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teigh
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Username: teigh
Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 72.139.26.252
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 10:23 pm: | 
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Hi all,
I'm new to the board here and I love the fact I finally found some critical remarks about Ramtha. I have just started reading into RSE and am slowing reading everything on the boards.
I'm not a "DaVinci Code" kind of person thinking that there is alot of hidden messages in things, however, I started thinking about what JZ/Ramtha could actually be. Was she really channeling "something" that may be malevolent? Is it an act? If she was molested growing up, could she have developed multiple personality (I actually know someone in real life who developed multiple personalities because of that)? Or is she just a loose cannon?
I began to put myself in her shoes roughly... Its 1977.. If I were looking to create something or if I were on the edge of mental collapse, what kind of things could make me create something as crazy as a spirit named Ramtha? Where would she get such a name?
I first noticed something earlier in the day... Ramtha is an anagram of Martha. Ya ya... no DaVinci... but I had to wonder if maybe it was someone in her past... I noticed it was not her mother's name.
The idea still stuck with me today. I had copied her real name for a search and decided to play around with anagrams... What I found was a little wierd. What do you think?
Judith Darlene Hampton
Doesn't it seem strange that Ramtha is spelled out in her name in two syllables just in the wrong order? tha ram
I know I can't get Ramtha out of my name. ;)
Maybe what she really did at her kitchen table back in 77 was come up with a fancy name while doodling.
Yes, we could get into probabilities... (21 x 5 x 21) is the possible combinations of a consonant, vowel, consonant...etc... but I wasn't looking to get scientific. I was trying to figure out the mind of a mental person.
As I said, I"m not much for taking things from letters and numbers... but this does seem strange. |
david_mccarthy
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Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 67
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 216.227.117.76
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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teigh...............
Thats great,
There are many former students in Yelm that feel intimidated by "Ramtha",
some have personally told me they appreciate this forum.
Fear masked as enlightenment is very common in most cults and once infected it is very difficult to clean it out.
People like JZ are extremely clever, they have honed a unique kind of deception to prey upon the spiritual aspects of humanity..
Your voice will help lessen the hurt and betrayal to the spiritual community.
Welcome..........
David |
whatchamacallit
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Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 89
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 9:30 pm: |
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teigh,
it is very curious about the letters in judith's name, containing the letters for Ramtha's name.
glad you are reading through the boards. there is a lot of information to consider. having 17 years of rse experiences, in school, out of school, ... lots of things i've seen and heard ... i know that for all of the information that is posted on this website folder, there is even more that isn't posted.
as david said, there is a fear factor for some people, who want to talk about their comments, questions, concerns and experiences - but they don't. maybe they'll have a change of heart.
i read these boards for a full year before posting.
suggestion: be wary of giving your power away to anyone, any group, or any thing. it is within you, as mystics have been saying for thousands of years. it's certainly not a "new age" concept.
rse teaches that god is within you, and you can do anything. yet, plenty of students will attribute their "success" in the disciplines or manifesations in life, to the teacher, or the teachings. it was in them all along, and it's a potential trap and hook, to think one needs anything outside of themselves to continue to evolve. there are many people in the school, 20 year students, who to this day, do not have mastery of the disciplines. all of those people are not victims, they are not insincere, they are dedicated to their evolution.
the fact is, the teachings do not consistently work. some believe they don't work at all. when they do seem to work, there really is no proof that the causative factor was the teachings.
even if the teachings did work - it isn't a justification for the conditions connected with being a student in that unaccredited "school". an issue of accountability seems to have been glossed over and justified by certain people. others of us, simply choose not to support the school, with its current/past business structure.
so we don't. |
in_the_zone
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Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 4
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 71.56.236.247
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:22 pm: |
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as regards the teachings working or not (or any teachings and any disciplines)and as regards long-time students being afraid to speak up or even leave rse - you can take an individual out of an institution but if you can't take the institution out of the individual, that person is a by-stander of their own lives.
in these days of a media-controlled and corporate-controlled facade of what life is all about, one's consciousness can easily be infected with an institutional self-image and when that happens, a person is just a mere image.
in order for the rse disciplines or any other disciplines "to work", one must move into one's raw self wherein is located the oozing soul, dripping with potential...it's not packaged neatly, it's impervious to the institutional image and it's the fertile ground where you plant your seeds of greatness and then nurture them into manifestation. anything short of this type of effort is just watching the institutional parade march by and counting the days to the release from your pain of not becoming anything of any real value or substance. |
in_the_zone
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Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 5
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 71.56.236.247
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:37 pm: |
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as regards the teachings working or not (or any teachings and any disciplines)and as regards long-time students being afraid to speak up or even leave rse - you can take an individual out of an institution but if you can't take the institution out of the individual, that person is a by-stander of their own lives.
in these days of a media-controlled and corporate-controlled facade of what life is all about, one's consciousness can easily be infected with an institutional self-image and when that happens, a person is just a mere image.
in order for the rse disciplines or any other disciplines "to work", one must move into one's raw self wherein is located the oozing soul, dripping with potential...it's not packaged neatly, it's impervious to the institutional image and it's the fertile ground where you plant your seeds of greatness and then nurture them into manifestation. anything short of this type of effort is just watching the institutional parade march by and counting the days to the release from your pain of not becoming anything of any real value or substance. |
whatchamacallit
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Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 91
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 8:00 am: |
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>>>>as regards the teachings working or not (or any teachings and any disciplines)and as regards long-time students being afraid to speak up or even leave rse - you can take an individual out of an institution but if you can't take the institution out of the individual, that person is a by-stander of their own lives.<<<<
........ I agree with the concept of what you are saying about the "institution" remaining in people, to where they are a by-stander of their own lives. However, I would also add that the theory behind people speaking up because as sovereign beings, they have the right to do that, and the reality of what has happened to some of them for doing so, is another matter. It's a matter of reality. Before generalizing, and subsequently risking pigeon-holing everyone, it might be wise to find out about the REASONS so many people are afraid to speak out. I know some of those reasons, and they are more than just red flags. People have been harassed, threatened, etc. They have families to feed. These are people that believed the teachings, and sincerely implemented them. People who tried to get their beloved families to join the school - dedicated students. Part of the teaching is the same as religion - students are told to recruit.
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>>>>>in these days of a media-controlled and corporate-controlled facade of what life is all about, one's consciousness can easily be infected with an institutional self-image and when that happens, a person is just a mere image.<<<<<
I agree with that concept, also. I also think that to some degree we are ALL affected. It takes constant diligence to look at one's own boundaries (thoughts), and what is imposed from without. What you refer to as a "mere image", is called the walking dead in the teachings. Yet, within the school, there is ALSO a "social consciousness" of what life is all about. "Ramtha" has even addressed this. In that regard, there are many "mere images" in the school, as well as outside of it. Some might call them "fanatics". "Ramtha" has addressed that, also. One quick example of seeing it, is the mindless way in which most of the students (not all), will raise their hands in agreement with something "Ramtha" says. Sometimes the sentence isn't even finished, and up go the hands. It's interesting to step back from that, and observe it. It also takes courage NOT to raise one's hand. Those who do, especially who sit in the front, may (and have) received ridicule for it. Free thinking minds are really NOT allowed there. That is ONE example.
>>>>in order for the rse disciplines or any other disciplines "to work", one must move into one's raw self wherein is located the oozing soul, dripping with potential...it's not packaged neatly, it's impervious to the institutional image and it's the fertile ground where you plant your seeds of greatness and then nurture them into manifestation. anything short of this type of effort is just watching the institutional parade march by and counting the days to the release from your pain of not becoming anything of any real value or substance.<<<<<<
Thank you for sharing your philosophy. How do you relate the factor of TIME to what you wrote, above ? |
in_the_zone
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Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 6
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 71.56.236.247
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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just like when you get your card at the fence, you are in time-less-ness...the same is true with what I mentioned above. |
whatchamacallit
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Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 92
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 1:46 pm: |
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The philosophy states that when you find your card on the fence (which I have done many times), you are in a place of no-time - the Void.
That may or may not be true. We choose to believe the philosophy or not.
What I was getting at, is if a person has complete mastery of TIME (christ consciousness), then they could manifest (for example), bread out of the ethers in a moment. NOBODY in the school has done that - even after at least 20 years of dedicated study and focus with their disciplines.
I understand the concept of getting to a place of timelessness. Not just because of the teachings at RSE, but because they are also taught, and have been for many years, by mystics throughout history. Eastern religions still teach that, as I would assume you know.
Finding the card, however, is not the same thing as having mastered time in the manner that manifests the intent of the card, in this realm. "Ramtha" has even addressed this topic. "He" has even said that there are some things we can focus on for this entire lifetime and we will NOT get them. Gee, why wasn't this taught at the inception of the school. I know that the "rules" change ... like the wind.
My point here, is my concern for blindly following a PHILOSOPHY. I know, I know, the teachings will propose to students that when you experience it, it's no longer philosophy. Finding a card on the field is not the manifestation. It's the two dimensional (card) representation of it. That's a far cry from mastering time and forming a thought, and in an instant, having it materialize right in front of you.
So, yes, you can plant a dream, a desire, a focused intent, on a manifestation. And you may, or may not, get it.
It is NOT parallel to one's effort. That, in my opinion, is a false and misleading assumption. However, it is certainly one you are free to hold!
As I stated above, that very topic has recently been addressed, saying there are things we will NOT get, no matter HOW MUCH WE FOCUS ON THEM. The rules have changed. |
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