Username: hoola Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
What every happened to the girl who published the origional 'WIND WORDS".. you know I can't remember her name, but she did stay at one of my condo's for an additional week when she was in Florida after an event in Tampa. I think here first name was Beverly... ??? This was around 1987 or 88 ????????? | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 133 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
OH, gosh. I would have to drag out my old Windwords to find her name. I know who you mean, and I can't recall her name, either. I'm in the process of relocating, and most of my belongings are in boxes. When I unpack, down the road, and I find it I will post it for you. Hopefully someone else will recall prior to that! | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 94 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 12.178.99.119 |
Yes... I think her name was Beverly, I remember she ran a successful bookstore and a monthly newspaper called WindWords in the township of Rainier, That was until JZ Knight got “wind” that she could turn an extra profit if she opened her own bookstore. So she forbid Beverly to print any 'Ramtha" material...This affectively shut down her Windwords newspaper. Soon after Beverly, disheartened and disillusioned closed her bookstore and moved away.. This was around 1989-90. The RSE bookstore was birthed on the ashes of Beverly’s hard work and dream…. Way to go JZ.. David | ||
| voidgate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 95 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.78 |
Beverly Diettrich | ||
| voidgate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 96 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.149 |
Here is a recent article in the Olympian....the newspaper was invited to attend the Fabulous Wealth retreat and took up the offer. What disgusting slanted journalism. http://theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060716/NEWS/607160343%20 | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 138 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Voidgate, This link doesn't appear to work properly. | ||
| voidgate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 97 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.44 |
http://theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage Try this link. | ||
| mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 12 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.196.129 |
Here's more pro-Ramtha propaganda from our friends at the Olympian. Disgusting! http://159.54.227.3/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060716/LIVING/607160306/1004 | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 142 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Hmmm...what happened to Kenny, Master of the Cards ? Has he been demoted such as Audrey and Dr. Joe have been ? Or just wasn't mentioned. Wondering. Wow ! About 1,300 people went to the event ? Where in the world did they all sit, since the arena holds 999 people ? It's amazing not what is said, but what goes unsaid. So much for good journalism. | ||
| voidgate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 98 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.187 |
Does anyone know anything about JZ's investment in the software company Primus as stated in the article? | ||
| hoola Junior Member Username: hoola Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.125.85.168 |
Well in the late 80's she charged $2500.00 to attend week end seminar... I attended many were there were well over 1000 people. She did make a few buck back then. Looks like her price has fallen in recent years. Smiles. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 144 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
JZ told us that her son's friend started up Primus, and she backed him. That's the bottom line. When it hit the stock market, the stock soared at a time, and she got rich from it - millions of dollars. She said the amount and I don't recall how much. That's the best that I recall the story she told us in audience, and I believe it to be accurate as I heard it. So, of course, students were then told to also do the same thing as her and focus MANY time per day, day in, day out, to bring their focus on wealth. She said she focused on that stock going up against odds, numerous times per day, for some length of time. So students were told to have such focus. My opinion is that students had focus on THEIR dreams, some for many years...so they didn't focus enough, I guess ! | ||
| voidgate Intermediate Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 103 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.137 |
Here is a letter I received form the lady who wrote the article on the Ramtha school for the Olympian. I sent her a substantial amount of information on heavy drinking, the abusive truth teachings, overfill of the arena etc. This is her response. Thanks for the information. As you know, it was difficult to find/interview former students. I found a couple, and they refused to interview and provide their names. This is my insert: I know that one other person also contacted this lady with regards to the published articles and was willing to be named. I wonder if the editor would actually publish anything. I would certainly encourage you to submit a letter to the editor, to let folks know of the experiences that you witnessed. In the story, we tried to make it clear that JZ Knight’s school is indeed a private corporation. Anyway, I’ll tuck your name and contact information away for future reference, and I have passed your comments along to our top editors, as well. Thanks! Lisa Pemberton The Olympian (Message edited by voidgate on July 18, 2006) | ||
| mathew_morrell New member Username: mathew_morrell Post Number: 14 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 12.73.201.176 |
Lisa Pemberton's reply is non-sense. There is plenty of information about RSE to write a balanced and objective news story. There are also plenty of people, like David MacCarthy, willing to be interviewed and to provide counterpoint arguments. Instead of writing an in-depth story of RSE, Ms Pemberton makes it our responsibility to inform the public about RSE. She tells us to submit letters to the editor when it she herself with the journalism degree, not us. Moreover, everyone knows that the "letters to the editor" section is the least read portion of the newspaper. Why doesn't Pemberton fess up and tell us the real reason why the Olympian refuses to publish intelligent, insightful, meaningful articles about RSE? They refuse to call it what it is: an environmental dooms day cult. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 151 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Mathew, So what do you suggest that those who are willing, do with regard to Lisa's patronizing, politically acceptable (to some) non-answer ? Cutting/pasting what you just wrote and sending it to her for a response AND to her editor, might be a start, I'd think. | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 98 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 12.178.99.119 |
Lisa… RSE teaches its “customers” to abandon critical thinking and I am wondering if you attended a beginner’s event? If you had dug deeper behind the facade of RSE you would have discovered a corpse.. It was called truth… Your article is an example of how corporations feed and control the media. I hope you will undo the damage somehow… David. |
