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     in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
in 2005, I came into RSE as a beginner and participated/created in 4 events...Beginner, Assay 6, Beginner Follow-Up & Future Now and then I graduated myself. So, even though I'm not a long-term, hard-core RSE student, I invested enough time & energy into being at these events that my perspective is laced with enough hands-on experience at RSE to have value at least to me. One thing I noticed at RSE almost immediately, is the lack of warmth emanating from the top down, especially at Assay 6 - the staff, the teachers, even many of the "advanced" students. Beginner's retreat was warm but then these were all new people, no seasoned students were there, save the few stray ones who had to repeat Beginner's to get current again. I also notice many students who were, in my impression, unhappy, desperate, dressed in rags, self-obsorbed, even self-obsessed, politically correct with all the right RSE words, attired in all the right RSE T-shirts, caps, capes and I felt that there were a number of people who aren't playing with a full deck, maybe even whacky is a better word. Now maybe all of this was just what was going on in my consciousness, I don't know,,,it's hard to seperate out the reality from the reflection. So here's the point. Ramtha teaches that we are masters and as such we should live like masters do...create our own realities, manifest fabulous wealth, bi-locate, live for hundreds of years, drink yourself under the table and not let it affect you, live with storehouses of food and supplies so that in case the world falls apart, you will have your sovereignity and on and on. But where's the love message in all this? He teaches that to become a master, you must achieve great heights of illumination and manifestation. And yet, all the great masters who have ever walked this earth, had one message...love your neighbor as yourself, not love your neighbor as a reflection of yourself. Personally, I feel that it's very easy for misery to creep into one's consciousness when one is told one is a master when one hasn't earned mastery. And we earn mastery when we sow seeds of love & compassion, when we bless & cherish the people around us, when we give to others from our storehouse of spiritual insight, understanding and earned wisdom. When we eat empty words it's like eating sawdust. Sure, it's filling but in the end, we're left malnourished, spiritually bankrupt and miserable. Last year in the RSE events, as I mentioned on an earlier posting, I achieved what I thought were spectacular paranormal results. But at the end of the day, they really did nothing for me that has any realy substantial spiritual value other than give me a chance to put another few medals on my chest of a lifetime of sporadic paranormal experiences. Calling ourselves and each others masters is a joke because that just does not make us masters. Mastery is not a goal. Mastery is the result of living a life of adding spiritual value to the one-ness, to the goodness, to the God-ness in which we all thrive as ebodied and expressed as the next person we come into contact with....and the one after that, and the one after that and so on. I appreciate this website and the the ability for us post here. I find that the words I write open the doors of consciuousness I need to experience. Because by practicing what I write, I am a happy camper. The key is to remember to practice loving and blessing the next person I meet more often than I remain obsorbed in myself and don't even notice the next person. Make sense? | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
in_the_zone, For my the first year of attending RSE in 1990 I cried almost everyday. I had abandoned my beautiful daughters, 7 and 9 Years old and a wife that loved me... We were “taught" that our pain and grief was a perfectly natural result of breaking the bonds of our limitation, that it was even a grand and necessary thing for a great “master” to do’ “The dark night of the Soul" was an excusing term.. We were “taught” that even our families were a hindrance to "enlightenment", And to use all means to bring the into the school. I went back to NZ with the intention of relocating my family to a 'safe" location and to dig an underground bunker..After all.. The world was about to collapse into anarchy and destruction. I returned to RSE to continue “The Great Work" Many of us “illegal”s" formed small communities.. With nicknames like "little Denmark" . I worked to myself to exhaustion building underground bunkers for the more wealthy “masters". The arrogance and mean spiritedness of the RSE staff was intolerable; this was excused as a necessary test of our resolve…. I could go on………………. Yes.. in_the_zone ..we came here for the goodness, for the God-ness, To learn of the mysteries of creation and the love of God… we “believed” we would learn healing and compassion. I truly “believed” that abandoning my children would benefit them in the long term..Yes I was a fanatic,..BUT. this is what we were taught.. JZ Knight continues to poison the wellspring of spirituality of anyone that falls for her clever rhetoric… “FactNet is not the cure but hopefully will serve to immunize others. For us to just remain silent is to be part of the problem… David. FACTNet’s name is an acronym that means Fight Against Coercive Tactics Network. We are composed of a global network of former cult members and professionals who assist victims of cults, mind control, psychological coercion and fundamentalism. FACTNet's mission is to protect the most universal and basic constitutional freedom, the single freedom that is an essential prerequisite to the meaningful exercise of all of our other freedoms --- freedom of mind! Factnet focuses on protecting freedom of mind from harms caused by all forms of mind control and unethical influence. (Message edited by David McCarthy on June 27, 2006) | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
"Creating JZ Knights Reality" Digging underground bunkers is still very much encouraged by RSE.. This is from a local "Masters Connection" newsletter...Issue 43 - June 28, 2006 The Survival Center. Information on Underground & Above Ground Shelters, Executive Retreats (Safe Areas), UnderGround/Above Ground Secure Data Storage Facilities, Backup Command Centers, Emergency Operations Centers, fuel, water, & liquid storage tanks above & below ground. Safe Rooms, Portable Safe Rooms, Smart Rooms. Custom units available. Please sign up for our free News-Alert for the latest news. Give our Shelter Department a call for your initial Free consultation: Perhaps a centre for those that have survived RSE would be more usefull.. David (Message edited by David McCarthy on June 29, 2006) | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
Back in the mid-1980s, I was in a few Ramtha/JZ audiences as they traveled the country and I got ahold of the Days to Come tapes. My friends and I would go up into the Berkshire Mountains camping and listen to those tapes all night long. Then I went to my first event in Yelm in 1991 and hated it and didn't return until 2005. Anyway, I could never understand the bunker mentality. I always thought, why not learn to bi-locate if one is being pressed in by hoards of people or why not share what I have with people even if it means my ultimate physical plane demise. Because in the end, what you get is equal to what you give. The Beatles knew it..."the love you get is equal to the love you give." Not rocket science for sure. I wrote a novel in 1998 about how Y2K unraveled modern society. It was a spiritual adventure story. It was never published but the ending of the story went like this: society had denigrated such that it was "every man for himself"...looting, violent crimes, chaos and barbarians were stepping in on the street level. No food morsel was safe. And yet amidst all this confusion and pain, across the etheric landscape (the story was narrated by an angel), one could see random acts of kindness occuring...the way you could see them was that each person who shared their meager resources with another immediately ascended into the plane of bliss like a poof of smoke. Here one minute, in bliss the next. | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
Back in the mid-1980s, I was in a few Ramtha/JZ audiences as they traveled the country and I got ahold of the Days to Come tapes. My friends and I would go up into the Berkshire Mountains camping and listen to those tapes all night long. Then I went to my first event in Yelm in 1991 and hated it and didn't return until 2005. Anyway, I could never understand the bunker mentality. I always thought, why not learn to bi-locate if one is being pressed in by hoards of people or why not share what I have with people even if it means my ultimate physical plane demise. Because in the end, what you get is equal to what you give. The Beatles knew it..."the love you get is equal to the love you give." Not rocket science for sure. I wrote a novel in 1998 about how Y2K unraveled modern society. It was a spiritual adventure story. It was never published but the ending of the story went like this: society had denigrated such that it was "every man for himself"...looting, violent crimes, chaos and barbarians were stepping in on the street level. No food morsel was safe. And yet amidst all this confusion and pain, across the etheric landscape (the story was narrated by an angel), one could see random acts of kindness occuring...the way you could see them was that each person who shared their meager resources with another immediately ascended into the plane of bliss like a poof of smoke. Here one minute, in bliss the next. | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 79 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
in_the_zone.. We were "taught"... The we were the preservable ones of nature, That nature itself had agreed to destroy millions of innocent lives So we humans would evolve.. That after the cleansing We “ masters” would emerge from our shelters.. and with the help of ‘Ramtha” and the Lemurians we would seed the new world.. It all sounded so noble at the time, But what such utter selfishness and arrogance.. How could we have all been so stupid? Such madness… Where for gods sake was the love and compassion? Buried under. Fear Fear Fear............. | ||
| tgarden100 New member Username: tgarden100 Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.143.117.153 |
Dear David, I have been reading all your posts for about a month and was deeply touched by your story and sad that you lost soooo much due to the path yo took with J. Z. & Gang. I used to have a friend that went to the school for about 7 years, I went through most of the beginner tapes with him about a 1 1/2 years ago. I had been attracted to alot of the tapes he exposed me to and have the white book, I felt like what I had heard was a lot of truth and maybe alot of it is, but something within held me back from diving in. I have been exposed to other teachings through fear such as Alcoholic Anonymous, and Cult like groups in the past and have no desire to be part of a group mentality. Long story short my friend is no longer my friend which is a long story maybe I'll post it in the near future, but I can say he was told my Ramtha that he was entering the dark night of the spirit and was told to leave school, his drinking escalated (prior A.A. membership) and he had a nervous breakdown. To this day he firmly believes everything he was taught in Ramtha's school, he talks the lingo, has books, tapes & pictures all over his house. The one thing I have noticed about the 3 people I have met who were part of Ramtha's school is that they associate with almost nobody out of fear they will be exposed too much to mainstream society and it will affect their reality when all they are really doing is cutting themselves off from a full life. It's sad thay I no longer have his friendship but i sometimes think I never really did since i have seen that he pretty much used the people around him until they no longer served a purpose. My question to you is this: Do you think Ramtha is a hoax or do you think there was some truth to J.Z. channeling him, or is there truth to some of the teachings regardless of J.Z./Ramtha?? Thanks, T. | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
yes, I recall now that the story about nature destroying lives, etc, was fostered upon me by those without meaningful lives in 1991 but it was just too weird for me to accept. I only found my way into the 1991 event because I happened to drop in on friends who were in RSE that I had known from the East Coast. They sort of goaded me into attending the event, in the dirt inside the arena. Anyway, now that you mention it, I do now recall those people being enamored with this goofy story about being the chosen ones that will survive the days ahead so that they could be the champions of evolution....some role models those would be, right? | ||
| david_mccarthy Member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.76 |
tgarden100, A direct question..great… For me the name Ramtha means deception. Doubts about the existence of Ramtha plagued me even during my 7 years as a student of RSE, It was like trying to quench an unquenchable thirst, and hoping that perhaps the next event would finally quench my thirst….. I became a spritualholic.. Dark chuckle.. Perhaps that is why so many students would rush to be at Ramtha’s feet? Little did I suspect that I was entering ever deeper into a spiritual des’ert. Yes there are some beautiful “truths” to be found but they are used as bait, much like the angler fish that uses light to lure it prey. JZ Knight is a spiritual predator. Yet to remove Ramtha from my life was like removing a splinter from my heart. My life has blossomed since I let go of enlightenment. Another chuckle.. in_the_zone.. Thank you for remembering. And sharing your stories, I am intrigued about your book.. David | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
I have found that enlightenment is too often a slogan that implies there is a pathway to happines/enlightenment if one simply follows the procedure for reaching it. I have also found that enlightenment already exists...I don't have to search for it. It's as close to me as my breath, in fact it is in my breath as well as every other feature and aspect of livingness. The pain of enlightenment is that it's not something to achieve and we want so desperately to achieve it...in fact, the more we chase it the more it eludes us. But there is a way, in my experience, that is satisfying to the soul and delivers on the promise of what enlightenment is purported to be. It is our jobs, if we elect to live up to the challenge, to cut a golden key that will unlock the lock that keeps happiness & peace in the soul hidden from us (personally, I think happiness & peace in the soul is enlightenment). The irony is that it is we who created the lock and each of us is the sole proprietor of how to cut the key that we slide into the lock that frees us. So we manufacture a lock that keeps us in pain, seperate from others, seperate from the flow of Grace. We pretend that the lock was placed there by someone else, or circumstances, or social consciousness or religious consciousness. The fact is we made the key and only we know how to cut the ridges in the key that when slipped into the lock will free us. No pathway to enlightenment can cut the key. Each lock is different. Each key is different. For 6 billion people on the planet, there are 6 billion locks and 6 billion potential keys and none are the same. You might not want to give up on whatever enlightenment means to you, David, because from what I can gather by reading your posts, your thirst for your freedom has not gone away...maybe you've just been trying to use someone else's key to open your lock. It's very ironic, too. Because the key and the lock are guardians. The lock guards us from accepting someone's slogan as our truth. It keeps our secret safe. And the key guards our truth until we have enough temerity to cut the pattern in the edge of the key that will bring us home to ourselves. It's a bit daunting to put this into words because the lock and the key are two sides of the same coin. It's like trying to see your self image by looking in a mirror. You can see yourself and your self image but it's hard to know where one begins and the other leaves off. | ||
| in_the_zone New member Username: in_the_zone Post Number: 14 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.56.236.247 |
this is from an excerpt on the website www.adyashanti.org "Do not think that enlightenment is going to make you special, it's not. If you feel special in any way, then enlightenment has not occurred. I meet a lot of people who think they are enlightened and awake simply because they have had a very moving spiritual experience. They wear their enlightenment on their sleeve like a badge of honor. They sit among friends and talk about how awake they are while sipping coffee at a cafe. The funny thing about enlightenment is that when it is authentic, there is no one to claim it. Enlightenment is very ordinary; it is nothing special. Rather than making you more special, it is going to make you less special. It plants you right in the center of a wonderful humility and innocence. Everyone else may or may not call you enlightened, but when you are enlightened the whole notion of enlightenment and someone who is enlightened is a big joke. I use the word enlightenment all the time; not to point you toward it but to point you beyond it. Do not get stuck in enlightenment." | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 113 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Not getting caught in the trappings of "enlightenment", or "psychic gifts", etc., is something worthy of consideration. As mentioned, these trappings are to be recognized, but transcended. Not something to be caught into the snares of. Just as there are material trappings, which in my opinion, Own Ms. Knight - there are alsp spiritual trappings, for those on the path. No time now to address other posts. Soon, I hope. Can barely keep up with reading posts/emails right now. | ||
| whatchamacallit Intermediate Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 114 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 71.235.182.97 |
Not getting caught in the trappings of "enlightenment", or "psychic gifts", etc., is something worthy of consideration. As mentioned, these trappings are to be recognized, but transcended. Not something to be caught into the snares of. Just as there are material trappings, which in my opinion, Own Ms. Knight - there are alsp spiritual trappings, for those on the path. No time now to address other posts. Soon, I hope. Can barely keep up with reading posts/emails right now. |
